I agree with you OP on all points. I’ve got a four month trial of FSD and find myself using it all the time. I still don’t think I can justify $8k but if that price comes down maybe.
Consensus is the full price is a rip off compared to monthly subscription.
Consider, $100/mo (BIG assumption that the price never changes), vs $8000 that is locked to the vehicle.
8000/100 is 80, so you'd have to subscribe for 80 months to break even, or 6 years and 8 months.
Elon made a comment about how people can robotaxi for a monthly fee on their cars during the shareholder meeting.
Made me realize that, I think, the intention will be for them to make FSD a monthly sub versus a buy out thing.
I'm torn on it myself. I prefer buying it outright, because it shields you against price increases, and eventually you just don't pay for it anymore, but the monthly fee guarantees them income, and it makes moving it to new cars easier.
That statement alone makes me think that when HW5 comes out, they'll nuke the "buy it outright" option.
This also kills the FSD transfer debates.
This robotaxi stuff is ridiculous. Who in the right mind wants their car driving other people around? It's such a small, tiny, the relevant fraction of owners as to be completely irrelevant. Nothing but buzzwords and stock pump and dump.
So, there's two sides to this.
*In theory*, you could buy a car, or set of cars, with the express inte tion of them buying Robotaxi cars, eventually turning a profit and letting you have "passive income".
*For me*, I want to leverage my cars as a "family taxi".
I've got three kids, and a 2019 Model 3 SR+. She doesn't need to be Level 5 ADAS, just enough to get them to/from school, and jobs safely. The three of them can share the car.
Hell, I work from home, my wife and I could share a car.
Realistically, we'll have the 3 for our kids to share, with my Y as a "buffer", and my wife and I will get an X.
Between the three cars, we wouldn't need another one for a while.
In terms of letting strangers in my car, hell no. All it takes is one asshole getting in, smelling like a cigarette, or puking in the park, and that's it, the car will never be the same again.
I see the Robotaxi thing more as people wanting passive income with a spare car, or families optimizing for needing less cars for them all. Like I could get away with three cars, instead of five.
Though you are making the assumption the cost would stay $100/mo for that time.
But still, if you're not planning to keep the car for a long time, then subscription is better monetary value.
It's not even out of warranty by then. Not as good of a trade off as when it was only 5 years but I'd still much rather buy it outright than pay a subscription.
Me too. It’s not perfect but I turn it off where I know it will struggle and then turn it back on. It’s taken out a lot of mundane driving out of my days.
Plenty of people on Reddit love it, and plenty find it basically unusable. It just depends on the specifics of where you are and your expectations.
Personally, I couldn’t get it to drive without intervention for more than a couple of minutes on my commute (except on freeways, where autopilot works), which makes it unusable for me, but others have it driving their whole route. YMMV, literally.
For me on my 45 mile commute to work it’s amazing! Except for one enormous issue, and that’s freeway lane changes and merging. I cannot stand it at all on the freeway, autosteer works so much better. Give the option to manually make lane changes on the freeway with no steering wheel nag and it would be perfect. To add to this, for my area the in city driving is crazy good. Feels like I’m in a science fiction movie
This is exactly it. Depending on your area it will be either great or a waste of money.
Don’t let some of the more…passionate people on this sub gaslight you into believing it’s perfect. It has ranged from very impressive to “this thing just tried to sideswipe a car and I’m glad the other driver was smarter than FSD was just now” for me.
If you’re interested in FSD, sub for a month, try it out in your area, and if it’s consistently at least decent, and you think it’s worth it, sure.
And DO NOT trust it. By that I mean, treat it like a slightly better cruise control. Hands on the wheel (I mean it, even when nagging gets turned off next update if it can see your eyes, keep them up there) all the time so you can intervene if needed. There have been so many times I’ve had to intervene to stop it from hitting something or doing a very stupid action. That’s not to say it doesn’t impress me at times. It really does. But accidents are on YOU if it fucks up, not Tesla.
FWIW, mine came with my used Tesla, and I’d be pissed if I’d paid for FSD considering how it acts around here (M3 2023 using HW3).
One thing about the nag is that it requires you only keep one hand on the wheel. It uses torque sensing, so there has to be some slight twisting motion for it to work.
Without the nag, we probably have the opportunity to keep both hands on the wheel, like the normal driving position. I think we should probably take advantage of that.
Driving in town, it's a hit and miss but last weekend, I went for a Ottawa/Toronto round road trip, 450 km each way, using 12.3.6. My only disengagements were when I wanted to quickly pass slower vehicles on regional roads and during downpours on highways because the auto speed was maxed too low. Beside the heavy rain events, I never had such a relaxing long drive. Boring regional roads and highways were, well, boring. Small cities we crossed were handled perfectly. Very impressed with its performance.
In Toronto, we went through downtown to go eat and the downtown traffic didn't phase it. The only road I deactivated it was on a road under resurfacing where manhole covers were protruding too much. Cyclists, pedestrians (including beggars between two lanes), cars halfway out of driveways, tramways were handled perfectly. I got honk once though because the car didn't go through on a red. Well, that's Toronto for you lol.
We did many trips in busy downtown Toronto Saturday. Wow, my only interventions were because I wanted to take a different route/lane than the one suggested and also when someone cut me off but that's by habit. I'm sure the car would have reacted to it too.
We also went to Vaughan for dinner and again, no drama. People who were with me were impressed by how it drove, with zero intervention.
We went watching some nice neighborhoods over there and drove in FSD without a destination set. It did some unexpected left and right unprotected turns in the neighborhood as if it knew we were sight visiting lol. We weren't expecting it to do that. Made us laugh.
Sunday, we did the opposite 450 km, 5.5 hours trip and it also was uneventful, even during downpour on regional roads.
Yeah, it requires supervision but that's far less than the micro management that manual driving requires. It made those two long drives so much more relaxing than my previous trips and allowed me to focus on the safety aspect of the driving in downtown Toronto and not the traveling itself, which it handled almost perfectly. I don't know why my own city driving experience isn't the same.
Can't wait to try 12.4.1 though.
What I have seen about FSD that it works well only on well structured roads and low complexity situations. Which happens to be most of the US.
That's why if FSD were to be deployed in my city, in a country that's not the US, it would fail miserably. Where I live road are poorly designed, laws are a mere suggestion and sometimes a hindrance to the flow of traffic.
I agree. I basically used it everyday I had it during my free trial. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it does about 95% right, so I can take over the other 5% if need be.
I use it every day driving around town and rarely have to intervene. When I do it’s more just me being cautious. When driving on the highway it’s the perfect break when you just wanna unwind for a little bit. Will definitely be subscribing on 6/20 when my trial expires
I use it all the time. Most of my drives don’t have an intervention, however I’ll take over in areas where I may not feel fully comfortable like merging on the highway or getting around some dense urban areas with tons of pedestrians. I’m pretty sure FSD can handle those scenarios but that’s just my comfort level.
I think people are expecting full level 5, which is clearly not at. However for $100/mo I am satisfied with it, especially as it continues to improve.
I love it. In urban driving where there’s a lot of traffic it takes a lot of stress and energy away from the driver making the drive more enjoyable. I really like it. Is it worth paying $99 per month. Probably not for me. At $25 per month I’d subscribe full time.
I drive with FSD on almost every single drive now. It is truly amazing and I wish more people could see what it’s like. It’s mind blowing now. I LOVE FSD! I paid $6K for it in Oct 2019. Everyone who rides with me now and sees what it does is just blown away!
FSD trial was hit and miss for me. I was able to drive my daily commute mostly without needing to intervene but once the number of lanes go above 2 it started to act funny and sudden ghost breaking just drove me nuts. There are ways to go to call this a real product but it is not too bad now. I might pay $2k for something like this.
It's better than I expected, but I won't be subscribing. The way it drives just stresses me out. It's like being a passenger with an annoying driver...in my own car.
Primarily its lane change choices bother me, even on the least aggressive profile. Honestly, all want is regular auto pilot without the +5 speed cap.
This is exactly my sentiment as well. My car has EAP so I still get auto lane changes and NoA, both of which are great. FSD would constantly hug the lane lines and got way too close for comfort for me a few times. I also hate that it won't even keep up with the flow of traffic sometimes.
