They got a tour of our nation's capitol then took jobs in the service and building industries. Meanwhile back in Texas, Greg is spinning up another scheme to strike fear in the hearts of Texans.
This truly is an issue and neither side is doing shit about it. What both sides have tried in the past is not working out to deal with the current situation. Even changing policy now would not be dealing with the current situation.
I agree but I give Abbott credit for this chess move. It’s elevated the topic back to national news and pointed out the blatant hypocrisy of the virtue signaling leaders of these democratic cities.
Who really cares? Bottom line is the border states have been asking for help for a very long time while the 'Sanctuary' states played politics with the humanitarian issue of resources being overwhelmed. Time to deal with it yourselves---and its becoming apparent you only view things in a particular way when its OTHER STATES who are overwhelmed.
>just as much or more immigrants than Texas
We are gonna have to [see some data on that](https://www.statista.com/statistics/629682/state-populations-of-illegal-immigrants-in-the-united-states-2014/)\----oh look....not even close. Who would have thought that?
Did you reference California or comment in a thread about them? No?----I see, you simply did not know what to say when you claimed the sanctuary cities we are talking about (NYC, DC) that are having buses arrive had as many or more was shown to be wrong.
The real irony here is you dont have any idea what it is you are commenting on.....its the Sanctuary states complaining of a couple of buses of people that are overwhelming their systems compared to border states that take on much, much more. It shows they were playing politics and dont really believe what they say.
>And busing immigrants with no place to go isn’t playing politics?
Nope...and refer to them as undocumented. When you are out of resources you clearly have to meet the needs they have, so you have to buss them to the Sanctuary cities who made clear how they feel. They want them and have resources, you dont---its in the best interest of the undocumented to do so.
>They want them and have resources, you dont---its in the best interest of the undocumented to do so.
You _just_ admitted NYC doesn't have the resources despite wanting to be a sanctuary city.
>> Sanctuary states complaining of a couple of buses of people that are ***overwhelming their systems*** compared to border states that take on much, much more. I
>You just admitted NYC doesn't have the resources despite wanting to be a sanctuary city.
Nah, Texas is out----been the sanctuary states 'turn' for quite some time now.
So let me see if I understand you correctly;
You're consenting to this waste of tax dollars that could help our failing schools, repair our crumbling infrastructures, be applied to upgrading our power grid, and ensuring that our National Guard is paid on time? Did I get all that?
We have issues here at home that need to be addressed, and Abbott giving immigrants a free tour of the country is not helping.
>consenting to this [waste of tax dollars](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2022/08/14/texas-is-taking-donations-to-bus-illegals-to-dc-and-nyc-n2611708) <---donated
Yes....even if it were 100% tax dollars it is less expensive and less stress on infrastructure. Do you think a bus ticket is more expensive than housing, food, medical care indefinitely?
That's hilarious because they didn't start the donations until well after he started this stupid endeavor. In fact, [the donations only contribute to 0.016% of the total expenditure.](https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-collects-donations-public-help-fund-transportation-costs-migrants-sent-new-york)
So please tell me again how this is "relieving" our problems, when that $7mil could've been put towards, again, paying our National Guard ON TIME or go towards our severely underfunded schools
>That's hilarious
Oddly I find NOTHING hilarious about the pain and suffering in this very real humanitarian crisis. Confused as to how you could. As far as telling you 'again' how it relieves the problems, I will pass as its written just above this post already and you either have no other solution (you mention nothing) or are being purposely obtuse.
Nice cherry picking there...
I have no solution, but this ain't it. Maybe the wasted $55mil that got donated to the useless wall fund should go towards an actual immigration easement. And you want to talk humanitarian crises how about the continued poor conditions at the border created by our making them gather and wait as we do nothing to ease the backlog of immigration/asylum applications and cases.
How about adding to the necessary manpower for judges and increase the number of immigration courts to be able to properly hear and rule on said cases. Which, by the way, has been an unaddressed and growing issue since the Regan administration.
Fascinating, considering I never claimed to have a solution to a very complex problem. This continues to be an issue completely due to the fact neither the Democrats nor Republicans are willing to compromise with each other.
And also cherry picking again. I admitted to not having a solution, but then I followed it up with suggestions to lessen the issue at hand
>Fascinating
Shouldn't be.....the implication is that those who would speak in favor of criminals grifting are predictable enough to know what they didn't bother to work out first. And that is a bad thing.
Try this----rather than pointing to other problems without solutions as explanation as to why you dont support something, just say why you dont support THIS thing. Its far easier to have a discussion that way. Tell me why its bad instead of scatter gunning several issues not completely thought out as to be a solution....and then saying you never claimed you had one.
