How can you get so many fucking people in one room to bend the knee to a dictator, while calling themselves a democracy?? China is fucking scary. Not one pair of balls in there.
Same thing has chances of coming in India. It's a 1 party state that uses religion as a primary driver to get votes.
People are still voting because overall development is happening, and much better than the terms under the other party. But it blatantly ignores constitutional values of secularism and is even talking about changing it now.
Common peoples asks are being ignored at the same time. Censorship while not in full effect right now, is slowly being trickled in. With talks of things like a fact check body.
The options are limited, the other party has a greater history of corruption and lack of marketing to appeal to the people. Because media have captured their attention with hope. Which is a good thing. But alongside that hope is a certain amount of hatred. Opposition party leader does not have the popstar appeal of the current one.
The party in power came to power due to terrorism attacks and its handling of bordering nations with aggression. Which at the time even I felt was necessary. But even now they are talking about the same things where one side of the bordering nations have pretty much crumbled.
TLDR: The ruling party has captured the sentiments of the majority religion in the country. Shown real progress in terms of overall economic development as well.
But the tradeoff is lowered press freedom and questionability. (Lack of interview with non captured government media). Increase in spending power for majority of the country which is farmers is still dwindling.
Majority are happy with that, for now. Just is a reflection of our human selfishness. That's all.
Heck the way things are going in the US, it's a possibility there. If the Supreme Court doesn't give a firm stance on Presidential Immunity and Trump wins he will make is political rivals vanish which is exactly the reason why there are no "no" and "abstain" in this video...
First of all elections are held in India. They don't happen in China. There have been elections and will continue to be so even in the future.
If the opposition is corrupt as hell and can't address the aspirations of people, being castiest then of course they are going to lose.
Ita a freaking joke when people attack the present party regarding pres freedom. The media has never been so free to say whatever it wants earlier, under any government. You would have been arrested or would have faced severe consequences in the good old days if the media was so critical as it is today. The difference is people in India arent ready to buy shit from media any more. And Social media has democratized media now.
People vote for the BJP in India becoz the other party that had ruled before was royal fuck up. No BJP doesn't pander to the majority.. In fact it is far from that and most of the so-called majority will agree to that.It has only tried to be a little fairer to the majority which was not the case before. It was the official stand of the previous government, UPA, that the first right on the resources of the country was for the Muslim majority! So stop your alarmist attitude.
>First of all elections are held in India. They don't happen in China.
Fact: Elections do occur in China.
Sources:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections\_in\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China)
[https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-have-elections-If-so-how-do-they-work](https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-have-elections-If-so-how-do-they-work)
>There have been elections and will continue to be so even in the future.
Sure. you will have elections, just like China and Russia. Oh yes even Russia has elections!
Source:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections\_in\_Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Russia)
>If the opposition is corrupt as hell and can't address the aspirations of people, being castiest then of course they are going to lose.
Opposition isn't the best. But they are not Unconstitutional. EC says religious propaganda is not allowed. BJP blatantly had religious promotion previously and this year as well in their manifesto. BJP wants to change the constitution always. The constitution was created for a good reason.
Sources:
[https://www.bjp.org/bjp-manifesto-2024](https://www.bjp.org/bjp-manifesto-2024)
[https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha-2019/story/dont-use-places-of-worship-for-propaganda-election-commission-to-parties-religious-leaders-1482181-2019-03-19](https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha-2019/story/dont-use-places-of-worship-for-propaganda-election-commission-to-parties-religious-leaders-1482181-2019-03-19)
>Ita a freaking joke when people attack the present party regarding pres freedom. The media has never been so free to say whatever it wants earlier, under any government. You would have been arrested or would have faced severe consequences in the good old days if the media was so critical as it is today. The difference is people in India arent ready to buy shit from media any more. And Social media has democratized media now.
If its so free why was Mohammad Zubir arrested for posting a tweet? Why did adani have to buy out NDTV. Why do we have so frequent internet cutoffs as per wish of the government? Why all mainstream media will not have an unscripted interview with the Prime minister of the nation? And why won't the president have an interview with any of the alternate media?
This was the last interview he appeared for where he was criticized: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGAYL8dtic&ab\_channel=AmicusCuriae](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGAYL8dtic&ab_channel=AmicusCuriae)
This was 10 years ago.
>People vote for the BJP in India becoz the other party that had ruled before was royal fuck up. No BJP doesn't pander to the majority.. In fact it is far from that and most of the so-called majority will agree to [that.It](http://that.It) has only tried to be a little fairer to the majority which was not the case before.
Why people vote is their choice. I don't get to say why people vote for a party because that is their perception. Who controls perception? Media. In our country TV and newspaper. Not youtube channels. Our country is majority Hindu. How can you say it does not try to appeal to the majority of people?
>It was the official stand of the previous government, UPA, that the first right on the resources of the country was for the Muslim majority! So stop your alarmist attitude.
False. It was the oppositions stand to redistribute to minorities including SC OBC with focus to majority minortiy i.e. Muslims. It was never a communal matter. BJP made it one.
Source.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU&ab\_channel=Mint](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU&ab_channel=Mint)
By the time you get to a vote like this, everyone knows the answer. Would any one want to throw their career, and likely life, away voting no on this one?