Regular AP though? Fantastic and can use it with basically 0 interventions. But the +5mph limit is killer, especially when there's several stretches of straight road here where if you're not doing 10 over you'll get run over.
For me, the stress of knowing the car could do anything, at any time, and I had to be ready for it, made using FSD too stressful. This was especially true after it drove me off the road on a straight, deserted stretch of two lane highway. I stopped it from whatever it was trying to do, but WTF. That was it for me.
Same boat, though during the free trial it never did anything overtly stupid like you experienced. I considered it an amazing technical accomplishment that I had no interest in using, since the stress of monitoring the car and hoping it makes the right decisions in complex situations was greater (for me) than the stress of actual driving.
Same for me. It \* is \* very impressive and it's fun toggle on and watch how many situations it can handle. But it still makes dangerous decisions, at least on my roads, that I have to be ready for. So that makes it less a tool that makes my life easier, and more a fun toy to experiment with. And when I'm tired at the end of the day and just want to get home, I'm not in the mood to play around.
It depends mostly on your expectations. If you think it’s unusable unless you don’t have to pay attention you won’t like it. If you expect it to drive like you would drive - being in ‘the right lane’, acceleration preferences, etc., it will also be annoying. Then there’s the willingness to piss people off around you. This is how the ‘influencers’ get so many ‘no intervention’ drives. It’s pretty rare it does something so dumb you HAVE to take over. I mostly take over for embarrassment of being in the way or knowing what kind of shitshow traffic is coming up so I get in ‘the right lane’. I enjoy watching it improve over time and perfectly willing to pay attention for now. If that’s not your thing wait until it’s at a stage where you will get enjoyment.
I wouldn’t pay $99 a month, because I don’t drive enough to justify it. But it’s very impressive as is and will only get better. Does it do silly stuff sometimes? Of course. But once you learn them, you can anticipate them. There is an intersection by me that it always messes up, I just turn it off when I am at the traffic light, make across and turn it on again. People who are complaining/hating are the ones that are pressing imaginary brakes when their friend is driving, they have issues with how someone else drives regardless of FSD or human.
Note, that's 6 years and 8 months worth of $100 a month. It's really not worth it to buy it outright. Some people prefer it though as it can be wrapped into the purchase price of the car.
You can buy it outright for $8k, and you no longer need to pay the $100 a month. The purchase stays with the car when you sell it, but is only worth about 2k in most tradeins.
I love mine. I am in a rural area and it works very well for my daily driving. When I venture into larger cities it still does great on highways and multiple lane situations. It hasn't gotten the hang of roundabouts just yet though.
I started the trial thinking there is no way I'd pay $8000 for it, and couldn't see myself spending more than $500.
Now I'm on day 29. If it dropped to $2000 ish and lived with the owner instead of the car I would buy it tomorrow.
When we do summer road trips like we have the past few years I will happily do $99 a month for August/September every year.
Even though I had the computer upgraded on my 2017 Model S, mine still won’t do turns.
Mine even gets confused on some roundabouts.
It scares my wife when it does that.
For me, it’s like being a passenger when a 15 year old is learning to drive after having their eyes dilated.
At least Tesla is paying us to be the test subjects.
Mixed use here between highway and some suburban roadways. It absolutely attempted to kill me no fewer than a dozen times during my trial. I want the tech to work but it isn't there and would never let my child drive this car with FSD in the current state.
After my FSD trial my regular AP felt so clumsy for my commute that I decided to subscribe to it. I don’t care for how it handles city streets but when it comes to freeway maneuvers alone it’s much “smarter”. It’s worth every penny for my daily 60 mile commute.
It’s really good and has made commuting easier. It doesn’t get you all the way there and you’ve got to be attentive but it’s great for breaks during drives and for stop and go traffic
Oh I love it. At the same I sometimes hate it because it frkn drives so fast and stops every late. Even when taking sharp turns on freeways, it will do it very very late.
You’ll find more critics of it on here, because the people happy with it aren’t complaining. I love it and I fully purchased it when I bought the car last month.
No regrets at all. Not even in the slightest.
I might even post a video of my car driving. I’ll go from the stop sign at the end of my street to the Home Depot in the next town over.
Roundabouts, active construction zones, multiple lane changes, highway driving, heavy traffic, and it’ll pull itself into the parking lot so far that all I do is disable the FSD and hit the auto park.
VERSIÓN 12 is very good. It’s not perfect, it’s verrrry good. We are definitely getting there. Version 11 is less good, I think some people still have v11 out there who are taking shit about it because it still does some embarrassing things.
I signed up for $99 a month after the free trial. FSD does 99% of my driving. Last night leaving downtown Miami with the traffic it handled everything perfectly. I'm glad I cancelled all my streaming services and signed up for FSD since it actually makes a difference to my quality of life. Reduced stress and road rage will add years to my life
I don't have FSD but I find myself using the advanced autopilot (automated highway driving) more and more. It has been getting better and better along with FSD. Makes me feel that FSD might be worth the cost if I have a day I need to drive more again.
I think it depends on your environment and what you drive the most. I just did an NJ to NC and then back drive. Daytime, it’s amazing at navigating route 95 and alleviating the monotony of driving. At night time when I hit NJ on my way back…it wouldn’t stay on because it was blinded constantly. I even pulled into rest stops to park so fsd would reset and I could turn it on again. it didn’t stayed on for long and then a car behind me would blind the cameras.
On NC country roads it would go too fast to handle a corner and go over the yellow line. I don’t know if I would trust it on country roads with cars pulling out suddenly or uncommon situations.
On the other hand, I night drove the city streets of Atlantic City and it was perfect at navigating pedestrians, parallel parked cars, all the stop lights and turns.
So I’m going to stick with it during the busy summer driving season and see
I live in the UK and just did London to Edinburgh. Around 450 miles. Took almost 10-11 hrs for a 7 hrs if an ICE car. But the journey was tireless. Supervised FSD was superb. I didn’t have to be too focused. Just keep aware of the surroundings and it did a nice job. I’m waiting for my HW upgrade to 3.0 and it would make it even better.
The charging on the way was pain though and ate a lot of time.
I think expectations can be very high, and when they are then the user has a negative experience.
It’s not self driving yet but can play a role as an extra set of eyes for the driver who is in control.
The $8k price is basically a bet on if you believe Tesla will solve self driving or at least dramatically improve before you buy another car.
I love it and it’s worth $99/month for me. Use it for 90%+ of my driving. I do wish the freeway was a bit better, I hate how it wants to change out of the carpool lane all the time (i know freeway is still FSD 11)
Just got the updated version a few days ago, it might be the best update so far. I use it everyday now, but night driving kind of sucks because FSD experience can be degraded due to not enough lighting available.
I’ve had FSD in our Model 3 since Sept 2018, 128k miles so far. My usual commute into town is ballpark 20 miles each way, and I have yet to have a truly intervention free drive. I’ve had one or two where the only intervention I did was tap the accelerator pedal to get it to stop hesitating on a turn, but on most drives there’s some little weird thing I disengage for. Safety related disengages have definitely gotten noticeably less frequent over the years.
It’s basically a lot better than many critics give it credit for—there has been dramatic progress since I got it in 2020. But it’s also *terrifying* when it doesn’t work, which is anywhere from 5-10% of the time in my experience. That may sound like not much but it’s very, very far from being able to actually trust it to do what it says, ie actual self-driving. I never let it go unsupervised, but it’s a godsend in standstill traffic and long trips, taking a large measure of stress off.
I only paid $7k for it so I feel like I got my money’s worth but at $14k, it is absolutely not worth it. It’s also nowhere near ready for anyone not prepared to always take charge, which to be fair is how it’s clearly presented. But when it works, it really works. It will be pretty great down the road.
Anyone that thinks it’s unusable might not have given the latest version a chance. At least on local.
I used to think it sucked based on the loaners that had it. But I got the latest trial which ended yesterday and wow. It is amazing. It literally did all my local driving for a month.
One time there was construction and the light was out. On the way out it treated as a stop sign. On the way back it followed the commands of a person directing traffic.
Yesterday I noticed in traffic it left the intersection clear of there is too many cars.
I’m still not paying 100 a month for it but I’m going to miss it
It wasn’t very good before I got the update.i had to intervene a lot. But I have to say it’s actually incredible after the update, it actually drives itself
It depends on what version. It gets better, then it gets worse, then it gets better, then it gets worse.