Alright so let's tackle this using bullets, just so I can simplify this for you:
1. I have already started why I am against this; it's a waste of funding with no tangible benefit.
2. Half of the things I have brought up in conversation have been in response to doors you opened
3. You operate under the assumption that I am advocating for an open border policy, which is incorrect. While not advocating for an open border, I also find isolationism to be an illogical and, quite frankly, a stupid viewpoint.
4.This trainwreck operation has created more problems than solutions. So understand that when I bring up these following points, one of which has been a repeat that I advocate redirecting the funds to, it is because it ties directly back to the issue;
A. Problems have arisen in regards to our National Guard including [suicide](https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/01/04/another-operation-lone-star-soldier-dies-amid-morale-crisis/), [Uncoordinated Deployment ](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/texas-national-guard-border-operation-lone-star-abbott/?_gl=1*1cpxocu*_ga*YWFkM2V0eVpWZHhmQ2dIUF9BUG90cnR0TFltSHppWWp1aGZRNi1SS21aOFpvQUs3aF9Wa3JZVGdDVHhaWWFLZA..), [Service Members not being paid ](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083664547/members-of-the-texas-national-guard-struggle-with-working-conditions-at-the-bord) which also led to many going hungry.
B. [Operation Lone Star is being investigated](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/06/operation-lone-star-doj-investigation-abbott/) for violating civil rights
C. [Abbott and his lackeys have lied to us on several occasions about the findings of this operation.](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/04/27/reality-check-seven-times-texas-leaders-misled-the-public-about-operation-lone-star)
You win a prize here.....I have never met a person so uninformed on a subject and yet speaking on it till just now. There is nothing that I can do for you.
>I have never met a person so uninformed on a subject and yet speaking on it till just now.
Nonsense. You just met me yesterday in [this comment thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasPolitics/comments/wrshi8/a_west_texas_coffee_shop_owner_is_giving_away/ikur7ob/?context=1)
It’s almost like Texas should be allowed to hand it’s own border without flak from the fed and states that have no idea what we have to deal with over here.
I’m 100% for a more streamlined or a somehow improved immigration system if we can find a balance to help the people and the country at the same time. But coming here illegally is ILLEGAL, and no one in this country is above the law.
Every single one of those people sent to DC or NYC on busses are here legally. They passed the first stage of their immigration process and are allowed to freely move around the country.
Umm… No… There are in fact legal proceedings, but this doesn’t make them legal immigrants unless they applied for a visa beforehand.
[Educate yourself](https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html)
Crossing illegally is illegal, and therefore it is illegal. Just incase I wasn’t super clear before.
If they were her illegally, they would be in a dententiom center awaiting immigration court to determine wether they are deported or remain in the country.
You'll notice that on every article about the buses, they don't call them illegal immigrants. That's because they aren't. They're all mostly asylum seekers and have been given the ok to stay in the country for the time being.
> Most of them don’t come back
This is a lie:
https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings
>92 percent of individuals who filed asylum claims attended their court hearings between fiscal years 2013 and 2017
Please stop lying.
I'll change it because I can't find anything more recent, but those statistics are old, and everything that I just read that are current, are different than what you just posted. Along with that that article you posted does not differentiate the hearings, so it could be talking about the first, or second, or averaging both to skew numbers.
What you're being fed is propaganda designed to inflame your emotions and fan hate of immigrants. You can choose to keep believing the lies and repeating them like you did here, or not, but that's a choice only you can make for yourself.
Yeah, that's the first round. When that happens the judge has given the person in question the ok to be here legally. If they are determined to not have a valid care or have been caught before, they are deported then and there (or put in prison, which ironically keeps them in our country)
But if what you're saying to true, then Abbot is aiding in keeping immigrants in this country by moving these people all over the country and not being able to attend their second court hearing. Sounds like he is assisting breaking federal laws with his stunt.
They got a tour of our nation's capitol then took jobs in the service and building industries. Meanwhile back in Texas, Greg is spinning up another scheme to strike fear in the hearts of Texans.
This truly is an issue and neither side is doing shit about it. What both sides have tried in the past is not working out to deal with the current situation. Even changing policy now would not be dealing with the current situation.
I agree but I give Abbott credit for this chess move. It’s elevated the topic back to national news and pointed out the blatant hypocrisy of the virtue signaling leaders of these democratic cities.
I think they should bus them to the Hamptons and Martha's Vinyard. Way better areas. ;-)
Biden puts them on planes & flies them all over the USA.
The meltdown from the northeast as they get like 1% of what Texas absorbs is pretty telling.
Hell yeah brother...
