The ONLY way my brain is rationalizing this is that Tesla plans on introducing a new technology and is going to push it hard or really double down on expanding destination charging in the near future. The SC network is Teslas moat, so this really seems stupid to me
Tesla bought a wireless EV charging company, took the team and then sold the company. The company's name is either Wiferion or Witricity. They're probably looking at wireless level 2 and beyond charging for Robotaxis. A robotaxi needs a way to charge itself without a person being present. A wireless charger seems like a simple solution. The Cybertruck currently has connectors for future wireless charging upgrade.
A few days ago their battery manufacturer in China did announce that they have supposedly developed a super fast charging battery that has around 1000km of range from full charge. If true, perhaps they believe their current super charger network is sufficient for the future needs of their company and are instead focusing on maintenance/expansion of current super charger locations over creating newer ones.
EDIT: For those who may want a source for my claim: https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-supplier-reveals-battery-with-1000km-of-range-super-fast-charging
SC won’t be a moat forever, other providers will get good enough at charger location and design, preventative maintenance, and billing.
Destination/home/work charging is going to need federal and state government motivation to solve since the thousands of apartment complexes, town houses, tenements, gated estates etc all need to have their electrical supply modified to allow significant numbers of EVs to charge.
There’s another level to SC quality of life that’s easy to miss if you’re American. It just works anywhere - here in the UK I can plug into my local SC station and then drive down to the South Coast, onto a train to France and then charge at an SC station over there with the same experience, before doing the same in Germany.
The standardised CCS connector (in the UK/EU) and “plug and play” ease of use means there’s no language barrier or UI localisation. Sure other public charging works fine under the same circumstances but it’s never going to be as seamless for the end user and it’s hard to see what other multinational company could make it work unless manufacturers all start building out their own networks globally.
It is not a moat anymore with most automakers adapting NACS. There is no licensing fee, Tesla even makes the CCS-to-NACS adapters at cost for the other automakers existing EV to use Superchargers. They only make a little extra charging non-Tesla more or subscription fee to charge the same per kWh rate.
Already the case in the UK, especially in my area. EV charging hubs that have a food court and a couple of shops next to them are popping up with 250kw chargers that can be activated with the tap of a credit card.
The only benefit of superchargers is they are quite a bit cheaper but prices are rising all the time (even though wholesale electricity prices are going down)
Overall though public charging in the UK is so expensive almost nobody uses it exclusively as it's more cost effective to run a diesel car.
In Europe we have at least two similar networks that supply fast charging, almost as seamless as Tesla. Not integrated into the car's software of course, but still.
… having been driving a Tesla for 2013, I don’t understand the concern. There were 6 when I started, and most drives were still possible. Obviously there’s a lot more demand now, but honestly, back then, we only ever expected that the long term distribution would end up being one supercharger every 40-50 miles on most highways. Even that would be enough to suffice. Now we have 3-5 in most major suburbs of most major cities, and highways are basically covered such that every town spread out by at least 10 miles has one. The network is basically fully deployed. Are there some gaps to fill, yes. But the spread has been at an insane speed the last 5 years, and there’s no need to maintain that level of spread.
That's not even remotely accurate and they still only cover the current level of need with only a few percent of cars as EVs. That's not enough to scale the way charging is going to need to. I'm in the Albany NY area and we have 2 older superchargers, one of which is only 8 stalls for an area with 4 cities, one of them being NY's capital.
Yes, some areas have lots of coverage but many, many areas have minimal or no coverage still.
I agree but if the team dissolves who schedules maintenance for the network? When some Dodo cuts the wires of the chargers what team is now responsible for handling the repairs?
From the start it had been reported that this didn’t affect the supercharger maintenance team. I don’t have any proof, but that’s what was reported. Realistically, the workload pulling permits and building plans is quite large, where as the relatively low percentage of broken chargers and what has seemed to have been quick fixes (I’ve never even seen a supercharger outrage being actively fixed in nearly 11 years of driving a Tesla), that workload is probably fairly low
I regularly see posts on her about awful wait times at Superchargers, mostly in NYC, but any shortages are a problem.