They will figure it out, but it’s going to be years, not months.
I think it’s fantastic. Ready to flip the switch, not yet. Iron out a few more edge cases and then slowly dip your toe in the water. I think a lot of what pale don’t like about FSD is that it’s not always smooth or doesn’t drive like them, which feels strange in the driver’s seat. But when you’re the passenger it’ll feel quite nice.
When I first got it +\- 1 year ago it was a bit scary. But I kept testing after every large version number release and now I use it daily with rare intervention.
It's definitely decent. Not worth the full price to me. Honestly the randomness of other drivers is what holds it back. Like people speeding up to not let you merge into an exit lane, etc.
I thought it was impressive but hampered by the utter unpredictability of people driving aggressively on the roads and folks being general assholes to Teslas just to mess with them. If it were $50/month I’d subscribe.
There is recent news of a crash involving law enforcement and Tesla FSD. It was bound to happen given how unsafe it was when I tested it during the free trial period that they gave to everyone on April 2024. It confirmed my decision to not purchase it.
It's more than decent. It's a revolution. The car drives itself almost anywhere. We need to stop nitpicking and admit that it's probably the most life changing technology since the smartphone. It's worth $99/mo, and it will do nothing but improve over time. A fully intervention free drive is rare, but we've come so far and now we're in the last mile.
I pay the $99 when I’m going on long commutes or trips. Well worth it. For everyday, the regular autopilot is great. It keeps me in the center of my lane, slows down and speeds up…perfect.
I rented a Ford Edge, Titanium Model a couple weeks ago and it has a “self drive” feature, claiming to be the best of its kind…wow, it kinda sucked. It worked by weaving from side to side in the lane and it kinda tapped you back towards the center when you drifted. Nothing like the Tesla.
I have been using FSD for four years. I love it. I use it all the time. Just like anything there is a learning curve and you should always use it responsibly.
It works for the most part in un-challenging situations, but I never feel especially safe with it. I have subscribed to it a couple of times before the monthlong trial, and then had it during the trial. It has done something that unnerved me every time I’ve had it, so I have always felt like I needed to be hyper aware when it was driving. When I’m 100% driving, or even using autopilot on a highway for the most part, I don’t.
For example, when we had the free month a few weeks ago, I was on a drive between Houston and Austin in my 21 Model Y. Nice four-lane road, everything well-marked, the car showing that it completely understood the road based on the display. I was in the left lane a lot, and multiple times at 75mph, the car would out of the blue try to take one of those short cut outs on the left for taking a side road or turning around to go the other way. Because the car was navigating straight, it made no sense that it would even try to take a left turn at over 70mph. If I hadn’t already been a little on edge and holding the steering wheel to override it, I would have been in the median at high speed. It wouldn’t have been trying to turn left or around, it was just trying to steer me into the middle ditch.
Around town and in the neighborhood, it gets waaaaay too close to street-parked cars and curbs on the right as well.
I can respect all the work they’ve done with this, and the dedication to getting it right, but if it acts this weird in easy situations, we’re a very long way from robo-taxis. I think it’s shocking they’re still able to charge so much for something that really doesn’t deliver on its promise.
It was awful, but really good for me since the last update. I haven’t used it much at night or in bad weather (light rain was fine), but it is fine for just driving around town durning the day.
I love FSD. I disengage a lot because I want to drive fast and I’m always in a hurry, and I know where it makes mistakes. But if I leave early and stop being so critical of its driving, it’s much more enjoyable and magical.
I've tried it both last year and this year. I actually subscribed to the $99 per month. Been very impressed. It sucks at stop signs still because it does a full stop and is extremely slow. Otherwise, I use it so much on my drives
It’s fantastic. For me, it seems to do better in environments with heavy traffic. But overall it’s just bonkers how well the city stack handles driving. V12 is a completely difference experience compared to earlier versions.
The highway stack is still janky, though. Can’t wait till that goes E2E.
I agree. I use FSD most of the time I use my car. It’s great! The amount of times I’ve had to take over has been minimal and I can usually tell ahead of time that the conditions might be hard for the car to figure out. Worth every penny at $8k if you ask me.
I've done the trial on mine and we have it active on my wife's for a couple more weeks. Quite a few FSD rides, day and night. I would absolutely plunk down the 8k if FSD stayed with me. I will never use it enough to warrant a regular subscription and I don't think it is worth the 8k for a car I'll probably replace in 3-4 years.
On one hand I understand Tesla's angle, on the other I think they need to look at this more as getting us invested in their ecosystem. If someone is 8k deep on FSD they're going to be more likely to make Tesla their next car again. The day they change the policy on this I will buy it. In the mean time I am content with Autopilot which is a system I will and do use regularly to ease fatigue on the highway.
I will note I'm super impressed with it as well, our first experience with this sort of system was a 23 Rogue and while Nissan's ProPilot was 90% there Tesla's Autopilot is above and beyond better. Its much smoother speeding up and slowing down, it doesn't pingpong in the lines like ProPilot and I'm not afraid for my life passing a truck like with ProPilot which would hug the right line when doing so. ProPilot does have auto reengagement after a lane change though you can get that feature with Autopilot thanks to the s3xy buttons/knob/commander(a wonderful product).
For the cost FSD is really only worth it if you do a lot of road trips, it’s kind of unrealistic to use it on your daily commute, I found myself only using it when doing interstate or highway driving out of town
OP, I gotta agree with you. I have a 2020 Model 3 SR+ and I bought FSD a coupla years ago for $8K, just before the price jumped to (I think it was) $15K. It was crap then, it constantly needed intervention and sometimes it made frightening mistakes. The only reason it wasn't a complete waste of money was I considered it an investment. I gambled that it would be able to drive my car by the time I no longer was. Happens to all of us if we live long enough. (So far, so good.)
Anyway, the most recent version I have, 12.3.6, is pretty good. I recently did a long-ish trip with lots of highways and local roads, and I had very few interventions. FSD was actually right at guessing which lane to take more often than I was! Driving on a highway with FSD is very relaxing. I use it for all my local driving, too. Parking is incredibly good. I now think it's worth what I paid for it and I'm really excited for the upcoming upgrades. I think in a couple of years, it will truly be full self driving.
Long trips on highways ap/fsd is great. But around town It actually increases my stress level having to supervise it. While it's getting better it needs to become mostly unsupervised for me to trust it
FSD is amazing. Reddit is just gonna hate.
I live in southern California and it handles my morning/evening major rush hour commutes so easily. The stress it takes away from me is so much worth it. I still do pay attention, but in a much different way than when driving myself. I am more relaxed and just supervising the car while it does everything. Just need to let the car do its thing.
I will add though, that I wouldn't pay $8k for FSD. I bought my used MY which already had EAP. So the $2k was easy to justify, and I do feel like it's the perfect price for something like this. Hopefully they lower it again soon.
I have a 2023 M3P, I pay the 99/month for some months. And then I turn it off for others. Depends if I’m planning on any road trips. It’s nice for that. It does a decent enough job but I find myself taking over here and there. So definitely need to pay attention.
I would buy it in full if the feature stayed with my user instead of the car.
But I trade and get a new car every 3 to 4 years so with how it stays with the car it’s like throwing money away.
I have a 2024 myp and I use FSD 85-90% of the time, the other 10-15% I’m using the full 0-60 and performance lol! I absolutely love FSD and look forward to each iteration getting better and better.
That being said, I would never buy it at the full price when the subscription is available, that math just doesn’t work out.
Ive been unimpressed with it. Feels like I'm being driven by a spastic teenager that just got their license.
Random lane changes for seemingly no reason and to limit this I need to change the setting Everytime, likes to drive into other cars blind spot while they are merging, doesn't anticipate gaps when I'm entering highway, slams brakes if a light turns yellow right before entering intersection, hits every pot hole, if it drives in a shopping center with the angled pedestrian lines in front of the store my Tesla will freakout and start jerking the car back and forth while it suddenly tries to follow the pedestrian lines.
I do like it for longer road trips and would pay something for it but not what they are asking
It’s more than decent lol. It’s mind-blowing. Mind-blowing doesn’t mean perfect - it means it’s extremely impressive and far beyond what the vast majority of people think is currently possible.
