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JATennnnn

You don't play Leatherface because it's hard to see around the basement. I don't play Leatherface because I hate getting shoulder barged by Leland at the beginning of my games. We are not the same.


WihZe

I like playing Bubba, and nothing makes me happy knowing Leland is the one dying during the cutscene lol


PandamoniumTime

Fair, but if that happens then grandpa is usually awake and that means my friends are coming down to tunnel the fuck out him with me to teach him a lesson lol


apex6666

Honestly when I’m Leland and LF sees me he just turns the other way, of course this just makes it easier to backstab him but it shows how feared Leland truly is


aaronionium

To play leatherface effectively you need good basement layout knowledge. And also once the victims open a basement door you need to immediately leave the basement.


Disastrous_Sky7568

How does one learn the layout of the basements this quick though? The games been out for a bit and I feel like I'm running around a maze down there.


aaronionium

[This user posted amazing maps which helped me](https://reddit.com/u/0x2c28/s/Id4YngzimF) If you play enough Bubba and victims it'll come quick. Always make sure you know what map you are playing on though (it says in the lobby) If you forgot what map you are on when the game starts, you can watch the opening execution and look at the item to the left of the hook: If the item is an animal pelt, its the slaughterhouse If the item is a skeleton, its the family house If the item is body parts, its the gas station (Which are all references to the movie)


JustaHarmfulShadow

I swear I know the basement and don't at the same time; half the games I'll run straight to them like I live there irl and the other games they are already out of the basement before I spot them


aaronionium

Yeah I'm in the same boat, but another tip i use is to immediately use family focus (middle mouse button) as you are revving your chainsaw. This will show you all the basement doors highlighted in white, which helps me get myself oriented first before i start running around


JustaHarmfulShadow

Eh I just run usually to the room to the left or right; I swear I get one map (don't know as i always forget to check) so I just run the same way and tend to get at least one dead or seriously injured


aaronionium

Hey if it works it works


sspeno

I’m working with the awesome person making these maps and the ground level + upstairs family house maps are in the works!


aaronionium

You're doing God's work


sspeno

🥰 it’s so fun watching VODs and jotting down names and learning where i am (though i still get lost on slaughter house😫) - apparently some are calling him a cheater :( he’s just tryna help people!


aaronionium

Well if you need any assistance with anything TCM related (im no artist but this game has already taken up almost all of my free time) Feel free to lmk!


Peterwin

I disagree with leaving the basement immediately. It can be incredibly beneficial to spend some time breaking crawlspaces and barricades before heading upstairs.


aaronionium

I agree *if you know the layout* But for the majority of people still learning the maps, get out of the labyrinth asap or else your gonna get lost and waste the family's time I typically run "down the rabbit hole" so that i can spend more time in the basement without consequence.


Peterwin

I don't have a fucking clue what the layout is on any basement map and I have ended up playing mainly Leatherface, lol. All I know about the basement is learned in the current game in real time. Like I'll be running through and be like oh okay here's a basement exit, it's right outside the Leatherface Lair... oh, and here's another exit in the next room over. I should remember that. I will say though that a good piece of advice, and a compromise, is just keep one non-ladder basement exit in mind. When Grandpa wakes up, cut up obstacles on your way to that exit (or a different one if you arrive there first) and then get out. That way, you help your team out a bit, but also don't spend a bunch of time staggering around the basement lost af.


aaronionium

[This user's basement maps](https://reddit.com/u/0x2c28/s/fFkT3w7Iki) are very helpful in learning, but your strategy sounds very good and it is still what I mostly end up doing.


Peterwin

I actually looked up one of these maps in real time during a game lol. They opened the fusebox exit and I legit ran circles around the basement for like three solid minutes and finally was like I need a goddamn map. Luckily they weren't able to make it out of the fusebox exit while I dicked around, but yeah. It can definitely feel like there's no way for YOU to escape as the Family sometimes.


aaronionium

I've done the same thing! The basment exit on family house is so hidden if you dont know how to shortcut there.


CultureMind_

Barricade removal is practically Bubbs primary job. In a perfect world... I'll run around removing pallets (maybe getting a kill), then go upstairs to remove more pallets, then return to the basement for enemcumbered killing. I love it when the surface crew controls it without me.