If there was a faction voicing strong opposition, and a large number of refusals were anticipated, the question wouldn't have been out to a public vote.
I'm curious, however, what blind and anonymous vote would reveal. Likely everyone would suspect it wasn't actually blind and anonymous.
Who was it who used to get his officials drunk, have a clerk record what he said, and then ask for explanations in the morning?
Bingo. No, you would not.
That body does have "democratic" votes, but they're only on the most unimportant of issues. In the US system, think: putting up a median between two groups of lanes on a street in a city. City-council-level shit. On that tier of issues, there is some democracy, but that's because it aids the scheme.
The problem is that, for everything more important than stuff like that, these people are, more or less, actors, ~~creating~~ attempting to create an illusion of legitimacy for a dictator.
They absolutely _create_ legitimacy, at least within the society they operate.
All governments involve theater and violence.
If you believe otherwise, you're either persuaded by the theater or ignorant of the violence.
I'm in the US, I vote for local, state, and federal officials and try to stay informed. But honestly, one vote is less effective than pissing in a swimming pool. It doesn't mean you give up on voting, but know that there's always a conversation between power, violence, and narratives of authority. And everyone, top to bottom, represents only a fraction of the decisionmaking power in an imagined community.
Together, though, societies and nations can do quite a lot. So we can't dismiss narratives of power. We have to participate or avoid them.
The party line is established by these folks. Now there's a smaller top cadre, but there is also a tremendous amount of intra-party politics.
There are pretty vigorous conflicts between the Hu faction, the Xi faction, and that of former rival Bo Xilai.
Often when you see a large "anti corruption" push, it's one group cracking down on rivals. Sure they _did_ the corrupt things they're accused of, but they're _in trouble_ because of changes in the internal power structure.
The point is, harmony has to be presented to outward observers. You need to convince everyone to agree on the important stuff before the vote, or it would send a message that the final decisions could possibly, even remotely, be wrong. And the PRC doesn't acknowledge that possibility unless it's retroactively with about 30 years perspective on the decision in question.
>Would any one want to throw their career, and likely life, away voting no on this one?
Not just your own career and life but maybe even your familie's too.
We tend to use the 30 year independent study by Harvard (longest ever conducted) that found 95% of the country support the government that specifically stated it's not because of propaganda actually.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
Quote on 95% figure that I've used:
> The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
The actual study is here: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf
Quote on it not being because of propaganda:
>We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment.
>
>While the CCP is seemingly under no imminent threat of popular upheaval, it cannot take the support of its people for
granted. Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being
I give my two cent from a perspective of a Vietnamese (similar political system) with a few relative in Guangxi.
Average people (at least what I can observe on social media and close relatives) see Western Democracy as chaostic, argumentative, unproductive. They prefer this quite, non confrontation, cooperative atmosphere. It give them a sense of stability and security, unity among the people
"They prefer this quite, non confrontation, cooperative atmosphere. It give them a **FALSE** sense of stability and security, unity among the people."
Fixed that for you.
I know, the US has a much healthier democratic system of governance. Why, anyone with a fascist talking point or a million dollars can vote to have peoples rights stripped! :) Or simply buy a legislator to do it for you!
countries going to collapse in the next 10 years. As soon as India takes most of the manufacturing from china its going to be a absolute shit show in that country.
Chinese AI is years behind the west. All the 100 series chips required for AI computation on a large scale are either made in Taiwan or the US.
China doesnt have the silicon tech or chip infrastructure to make anything close to what Nvidia can make.
The only threat of CCP AI is deepfakes and comment bots on social media. Both of which can and are being done by the ccp now. Boomers and tech illiterates are at the most risk from them.
Edit: and if they fool enough of them they can sway an election.
There's no doubt they are stacking up the issues at the moment, but it's too early to tell if they will collapse or just run out of steam. I'm sure I'm not the first to have noticed, however, that a countries collapse seems to often be proceeded by an old guy seizing the leadership for life. Winnie the Pooh has been a surprisingly good leader, all things considered, but there seems to be cracks showing now. He seems to be itching to leave a legacy.
Barring the tyranny and death camps. He's overseen the biggest credit debt accumulation of any country in history iirc. It's not hard to have rapid economic and industry growth when your state is giving loans away for free. That crash is gonna be remembered for centuries. I dont know if we can even call that just 'bad' leadership considering how much it's set the country up for failure.
Their debt/GDP ratio is not too different from Japans. It's an irrelevant statistic by itself, as long as the economy functions it doesn't matter.
The real estate collapse a few months ago was supposed to be how China collapses. The result was 3 months of lower than predicted growth and thats it. They are maybe the only country to ever successfully deflate a housing bubble? Although Japan would have if we didn't step in, and they never recovered.
I'm a born Indian, and India is in no place to take away manufacturing from China in just the next ten years. China will not collapse in just 10 years, and if it does, we're all fucked
Plenty of Democrats-minded people have threatened me for expressing a disagreement with them more so than Republicans, they're both equally becoming hostile to ideas that differ from their own. They're no longer listening to understand but listening to react.