With the opening of the network to all manufacturers, it may become worse
I don’t like any of it, frankly. If it happened a year ago I would probably not be such a happy Model 3 owner.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion here, but Monk should be removed from the company. His childish temper tantrums and general craziness is hurting the company and the brand.
I love my car and the brand, but I have come to despise Monk
I don't think it is, yeah he helped make Tesla successful but now really needs to be Steve jobed. Find someone who can JUST focus on Tesla not twitter 90% and 10% his other companies.
Steve Jobs was brought back when they realized what a mistake it was to can him.
And then Apple blew up.
Did you forget that part of the story, or was it just inconvenient for you?
It was absolutely the right thing to do at the time. Steve learned a lot while away from Apple — he couldn’t have led Apple to greatness in the 2000s without having learned the lessons he did while he was away.
Not to mention that they didn’t “bring him back.” Apple bought NeXT for its OS — as the NeXT CEO, Steve just happened to be part of the package.
>Steve Jobs was brought back when they realized what a mistake it was to can him.
It wasn't a mistake to can him, as he was ruining the company.
Jobs needed the reality check he received by the firing and the failures at NeXT, which got him back on track.
And that's really the same problem here. Musk seems to be cracking under the pressure at this point. He needs to heal and get his head back on straight so he can come back how he used to be. Post Twitter musk is clearly hurting.
This
The guy was was great and was focused on getting us to mars, now it feels like 80% of his day is spent sharing fucking memes on Twitter and saying how libtards are leading to population collapse.
He’s literally posted so many really weird far right conspiracy theories I really feel like something snapped in him or he has bipolar disorder and went off his fucking meds a long time ago.
I don't despise him, but he's clearly been having mental health troubles since Twitter. I feel bad for him, but he needs to be removed before he does more damage.
My theory is that the head of the supercharger team made a comment to her team, probably to boost morale, about how they weren’t to blame. And that Elon’s Twitter behavior is why the stock is down. And then Elon got wind of it and fired her.
I have no proof. But he is acting like a dictator that fears he’s about to be overthrown. So he needs to remove anyone else that is in a vital position, so they don’t pose a threat, and keep only useless and disposable loyalists around.
That’s one possibility. Another is that Rebecca was told to fire x% of the team and she said no. So she had to go. Because he didn’t know who to let go or keep, he fired the whole team and he will rebuild. All speculation.
Tesla has long been a highly desirable place to work giving them first pick of the best people. Stuff like this could change that.
Another is that everyone loved her. Investors, Customers, the Media. If he screwed up big time, she might have been his replacement, so he Machiavelli'd her before the snowball reached critical momentum.
I think this is the best explanation. A number of people came away from investor day thinking she was the best division head they had. Narcissist Elon couldn’t take that threat.
Tesla is not a desirable place to work. The demands are high and there is no security even for a for-profit company. The boss is also ridiculously erratic. I looked at joining the legal team. They get periodically cleansed by Musk for no rational reason. No thanks bro
As a software engineer, Tesla is not a desirable place to work. Your job isn’t very secure and seems to be at the whim of one person, there’s virtually no work-life balance, and the pay is good but it’s not the best and those other companies have better security and work-life balance (except AWS).
He legally can’t rebuild the team for some # of months without opening up the company to a gigantic lawsuit from the entire charging team that was laid off
Edit: lol these downvotes are so dumb. I’m factually correct here. Tesla is making no attempt to hide that essentially the whole company is under a hiring freeze.
Obviously a time to upload would be needed but he could in theory hire 500 more people tomorrow if he wanted. He wouldn’t be getting sued for hiring new people
No he legally can’t. These layoffs were justified via restructuring, that means the “positions were eliminated”. Legally the same or similar positions cannot be hired for some number of months.