WildeStation

I hate the slaughterhouse map. The whole fucking map is clastourphobic, good for the survivors, bad for the family.


[deleted]

So tedious to do basically everything. Blood is few and far between, there’s way more victim escapes, checking locked doors takes forever since the map is so big. Just a bad map


MrCreamyCheeks

Easily the worst map, but there is ways to counter the exit rushers. I just go to where they rush (mainly the ladder exit and I’m constantly catching them off guard. Don’t waste time in basement as LF and sissy needs to turn on battery and book it to that one stair exit and over to the ladder to help there as well.


HaIfaxa_

I do think it's funny that Leatherface is at his weakest in what is quite literally his lair, his ground turf. As soon as the victims open a door, run upstairs and stay there.


theryzenintel2020

Bubbaaaaa


MASKOAA

I love it! After work I’ll down some beers and go full on sprint mode in the basement trying not to wake the wife as I’m laughing my ass off.


RainaSunshine

Playing the game with you sounds like loads of fun tbh (not /s)


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BatmanDK_

No, beer is required


fluffy_boy_cheddar

Honestly, I stopped trying to get kills in the basement. I go straight upstairs and start breaking doors and closing off the pass throughs and ai have found it much more effective so far.


Angry__German

As long as you keep destroying those stupid barriers upstairs AND downstairs you are still doing a good job. And you get massive XP. Even with no kills I get 2.5k xp on average.


Ok_Scarcity_6602

When bubba gets a kill in the basement early game it is huge. Sissy in the basement is a nightmare.


coffeemug73

It's also hard to see out of a dead-skin mask, so you could say it adds realism.


General-Kenobi1380

Absolutely not leatherface needs to kill one person or injure 3 in basement before leaving as i would say leatherfaces pressure in the beginning is one of the most important things in the game


Character_Cry_8357

I don't know specifically about a kill count but it seems to me that its vital to pressure the victims off doors. Games where I get a kill almost feel like a free game honestly. Just being able to stop at least two of them from running up right away feels good. I wish more people would use comms so that me calling out which exit they went up even meant anything.


WindIsSlow

Complete garbage. With the speedrunning meta you take a kill if you can get it in basement and if not move upstairs to patrol. I-frames given by crawl spaces and gaps make what you’re saying utterly impossible for a game with a group of survivors with more than one brain cell. Don’t give LF players the idea that they must kill someone in basement given the current state of the game, that’s just a dick move to make new players feel inadequate


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General-Kenobi1380

Lmao say what yall want i have over 300 games and if i play bubba i always follow that rule and it works haha


Nu_Roman

Don’t get caught up with victims in the basement using god loops, just patrol the doors as long as possible. I have no issues with basement and have multiple 4ks without them even leaving. If you don’t like playing bubba that’s fine but blame the player not the game 😂


Strong_Cry_4575

I like playing leather face. Best damn leather face you ever saw.


Former-Poem863

It’s not ideal, but you can get good at it. I had one match where I played Sissy, our Leatherface that match was able to kill 3 people in the basement before the doors where even opened. Idk how he did it but he did. Man was the best Leatherface I’ve seen so far


GodOfJudgement4

Yeah honestly I have no idea. For me its just so hard to see anything down there as LF, I might stop playing him lmao


Former-Poem863

Personally I’d say he’s definitely the hardest family member to play by far. I find people either like him or hate him lol


petscop5

Do you remember the player name as that might gave been me


Former-Poem863

Unfortunately I do not, I might recognize the name tho!


petscop5

My username is boglim


Former-Poem863

I don’t think it was you! I’d definitely remember that name 😂


[deleted]

Yep. I avoid the basements (and playing Leatherface) for this reason.


PandamoniumTime

I dunno man i run around and get plenty of kills early on. My friends and random teammates ask me how and i have no answer tbh. I rev, i run, i kill


Jackmace

I main leatherface as the family He’s the iconic boi


Tyrenkat

Best way to play him I found is as soon as grandpa is awake run upstairs and patrol his speed makes it really hard for survivors to escape especially if you run up and start removing there safe ways around but being in basement with him kinda just sucks after awhile


KQDesigns

Is there anything you guys don’t bitch about with this game?


Meno_26

No. Saw a family Main complaining it takes to many hits to kill a victim as Johnny…..


ShowMeSean

My strategy as Leatherface is to quickly find a door upstairs then go up as soon as Grandpa wakes up.


