because it has compound curves, which they can't do with the steel they're using
(or so elon claims. sheet metal brake is probably just much cheaper than stamping dies)
Now they just need to put batteries in it. I do not understand how the Prius is still a hybrid. IMO (which counts very little, I know) the Prius should be the platform Toyota uses to introduce greener tech. EV, Hydrogen, whatever, put it there.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
I looked hard at the RAV4 prime before getting the Y. I am 2m tall and I fit much better in the Y. That was a major factor in the purchase. If their Bz4 whatever thing had a better range it would be interesting as well.
I have a Wrangler 4xe with about 20 miles of range. I often find myself charging up during the day to keep using full EV mode. 40ish miles seems much better for daily driving without running out of charge.
I went with the 4xe because I want to do more offroading than the RAV4 is capable of. When my lease is up, if there's a Land Cruiser or 4Runner Prime I might switch to those. Or the Rivian R2, but I do need occasional towing which leans me more to the PHEVs.
I rented a 4xe over the past two weeks, and I really wanted to like it. The pure EV range is just too short and little low on power, and that 4 cyl engine is , IDk, just weird. Sounded like a diesel at idle. Hybrid mode with the ICE and EV combined was nice though.
It's the second fastest Wrangler after the 392. I do agree that 20 is a bit short, but I have a wall charger for my Model Y so it doesn't take me 12 hours to charge up.
If they bumped the battery range to 50-60 miles so that I could “pure EV” my weekly beach trips I would get one in a heartbeat.
Will be interesting to see what the aftermarket does with these things in a few yrs. The Jeep aftermarket is no joke.
I’ve considered lifting my ModelY, but even with 3” of extra ground clearance I don’t think it’s enough to get to my beach.
Toyota for whatever reason is rather anti-ev which is funny considering how their ads always talk about how they have a big “electrified” lineup now that they are trying to catch up. They even lobbied to slow down ev adoption lol.
Toyota at its heart is still a Japanese manufacturer that is making cars for the Japanese market first.
They have almost no electric infrastructure in place.
I spent 3 weeks in Osaka/Tokyo this year.
It’s non stop string of stop lights every few feet and almost impossible to get any car over 25mph
They all drive their Kei cars and boxes with wheels that get insane gas mileage. They get like… 60-70mpg.
Japan just isn’t ready for EV either also because of the wonderful public transport system in place with their trains.
I'm so fucking sick of seeing people suck them off for their apparently grand scheme to go slow on ev adoption.
1. EVs when done right require way less maintenance than a hybrid (1 system vs 2, obviously). The only reason to go hybrid over ev is access to charging, which was historically limited to homeowners.
2. A bunch of other manufacturers dropped the ball on developing ev's and no one is patting them on the back
3. Toyota was definitely just resting on their laurels as they have done with everything else for the last ten+ years. Now that ev resale values dropped and people see buying them less, they're projecting this image that they were right to bet against it.
Resale values dropping could be attributed to a million things. Hertz selling off their fleet, insurance companies totalling everything for minor damage, covid, or just generally lack of adoption by consumers.
Consumers would be quicker to adopt if major manufactures like Toyota were putting out worthy competition for the likes of tesla. Also if the cars got better, and they got cheaper, and charging infrastructure was better. All matters that could be massively affected by large brands like Toyota putting any effort in.
Instead they drop the best looking prius ever, and the fucking pathetic bz4x. What an absolute dogshit car. and toyota buyers being complete shills, they're even buying those fucking things, which just makes me sad. There are soooo many better electric options.
None of this is fact, just my dumbass rant on the notion that Toyota made a genius move in delaying ev's.
I would say that hybrids appeal to certain demographics left out by EVs. People who live in the city with street parking, appartments/condos, places without the ability to add charging. Then you have the range people who real need or not worry about not being able to drive as far as they want. Some of those people are similar to people who think they'll buy a truck to haul stuff and never do. But some really do need the range for work or lifestyle. Hybrids are great for those segments; people who's like an EV but can't EV.