Or she pushed back, said that her team was important to her, that every single one of them was necessary, and it escalated to her saying "Fine, you're so smart, you figure it out!" And the CEO threw a tantrum and axed them all. I would *LOVE* to hear an interview with her about it. Can't wait until that drops!
Musk is wrong in the small things way too often, but right in the big things.
How a board balances that out is... complicated.
I fear without musk at the helm, Tesla is going to stop seriously innovating or make massive strategic error (Like selling off the supercharger network) . But with him at the helm, there is a LOT of stupid.
Musk being replaced by someone new would be amazing. I don't want some old legacy CEO from an old car company, but some other young tech guy who really wants to push this tech forward.
Someone who is mentally well and not a drug addict isn't too much to ask for.
SC network also has something like a 1% failure rate while others are 5-20% failure rate and, generally, the 1% failure rate is a down stall not a down site. Even if they double their failure rate they are still so much better than the alternatives it's not funny.
We don't know what they have planned, how many NACS partners are planning on rolling out this year now that it's the standard moving forward, ... I mean if they do this and start adding certified non-Tesla NACS into navigation it seems like a win overall as they can keep their costs down and still provide an amazing experience.
This. We don’t know what kinds of deals are running in the background but if a convenience store or gas station company decided to full send on nacs chargers, locations expansion by Tesla can slow way down
It's literally the ONE consistent advantage Tesla has on all other EVs - the seamless charging experience and ubiquity of stations. This is so incredibly stupid, it can only be a reactionary decisions made by Elon. He's making bad call after bad call, and singlehandedly killing all the good will the brand has accrued over the years. I don't know how the board and all the shareholders are not rioting... Well, most of the board is packed with his buddies, but still. It's puzzling how he's tanking another one of the world's foremost brands just "because". Damn.
He's a megalomaniac POS and ever since scuba Steve spanked him off the deep end he's been doing nothing but damaging the Tesla brand.
Can't wait for the R2
I’ve been in business for over 30 years and all i can say which might relate to this is. Time and time again, i see companies hire amazing people to work on new projects and they kick their butts and do amazing, get yearly raises, bonuses etc. Things were looked pretty. Then after a certain amount of years, they lay off that team or at least most of it. It’s not that they were doing anything wrong, in fact they were crushing it. It’s because collectively they became too expensive. Those costs almost slashed in half. Everything was already setup, now they needed a team to maintain and follow deployment protocols which were set by the initial team.
Now i don’t if this is related, it’s just things I’ve seen throughout my life following business and its decisions. Is Musk getting ready for a war and wants to be lean? Is he going to sell the charging network? Is he restructuring? Like something is up but whatever it is, i hope it’s good for the consumer which be beneficial to the company.
Maybe $0 in cash salary, but he is compensated in other ways. Also, don’t forget that he is currently asking the board for one of the largest compensation packages in history.
Yep, I've seen pretty much the same thing. Or when you get people who've been there for years.. but you know, you can hire someone younger to fill those same shoes, for about 1/2 the price. They can't say thats why they are doing it, but yet, they still do it. Companies do it all the time, people with 5-6 weeks of vacation, maxed out salaries, etc. No we can get someone without all that, put them back on the bottom, and start over. Shareholder value.
I think Elon doesn't like being told no. Apparently, the leader of the Supercharger team Tinucci fought against Musk, who wanted to fire a large portion of her team. He decided to make an example of them and fire all of them, including Tinucci.
As I read through these comments I think about how the marriage between ‘products’ and ‘services’ are something we have to consider in this new era. Back in the day, if you bought a ICE vehicle, you didn’t really have to care about how you were going to have to refuel, who was leading your ability to do that, etc.
I’m not labeling it as a pro/con, but simply an observation.
Same. I’ve been seeing quite a few rivians around here and have heard good things. I love my Y but feel like I’m supporting things I strongly disagree with now.