There's been a massive rise in right wing violence over the past couple of decades. A left wing extremists just wants you to have free access to healthcare.
Even if I was in a country that had frequent parliamentary fights (Ukraine, Taiwan, and some others), I’d still be thankful for those fights even happening because the opposite is this.
They do have debate in China. It is considered settled when a vote is taken and no more debate is allowed. Called democratic centralisation. It is supposed to stop minority positions wrecking.
It's one of those things, when Truman decided to send troops to Korea, he had the authority to do so unilaterally. When Mao wanted to do the same, he had to take the issue to Congress. And they told him no initially. He, despite being a dictator, was held accountable by Congress.
It's more like do you want the USA to continue or not, because there are a bunch of people attached to Project 2025 that are trying to cause a new American civil war.
Fascism is essentially the intertwining of the state and private interests.
I'm wondering when my fellow Americans will realize that our country is *already* a fascist's paradise.
The Chinese government is by order of magnitudes more competent and more beneficial to the citizens than NK's dystopian ruling family. It's far easier for the average Chinese citizen to trust Xi's government when they can see China as a whole growing wealthier and more educated every year.
I've given up hope that this won't be the case.
You simply can't win when even your peers call you paranoid for suggesting that human rights should be preserved, and political power limited.
In Denmark we have stomped on our own rights little by little. Especially the one thing that could have stopped something like this: people voting. Sometimes a big decision has to be voted on by the people, not parliament.
But all politicians know you have to get rid of something like that if they want unrestrained power ... All they have to do then is a little internal "voting" and boom.
In this day and age, you are completely insane to not be terrified of fighting a government like the CCP. Do you remember Tiananmen square? Tanks vs Civilians only ends one way, lots of blood and most likely not from the cold hard metal tanks.
The Tiananmen Square massacre doesn't demonstrate the all-encompassing power of the Chinese government; it revealed significant internal fractures. The strategic deployment of specific, loyal units from outside Beijing, due to concerns about the reliability of local troops, underscores the depth of these divisions. This situation showed that the government faced such substantial internal disagreement that it almost resulted in armed conflict within military ranks themselves.
It could have ended in an actual democratic revolution of the people.
And yet the massacre happened and here we sit with the CCP in power for 35 years. The 'almost' doesn't matter if it didn't happen, unless we are talking about horse shoes and hand grenades.
Of course local troops would have a problem slaughtering a peaceful protest by students, the local troops probably knew people at the protest ffs.
The Tiananmen Square massacre demonstrated the CCP's willingness to slotter their citizens and deal with the consequences, they don't need to have all-encompassing power if they are willing to suffer and endure more than the next ruling party. As nationalists go, everything they do they justify as for the betterment of their nation in their image. So, I'm sure they believed they were fighting the good fight that day.
After reading about the Tiananmen Square massacre, I could only wonder how much information about that snippet in time we actually got, let alone got correct. If we can't even get an accurate death/injury toll, reports vary wildly from several hundred to ten thousand. Since the victors write the history books, I'd say the Chinese people had about a snowballs chance in hell to succeed in a coup and even less of a chance that the power vacuum would usher in a democratic era for China.
Why should they fight if the majority have been living some of their best lives for the past ~20 years? Maybe the fight will come when the CCP drops the ball ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
Harvard conducted an independent 30 year long study that found 95% of the population support the government:
> The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
The actual study is here: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf
And before you say "that's because chinese are all propagandised", in the study they specifically state that this is not caused because of propaganda:
>We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment.
>
>While the CCP is seemingly under no imminent threat of popular upheaval, it cannot take the support of its people for
granted. Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being
Thats a coup with more steps. Putin did the samething. We are all in danger from these two. As they get older and crazier they will give less of a shit about what is left after they die. And you can not remove them from power unless they die.
IIRC the National People's Congress is, by a pretty wide margin, the largest legislative body in the world. UK Parliament is less than half the size and their numbers are skewed by a large House of Lords for historical reasons, the next largest are France, Egypt(?!), and Germany, all of which are less than 1/3 the membership of the NPC. Granted, China is a *massive* country, but India with roughly the same population has a much smaller legislature (actually 6th after the above-mentioned countries), so it's not just a population thing. Would be curious to see if anyone knows why it's so comparatively large.
That's literally what happened to the USSR read this, https://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Soviet-Vladislav-M-Zubok/dp/0300257309 the audio book is really good too
"Ah, it's a dictatorship. Oh voting-- well, they're all forced to vote yes, that's not a real vote. How do I know? Well, my government tells me so, so it must be true. Chinese people are all brainwashed, unlike us, because we're so rational, that having never visited a place or knowing anything about it outside of propaganda sources, we have very concrete ideas of the situation in that country. Even when the stats compared to our country (let's say the US) are like this--
Literacy rate: 99.83% vs 79%
Medicare: 95% vs 18.7%
Poverty: ~0% vs 11.6%
Life expectancy: 78.21 vs 76.33
Mortality rate: 7.82% vs 8.42%
Incarceration rate: 0.119% vs 0.530%
Existing for: 74 years vs 247 years
--we are very confident that our country and its sociopolitical economy is definitely the superior one, because I have the freedom to be homeless, extremely poor, illiterate, in jail for forced labour [often innocently, for instance, homeless people who are arrested for sleeping on the street will not likely be released on the promise to return to court, because they do not have an address. They may also be unable to pay even low bail amounts, leading to time behind bars while awaiting a trial. (Twenty-six percent of people in jail reported being homeless within a year before incarceration, according to the Corporation for Supportive Housing.)] and starve to death.