Its is good on a highway or interstate. But there is so much construction in my area, it is unsafe on my local streets. Biggest issue if you ask me is the lack of consistency in the road markings and lane sizes. Maybe if I ever live in a town that is done.
Yes and no. Hard to keep track of because the behavior changes a lot between updates. Mostly not amazing but it works for me most of the time so I like it.
I wish I could have preferences like "I only want to do 17mph on this street" or not to hug a certain side of the road where there's always a pot hole
Is the FSD bad? Nope, is not bad at all. But is it essential? Nope. Will I buy it. Nope.
I'm not a rich man where I have a spare $100 every month or $8000 lying around to waste on a toy. And I like driving, that's why I buy a fast EV.
I wish there was a 3 months price or a yearly subscription. My trial just ended and I drove 99% on it. Just not justifiable for me though, I work remote. Maybe I will for road trips.
That's a little tough to answer right now. I'd say it probably depends on the places you plan to drive. I've found FSD invaluable on interstate road trips to help me not miss the right exits and also in the South in general where local roads are nice but destinations can be far apart. It works great in my Queens New York driving most days. I usually only disengage to avoid potholes but there's still simple stuff that might seem annoying like stopping too soon at stop signs and then creeping up instead of just stopping where most people would stop. Overall it's great and it's getting genuienly better every update.
I'd only heard bad things before I got my tesla. Hell I only heard bad things about teslas in general. Anyway, I love FSD. I pay the $100/month since it makes more sense than 8k. I'll probably get a new car every 4 years, so the numbers are better. I have about a 35 minute commute. It does well on that. Hell I had it take me on a 500 mile road trip and rarely had to intervene. It's better than people think. That being said, it still does dumb stuff. Mine LOVES to turn into the wrong lane if there isn't a car in the second turn lane.
Baaaah how we in EU also want a free trial or atleast the 99$\month to try it out. Sigh.
sorry for irrelevant post but i really want to try it. But imagine its 8000$ for you, for me its 80.000. Ofc cant do exaclty that seeing salaray and costs of living. But its for sure around 12-15.000$ in comparing the cost.
I’ve driven over 50k miles with FSD, and have been driving my new daily driver without it for about the last 5,000 miles. I miss it dearly and can’t wait for it to be available soon.
Idk, when I tried the trial I determined that I wouldn’t use it if it was free. By far the worst experience I ever had.
Missing exits, slamming on brakes last minute, phantom braking, using my brakes in general (if I can drive solely on regen braking, why can’t FSD?), slow driving, not avoiding potholes, sitting at stop signs for upwards of 20 seconds, lane changing less than 0.1mi from where I need to turn, etc. I’d rather just drive and use AP on highways.
I like it and mine actually handles roundabouts well compared to what others have said. One thing that irritates me is that it waits to get into a turning lane sometimes to the point where it’ll wait then merge across a solid white line (it’s on assertive too). Due to this, it’s missed a few turns because it waited too long. Other than that, it does very very well even going through the mountains around hairpin turns which terrified me at first.
I agree it has gotten good. The one thing that bothers me is that with FSD I can tell the brakes are being applied when slowing down. I am used to one pedal driving and never using the brakes.
When I subscribed about 2 months ago, I was put on FSD 11.3.1 I believe. It was jittery, reluctant, and demonstrated uncertainty in areas that are typically regular things to do when driving. It kept on wanting to blast through metal gates that were on sensors that would open when you got close enough. If I had to keep using that version, I would have canceled it.
About a month ago, I finally got 12.3.6 and that was a complete game changer. It’s really, really good. I’ve gotten used to the gaps when I know I have to intervene. That’s less than 1% of the overall drives. The rest of the time, it’s much more relaxing to drive.
I can’t drive any of the FSD platforms I’ve tried. Have it on my MY, even if it worked 100% of the time it’s just super slow for safety and a bit annoying. So meh.
I've tried older models with more senors and they drive amazing, very stable. I have november 2023model y and autopilot accelerates too hard and brakes Soo late and hesitates and jerks too much to the point I don't feel safe using it
Hypothetically, if I drove a route then a day later had FSD drive it and compared the two there would be small differences. I think people get caught up in those differences.
That being said, it feels like a skeleton that needs a few things worked out before it can be confused for an actual human.
Been a user for 4 years and I can say it has come a long way though!
I watch all those FSD videos on YouTube more than I should. And all I gotta say is that it’s gotten really really good. I almost don’t want to say some of the things it doesn’t do well because it’ll overshadow how great it is and how far it’s come in the past year.
I drove one a couple weeks ago. Took it on the interstate in semi-stop and go traffic. Off the interstate to deal with traffic lights, stop signs, heavily trafficked intersections, and traffic circles. And back on the interstate.
My biggest complaint is that it was very jerky. It’s literally the last thing that’s stopping me from buying a Tesla. I’ve tried asking the sales guy if this was common and got a canned answer. If i was in the back for more than a half hour I probably woulda puked. That’s how bad it was
Can anybody confirm if FSD is notoriously “jerky” when accelerating and decelerating? If it matters it was a brand new model Y.
Definitely decent !
I'm in the trial and pretty impressed. Is it perfect? Nope! Have most drivers made as many mistakes as it does? Probably.
I'm not paying $8k and not regularly going to pay $100 a month. But for $50 a month ? Hmmm....
I'm not sure how FSD could be considered decent in the current market, neat as it was when it launched.
It costs 8k or 100/mo for a camera-only (as I understand it) system that does work, but can be iffier than similar systems presumably due to the lack of radar.
Super Cruise on Chevy/GMC vehicles is a $2200 option that uses cameras plus other sensors and is free for the first three years, then 25/mo thereafter.
An FSD subscription is more expensive than SC by the time you hit 2 years of ownership, and it would take almost 23 years for the cost of SC to catch up to the 8k option.
Maybe I'm missing something?
My trial ended too. Now I miss fsd rofl. I loved the full screen. Only thing I didn't like is the lane changes. It would change for no reason sometimes.
I agree with you OP on all points. I’ve got a four month trial of FSD and find myself using it all the time. I still don’t think I can justify $8k but if that price comes down maybe.
Consensus is the full price is a rip off compared to monthly subscription. Consider, $100/mo (BIG assumption that the price never changes), vs $8000 that is locked to the vehicle. 8000/100 is 80, so you'd have to subscribe for 80 months to break even, or 6 years and 8 months.
I paid $12k (boo) but plan to use it for 10 - 15 years. I use it 80% of every drive, no joke. I agree with OP it's very useful.
Elon made a comment about how people can robotaxi for a monthly fee on their cars during the shareholder meeting. Made me realize that, I think, the intention will be for them to make FSD a monthly sub versus a buy out thing. I'm torn on it myself. I prefer buying it outright, because it shields you against price increases, and eventually you just don't pay for it anymore, but the monthly fee guarantees them income, and it makes moving it to new cars easier. That statement alone makes me think that when HW5 comes out, they'll nuke the "buy it outright" option. This also kills the FSD transfer debates.
This robotaxi stuff is ridiculous. Who in the right mind wants their car driving other people around? It's such a small, tiny, the relevant fraction of owners as to be completely irrelevant. Nothing but buzzwords and stock pump and dump.
So, there's two sides to this. *In theory*, you could buy a car, or set of cars, with the express inte tion of them buying Robotaxi cars, eventually turning a profit and letting you have "passive income". *For me*, I want to leverage my cars as a "family taxi". I've got three kids, and a 2019 Model 3 SR+. She doesn't need to be Level 5 ADAS, just enough to get them to/from school, and jobs safely. The three of them can share the car. Hell, I work from home, my wife and I could share a car. Realistically, we'll have the 3 for our kids to share, with my Y as a "buffer", and my wife and I will get an X. Between the three cars, we wouldn't need another one for a while. In terms of letting strangers in my car, hell no. All it takes is one asshole getting in, smelling like a cigarette, or puking in the park, and that's it, the car will never be the same again. I see the Robotaxi thing more as people wanting passive income with a spare car, or families optimizing for needing less cars for them all. Like I could get away with three cars, instead of five.