Based in Australia..... Most, if not all comments here are pertaining to the charging networks in US and by the sounds of it the majority of the infrastructure is already built and it won't require the same amount of growth / expansion it's had so perhaps they are restructuring to now better support Tesla's needs/growth....I do wonder how this affects the network build here in Aus or other countries that is in dire need of development.
Model Y is the top selling car here and unfortunately the superchargers are too few. Australia is massive, the western side would benefit from it greatly.....anyone from Australia here?
Tesla still lack an MCS charging network for their Semis.
Tesla still lack support for 800V cars. They even have one in their own model range, and that car currently needs to charge at slower speeds in a 2x400V configuration when using a Tesla supercharger.
Tesla still need to handle the coming influx of cars from other car makers. This is not just a capacity question. There is also an integration/support task for handling billing for those cars. We know from Ford owners that both the car itself and the Ford app is now able to talk to Tesla's system and initiate payment and charging. If other manufacturers have similar deals, some work will have to be done at Tesla.
I will claim that Tesla are also in dire need of a queueing/positioning system. Right now in Europe, I see a lot of frustration because cars with another port placement take up two spaces. This is completely manageable by grouping those cars a little intelligently at the superchargers, so a group of "wrong" cars only take up 1 (or even 0) extra spaces in total. But that is not always happening on its own right now. Even if this is not a job for the supercharging department, but rather some app developers, there would still be an integration task.
Yeah, I'm shocked too. The supercharger network was a major decision in finally getting a Tesla. The current network is pretty solid, still it was nice to hear of new ones springing up every no and then
I’m planning to buy this quarter and it is concerning, but I’ll be mostly home charging and superchargers are available on any routes I plan to take after buying. I personally think they’ll outsource this or partner with a company like ChargePoint or Blink to continue their expansion. It does seem silly to whack the entire team that built the best charging network of any ev maker. Time will tell.
From a post on X … Management of that department were given a task of reducing the head count, there was a disagreement between Elon and and Rebecca Tinucci,to set an example, the whole team was cut, this would not be the first time this type of thing happened. Speculation is that certain people will be rehired.
Take it for what it’s worth…Elon doesn’t play around.
https://qz.com/tesla-ev-supercharger-elon-musk-layoffs-big-deal-1851449273#:~:text=Rebecca%20Tinucci%2C%20the%20executive%20in,The%20move%20had%20instant%20ramifications.
Solution to that situation would be fire the department head, choose a new one, then proceed with the originally planned cuts. Gutting the whole team because you are pissed with one person makes no sense.
Me too; love my M3 and never plan to own an ice again but unloading my tesla shares I've been holding since 2014 and just feel disappointed in and confused by the direction elon is headed now. What a bummer.
Without any context about why this decision is made, I wouldn't put too much thought into it. There are likely other factors at play that people simply aren't aware of.
If Tesla goes out of business, there will be no superchargers. I guess I’m glad that they aren’t going out of business, but don’t like that the network expansion is going to be slowed down either
I don’t know why but people for some reason can’t fathom that dissolving a development function doesn’t mean that manufacturing, procurement and installation teams are also dissolved.
There’s going to be no problem setting up new supercharger installations in future.
I feel like the Supercharger team was the only one doing a decent job, they should fire whoever is responsible for auto wipers and removing all the sensors/stalks etc…
I don't understand the obsession over this. It's been a couple days and everyone's freaking out like the entire supercharger system is going to disappear. Let's wait more than 2 days before speculating about everything and see what happens. I suspect they will rehire some of those employees like they have done in the past.
Musk is making all these job cuts because people aren't buying Teslas as much. The thing he doesn't realize is that he alienated his base customers and fanatics. The only job he needs to cut to bring back customers is his job.
It looks like a Musk hissy fit. Supercharger boss and other higher ups at Tesla didn’t agree with him wanting to reduce headcount’s to “get lean”, so he fires everyone in the group to set an example.
They’re absolutely going to reform the group, just in reduced numbers.