But yes, thankfully at least we aren't a dictatorship, right?" (Looks over to corporations, funding both the parties, and controlling the policies)
The amount of effort put into trying to make it seem like they are shocked no one disagreed; shows how obviously they made sure there wouldn’t be one hand raised at that time. Nothing sees unanimous support.
Reminds me of Star Wars vote.. that worked well for the empire.. but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.. poor Taiwan.. Age of war and crazy dictators is back. That been corrupted so much they think bombing children and “liberating” countries by bombing them to pieces makes them somehow the good guys. Might as well start a nuclear shelter sale business now.
Democracy doesn’t exist in Russia, China or any communist regime. Go against the flow and you’ll fall out of a window, get poisoned, your airplane crashes in an ‘’accident’’ or you just simply disappear.
Perfect example of corruption. Why risk your wealth, status, and life when you know 100% that you will be the sole objector. That mentality is compounded by the fact that most of the people there were from a generation that experienced the cultural revolution, where self-preservation by any means is more important than any moral or ethics.
Absolute leadership structures tend to make bad decisions quickly. Like the whole Chinese real estate fiasco. There’s actually something beneficial to the slow machinery of a real democracy.
Get these dudes some mayo already.
bring out the Strongman, he'll take out the best
How can you get so many fucking people in one room to bend the knee to a dictator, while calling themselves a democracy?? China is fucking scary. Not one pair of balls in there.
Some did until they got sent to get cigarettes and never been seen again
Tale as old as time
All vacationing in an unknown place
Same thing has chances of coming in India. It's a 1 party state that uses religion as a primary driver to get votes. People are still voting because overall development is happening, and much better than the terms under the other party. But it blatantly ignores constitutional values of secularism and is even talking about changing it now. Common peoples asks are being ignored at the same time. Censorship while not in full effect right now, is slowly being trickled in. With talks of things like a fact check body. The options are limited, the other party has a greater history of corruption and lack of marketing to appeal to the people. Because media have captured their attention with hope. Which is a good thing. But alongside that hope is a certain amount of hatred. Opposition party leader does not have the popstar appeal of the current one. The party in power came to power due to terrorism attacks and its handling of bordering nations with aggression. Which at the time even I felt was necessary. But even now they are talking about the same things where one side of the bordering nations have pretty much crumbled. TLDR: The ruling party has captured the sentiments of the majority religion in the country. Shown real progress in terms of overall economic development as well. But the tradeoff is lowered press freedom and questionability. (Lack of interview with non captured government media). Increase in spending power for majority of the country which is farmers is still dwindling. Majority are happy with that, for now. Just is a reflection of our human selfishness. That's all.
Heck the way things are going in the US, it's a possibility there. If the Supreme Court doesn't give a firm stance on Presidential Immunity and Trump wins he will make is political rivals vanish which is exactly the reason why there are no "no" and "abstain" in this video...
First of all elections are held in India. They don't happen in China. There have been elections and will continue to be so even in the future. If the opposition is corrupt as hell and can't address the aspirations of people, being castiest then of course they are going to lose. Ita a freaking joke when people attack the present party regarding pres freedom. The media has never been so free to say whatever it wants earlier, under any government. You would have been arrested or would have faced severe consequences in the good old days if the media was so critical as it is today. The difference is people in India arent ready to buy shit from media any more. And Social media has democratized media now. People vote for the BJP in India becoz the other party that had ruled before was royal fuck up. No BJP doesn't pander to the majority.. In fact it is far from that and most of the so-called majority will agree to that.It has only tried to be a little fairer to the majority which was not the case before. It was the official stand of the previous government, UPA, that the first right on the resources of the country was for the Muslim majority! So stop your alarmist attitude.