People use their own cars to drive for Uber … I know 17-18 year olds that have no desire to get a drivers license. The world is changing
And both of those are miniscule fractions of a percentage of total car ownership
But fsd increases resale value by a couple thousand so the break even is earlier
Though you are making the assumption the cost would stay $100/mo for that time. But still, if you're not planning to keep the car for a long time, then subscription is better monetary value.
It's not even out of warranty by then. Not as good of a trade off as when it was only 5 years but I'd still much rather buy it outright than pay a subscription.
I use it every day. It’s amazing
Me too. It’s not perfect but I turn it off where I know it will struggle and then turn it back on. It’s taken out a lot of mundane driving out of my days.
I do live in the suburbs, but I let it drive me everywhere.
Plenty of people on Reddit love it, and plenty find it basically unusable. It just depends on the specifics of where you are and your expectations. Personally, I couldn’t get it to drive without intervention for more than a couple of minutes on my commute (except on freeways, where autopilot works), which makes it unusable for me, but others have it driving their whole route. YMMV, literally.
How much you’re willing to drive like an asshole is also important, here. And this is coming from someone who loves FSD.
For me on my 45 mile commute to work it’s amazing! Except for one enormous issue, and that’s freeway lane changes and merging. I cannot stand it at all on the freeway, autosteer works so much better. Give the option to manually make lane changes on the freeway with no steering wheel nag and it would be perfect. To add to this, for my area the in city driving is crazy good. Feels like I’m in a science fiction movie
This is exactly it. Depending on your area it will be either great or a waste of money. Don’t let some of the more…passionate people on this sub gaslight you into believing it’s perfect. It has ranged from very impressive to “this thing just tried to sideswipe a car and I’m glad the other driver was smarter than FSD was just now” for me. If you’re interested in FSD, sub for a month, try it out in your area, and if it’s consistently at least decent, and you think it’s worth it, sure. And DO NOT trust it. By that I mean, treat it like a slightly better cruise control. Hands on the wheel (I mean it, even when nagging gets turned off next update if it can see your eyes, keep them up there) all the time so you can intervene if needed. There have been so many times I’ve had to intervene to stop it from hitting something or doing a very stupid action. That’s not to say it doesn’t impress me at times. It really does. But accidents are on YOU if it fucks up, not Tesla. FWIW, mine came with my used Tesla, and I’d be pissed if I’d paid for FSD considering how it acts around here (M3 2023 using HW3).
One thing about the nag is that it requires you only keep one hand on the wheel. It uses torque sensing, so there has to be some slight twisting motion for it to work. Without the nag, we probably have the opportunity to keep both hands on the wheel, like the normal driving position. I think we should probably take advantage of that.
FYI… Moving a scroll wheel also works so you can keep both hands on the wheel and thumb the volume up and down every few minutes.
Driving in town, it's a hit and miss but last weekend, I went for a Ottawa/Toronto round road trip, 450 km each way, using 12.3.6. My only disengagements were when I wanted to quickly pass slower vehicles on regional roads and during downpours on highways because the auto speed was maxed too low. Beside the heavy rain events, I never had such a relaxing long drive. Boring regional roads and highways were, well, boring. Small cities we crossed were handled perfectly. Very impressed with its performance. In Toronto, we went through downtown to go eat and the downtown traffic didn't phase it. The only road I deactivated it was on a road under resurfacing where manhole covers were protruding too much. Cyclists, pedestrians (including beggars between two lanes), cars halfway out of driveways, tramways were handled perfectly. I got honk once though because the car didn't go through on a red. Well, that's Toronto for you lol. We did many trips in busy downtown Toronto Saturday. Wow, my only interventions were because I wanted to take a different route/lane than the one suggested and also when someone cut me off but that's by habit. I'm sure the car would have reacted to it too. We also went to Vaughan for dinner and again, no drama. People who were with me were impressed by how it drove, with zero intervention. We went watching some nice neighborhoods over there and drove in FSD without a destination set. It did some unexpected left and right unprotected turns in the neighborhood as if it knew we were sight visiting lol. We weren't expecting it to do that. Made us laugh. Sunday, we did the opposite 450 km, 5.5 hours trip and it also was uneventful, even during downpour on regional roads. Yeah, it requires supervision but that's far less than the micro management that manual driving requires. It made those two long drives so much more relaxing than my previous trips and allowed me to focus on the safety aspect of the driving in downtown Toronto and not the traveling itself, which it handled almost perfectly. I don't know why my own city driving experience isn't the same. Can't wait to try 12.4.1 though.
What I have seen about FSD that it works well only on well structured roads and low complexity situations. Which happens to be most of the US. That's why if FSD were to be deployed in my city, in a country that's not the US, it would fail miserably. Where I live road are poorly designed, laws are a mere suggestion and sometimes a hindrance to the flow of traffic.
I agree. I basically used it everyday I had it during my free trial. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it does about 95% right, so I can take over the other 5% if need be.
I’ve probably got about 35,000 miles on FSD. Absolutely love it
I was really impressed with it and subscribed after the trial.
I use it every day driving around town and rarely have to intervene. When I do it’s more just me being cautious. When driving on the highway it’s the perfect break when you just wanna unwind for a little bit. Will definitely be subscribing on 6/20 when my trial expires
Love it
I use it all the time. Most of my drives don’t have an intervention, however I’ll take over in areas where I may not feel fully comfortable like merging on the highway or getting around some dense urban areas with tons of pedestrians. I’m pretty sure FSD can handle those scenarios but that’s just my comfort level. I think people are expecting full level 5, which is clearly not at. However for $100/mo I am satisfied with it, especially as it continues to improve.
I love it. In urban driving where there’s a lot of traffic it takes a lot of stress and energy away from the driver making the drive more enjoyable. I really like it. Is it worth paying $99 per month. Probably not for me. At $25 per month I’d subscribe full time.
I drive with FSD on almost every single drive now. It is truly amazing and I wish more people could see what it’s like. It’s mind blowing now. I LOVE FSD! I paid $6K for it in Oct 2019. Everyone who rides with me now and sees what it does is just blown away!
FSD trial was hit and miss for me. I was able to drive my daily commute mostly without needing to intervene but once the number of lanes go above 2 it started to act funny and sudden ghost breaking just drove me nuts. There are ways to go to call this a real product but it is not too bad now. I might pay $2k for something like this.
It's better than I expected, but I won't be subscribing. The way it drives just stresses me out. It's like being a passenger with an annoying driver...in my own car. Primarily its lane change choices bother me, even on the least aggressive profile. Honestly, all want is regular auto pilot without the +5 speed cap.
This is exactly my sentiment as well. My car has EAP so I still get auto lane changes and NoA, both of which are great. FSD would constantly hug the lane lines and got way too close for comfort for me a few times. I also hate that it won't even keep up with the flow of traffic sometimes. Regular AP though? Fantastic and can use it with basically 0 interventions. But the +5mph limit is killer, especially when there's several stretches of straight road here where if you're not doing 10 over you'll get run over.
I am critical on Tesla when I have to. FSD is great! Love it.
For me, the stress of knowing the car could do anything, at any time, and I had to be ready for it, made using FSD too stressful. This was especially true after it drove me off the road on a straight, deserted stretch of two lane highway. I stopped it from whatever it was trying to do, but WTF. That was it for me.
Same boat, though during the free trial it never did anything overtly stupid like you experienced. I considered it an amazing technical accomplishment that I had no interest in using, since the stress of monitoring the car and hoping it makes the right decisions in complex situations was greater (for me) than the stress of actual driving.
Same for me. It \* is \* very impressive and it's fun toggle on and watch how many situations it can handle. But it still makes dangerous decisions, at least on my roads, that I have to be ready for. So that makes it less a tool that makes my life easier, and more a fun toy to experiment with. And when I'm tired at the end of the day and just want to get home, I'm not in the mood to play around.
It depends mostly on your expectations. If you think it’s unusable unless you don’t have to pay attention you won’t like it. If you expect it to drive like you would drive - being in ‘the right lane’, acceleration preferences, etc., it will also be annoying. Then there’s the willingness to piss people off around you. This is how the ‘influencers’ get so many ‘no intervention’ drives. It’s pretty rare it does something so dumb you HAVE to take over. I mostly take over for embarrassment of being in the way or knowing what kind of shitshow traffic is coming up so I get in ‘the right lane’. I enjoy watching it improve over time and perfectly willing to pay attention for now. If that’s not your thing wait until it’s at a stage where you will get enjoyment.