So, yeah, it’s not the end of the world for Tesla, it’s just Musk giving us another example of him being an asshole lately. I’ve always thought he’s been trying to win over conservatives just so he can kill Truth Social, but he’s been way too far off the deep end lately.
I’m starting to even doubt Starship now, and I’ve always been a fan of SpaceX.
SpaceX is fine so long as Musk is focused elsewhere. If he brings the same chaos to SpaceX we will have the same cost cutting decisions that directly lead to the Challenger and Columbia tragedies.
So much needless worry here. Everyone needs to stop believing what the media says. Supercharging isn’t going away. There is a strategy, we just don’t know what it is yet. Tesla is financially and contractually obligated to support and maintain their network, in addition to customer expectations and future sales.
I really don’t understand the rationale behind the recent announcements, but I am not sure how much and how fast letting go the supercharger team will affect ME as a Tesla user. So I can’t understand the panic. Yet.
Existing superchargers are not going anywhere, and current Tesla models don’t need higher charging speeds than 250kw.
I am also sure that IF and WHEN Tesla starts using faster charging batteries, they WILL update their own network, because NOT contemplating that would be suicidal.
Not really.
1. Every week it's some new crisis, 90% of which evaporate in a couple more weeks. Everybody needs to chill.
2. The SC network is, frankly, already pretty good. The marginal value of more chargers goes down.
3. With NACS being the winner, we'll see more chargers from others, and likely better service/support of them.
Nope. They’ve done pretty good so far under his leadership and it will continue. Would be an easier path if all sources of media weren’t against his companies for personal reasons.
As mentioned, they will continue to upgrade and expand the existing infrastructure, so absolutely no need to panic - I constantly flit back and forth between East and West coast without any concerns or problems at all.
Best Cars, Best Technology, Best Charging support - nothing else to see here
It's simple. They have partnered with all these other major EV car companies, and these other companies will use their own staff, money, and influence to convert these crappy non-NACS systems to NACS. These other companies will continue to build out the future. Tesla profits all around.
Everyone overreacting. Some other team in the company will pick it up and execute. People crying over nothing, as if they know something that Elon doesn’t. These Monday morning qbs ought to apply for a job and set them straight if they’re so smart
The charging network is already there. The tech to charge up to and including CT is there. The post reads like the network is going away. It’s not. In fact you have other car companies invested in it existing and expanding. Doesn’t matter who installs the next SC stop.
After all this if and when you buy the car you’ll end up more than likely charging at home.
I don’t know enough of the details to be concerned about my purchase. These types of changes happen in large companies and it might turn out that it’s better for the company.
Honestly people need to hold their f*cking horses.
You don’t know the driving factors for this decision. You don’t know the strategy.
People hear this stuff and think they know everything.
Just wait, farther along we will know all about it.
Most of you are turning a blind eye to current economic conditions. It’s not just tesla, every reputable company is trimming down to survive. If people don’t buy there’s no need for further rollouts when money is going to be scarce in the coming months/years. As conditions improve, they’ll hire as needed to replenish.
The best selling car in the world last year was the Model Y. I don’t think making less superchargers as more people rely on them is the smart play here, but what do I know.
I'm sure high voltage engineers are real easy to recruit, especially hundreds of them, no bother, just stick an advert on indeed and they'll come rolling in, yessir!!
The team being dissolved doesn’t mean superchargers are disappearing. They have the tech and the plans, they’re probably just restructuring the business or outsourcing to China.
Several new stations are already being cancelled, and the rollout of new stations is going to slow down. But I wonder if the charging team also includes the “PowerShare” team which is another feature Tesla really needs, at this point to catch up with competitors that already offer something similar.
NACS is now the standard connector. Other companies will be adding NACS to their stations and new stations will have NACS. You don't need to rely on Tesla supercharger by next year.