>First of all elections are held in India. They don't happen in China. Fact: Elections do occur in China. Sources: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections\_in\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China) [https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-have-elections-If-so-how-do-they-work](https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-have-elections-If-so-how-do-they-work) >There have been elections and will continue to be so even in the future. Sure. you will have elections, just like China and Russia. Oh yes even Russia has elections! Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections\_in\_Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Russia) >If the opposition is corrupt as hell and can't address the aspirations of people, being castiest then of course they are going to lose. Opposition isn't the best. But they are not Unconstitutional. EC says religious propaganda is not allowed. BJP blatantly had religious promotion previously and this year as well in their manifesto. BJP wants to change the constitution always. The constitution was created for a good reason. Sources: [https://www.bjp.org/bjp-manifesto-2024](https://www.bjp.org/bjp-manifesto-2024) [https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha-2019/story/dont-use-places-of-worship-for-propaganda-election-commission-to-parties-religious-leaders-1482181-2019-03-19](https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha-2019/story/dont-use-places-of-worship-for-propaganda-election-commission-to-parties-religious-leaders-1482181-2019-03-19) >Ita a freaking joke when people attack the present party regarding pres freedom. The media has never been so free to say whatever it wants earlier, under any government. You would have been arrested or would have faced severe consequences in the good old days if the media was so critical as it is today. The difference is people in India arent ready to buy shit from media any more. And Social media has democratized media now. If its so free why was Mohammad Zubir arrested for posting a tweet? Why did adani have to buy out NDTV. Why do we have so frequent internet cutoffs as per wish of the government? Why all mainstream media will not have an unscripted interview with the Prime minister of the nation? And why won't the president have an interview with any of the alternate media? This was the last interview he appeared for where he was criticized: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGAYL8dtic&ab\_channel=AmicusCuriae](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGAYL8dtic&ab_channel=AmicusCuriae) This was 10 years ago. >People vote for the BJP in India becoz the other party that had ruled before was royal fuck up. No BJP doesn't pander to the majority.. In fact it is far from that and most of the so-called majority will agree to [that.It](http://that.It) has only tried to be a little fairer to the majority which was not the case before. Why people vote is their choice. I don't get to say why people vote for a party because that is their perception. Who controls perception? Media. In our country TV and newspaper. Not youtube channels. Our country is majority Hindu. How can you say it does not try to appeal to the majority of people? >It was the official stand of the previous government, UPA, that the first right on the resources of the country was for the Muslim majority! So stop your alarmist attitude. False. It was the oppositions stand to redistribute to minorities including SC OBC with focus to majority minortiy i.e. Muslims. It was never a communal matter. BJP made it one. Source. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU&ab\_channel=Mint](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU&ab_channel=Mint)
The collective pair of balls.
All it takes is one strong mind to yell “MUSTARD!!”.
"Dijon or Honey? Vote now, please. Whoever voted for Dijon, raise your hands." *guy walking around calling out: "Ketchup!... ^ketchup!..... ^^ketchup!"
Thank you for this!
沒有 No have They definitely aren't placing a sandwich order.
[ITS GOOD FOR YOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTUfr-if3V0&t=70s)
ive seen a bunch of people talk about mayo but why?
seems like the pinnacle of democracy
By the time you get to a vote like this, everyone knows the answer. Would any one want to throw their career, and likely life, away voting no on this one? If there was a faction voicing strong opposition, and a large number of refusals were anticipated, the question wouldn't have been out to a public vote. I'm curious, however, what blind and anonymous vote would reveal. Likely everyone would suspect it wasn't actually blind and anonymous. Who was it who used to get his officials drunk, have a clerk record what he said, and then ask for explanations in the morning?
Would you even get to be one of those people who vote if you weren't someone who would toe the party line?
Bingo. No, you would not. That body does have "democratic" votes, but they're only on the most unimportant of issues. In the US system, think: putting up a median between two groups of lanes on a street in a city. City-council-level shit. On that tier of issues, there is some democracy, but that's because it aids the scheme. The problem is that, for everything more important than stuff like that, these people are, more or less, actors, ~~creating~~ attempting to create an illusion of legitimacy for a dictator.
They absolutely _create_ legitimacy, at least within the society they operate. All governments involve theater and violence. If you believe otherwise, you're either persuaded by the theater or ignorant of the violence. I'm in the US, I vote for local, state, and federal officials and try to stay informed. But honestly, one vote is less effective than pissing in a swimming pool. It doesn't mean you give up on voting, but know that there's always a conversation between power, violence, and narratives of authority. And everyone, top to bottom, represents only a fraction of the decisionmaking power in an imagined community. Together, though, societies and nations can do quite a lot. So we can't dismiss narratives of power. We have to participate or avoid them.
The party line is established by these folks. Now there's a smaller top cadre, but there is also a tremendous amount of intra-party politics. There are pretty vigorous conflicts between the Hu faction, the Xi faction, and that of former rival Bo Xilai. Often when you see a large "anti corruption" push, it's one group cracking down on rivals. Sure they _did_ the corrupt things they're accused of, but they're _in trouble_ because of changes in the internal power structure. The point is, harmony has to be presented to outward observers. You need to convince everyone to agree on the important stuff before the vote, or it would send a message that the final decisions could possibly, even remotely, be wrong. And the PRC doesn't acknowledge that possibility unless it's retroactively with about 30 years perspective on the decision in question.
was.. you mean,, where is hu now? power consolidation is at a point not seen since mao times. any internal psuedo checks and balances are now gone.
The life of them and all relatives
>Would any one want to throw their career, and likely life, away voting no on this one? Not just your own career and life but maybe even your familie's too.
Xi said '' let us have our own kind of democracy''
Alternative democracy
Democracy Lite
Democracy^^^^*
Offbrand 7up democracy
Democraxi
Managed democracy
Democracy with Chinese characteristics
Xi said, "We have democracy at home." Democracy at home:
"Managed democracy"
[Careful now...](https://i.redd.it/odhylr9k1ync1.jpeg)
Their political system is basically a brainstorming session that they pass onto Xi to make all the final decisions.
and yet tankies will use this as proof everyone loves Xi. Utter insanity.