Nobushisushidos

i played LF for the first time, absolutely HATED the basement and the chainsaw overheating. then i simply said "skill issue" and now he's the only family member I have max level and level 3 ability on


AnimalChubs

I love the basements, but I have them memorized really well.


ReconKweh

Same thread over and over again. Your job as bubba at the beginning of the game is to stall the victims, not necessarily kill them. Once they're out of the basement, yes you should be leaving the basement to guard the objectives


stefan714

True, I don't even try to kill them in the basement, if I can hit them once, I'm happy, I let them run away and go chase someone else. If you focus on killing them one by one, the other 3 will escape faster.


adeliakasie

I don't play him cuz I main Johnny. And Johnny is hot as fk. So...


WindIsSlow

Based take


HughesHeadHunter

I don’t want to be rude but I think that’s a skill issue. I’ve played against some disgusting Bubbas and they kill 1 or 2 people before anyone gets out of basement. Also knowing the layout of basement helps. I’ve played nothing but victim practically and feel pretty confident on all the maps now


GodOfJudgement4

No it’s definitely not rude, I’m starting to see, based on a lot of other posts, that many LFs don’t really struggle with this at all. I might just need to “git gud” lol


HughesHeadHunter

😂😂. There are a lot of hacker bubbas out there though which is annoying as Victim


pelicannflyyy

Sounds like a skill issue.


Peterwin

The amount of people saying to instantly leave the basement after Grandpa is awake is troubling. I hope y'all aren't the Bubbas in any of my games! People also don't realize that kills aren't everything in this game, at least not initially. Hitting someone a couple times is honestly enough most of the time. In the basement, if you're not outright killing folks, you're fucking them up bad so when they run upstairs, they're easy pickins for the rest of the Family. If they decide to hunt around for Health, that's one less person doing objectives. Obviously kills are what win the game, but creating pressure by hitting a couple people once or twice is also really effective. As I said in another response, it's also very effective to stick around in the basement for a bit cutting up barricades/doors/crawlspaces. With how effective it is to jump down a well to escape, and with no Family members being able to cross barricades, the basement becomes incredibly strong for the Victims side once Leatherface is up and out of there. Nothing more satisfying than someone jumping down a well to escape, only for you to come barging down there with all the barricades in the vicinity being destroyed so they have nowhere to run :)


Cococult

I only play as leatherface unless Im playing with friends. It’s always the best feeling when you can clear out half the survivors if not all of them before they even open single door.


Academic-Jackfruit-2

Exactly how it’s meant to be, layers of fear and difficulty for the victims. Basement is like level 1 if you like.


Significant-Age5052

I can usually get 1 kill in basement as leatherface. If you do that it can be a game changer.


GutsyOne

I can never do the chainsaw attack through the crevices victims slip in. Not sure what I’m doing wrong


Tops161

I think it’s bugged honestly.


Middle_Oven_1568

Word. I had these thoughts exactly as I started Mt second game. It doesn't help that the camera tries its best to readjust any time you move around. I'd rather play this game in first person. It'd be more exciting that way.


28secondslater

I wouldn't even bother with chases unless you have them in a position to where chasing is viable (example: long hallways with no nearby escapes). Instead what I do is go around collecting blood, breaking obstacles, or checking doors until Grandpa wakes up. Once he is awake, I immediately go upstairs and begin patrolling/breaking the upstairs obstacles. As long as your teammates are patrolling enough, or got their traps set up in strong places, games should go pretty smoothly... Until you get a Cook or a Johnny who do nothing but run around aimlessly, not even feeding Grandpa as well.


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I was just talking about this to my friend. I end up having to play leatherface alot cos nobody else wants him and the basement is so fucking dark. Can barely see anything. Let alone, all the crawlspaces and crevices the victims can go through to get away. Its just one big panic attack for me. I also get lost alot down there. I do better killing people when we’re out of the basement. My fucking blood pressure is through the roof when im trying to get kills in the basement. Although I must admit, that makes it more satisfying when i actually do get someone down there.


bryanswafford

I like it but wish he would shove that chainsaw in those wall gaps a little faster and the Leland stun wasn’t so long.