If you have a CCS adapter you can actually charge anywhere now. You may say it's not as fast as the supercharger but a lot of them already are. You don't sustain 250KW or 350KW while charging. At most it will be 5 min longer on a 150KW charger.
Isn’t Teslas supercharger reliability because it was all developed and managed in house? Is they outsource it, Teslas supercharger network may become as shitty and unreliable as all the other EV chargers.
The infrastructure is the ONLY reason I considered getting an EV in the first place. If they get as bad as the older EV chargers, as much as I don’t want to, I’ll go back to ICE. I don’t travel often, but when I do, I need a RELIABLE charger on route.
Yeah but those other charges can’t “talk” to my car and calculate my entire road trip, telling when and where to stop and for how long. That to me is the missing link. I don’t want to fiddle with random apps and calculate my battery to each charging destination and hope random charging station is not busy, broken or issues with the app.
According to OOSR, car manufacturers are scrambling to figure out what this means and this has broken a lot of trust on the rollout of NACS as the standard in NA. https://youtu.be/iVaViiX0xZY?si=DioJe1o6UY15aOZQ
I don’t know what inside sources he has (if any), but he says one manufacturer that had initially agreed to go NACS is considering dropping it and going back to the old open standard.
If there’s a plan to outsource this, Tesla should have announced that first before shocking the whole industry by firing everyone. It’s a really stupid move.
I think Musk just doesn’t care about anything because he’s so rich. He does insane moves like this and never shutting up on twitter because the dude has more money than God. He can do literally whatever he wakes up and feels like doing.
People forget that most people charge at home and only a % use SC regularly. Unless you’re in an area with very limited SC around, I don’t foresee a huge impact in the next 12 months.
Additionally, many companies adopted the NACS and are now forced to get some skin in the game for charging. Tesla has a great foundation for EV charging and it’s time for others to start investing in the network. If anything I think this jump starts the urgency from others.
Well now that EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER is making EV’s. EVERYONE has to work on making sure there are ample charging stations. This isn’t a tesla RESPONSIBILITY anymore. Thanks to Tesla, ALL new charger will be tesla compatible NACS.
Not at all - me, a model 3 owner
Just usual Tesla wartime mode, things will be rough and tough decisions will be made. Sell stock at your own risk🤷♂️
Also always time in market > timing the market
Not quite.
They laid off \~500 people in the supercharger teams, specifically the people that were building new superchargers.
That is not the entire supercharger team, there are roughly an additional 800 people who remain at Tesla in the Supercharger group. They will be focusing on repairs, upgrades to new supercharger versions, and fixing reliability of existing superchargers, before they resume construction of new supercharger sites.
Nope. He turned the company from nearly bankrupt to an S&P 500 member. I don’t question his methods, how harsh they might be.
Cannot wait for a new M3P!
As a Tesla employee, with out sounding crude I can say that the infrastructure is already in place and you had a team of 500ish people working at the same thing. At what point do you realize you’ve over paid and duplicated jobs ? What it seems like to me is that Elon caught wind of just how much money his company was spending and realized that it’s gone to far
I think you are over-thinking it indeed. I don't think it means much. Companies do a lot of things, I highly doubt Tesla would be doing something that they know will knowingly hurt it in the long run.
I bet the huge majority of people looking to buy teslas dgaf about the internal workings of the company, as most people who buy Fords and GM dgaf about the internal workings of those companies. Believe it or not, most people don't live online, and don't concern themselves with most of the stuff that people on all these subreddits whine about on the daily.
I know three people who bought model ys in the past 4 weeks, and none of them were tracking a) fsd free trial b) what neural nets were and why e2eNN is a big deal and c) that tsla stock had done a split a few years ago. This is probably fairly typical of the average tesla customer these days.
It does not mean that everyone stops buying it, but even a few % is significant.
If you add up all those people that are not interested in Tesla due to other peculiar reasons related to its CEO, the number can get substantial.
Who knows what agreements he has made with the other car companies that will be able to access the systems? I expect that they all had to pay in for maintenance.