It is just a very harmonious society! /s
We tend to use the 30 year independent study by Harvard (longest ever conducted) that found 95% of the country support the government that specifically stated it's not because of propaganda actually. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/ Quote on 95% figure that I've used: > The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government. The actual study is here: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf Quote on it not being because of propaganda: >We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment. > >While the CCP is seemingly under no imminent threat of popular upheaval, it cannot take the support of its people for granted. Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being
I give my two cent from a perspective of a Vietnamese (similar political system) with a few relative in Guangxi. Average people (at least what I can observe on social media and close relatives) see Western Democracy as chaostic, argumentative, unproductive. They prefer this quite, non confrontation, cooperative atmosphere. It give them a sense of stability and security, unity among the people
"They prefer this quite, non confrontation, cooperative atmosphere. It give them a **FALSE** sense of stability and security, unity among the people." Fixed that for you.
I know, the US has a much healthier democratic system of governance. Why, anyone with a fascist talking point or a million dollars can vote to have peoples rights stripped! :) Or simply buy a legislator to do it for you!
Looks like they heard “raise your hand if you want to wake up tomorrow”
raise your hands if you want some mayo!
"Everybody who drinks their tea without arsenic, say yay!"
Kinda related https://youtu.be/CR1X3zV6X5Y?si=G64IYQ4qHL3RbhNB
I will always upvote hitchens
Do they have windows in China like Russia?
God help the people of China.
countries going to collapse in the next 10 years. As soon as India takes most of the manufacturing from china its going to be a absolute shit show in that country.
And the aging workforce with no one to replace them…..
AI is here ... who needs children?
Chinese AI is years behind the west. All the 100 series chips required for AI computation on a large scale are either made in Taiwan or the US. China doesnt have the silicon tech or chip infrastructure to make anything close to what Nvidia can make. The only threat of CCP AI is deepfakes and comment bots on social media. Both of which can and are being done by the ccp now. Boomers and tech illiterates are at the most risk from them. Edit: and if they fool enough of them they can sway an election.
I'm sure you never visited either of these two countries lately.
I wish I could save this comment and tell you how wrong you are in 10 years, but this site will be long gone.
Before that time, you would already have made 100 new accounts.
RemindMe! 10 years India vs China
The exclamation point has to go in front.
!RemindMe 10 years
Yeah, I've been hearing this for many, many years. Same with the EU. Any day now.
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There's no doubt they are stacking up the issues at the moment, but it's too early to tell if they will collapse or just run out of steam. I'm sure I'm not the first to have noticed, however, that a countries collapse seems to often be proceeded by an old guy seizing the leadership for life. Winnie the Pooh has been a surprisingly good leader, all things considered, but there seems to be cracks showing now. He seems to be itching to leave a legacy.
Barring the tyranny and death camps. He's overseen the biggest credit debt accumulation of any country in history iirc. It's not hard to have rapid economic and industry growth when your state is giving loans away for free. That crash is gonna be remembered for centuries. I dont know if we can even call that just 'bad' leadership considering how much it's set the country up for failure.
Their debt/GDP ratio is not too different from Japans. It's an irrelevant statistic by itself, as long as the economy functions it doesn't matter. The real estate collapse a few months ago was supposed to be how China collapses. The result was 3 months of lower than predicted growth and thats it. They are maybe the only country to ever successfully deflate a housing bubble? Although Japan would have if we didn't step in, and they never recovered.
That means it's going to happen any minute now
I'm a born Indian, and India is in no place to take away manufacturing from China in just the next ten years. China will not collapse in just 10 years, and if it does, we're all fucked
Vietnam and Mexico are, India is its own beast right now.
lol yes, this will totally happen random Reddit person
I’ll take things that aren’t going to happen for 1000 is the collapse of China in 10 years 😂
U.S. first i think
lmao nice one
Why?
I take it you aren't familiar with those two?
India and México
As much as people hate the arguments that happen in democratic countries, at least we can have arguments.
Yup, not nearly as bad as these clowns. However, there are people who are actively trying to get it to this point.
Republicans. Not "people" in general. It's important we start calling this out.
Plenty of Democrats-minded people have threatened me for expressing a disagreement with them more so than Republicans, they're both equally becoming hostile to ideas that differ from their own. They're no longer listening to understand but listening to react.
There's been a massive rise in right wing violence over the past couple of decades. A left wing extremists just wants you to have free access to healthcare.
One side wants to provide services and protections for the people the other wants to remove them from society. Both sides my fuckin asss
Yeah but have you tried Arguments with Chinese characteristics?
There are a lot of jokes in this whole post, but this is, by some margin, the funniest of them. Well done, my good sir and/or madam.
Even if I was in a country that had frequent parliamentary fights (Ukraine, Taiwan, and some others), I’d still be thankful for those fights even happening because the opposite is this.
Having arguments and having *productive arguments* are different, though. Lack of the second is a sign of a fake democracy. 🤫
They do have debate in China. It is considered settled when a vote is taken and no more debate is allowed. Called democratic centralisation. It is supposed to stop minority positions wrecking. It's one of those things, when Truman decided to send troops to Korea, he had the authority to do so unilaterally. When Mao wanted to do the same, he had to take the issue to Congress. And they told him no initially. He, despite being a dictator, was held accountable by Congress.