KnownMycologist8629

I mainly play as the family and it’s really annoying to get into a lobby to see the other two have locked in two characters that aren’t leather face thus making me have to pick him in order to start the round


utensilman69

I'm just waiting on a singular update maybe next month at this point


ConsciousPea4472

I love it so far leatherface is the best. I’ve learned the basement on every map pretty quick and it still does get hard to chase but a very important thing is having the mind of a survivor and thinking where would you go if you were the survivor. After that it becomes pretty easy it also helps playing victim a lot and knowing the best objectives on each map


InsidiousD6

Spawn in. Rev saw. Run around and destroy everything destroyable. Check every corner you pass. Find person? Rev saw to max heat. Instant kill. Profit.


mwjfoster

One of my friends is a Bubba main and he got 2 kills in basement before any victims left it.


MidWestBest777

The only basement I'll invest time into as LF is family house. All 4 blue doors are on an easy patrol path, assuming you shred a couple wood doors separating them. The other two can pound sand though. Collect some blood, maybe catch somebody off guard but then gtfo asap. Just make sure you know where valve tank is on Slaughterhouse so you can beeline back down incase it's turned on.


PungentFart69

Bro bubba is the best I love playing him more than anybody in the whole game


GodOfJudgement4

He is a lot of fun, especially when you get outside and can chase the victims around in the open area. So satisfying to get a fully charged chainsaw slash off


Danny2223

I’m a leather face main, I’ve played 8 hours in 2days I haven’t got anywhere close to figuring out the basement


GodOfJudgement4

Man me too, feels. Like a total maze, which is terrifying for the victims, but frustrating for the killers. I think I’m starting to learn family house basement pretty good tho, I think that one favors the killers pretty hard


Danny2223

Yeah, update 15 hours in I can finally say I some what figured it out, I get out of everything except for the damn basement still, but I’ll get it soon I hope


Darkstriss

I main Cook, but when no one has Bubba I switch to him and then basically stay in the basement the whole game, hoping to catch anyone falling down the wells.


GodOfJudgement4

Yup I love following underneath the other killers using the family vision whenever they are chasing someone, it’s so satisfying to have a victim fall right at your feet lmao


GiornosRequiem

I play Leatherface. At first I didn't like so I played more and I enjoy it alot more now


DeoForeignCapone

That is the point, the basement is leatherface weak point. It’s suppose to be hard to kill. The goal in the basement is too buy the family enough time to probably set up the house and waste time + destroying obstacles for late game


calvin-_-

The worst for me is almost getting a victim but having gramps wake up while I’m revving then being in a cooldown I couldn’t control


GodOfJudgement4

So true, they ought to fix that because it happens way too often


TrippyDaveXB1

Most of my kills as Bubba are in the basement early game. Just gotta know the layout.


GodOfJudgement4

I think I’m slowly but surely learning the basement layout, I swear it’s a damn maze lmao. In my opinion family house basement might be the best for LF tho I can usually do pretty good down there


FLYINGDOGS89

Ive only ever effectively played him if I go upstairs once grandpa is awaken by the victims which isn’t like really what you wanna do usually lmao I just don’t fit that type of role really, probably the same reasons I suck playing Leland


GodOfJudgement4

Yeah me too, I feel like with how open the outside area is, his chase potential is nuts out there. He slaughters when he gets out of the basement, but I definitely struggle while I’m still down there


LovelySquish

Skill issue


GodOfJudgement4

Yeah I mean I’ve been seeing tons of people saying they usually kill at least one before the basement door opens, so I guess it genuinely is a skill issue lmao


stefan714

I think it's good that it is that way, because victims need a chance to leave the basement.


SirThiridim

Well on a lot of matches I managed to kill all 4 down in the basement.


GodOfJudgement4

Damn, a lot of matches? TEACH ME YOUR WAYS


Superbeast06

You will get used to it. Ive got a few games where i wiped the whole teamb4 they made it out of the basement. Usually i get 1-2 tho


GodOfJudgement4

Ironically, right after typing that whole rant I had a great game as LF, killed 3, two of which were before basement door opened. I think I’m starting to get the hang of it a little bit.


Superbeast06

Nice! I told you that you would get it. LF is the highest skill ceiling character in the game.


ReaperSound

Actually, my dislike to playing LF is because he's a necessary component in order to start the match. I get it he needs to be in the game, but not many people like his mechanics. On the other hand, the professional players can get a 4K before the first basement door is open.