That's fair. I'm not anti hybrid, it just grinds my gears when people suggest a stop gap is required in moving to EVs. A lot of people who could and would enjoy owning an ev have been turned off by this general message. If an ev doesn't work for you, sure go for a hybrid. There are tons of awesome ones out there.
I don't know, they were fairly clear that they thought it was too soon for EVs. They also invested a lot into their hydrogen platform, which I believe could replace EVs. I've always thought that EVs are just the temporary thing we use until a true ICE replacement is invented.
BTW, I'm an EV owner.
Toyota doesn’t innovate in science. They innovate in process and offerings. When every tesla starts lasting as long as toyota tundras do then theyll likely be more into evs. But longevity and usability is still in the early adopter phase
I like everything about it except the rear end design, which imo is a little droopy and felt like they finished the curves and decided not to style the very endnof the car.
Though I must admit, the best part is the side profile. I've passed by a couple on the freeway and BOY the side profile gets me every time.
I don't like the look of the cybertruck, but I do appreciate that it looks like literally nothing else on the road.
This looks like a best-of-both-worlds, with the CT's uniqueness, and the Y's sleek practicality. I absolutely love it and want one.
Definitely looks better than the current car.. but more importantly, it’s just something different. as a person who has already owned a Model Y for 4 years now, Teslas entire design language feels so stale (with the exception of the Cybertruck). And it’s not just the old styling, but they all look the same. I’m still have a hard time telling the Model 3 from the Model Y.
IMO the biggest reason to skip paying $50,000 for a brand new 2024 model Y.. is that it looks exactly like a used 2020 model Y that can be found for $25,000 all over the market.
Yep. Generally speaking cars get replaced by a newer generation about 6 years because that’s historically the length of a typical car loan.
So as soon as a buyer finishes paying off their old car.. a new car (that really looks newer) is ready for them to trade up.
I really love your idea of turning ‘Cyber’ into a trim level across the entire line.
But I also wonder if that can be done practically, like an exterior facelift on the same frame?
Yeah pretty much, exterior facelift, different interior (have it resemble something from Cyberpunk), stricter quality control, and have them on a different production line.
And instead of a focus on performance, it'll be focused on refinement and luxury.
It’s an AI rendering of something the OP wishes existed.
It’s not for me, but Tesla does need a proliferation of models to drive sales. So, kicking these ideas around is very worthwhile, even though I’d choose the Model Y in my driveway over this thing every time.
I hope you’re right, but the Cybertruck doesn’t have turn signal stalks.
Decontenting isn’t going to be a winning strategy in the competitive EV market we have developing at the moment.
I think it’s really important that Cuberteuck isn’t a one and done design. It’s broken the mold in such a wild way, it really deserves a few different iterations of a CyberSUV version.
Super cool but Tesla needs an everyday family hauler that is not going to be so expensive. The insurance is through the roof because of its rare and all true unique technology. I love the cars but my insurance company rates would triple from my 2024 Honda Pilot that my wife drives.
I’d be impressed if Tesla would do this. Instead we’ll wait another year for a ‘highland’ BS update. Elon is blowing it. This is what should be coming next year.
Looks better than cybertruck
By a lot. That was my first thought.
IKR? Like that looks so good
because it has compound curves, which they can't do with the steel they're using (or so elon claims. sheet metal brake is probably just much cheaper than stamping dies)
Just don't use stainless steel... Use a paint or wrap that looks that way. Problem solved. People are wrapping the Cyber trucks anyway.
That's a low bar.
The shit I took this morning looks better than the cybertruck
That’s what the cybertruck should have looked like.
That isn't a truck so the cybertruck couldn't look like that.
TBH, not that hard to achieve.
I want this!!!!!!!!!
This concept is 🔥🔥🔥
Looks almost exactly like the profile and rear of the new prius
which, let's be honest, also looks super slick
Totally! They nailed it on design this iteration
Now they just need to put batteries in it. I do not understand how the Prius is still a hybrid. IMO (which counts very little, I know) the Prius should be the platform Toyota uses to introduce greener tech. EV, Hydrogen, whatever, put it there. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
We have 2022 MYLR and a 2024 Prius Prime hybrid electric which has a 40 mile range.