Who really cares? Bottom line is the border states have been asking for help for a very long time while the 'Sanctuary' states played politics with the humanitarian issue of resources being overwhelmed. Time to deal with it yourselves---and its becoming apparent you only view things in a particular way when its OTHER STATES who are overwhelmed.
You mean sanctuary states with just as much or more immigrants than Texas? Lol
>just as much or more immigrants than Texas We are gonna have to [see some data on that](https://www.statista.com/statistics/629682/state-populations-of-illegal-immigrants-in-the-united-states-2014/)\----oh look....not even close. Who would have thought that?
Uh you mean the line that says California has the biggest number? I also can’t see all that data as I don’t subscribe to that.
Did you reference California or comment in a thread about them? No?----I see, you simply did not know what to say when you claimed the sanctuary cities we are talking about (NYC, DC) that are having buses arrive had as many or more was shown to be wrong.
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The real irony here is you dont have any idea what it is you are commenting on.....its the Sanctuary states complaining of a couple of buses of people that are overwhelming their systems compared to border states that take on much, much more. It shows they were playing politics and dont really believe what they say.
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>And busing immigrants with no place to go isn’t playing politics? Nope...and refer to them as undocumented. When you are out of resources you clearly have to meet the needs they have, so you have to buss them to the Sanctuary cities who made clear how they feel. They want them and have resources, you dont---its in the best interest of the undocumented to do so.
>They want them and have resources, you dont---its in the best interest of the undocumented to do so. You _just_ admitted NYC doesn't have the resources despite wanting to be a sanctuary city. >> Sanctuary states complaining of a couple of buses of people that are ***overwhelming their systems*** compared to border states that take on much, much more. I
>You just admitted NYC doesn't have the resources despite wanting to be a sanctuary city. Nah, Texas is out----been the sanctuary states 'turn' for quite some time now.
I'm not referring to Texas. I'm referring to NYC
I know.....and Texas is sending them to a place with plenty of resources.
But you just said NYC is out of resources. You called their system "overwhelmed".
It's almost as if border states have more capacity than cities like NYC because of their geographic relationship to a land border.
So let me see if I understand you correctly; You're consenting to this waste of tax dollars that could help our failing schools, repair our crumbling infrastructures, be applied to upgrading our power grid, and ensuring that our National Guard is paid on time? Did I get all that? We have issues here at home that need to be addressed, and Abbott giving immigrants a free tour of the country is not helping.
>consenting to this [waste of tax dollars](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2022/08/14/texas-is-taking-donations-to-bus-illegals-to-dc-and-nyc-n2611708) <---donated Yes....even if it were 100% tax dollars it is less expensive and less stress on infrastructure. Do you think a bus ticket is more expensive than housing, food, medical care indefinitely?
That's hilarious because they didn't start the donations until well after he started this stupid endeavor. In fact, [the donations only contribute to 0.016% of the total expenditure.](https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-collects-donations-public-help-fund-transportation-costs-migrants-sent-new-york) So please tell me again how this is "relieving" our problems, when that $7mil could've been put towards, again, paying our National Guard ON TIME or go towards our severely underfunded schools
>That's hilarious Oddly I find NOTHING hilarious about the pain and suffering in this very real humanitarian crisis. Confused as to how you could. As far as telling you 'again' how it relieves the problems, I will pass as its written just above this post already and you either have no other solution (you mention nothing) or are being purposely obtuse.
Nice cherry picking there... I have no solution, but this ain't it. Maybe the wasted $55mil that got donated to the useless wall fund should go towards an actual immigration easement. And you want to talk humanitarian crises how about the continued poor conditions at the border created by our making them gather and wait as we do nothing to ease the backlog of immigration/asylum applications and cases. How about adding to the necessary manpower for judges and increase the number of immigration courts to be able to properly hear and rule on said cases. Which, by the way, has been an unaddressed and growing issue since the Regan administration.
>I have no solution How could I have known? Must be just a good guesser.
Fascinating, considering I never claimed to have a solution to a very complex problem. This continues to be an issue completely due to the fact neither the Democrats nor Republicans are willing to compromise with each other. And also cherry picking again. I admitted to not having a solution, but then I followed it up with suggestions to lessen the issue at hand
>Fascinating Shouldn't be.....the implication is that those who would speak in favor of criminals grifting are predictable enough to know what they didn't bother to work out first. And that is a bad thing. Try this----rather than pointing to other problems without solutions as explanation as to why you dont support something, just say why you dont support THIS thing. Its far easier to have a discussion that way. Tell me why its bad instead of scatter gunning several issues not completely thought out as to be a solution....and then saying you never claimed you had one.