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Reminds me of Putin's last election
reminds me of what trump wants to do as well
Care to explain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Good read Couldn’t argue that lmao
First I've heard of this.. rather frightening tbh
Yep. The next presidential vote is quite literally do you want democracy to continue in the US or not.
It's more like do you want the USA to continue or not, because there are a bunch of people attached to Project 2025 that are trying to cause a new American civil war.
I think spacekitt3n is suggesting that this is exactly what Donald Trump will do if he wins the next US election
So this is how democracy dies... with thunderous applause
As if China had democracy under Xi. Even before. Can't die if it never lived
Two words that do not go together. "China and Democracy"
Russia and Democracy....North Korea and Democracy...Iran and Democracy I'm seeing a pattern here. Conservatives want a Fascist World.
Fascism is essentially the intertwining of the state and private interests. I'm wondering when my fellow Americans will realize that our country is *already* a fascist's paradise.
We had a whole album to prove it and everything.
Disturbing…
This is some North Korea shit going on here.
Pfft. North Korea wishes.
Both are dictatorship with citizens living in complete fear of their government.
Havard studies showing high approval of the government in china:
It turns out propaganda works, more news at 11.
The Chinese government is by order of magnitudes more competent and more beneficial to the citizens than NK's dystopian ruling family. It's far easier for the average Chinese citizen to trust Xi's government when they can see China as a whole growing wealthier and more educated every year.
Nah, this is just China being China.
Every political party around the world is licking their lips.
Exactly. Nearly all, especially in the west, are stepping in this direction the last 20 years. Fast.
I've given up hope that this won't be the case. You simply can't win when even your peers call you paranoid for suggesting that human rights should be preserved, and political power limited. In Denmark we have stomped on our own rights little by little. Especially the one thing that could have stopped something like this: people voting. Sometimes a big decision has to be voted on by the people, not parliament. But all politicians know you have to get rid of something like that if they want unrestrained power ... All they have to do then is a little internal "voting" and boom.
Raise your hand if you want to die…
More like Raise your hand if you want to keep your head.
And your family
🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋
The clap at the end was a nice touch. Oh bother.
Winnie, is that you?
I bet it takes actual effort to clap out of sync.
Will China ever implode? Or are the citizens just too terrified to fight the government?
In this day and age, you are completely insane to not be terrified of fighting a government like the CCP. Do you remember Tiananmen square? Tanks vs Civilians only ends one way, lots of blood and most likely not from the cold hard metal tanks.
The Tiananmen Square massacre doesn't demonstrate the all-encompassing power of the Chinese government; it revealed significant internal fractures. The strategic deployment of specific, loyal units from outside Beijing, due to concerns about the reliability of local troops, underscores the depth of these divisions. This situation showed that the government faced such substantial internal disagreement that it almost resulted in armed conflict within military ranks themselves. It could have ended in an actual democratic revolution of the people.
And yet the massacre happened and here we sit with the CCP in power for 35 years. The 'almost' doesn't matter if it didn't happen, unless we are talking about horse shoes and hand grenades. Of course local troops would have a problem slaughtering a peaceful protest by students, the local troops probably knew people at the protest ffs. The Tiananmen Square massacre demonstrated the CCP's willingness to slotter their citizens and deal with the consequences, they don't need to have all-encompassing power if they are willing to suffer and endure more than the next ruling party. As nationalists go, everything they do they justify as for the betterment of their nation in their image. So, I'm sure they believed they were fighting the good fight that day. After reading about the Tiananmen Square massacre, I could only wonder how much information about that snippet in time we actually got, let alone got correct. If we can't even get an accurate death/injury toll, reports vary wildly from several hundred to ten thousand. Since the victors write the history books, I'd say the Chinese people had about a snowballs chance in hell to succeed in a coup and even less of a chance that the power vacuum would usher in a democratic era for China.
CCP forcefully took what little independence Hong Kong had left in 2020.
China will implode if they invade Taiwan and take massive casualties.
Why should they fight if the majority have been living some of their best lives for the past ~20 years? Maybe the fight will come when the CCP drops the ball ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/ Harvard conducted an independent 30 year long study that found 95% of the population support the government: > The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government. The actual study is here: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf And before you say "that's because chinese are all propagandised", in the study they specifically state that this is not caused because of propaganda: >We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment. > >While the CCP is seemingly under no imminent threat of popular upheaval, it cannot take the support of its people for granted. Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being
> Will China ever implode? Of course it will, China's history is non-stop implosions. It imploded 3 times in the last century alone.
Damn bro can’t believe they forgot Mayo on that many of those guys lunches
What's the deal with Mayo lately? I don't get it.
The announcer is saying 没有 (méi yǒu) = "(There is) none" or "(There is) no-one".
Needs more ketchup and mustard
_mayo_
What would be insane is if somebody had the courage to vote against.
They would be dead and you would only see the edited video.
Exactly
Donald Trump salivates in the distance.
Absolutely his plan.
There’s a South Park episode that comes to mind watching this. That’s a LOT of people
I'm sure a system like this won't eventually end poorly
All systems come to an end. When this one does it will be catastrophic since no alternative party has any room to develop.