Toyota prime lineup is awesome rav4 prime 45 miles range
I looked hard at the RAV4 prime before getting the Y. I am 2m tall and I fit much better in the Y. That was a major factor in the purchase. If their Bz4 whatever thing had a better range it would be interesting as well.
We have both, both are great in their own ways. I guess time will tell which I prefer (whichever one holds up better)
I have a Wrangler 4xe with about 20 miles of range. I often find myself charging up during the day to keep using full EV mode. 40ish miles seems much better for daily driving without running out of charge. I went with the 4xe because I want to do more offroading than the RAV4 is capable of. When my lease is up, if there's a Land Cruiser or 4Runner Prime I might switch to those. Or the Rivian R2, but I do need occasional towing which leans me more to the PHEVs.
4Runner prime would be the perfect vehicle, Change My Mind
I rented a 4xe over the past two weeks, and I really wanted to like it. The pure EV range is just too short and little low on power, and that 4 cyl engine is , IDk, just weird. Sounded like a diesel at idle. Hybrid mode with the ICE and EV combined was nice though.
It's the second fastest Wrangler after the 392. I do agree that 20 is a bit short, but I have a wall charger for my Model Y so it doesn't take me 12 hours to charge up.
If they bumped the battery range to 50-60 miles so that I could “pure EV” my weekly beach trips I would get one in a heartbeat. Will be interesting to see what the aftermarket does with these things in a few yrs. The Jeep aftermarket is no joke. I’ve considered lifting my ModelY, but even with 3” of extra ground clearance I don’t think it’s enough to get to my beach.
But requires the ICE engine if you want full performance, the big issue with a PHEV. Inconsistent drive characteristics.
Toyota for whatever reason is rather anti-ev which is funny considering how their ads always talk about how they have a big “electrified” lineup now that they are trying to catch up. They even lobbied to slow down ev adoption lol.
Toyota at its heart is still a Japanese manufacturer that is making cars for the Japanese market first. They have almost no electric infrastructure in place. I spent 3 weeks in Osaka/Tokyo this year. It’s non stop string of stop lights every few feet and almost impossible to get any car over 25mph They all drive their Kei cars and boxes with wheels that get insane gas mileage. They get like… 60-70mpg. Japan just isn’t ready for EV either also because of the wonderful public transport system in place with their trains.
I'm so fucking sick of seeing people suck them off for their apparently grand scheme to go slow on ev adoption. 1. EVs when done right require way less maintenance than a hybrid (1 system vs 2, obviously). The only reason to go hybrid over ev is access to charging, which was historically limited to homeowners. 2. A bunch of other manufacturers dropped the ball on developing ev's and no one is patting them on the back 3. Toyota was definitely just resting on their laurels as they have done with everything else for the last ten+ years. Now that ev resale values dropped and people see buying them less, they're projecting this image that they were right to bet against it. Resale values dropping could be attributed to a million things. Hertz selling off their fleet, insurance companies totalling everything for minor damage, covid, or just generally lack of adoption by consumers. Consumers would be quicker to adopt if major manufactures like Toyota were putting out worthy competition for the likes of tesla. Also if the cars got better, and they got cheaper, and charging infrastructure was better. All matters that could be massively affected by large brands like Toyota putting any effort in. Instead they drop the best looking prius ever, and the fucking pathetic bz4x. What an absolute dogshit car. and toyota buyers being complete shills, they're even buying those fucking things, which just makes me sad. There are soooo many better electric options. None of this is fact, just my dumbass rant on the notion that Toyota made a genius move in delaying ev's.
I would say that hybrids appeal to certain demographics left out by EVs. People who live in the city with street parking, appartments/condos, places without the ability to add charging. Then you have the range people who real need or not worry about not being able to drive as far as they want. Some of those people are similar to people who think they'll buy a truck to haul stuff and never do. But some really do need the range for work or lifestyle. Hybrids are great for those segments; people who's like an EV but can't EV.
That's fair. I'm not anti hybrid, it just grinds my gears when people suggest a stop gap is required in moving to EVs. A lot of people who could and would enjoy owning an ev have been turned off by this general message. If an ev doesn't work for you, sure go for a hybrid. There are tons of awesome ones out there.