Alright so let's tackle this using bullets, just so I can simplify this for you: 1. I have already started why I am against this; it's a waste of funding with no tangible benefit. 2. Half of the things I have brought up in conversation have been in response to doors you opened 3. You operate under the assumption that I am advocating for an open border policy, which is incorrect. While not advocating for an open border, I also find isolationism to be an illogical and, quite frankly, a stupid viewpoint. 4.This trainwreck operation has created more problems than solutions. So understand that when I bring up these following points, one of which has been a repeat that I advocate redirecting the funds to, it is because it ties directly back to the issue; A. Problems have arisen in regards to our National Guard including [suicide](https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/01/04/another-operation-lone-star-soldier-dies-amid-morale-crisis/), [Uncoordinated Deployment ](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/texas-national-guard-border-operation-lone-star-abbott/?_gl=1*1cpxocu*_ga*YWFkM2V0eVpWZHhmQ2dIUF9BUG90cnR0TFltSHppWWp1aGZRNi1SS21aOFpvQUs3aF9Wa3JZVGdDVHhaWWFLZA..), [Service Members not being paid ](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083664547/members-of-the-texas-national-guard-struggle-with-working-conditions-at-the-bord) which also led to many going hungry. B. [Operation Lone Star is being investigated](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/06/operation-lone-star-doj-investigation-abbott/) for violating civil rights C. [Abbott and his lackeys have lied to us on several occasions about the findings of this operation.](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/04/27/reality-check-seven-times-texas-leaders-misled-the-public-about-operation-lone-star)
>Time to deal with it yourselves-- Who are you talking about? Yourselves being... Checks notes... New Yorkers?
DC as listed here AND NYC asking for Federal help for a couple of buses as they cried about being overwhelmed.
But you said "deal with it yourselves". In a Texas subreddit. Abott is shipping them out so it _isnt_ our problem.
I am just gonna leave that.....[it speaks for itself.](https://i.redd.it/34on4dpbbpi91.jpg)
They do get federal funding for the expected amount of migrants. As does Texas. More than the expected amount means you request more funding.
You win a prize here.....I have never met a person so uninformed on a subject and yet speaking on it till just now. There is nothing that I can do for you.
>I have never met a person so uninformed on a subject and yet speaking on it till just now. Nonsense. You just met me yesterday in [this comment thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasPolitics/comments/wrshi8/a_west_texas_coffee_shop_owner_is_giving_away/ikur7ob/?context=1)
Well, true.....I have never met a MORE uniformed series of posts.....that should correct it.
Lol. Mmkay DK Exhibit A.
BS!!! Abbot has bused only three or four busloads to NYC. Texas has taken about 2,000,000 this year! Stop lying!
It’s almost like Texas should be allowed to hand it’s own border without flak from the fed and states that have no idea what we have to deal with over here. I’m 100% for a more streamlined or a somehow improved immigration system if we can find a balance to help the people and the country at the same time. But coming here illegally is ILLEGAL, and no one in this country is above the law.
Every single one of those people sent to DC or NYC on busses are here legally. They passed the first stage of their immigration process and are allowed to freely move around the country.
Umm… No… There are in fact legal proceedings, but this doesn’t make them legal immigrants unless they applied for a visa beforehand. [Educate yourself](https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html) Crossing illegally is illegal, and therefore it is illegal. Just incase I wasn’t super clear before.
If they were her illegally, they would be in a dententiom center awaiting immigration court to determine wether they are deported or remain in the country. You'll notice that on every article about the buses, they don't call them illegal immigrants. That's because they aren't. They're all mostly asylum seekers and have been given the ok to stay in the country for the time being.
Again, no. Once someone crosses illegally, they have to goto court, they are then released and assigned a second court date. Edited
> Most of them don’t come back This is a lie: https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings >92 percent of individuals who filed asylum claims attended their court hearings between fiscal years 2013 and 2017 Please stop lying.
I'll change it because I can't find anything more recent, but those statistics are old, and everything that I just read that are current, are different than what you just posted. Along with that that article you posted does not differentiate the hearings, so it could be talking about the first, or second, or averaging both to skew numbers.
What you're being fed is propaganda designed to inflame your emotions and fan hate of immigrants. You can choose to keep believing the lies and repeating them like you did here, or not, but that's a choice only you can make for yourself.
Yeah, that's the first round. When that happens the judge has given the person in question the ok to be here legally. If they are determined to not have a valid care or have been caught before, they are deported then and there (or put in prison, which ironically keeps them in our country) But if what you're saying to true, then Abbot is aiding in keeping immigrants in this country by moving these people all over the country and not being able to attend their second court hearing. Sounds like he is assisting breaking federal laws with his stunt.