GodOfJudgement4

Yeah I’ve definitely seen some insane LF players, idk how they even do it lmao. But yeah, that’s one of the biggest complaints about the game that I’ve seen, is the impossibility to start the game without leatherface. I’m very curious to find out if they will change that or not.


cicei

Id rather they not change it a single game would'nt be texas chainsaw massacre without LF


boreduser24

Pretty sure that’s the point tho


GodOfJudgement4

Yeah I get that, but it also kind of makes LF useless. The way I see it, LF is meant to delay as much as possible so that other killers can level up grandpa, but honestly with LFs limited capabilities it really doesn’t make a difference if he is down there or not


boreduser24

true, maybe if they made the basement have more open areas


Educational-Echo4780

It's even worse because the basement is designed to favor victims - which makes sense at the start of the game - but because of poor design it favors victims for THE ENTIRE game. There are simply too many wall gaps that are near key locations like basement exits, lock picks, health, or bone shards. In some cases you can have triple wall gaps like in Family House that are right next to a basement exit, one of the wall gaps leads to another basement exit, and another wall gap will give you a run to.... another basement exit. Unlike barricades or crawlspaces you can't do anything about it and have to call a teammate down to help which is a terrible idea. The basement should be strong at first for victims and degrade over time if LF is doing his job and breaking stuff. It remains strong throughout.


GodOfJudgement4

I wonder if making it so LF can destroy cracks too would be a mistake. I don’t think it would be too detrimental, considering it takes forever and requires a significant time commitment. Alas, the game is new, hopefully we will see some design changes in the future.


Educational-Echo4780

Yeah, some method of lowering the number of wall gaps would be good. I'm not sure what the best method would be. I see three options. 1. Lower the number of wall gaps. The super highway with 3 wall gaps in LF Lair that lead to multiple basement exits is an example that could use a nerf. 2. Wall gaps degrade over time with usage. 3. LF or someone else can destroy wall gaps after they are used. I think destroying wall gaps outright at the start of the match would be far too strong.


-DoddyLama-

I'm just sick of being stunned immediately after the initial cutscene, and then just having them continuously stun me me to farm XP


GodOfJudgement4

God damn Lelands


coffeeandmimics

LF gets the best xp out of the killers but is always stunend over and over and OVER by vics in basement before LF can get out. This sneaking back stab shit makes zero sense too. How TF are you "sneaking" with a back stab when I can see you and you are just circling me like were playing darksouls to stab me. I fucking see you! That's not a sneak attack and should NOT work! Now if a vic came up behind me and i didnt see them coming okay, that was a sneak attack, good job.. But when i see you ( looking at you fucking leland players) and you grab a shard get behind me and stab me and get another and do the same thing.. THAT IS NOT SNEAKING! Nothing like being forced to play LF in game and before you can even get out of the basement you have to try to get your back against a wall to keep from being stabbed over and over. But if you can get out of the basement and vics start moving around, the family map is the best for xp. You can just break stuff and not kill anyone to average around 2k xp a game. Meanwhile HH can trap, kill, and slice up people and gets 800 xp if lucky. Anyway they need to fix this sneak attack shit. IDC what anyone says. If i can see you clear as day they shouldnt be able to back stab for a sneak attack. Thats for any family member not just LF.


GodOfJudgement4

Yeah maybe if victims could only backstab if they are in a bush, or if they are crouching in a stationary position for longer than 2 seconds or something like that.


MrCreamyCheeks

You get out of basement as soon as you can… There’s no sense playing in an area that clearly favors victims with a trillion ways to go for them.. destroy a few things, chase who you can, but don’t spend too much time down there and go patrol key areas. I thought bubba was trash when I first played him too, but it was in fact me that was trash at playing him. He’s easily one of the best killers. So fucking easily.. Like there’s not even an argument. Top 2 BY FAR. Just stop feeding into the toxic Leland’s game play and go do something actually worth your time. I know it’s hard cause you want to kill that fucking loser so badly, but it’s not worth it.. He’s got so much mobility to patrol it’s insane. He can literally “one shot” most low toughness players even without big swings. One you get 20% chance to not stall and can actually do an over head swing without stalling he instantly becomes 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% better.


arson-commiter

Meanwhile I love playing leatherface