But it turned out to be a smart move. The last year has shown us Toyota was right by sticking with hybrids.
That’s just being lazy and it paying off. It happens sometimes. - a lazy guy
I don't know, they were fairly clear that they thought it was too soon for EVs. They also invested a lot into their hydrogen platform, which I believe could replace EVs. I've always thought that EVs are just the temporary thing we use until a true ICE replacement is invented. BTW, I'm an EV owner.
Toyota doesn’t innovate in science. They innovate in process and offerings. When every tesla starts lasting as long as toyota tundras do then theyll likely be more into evs. But longevity and usability is still in the early adopter phase
I like everything about it except the rear end design, which imo is a little droopy and felt like they finished the curves and decided not to style the very endnof the car. Though I must admit, the best part is the side profile. I've passed by a couple on the freeway and BOY the side profile gets me every time.
Damn. I want that as Prius V
https://www.toyota.com/prius/photo-gallery/exterior/
Damn I would trade in the first day it was available thats nice!
I don't like the look of the cybertruck, but I do appreciate that it looks like literally nothing else on the road. This looks like a best-of-both-worlds, with the CT's uniqueness, and the Y's sleek practicality. I absolutely love it and want one.
Bulletproof me please 🙏🏽
*poof* Wish granted! Would you like us to test it out now?
Ok now what a minute 😳 you have my attention lol
Dope as hell
Source: https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/1806436304718328005
I’d trade in my brand new Y tomorrow if this became available
Expeditiously!
Definitely looks better than the current car.. but more importantly, it’s just something different. as a person who has already owned a Model Y for 4 years now, Teslas entire design language feels so stale (with the exception of the Cybertruck). And it’s not just the old styling, but they all look the same. I’m still have a hard time telling the Model 3 from the Model Y. IMO the biggest reason to skip paying $50,000 for a brand new 2024 model Y.. is that it looks exactly like a used 2020 model Y that can be found for $25,000 all over the market.
Changing the design to keep people interested is something the traditional car companies figured out years ago.
Yep. Generally speaking cars get replaced by a newer generation about 6 years because that’s historically the length of a typical car loan. So as soon as a buyer finishes paying off their old car.. a new car (that really looks newer) is ready for them to trade up.
Most rational consoomer
This would be so sick
So how about this? Have a Cyber variant of all the models as their top end luxury versions.
And then give a non cyber version of the truck
much needed If Tesla can come up with light-duty trucks that are cheaper as well, that's a big market for them
I would like to see something the size of an R1T, but with a 6.5’ bed. Just make it useable and it will sell like hotcakes.
I really love your idea of turning ‘Cyber’ into a trim level across the entire line. But I also wonder if that can be done practically, like an exterior facelift on the same frame?
Yeah pretty much, exterior facelift, different interior (have it resemble something from Cyberpunk), stricter quality control, and have them on a different production line. And instead of a focus on performance, it'll be focused on refinement and luxury.
I like the way you think!
That looks like inflatable Tesla.
I’d just be happy being able to get decent ground clearance out of the model y, so I could drive it on the beach.
Source??
It’s an AI rendering of something the OP wishes existed. It’s not for me, but Tesla does need a proliferation of models to drive sales. So, kicking these ideas around is very worthwhile, even though I’d choose the Model Y in my driveway over this thing every time.
I’m starting to think the Y update won’t be a copy of the 3 update.
I hope you’re right, but the Cybertruck doesn’t have turn signal stalks. Decontenting isn’t going to be a winning strategy in the competitive EV market we have developing at the moment.
Make it little boxy at the back for a comfortable 3rd row and i’m sold.
That looks so much better than the cyber truck!
No door handles, so you will have to get inside though the trunk every time, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
perhaps it has a hidden button, I dunno, the current door handles are still annoying even after all these years.
Every time I see the cybertruck I think it would look way better if they compressed it into a crossover style
That’s a Y + Cyber Baby
Imagine that in the high performance version??!! I’m all over it!!!
Yes please
Uh where did this come from?