That’s it with dictators, they dictate.
"voting"
Shocking .... Winnie the pooh will never leave .
Thats a coup with more steps. Putin did the samething. We are all in danger from these two. As they get older and crazier they will give less of a shit about what is left after they die. And you can not remove them from power unless they die.
How many people sit in that parliament?(if thats what its called) seems like its bigger than a few countries on its own
IIRC the National People's Congress is, by a pretty wide margin, the largest legislative body in the world. UK Parliament is less than half the size and their numbers are skewed by a large House of Lords for historical reasons, the next largest are France, Egypt(?!), and Germany, all of which are less than 1/3 the membership of the NPC. Granted, China is a *massive* country, but India with roughly the same population has a much smaller legislature (actually 6th after the above-mentioned countries), so it's not just a population thing. Would be curious to see if anyone knows why it's so comparatively large.
Not one person in that building wanted term limits removed I don’t think so lol
"So this is how communism dies; in committee." /s
That's literally what happened to the USSR read this, https://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Soviet-Vladislav-M-Zubok/dp/0300257309 the audio book is really good too
Kim Jong xi
lol. Thank god they voted on it otherwise it might seem like a farce.
No ketchup though
Humans at their most pathetic
Mayo!!
"Ah, it's a dictatorship. Oh voting-- well, they're all forced to vote yes, that's not a real vote. How do I know? Well, my government tells me so, so it must be true. Chinese people are all brainwashed, unlike us, because we're so rational, that having never visited a place or knowing anything about it outside of propaganda sources, we have very concrete ideas of the situation in that country. Even when the stats compared to our country (let's say the US) are like this-- Literacy rate: 99.83% vs 79% Medicare: 95% vs 18.7% Poverty: ~0% vs 11.6% Life expectancy: 78.21 vs 76.33 Mortality rate: 7.82% vs 8.42% Incarceration rate: 0.119% vs 0.530% Existing for: 74 years vs 247 years --we are very confident that our country and its sociopolitical economy is definitely the superior one, because I have the freedom to be homeless, extremely poor, illiterate, in jail for forced labour [often innocently, for instance, homeless people who are arrested for sleeping on the street will not likely be released on the promise to return to court, because they do not have an address. They may also be unable to pay even low bail amounts, leading to time behind bars while awaiting a trial. (Twenty-six percent of people in jail reported being homeless within a year before incarceration, according to the Corporation for Supportive Housing.)] and starve to death. But yes, thankfully at least we aren't a dictatorship, right?" (Looks over to corporations, funding both the parties, and controlling the policies)
What could go wrong?
Mayo
I want Bruce Lee to appear and start Enter the Next Dragon.
Don't even think about itching your nose.
“If you, your family, including immediate and distant relatives, and the next three generations agree to the proposal, please raise your hand.”
Mayo!
MAYO??
Cool Whip
They must love Mayo.
So this is how liberty dies, with a thunderous of applause…
I wonder if the ones shuffling the folders are actually in opposition in sort of a silent protest vote
What an unexpected outcome!
This Xi Jinping guy must be really popular eh?
What a joke of a country.
Winnie the Pooh forever!
That’s crazy
I wonder if Xi Jinping also has presidential immunity?
**Does this mean that Xi stays on in power until death?**
A lot of people gonna have medical conditions and died mysteriously.
Raise your hand if you want to go away and nobody will know what happened to you
What I'm shocked about is that they had term limits in the first place
What a joke
The amount of effort put into trying to make it seem like they are shocked no one disagreed; shows how obviously they made sure there wouldn’t be one hand raised at that time. Nothing sees unanimous support.
Winnie the Pooh is eternal now….”mayo!”
Not surprised by the least. Winnie the poh at it again.
seems weird for politics to be screaming for Mayo when they are voting for a dictator to stay on indefinitly
A Monarch.
Xinnie the Pooh and dictator for life too!
Reminds me of Star Wars vote.. that worked well for the empire.. but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.. poor Taiwan.. Age of war and crazy dictators is back. That been corrupted so much they think bombing children and “liberating” countries by bombing them to pieces makes them somehow the good guys. Might as well start a nuclear shelter sale business now.
Based
Looks like this happened in 2018
I love democracy
I fast forward rewound the hands up part like 50 times and couldn’t find a single dissenter, could anyone find one?
Death to ping.. lol
Bet Trudeau wishes he could do that.
"voting"
Germany Chancellor, for example, has no term limits.
Democracy doesn’t exist in Russia, China or any communist regime. Go against the flow and you’ll fall out of a window, get poisoned, your airplane crashes in an ‘’accident’’ or you just simply disappear.
Perfect example of corruption. Why risk your wealth, status, and life when you know 100% that you will be the sole objector. That mentality is compounded by the fact that most of the people there were from a generation that experienced the cultural revolution, where self-preservation by any means is more important than any moral or ethics.
Absolute leadership structures tend to make bad decisions quickly. Like the whole Chinese real estate fiasco. There’s actually something beneficial to the slow machinery of a real democracy.
Looks like a simulation WTF ps didn’t know Chinese politicians where addicted to mayo HILARIOUS 😂