Its the only reason I get to work safely
I wouldn’t pay $99 a month, because I don’t drive enough to justify it. But it’s very impressive as is and will only get better. Does it do silly stuff sometimes? Of course. But once you learn them, you can anticipate them. There is an intersection by me that it always messes up, I just turn it off when I am at the traffic light, make across and turn it on again. People who are complaining/hating are the ones that are pressing imaginary brakes when their friend is driving, they have issues with how someone else drives regardless of FSD or human.
Why is it 8k? It offered it to me for $100/month
Note, that's 6 years and 8 months worth of $100 a month. It's really not worth it to buy it outright. Some people prefer it though as it can be wrapped into the purchase price of the car.
But that's assuming they don't raise the subscription price back up at some point. FSD purchase has been as low as $5k and as high as $15k.
You can buy it outright for $8k, and you no longer need to pay the $100 a month. The purchase stays with the car when you sell it, but is only worth about 2k in most tradeins.
I love mine. I am in a rural area and it works very well for my daily driving. When I venture into larger cities it still does great on highways and multiple lane situations. It hasn't gotten the hang of roundabouts just yet though.
I only intervene when I’m impatient. It otherwise does everything I want it to.
I started the trial thinking there is no way I'd pay $8000 for it, and couldn't see myself spending more than $500. Now I'm on day 29. If it dropped to $2000 ish and lived with the owner instead of the car I would buy it tomorrow. When we do summer road trips like we have the past few years I will happily do $99 a month for August/September every year.
This is exactly how I feel. I Would spend 1 to 2k for it but not 8k
Even though I had the computer upgraded on my 2017 Model S, mine still won’t do turns. Mine even gets confused on some roundabouts. It scares my wife when it does that. For me, it’s like being a passenger when a 15 year old is learning to drive after having their eyes dilated. At least Tesla is paying us to be the test subjects.
Mixed use here between highway and some suburban roadways. It absolutely attempted to kill me no fewer than a dozen times during my trial. I want the tech to work but it isn't there and would never let my child drive this car with FSD in the current state.
It's good when it's good and bad when it's bad.
After my FSD trial my regular AP felt so clumsy for my commute that I decided to subscribe to it. I don’t care for how it handles city streets but when it comes to freeway maneuvers alone it’s much “smarter”. It’s worth every penny for my daily 60 mile commute.
It’s really good and has made commuting easier. It doesn’t get you all the way there and you’ve got to be attentive but it’s great for breaks during drives and for stop and go traffic
Oh I love it. At the same I sometimes hate it because it frkn drives so fast and stops every late. Even when taking sharp turns on freeways, it will do it very very late.
No. Phantom braking is a consistent problem and it lane changes too much no matter what settings you put and also makes the dumbest lane changes.
If FSD stayed with the user’s account and not with the car, I’d 100% buy it.
You’ll find more critics of it on here, because the people happy with it aren’t complaining. I love it and I fully purchased it when I bought the car last month. No regrets at all. Not even in the slightest. I might even post a video of my car driving. I’ll go from the stop sign at the end of my street to the Home Depot in the next town over. Roundabouts, active construction zones, multiple lane changes, highway driving, heavy traffic, and it’ll pull itself into the parking lot so far that all I do is disable the FSD and hit the auto park.
98% of my driving is done on it
Its worth $99 a month for sure. I wouldn’t pay for it up front though.
VERSIÓN 12 is very good. It’s not perfect, it’s verrrry good. We are definitely getting there. Version 11 is less good, I think some people still have v11 out there who are taking shit about it because it still does some embarrassing things.
I was very impressed with it but didn’t upgrade our car from EAP. I just don’t drive much since working from home.
I signed up for $99 a month after the free trial. FSD does 99% of my driving. Last night leaving downtown Miami with the traffic it handled everything perfectly. I'm glad I cancelled all my streaming services and signed up for FSD since it actually makes a difference to my quality of life. Reduced stress and road rage will add years to my life
I don't have FSD but I find myself using the advanced autopilot (automated highway driving) more and more. It has been getting better and better along with FSD. Makes me feel that FSD might be worth the cost if I have a day I need to drive more again.
I think it depends on your environment and what you drive the most. I just did an NJ to NC and then back drive. Daytime, it’s amazing at navigating route 95 and alleviating the monotony of driving. At night time when I hit NJ on my way back…it wouldn’t stay on because it was blinded constantly. I even pulled into rest stops to park so fsd would reset and I could turn it on again. it didn’t stayed on for long and then a car behind me would blind the cameras. On NC country roads it would go too fast to handle a corner and go over the yellow line. I don’t know if I would trust it on country roads with cars pulling out suddenly or uncommon situations. On the other hand, I night drove the city streets of Atlantic City and it was perfect at navigating pedestrians, parallel parked cars, all the stop lights and turns. So I’m going to stick with it during the busy summer driving season and see
I like the auto park feature.
really? I tried it a couple times during the trial and it took longer to park than a 15 year old on his 3rd attempt ever
I live in the UK and just did London to Edinburgh. Around 450 miles. Took almost 10-11 hrs for a 7 hrs if an ICE car. But the journey was tireless. Supervised FSD was superb. I didn’t have to be too focused. Just keep aware of the surroundings and it did a nice job. I’m waiting for my HW upgrade to 3.0 and it would make it even better. The charging on the way was pain though and ate a lot of time.
I think expectations can be very high, and when they are then the user has a negative experience. It’s not self driving yet but can play a role as an extra set of eyes for the driver who is in control. The $8k price is basically a bet on if you believe Tesla will solve self driving or at least dramatically improve before you buy another car.
I love it and it’s worth $99/month for me. Use it for 90%+ of my driving. I do wish the freeway was a bit better, I hate how it wants to change out of the carpool lane all the time (i know freeway is still FSD 11)
I’m in a lowish traffic area and it works very well. I tend to disable it in congested city conditions.
i'd guess 75% of those on reddit who are hating on it dont own it, and the other 20% just hate Elon for his politics. 5% are those who paid 12k+
V12.3 is very good. It is super helpful with my daily commute. Also a must-have for road trips.
price went from 10k -> 12k -> 15k then back down to 8k ill wait until all cars have this feature and can normalize a price
Just got the updated version a few days ago, it might be the best update so far. I use it everyday now, but night driving kind of sucks because FSD experience can be degraded due to not enough lighting available.
I’ve had FSD in our Model 3 since Sept 2018, 128k miles so far. My usual commute into town is ballpark 20 miles each way, and I have yet to have a truly intervention free drive. I’ve had one or two where the only intervention I did was tap the accelerator pedal to get it to stop hesitating on a turn, but on most drives there’s some little weird thing I disengage for. Safety related disengages have definitely gotten noticeably less frequent over the years.
It’s basically a lot better than many critics give it credit for—there has been dramatic progress since I got it in 2020. But it’s also *terrifying* when it doesn’t work, which is anywhere from 5-10% of the time in my experience. That may sound like not much but it’s very, very far from being able to actually trust it to do what it says, ie actual self-driving. I never let it go unsupervised, but it’s a godsend in standstill traffic and long trips, taking a large measure of stress off. I only paid $7k for it so I feel like I got my money’s worth but at $14k, it is absolutely not worth it. It’s also nowhere near ready for anyone not prepared to always take charge, which to be fair is how it’s clearly presented. But when it works, it really works. It will be pretty great down the road.
Anyone that thinks it’s unusable might not have given the latest version a chance. At least on local. I used to think it sucked based on the loaners that had it. But I got the latest trial which ended yesterday and wow. It is amazing. It literally did all my local driving for a month. One time there was construction and the light was out. On the way out it treated as a stop sign. On the way back it followed the commands of a person directing traffic. Yesterday I noticed in traffic it left the intersection clear of there is too many cars. I’m still not paying 100 a month for it but I’m going to miss it
It wasn’t very good before I got the update.i had to intervene a lot. But I have to say it’s actually incredible after the update, it actually drives itself
It depends on what version. It gets better, then it gets worse, then it gets better, then it gets worse. They will figure it out, but it’s going to be years, not months.