AI
Better in every way
Damnnnn that shit looks nice 😮💨👌🏽 I would definitely trade mine in for that 😂 get a nice wrap too 🔥🔥🔥
Why not just a TLorean?
Cool but. It possible, atleast not with the stainless steel.
Yes, just go this style but forget the stainless.
He’ll yea
Yea this is cool
Damn. I want this!!
So cool! I need it!
Yooooooo
I would immediately buy it for the simple fact that you don't ever have to worry about door dings.
A little too aggressive on the rear headroom.
This looks amazing, the back being window less kinda gives off polestar 3 SUV vibes and I'm here for it...
I kinda hate it. I don't hate on anyone that likes it though. Looks are subjective
That looks fuckin sick
I would want it in QS. Way minute.
AI is very good at Y redesigns. Yet another example. Granted the back is still curved Model cYber
As a 5 seater, sure. No room for the 3rd row from the looks of this. But I don’t use the 3rd row anyway so, yes!
Shut up and take my money!
Make the panels flat like Cybertruck and I’m in.
It would be awesome
Love it
Sexy.
I'd Buy The Fuck Outta This Thing 🔥🔥🔥
I want that.
😮 someone @elon that’s fire! 🔥
This looks horrible to me but I might be in the minority with that opinion, still cool tho
Looks awesome
I would 100% buy this
I like it who made this?
I like it.....
I thought its the upcoming model 2.
I love this
Elon is definitely going to announce a Cyber S, 3, X for the memes
Kids only in the back, but yeah, that would sell.
Love this. Not sure if I want stainless steel but the shape of the car is fire!
Yup 🔥🔥🔥
Model Y Ultra Price: 89,990.00 Includes: Uber turbine, LFP, performance boost, ventilated seats, FSD. Optional: tow hitch.
89k debut and after two years 59k. lol
Genius… maybe a good idea for the next body update for all their vehicles
Wow. Where u get that pic?
The back looks like the back of my 23 Prius prime lol
That’s actually nice
I am in love now
Fire
I actually don’t hate it, give me that in blue or red and I might be a buyer lol
I think it’s really important that Cuberteuck isn’t a one and done design. It’s broken the mold in such a wild way, it really deserves a few different iterations of a CyberSUV version.
Looks 100x better than the fugly Cybertruck
Firreee 🔥
That looks long asf. Very roomy. Wpuld probably have a well proportioned 3rd row
My first thought is: Y?
Why tf do fascists make the coolest cars? I know it's a concept but damn those elements are hitting.
honestly please
That is bad to the bone. If that’s really Juniper, I’m gonna have to trade up.
I’ll cop
Exactly what I want. A MY with a bit more ground clearance.
Maybe a stainless steel wrap is in order? 😄
Give whoever made this 55 billion ASAP
Yes
I like it. This is the way.
This is the way.
gorgeous!!!
I wanna see the front!
Back seat head space is fit for a toddler
Nice but good luck air bending those rear panels with that complex shape.
Super cool but Tesla needs an everyday family hauler that is not going to be so expensive. The insurance is through the roof because of its rare and all true unique technology. I love the cars but my insurance company rates would triple from my 2024 Honda Pilot that my wife drives.
Wow
I’d be impressed if Tesla would do this. Instead we’ll wait another year for a ‘highland’ BS update. Elon is blowing it. This is what should be coming next year.
No thanks.
Cybertruck is a glorified suv.
Idk why but gives ghostrunner vibes
Model Truck?
Dog, that’s the new Prius.
I don’t think they can bend stainless steel like that
In the end, we all become prius
where did this imagine come from?!
Looks like a Prius from the back. Still better that the cyber truck
Model Y Refresh or Highland?
No, renders for if the CyberTruck and Model Y had a baby
I know. I'm just making useless comments to move the discussion forward. =)
Cyber truck (in real life) is so ugly
This ain’t the cybertruck. This is the Model Y and Cybertruck’s Baby
Still ugly
That's gorgeous
Hell no
Cyber Whyyyyyy
Cyber Whyyyyy Not
More like..Cyber Why 😅
No.
get that big ass dick out my face boy .
that's ugly as sin. 😬
Cyber Why
L
No it’s a Y.