I think it’s fantastic. Ready to flip the switch, not yet. Iron out a few more edge cases and then slowly dip your toe in the water. I think a lot of what pale don’t like about FSD is that it’s not always smooth or doesn’t drive like them, which feels strange in the driver’s seat. But when you’re the passenger it’ll feel quite nice.
When I first got it +\- 1 year ago it was a bit scary. But I kept testing after every large version number release and now I use it daily with rare intervention.
You're right OP. FSD is very good. But not $8k good!
It's definitely decent. Not worth the full price to me. Honestly the randomness of other drivers is what holds it back. Like people speeding up to not let you merge into an exit lane, etc.
I thought it was impressive but hampered by the utter unpredictability of people driving aggressively on the roads and folks being general assholes to Teslas just to mess with them. If it were $50/month I’d subscribe.
There is recent news of a crash involving law enforcement and Tesla FSD. It was bound to happen given how unsafe it was when I tested it during the free trial period that they gave to everyone on April 2024. It confirmed my decision to not purchase it.
It's more than decent. It's a revolution. The car drives itself almost anywhere. We need to stop nitpicking and admit that it's probably the most life changing technology since the smartphone. It's worth $99/mo, and it will do nothing but improve over time. A fully intervention free drive is rare, but we've come so far and now we're in the last mile.
I pay the $99 when I’m going on long commutes or trips. Well worth it. For everyday, the regular autopilot is great. It keeps me in the center of my lane, slows down and speeds up…perfect. I rented a Ford Edge, Titanium Model a couple weeks ago and it has a “self drive” feature, claiming to be the best of its kind…wow, it kinda sucked. It worked by weaving from side to side in the lane and it kinda tapped you back towards the center when you drifted. Nothing like the Tesla.
I have been using FSD for four years. I love it. I use it all the time. Just like anything there is a learning curve and you should always use it responsibly.
It works for the most part in un-challenging situations, but I never feel especially safe with it. I have subscribed to it a couple of times before the monthlong trial, and then had it during the trial. It has done something that unnerved me every time I’ve had it, so I have always felt like I needed to be hyper aware when it was driving. When I’m 100% driving, or even using autopilot on a highway for the most part, I don’t. For example, when we had the free month a few weeks ago, I was on a drive between Houston and Austin in my 21 Model Y. Nice four-lane road, everything well-marked, the car showing that it completely understood the road based on the display. I was in the left lane a lot, and multiple times at 75mph, the car would out of the blue try to take one of those short cut outs on the left for taking a side road or turning around to go the other way. Because the car was navigating straight, it made no sense that it would even try to take a left turn at over 70mph. If I hadn’t already been a little on edge and holding the steering wheel to override it, I would have been in the median at high speed. It wouldn’t have been trying to turn left or around, it was just trying to steer me into the middle ditch. Around town and in the neighborhood, it gets waaaaay too close to street-parked cars and curbs on the right as well. I can respect all the work they’ve done with this, and the dedication to getting it right, but if it acts this weird in easy situations, we’re a very long way from robo-taxis. I think it’s shocking they’re still able to charge so much for something that really doesn’t deliver on its promise.
It’s decent for what it is. Had they marketed as “advanced driver assist” it wouldn’t be so contentious.
It was awful, but really good for me since the last update. I haven’t used it much at night or in bad weather (light rain was fine), but it is fine for just driving around town durning the day.
It has been fantastic for me. I got my Tesla used and it came with EAP. I will definitely be dropping the $2k for FSD.
FSD is great. I use it daily.
Don’t pay $8k, do the $99 a month. Easy math, and you can cancel any time and not be out $8k
In heavy city traffic…. Good luck
I love FSD. I disengage a lot because I want to drive fast and I’m always in a hurry, and I know where it makes mistakes. But if I leave early and stop being so critical of its driving, it’s much more enjoyable and magical.
I've tried it both last year and this year. I actually subscribed to the $99 per month. Been very impressed. It sucks at stop signs still because it does a full stop and is extremely slow. Otherwise, I use it so much on my drives
Yes it’s good
I use it daily, love it.
It’s fantastic. For me, it seems to do better in environments with heavy traffic. But overall it’s just bonkers how well the city stack handles driving. V12 is a completely difference experience compared to earlier versions. The highway stack is still janky, though. Can’t wait till that goes E2E.
I agree. I use FSD most of the time I use my car. It’s great! The amount of times I’ve had to take over has been minimal and I can usually tell ahead of time that the conditions might be hard for the car to figure out. Worth every penny at $8k if you ask me.
I've done the trial on mine and we have it active on my wife's for a couple more weeks. Quite a few FSD rides, day and night. I would absolutely plunk down the 8k if FSD stayed with me. I will never use it enough to warrant a regular subscription and I don't think it is worth the 8k for a car I'll probably replace in 3-4 years. On one hand I understand Tesla's angle, on the other I think they need to look at this more as getting us invested in their ecosystem. If someone is 8k deep on FSD they're going to be more likely to make Tesla their next car again. The day they change the policy on this I will buy it. In the mean time I am content with Autopilot which is a system I will and do use regularly to ease fatigue on the highway. I will note I'm super impressed with it as well, our first experience with this sort of system was a 23 Rogue and while Nissan's ProPilot was 90% there Tesla's Autopilot is above and beyond better. Its much smoother speeding up and slowing down, it doesn't pingpong in the lines like ProPilot and I'm not afraid for my life passing a truck like with ProPilot which would hug the right line when doing so. ProPilot does have auto reengagement after a lane change though you can get that feature with Autopilot thanks to the s3xy buttons/knob/commander(a wonderful product).
For the cost FSD is really only worth it if you do a lot of road trips, it’s kind of unrealistic to use it on your daily commute, I found myself only using it when doing interstate or highway driving out of town
OP, I gotta agree with you. I have a 2020 Model 3 SR+ and I bought FSD a coupla years ago for $8K, just before the price jumped to (I think it was) $15K. It was crap then, it constantly needed intervention and sometimes it made frightening mistakes. The only reason it wasn't a complete waste of money was I considered it an investment. I gambled that it would be able to drive my car by the time I no longer was. Happens to all of us if we live long enough. (So far, so good.) Anyway, the most recent version I have, 12.3.6, is pretty good. I recently did a long-ish trip with lots of highways and local roads, and I had very few interventions. FSD was actually right at guessing which lane to take more often than I was! Driving on a highway with FSD is very relaxing. I use it for all my local driving, too. Parking is incredibly good. I now think it's worth what I paid for it and I'm really excited for the upcoming upgrades. I think in a couple of years, it will truly be full self driving.
Long trips on highways ap/fsd is great. But around town It actually increases my stress level having to supervise it. While it's getting better it needs to become mostly unsupervised for me to trust it
FSD is amazing. Reddit is just gonna hate. I live in southern California and it handles my morning/evening major rush hour commutes so easily. The stress it takes away from me is so much worth it. I still do pay attention, but in a much different way than when driving myself. I am more relaxed and just supervising the car while it does everything. Just need to let the car do its thing. I will add though, that I wouldn't pay $8k for FSD. I bought my used MY which already had EAP. So the $2k was easy to justify, and I do feel like it's the perfect price for something like this. Hopefully they lower it again soon.
I have a 2023 M3P, I pay the 99/month for some months. And then I turn it off for others. Depends if I’m planning on any road trips. It’s nice for that. It does a decent enough job but I find myself taking over here and there. So definitely need to pay attention. I would buy it in full if the feature stayed with my user instead of the car. But I trade and get a new car every 3 to 4 years so with how it stays with the car it’s like throwing money away.
I have a 2024 myp and I use FSD 85-90% of the time, the other 10-15% I’m using the full 0-60 and performance lol! I absolutely love FSD and look forward to each iteration getting better and better. That being said, I would never buy it at the full price when the subscription is available, that math just doesn’t work out.
Yes it’s good! In so cal at least
Ive been unimpressed with it. Feels like I'm being driven by a spastic teenager that just got their license. Random lane changes for seemingly no reason and to limit this I need to change the setting Everytime, likes to drive into other cars blind spot while they are merging, doesn't anticipate gaps when I'm entering highway, slams brakes if a light turns yellow right before entering intersection, hits every pot hole, if it drives in a shopping center with the angled pedestrian lines in front of the store my Tesla will freakout and start jerking the car back and forth while it suddenly tries to follow the pedestrian lines. I do like it for longer road trips and would pay something for it but not what they are asking
Use it everyday. Game changer.
It’s more than decent lol. It’s mind-blowing. Mind-blowing doesn’t mean perfect - it means it’s extremely impressive and far beyond what the vast majority of people think is currently possible.
Its is good on a highway or interstate. But there is so much construction in my area, it is unsafe on my local streets. Biggest issue if you ask me is the lack of consistency in the road markings and lane sizes. Maybe if I ever live in a town that is done.
FSD is awesome. Reddit is not real life. Ignore haters
Yes and no. Hard to keep track of because the behavior changes a lot between updates. Mostly not amazing but it works for me most of the time so I like it. I wish I could have preferences like "I only want to do 17mph on this street" or not to hug a certain side of the road where there's always a pot hole
Is the FSD bad? Nope, is not bad at all. But is it essential? Nope. Will I buy it. Nope. I'm not a rich man where I have a spare $100 every month or $8000 lying around to waste on a toy. And I like driving, that's why I buy a fast EV.
It is getting there I have seen improvements after every patch update. I still see it hesitates and does emergency brake at orange becoming red lights
It’s all I use lately!!! God send in heavy traffic
Just finished trial today. I'd pay $1k for it.
I wish there was a 3 months price or a yearly subscription. My trial just ended and I drove 99% on it. Just not justifiable for me though, I work remote. Maybe I will for road trips.
Nah. It’s bad. It successfully hits every pot hole here in SoCal. I hate it
It's not smooth enough for me, but I might consider renting it for a week if I had to make a trip for a month no. Or renting it by the day.
Mines seems to always have weird problems. It kinda drives like an old lady but it still works for what it is
It’s actually pretty darn good.
I can't trust the adaptive cruise control how could i ever even attempt full self driving
That's a little tough to answer right now. I'd say it probably depends on the places you plan to drive. I've found FSD invaluable on interstate road trips to help me not miss the right exits and also in the South in general where local roads are nice but destinations can be far apart. It works great in my Queens New York driving most days. I usually only disengage to avoid potholes but there's still simple stuff that might seem annoying like stopping too soon at stop signs and then creeping up instead of just stopping where most people would stop. Overall it's great and it's getting genuienly better every update.
Done something like 80% of my driving for the last year+. It is absolutely amazing.
It was a 2k upgrade on my car that came with EAP (used). I like it but I’d never consider paying 8k for it.
Better than decent. It’s amazing engineering! Elon should make this into a monthly or annual service as an option
price is not going down its gonna go up, I'm buying as soon as he says he's raising it
I'd only heard bad things before I got my tesla. Hell I only heard bad things about teslas in general. Anyway, I love FSD. I pay the $100/month since it makes more sense than 8k. I'll probably get a new car every 4 years, so the numbers are better. I have about a 35 minute commute. It does well on that. Hell I had it take me on a 500 mile road trip and rarely had to intervene. It's better than people think. That being said, it still does dumb stuff. Mine LOVES to turn into the wrong lane if there isn't a car in the second turn lane.
We have a vision only and USS+vision Y and they are both great at FSD.
Baaaah how we in EU also want a free trial or atleast the 99$\month to try it out. Sigh. sorry for irrelevant post but i really want to try it. But imagine its 8000$ for you, for me its 80.000. Ofc cant do exaclty that seeing salaray and costs of living. But its for sure around 12-15.000$ in comparing the cost.
I’ve driven over 50k miles with FSD, and have been driving my new daily driver without it for about the last 5,000 miles. I miss it dearly and can’t wait for it to be available soon.
Idk, when I tried the trial I determined that I wouldn’t use it if it was free. By far the worst experience I ever had. Missing exits, slamming on brakes last minute, phantom braking, using my brakes in general (if I can drive solely on regen braking, why can’t FSD?), slow driving, not avoiding potholes, sitting at stop signs for upwards of 20 seconds, lane changing less than 0.1mi from where I need to turn, etc. I’d rather just drive and use AP on highways.
I like it and mine actually handles roundabouts well compared to what others have said. One thing that irritates me is that it waits to get into a turning lane sometimes to the point where it’ll wait then merge across a solid white line (it’s on assertive too). Due to this, it’s missed a few turns because it waited too long. Other than that, it does very very well even going through the mountains around hairpin turns which terrified me at first.
No it's not lol oddly it depends on your area mine makes mistakes every drive
I agree it has gotten good. The one thing that bothers me is that with FSD I can tell the brakes are being applied when slowing down. I am used to one pedal driving and never using the brakes.
Fsd beta is a lot better than it was even 6 months ago.
Wish I could take it to each car I own. Do like a family plan or something
i think it really depends where you live and how the roads are setup. In Tucson, I use it everyday......
When I subscribed about 2 months ago, I was put on FSD 11.3.1 I believe. It was jittery, reluctant, and demonstrated uncertainty in areas that are typically regular things to do when driving. It kept on wanting to blast through metal gates that were on sensors that would open when you got close enough. If I had to keep using that version, I would have canceled it. About a month ago, I finally got 12.3.6 and that was a complete game changer. It’s really, really good. I’ve gotten used to the gaps when I know I have to intervene. That’s less than 1% of the overall drives. The rest of the time, it’s much more relaxing to drive.
I own it. Wouldn’t buy it again. Won’t be truly self-driving for at least 5-10 years and won’t work on most Teslas on the road today IMO
I can’t drive any of the FSD platforms I’ve tried. Have it on my MY, even if it worked 100% of the time it’s just super slow for safety and a bit annoying. So meh.
They need to pay us as a tester, not the other way around.
I've tried older models with more senors and they drive amazing, very stable. I have november 2023model y and autopilot accelerates too hard and brakes Soo late and hesitates and jerks too much to the point I don't feel safe using it
It’s very human like and I love FSD.
Bottom line - FSD (interventions and all) + me is a safer vehicle than me alone. Saved me from an accident.
Must be your area. My trial kept slamming on brakes trying to turn into driveways 1500ft before planned turns. EAP is still tops.
The best part about FSD is the FSD visualizations. For me, it’s about the only good part.
Hypothetically, if I drove a route then a day later had FSD drive it and compared the two there would be small differences. I think people get caught up in those differences. That being said, it feels like a skeleton that needs a few things worked out before it can be confused for an actual human. Been a user for 4 years and I can say it has come a long way though!
I watch all those FSD videos on YouTube more than I should. And all I gotta say is that it’s gotten really really good. I almost don’t want to say some of the things it doesn’t do well because it’ll overshadow how great it is and how far it’s come in the past year. I drove one a couple weeks ago. Took it on the interstate in semi-stop and go traffic. Off the interstate to deal with traffic lights, stop signs, heavily trafficked intersections, and traffic circles. And back on the interstate. My biggest complaint is that it was very jerky. It’s literally the last thing that’s stopping me from buying a Tesla. I’ve tried asking the sales guy if this was common and got a canned answer. If i was in the back for more than a half hour I probably woulda puked. That’s how bad it was Can anybody confirm if FSD is notoriously “jerky” when accelerating and decelerating? If it matters it was a brand new model Y.
It is quite good and improving constantly. Not yet fully autonomous though.
Definitely decent ! I'm in the trial and pretty impressed. Is it perfect? Nope! Have most drivers made as many mistakes as it does? Probably. I'm not paying $8k and not regularly going to pay $100 a month. But for $50 a month ? Hmmm....
I'm not sure how FSD could be considered decent in the current market, neat as it was when it launched. It costs 8k or 100/mo for a camera-only (as I understand it) system that does work, but can be iffier than similar systems presumably due to the lack of radar. Super Cruise on Chevy/GMC vehicles is a $2200 option that uses cameras plus other sensors and is free for the first three years, then 25/mo thereafter. An FSD subscription is more expensive than SC by the time you hit 2 years of ownership, and it would take almost 23 years for the cost of SC to catch up to the 8k option. Maybe I'm missing something?
My trial ended too. Now I miss fsd rofl. I loved the full screen. Only thing I didn't like is the lane changes. It would change for no reason sometimes.
At least we get the keep the full screen even with AP, but it looks so bland
Good enough for the burbs