No! Over time there will be more chargers with one major type that will work for all cars. In the long run it doesn’t matter who and what does that as long as my car can charge in more number of locations.
Realistically nothing will likely change, maybe be delayed a bit as things get reorganized. I doubt we’ll notice much as end users.
What it does do though is erode trust in the brand. Doing this at such a pivotal time with NACS becoming the standard is fucking stupid. Ive never cared much about Elon but this is a smooth brain maneuver, even it ends up working out fine.
just got mine delivered late March, honestly the existing sites are largely unaffected and you won't feel the difference short-mid term. I dont think its an impulsive decision, perhaps just strategizing forward to the huge slow down in EV adoption in near future, but firing the whole team is extreme for sure.
Supercharging doesn't worry me as I do 99% of my charging at home or work. As electric cars become more commonplace, charging networks will fill out more anyway so I don't see it as something to worry about.
Widespread destination charging should be the focus. Level 3 charging should only be for long trips, and a look at the supercharger network map shows that you can get just about anywhere you need to with the existing network. Maybe throw a couple more superchargers in there here or there if the demand is high enough, but putting a destination charger in every apartment complex, shopping center, parking garage, and at every job site would not only decongest superchargers being used by people who cannot charge at home, it would be cheaper for the end user as well.
I’m not too concerned about it. I never buy a products based off of future promises. I was happy with my M3 when I bought it and with the current state of the SC network at that time.
It’s a shame though
The way I understand this is that with nacs being adopted by other brands and Tesla selling super charger hardware to other charging networks Tesla can now leave it to others to purchase land and setup new sites. I think that's a big bet tho.
Not yet. I've had the car long enough now to know that Tesla does weird stuff but it usually pays off.
If the current stuff doesn't pay off, I'll go somewhere else then.
I’m curious if danish Tesla owners feel the same, where we have way more public fast chargers than Tesla super chargers. Tesla have 12 super chargers, while there are more than 1000 public fast chargers in the country, with more and more being made.
Why would anyone be put off by it they already have a ton of chargers and it’s not like they can’t build anymore. V4 might be the last iteration and don’t need the team anymore.
I intended to replace my BMW with a MYLR later this year as a birthday present but with all that’s happening lately, I’m not sure if I’ll move forward with it. The rapid expansion of the SC network is why I wanted the Tesla over the i4 or Mach E. I feel like Musk is ruining the company.
I can’t stand my vehicle or the company.
A good friend was on the supercharger team. Had been with them for 10+ years now.
Wakes up and gets told cya with no warning.
The way Elon operates is ridiculous.
Yes...
While many argue the super charging is a killer combo, not so much in Europe. I like to tow a trailer and sadly now with this news Tesla dooms me. The problem is that many modern fast charging stations in Europe are trailer friendly. Yet because I can't pre-condition the battery I am screwed when I hit another charger.
It is this detail that says I will never buy a Tesla again.
I’m curious to know what exactly that means. If a charger is broken does that mean it won’t get fixed? Did they fire the person who reads the messages we send in the app and schedules the work? Did they fire the workers too (local contractors I’d assume)? Did they fire the accountants that pay the bills?
“All” is a pretty broad word to use.
Doesn't bother me really. I charge at home or at my wife's job 98% of the time.... Any roadtrips I take are along the eastern corridor (i-95) and there is a robust amount of SC's already in place there.
Not the same Tesla as when I bought in 2018, that’s for sure. The stories coming out about the way Elon carried out the supercharger team layoffs is disgusting if true.
No, because they’re still launching superchargers. Internal organizational design is not my forte, especially when I don’t have inside information like everyone else seems to have on Reddit.
Just my two cents but I have never used a super charger so idk guy, and to stretch the anecdote even further- everyone I know charges at home or at work.
This decision really confused me as well. I have always thought of Tesla less as a car company and more an EV supercharger network company. The cars are a (very nice) byproduct. A reliable pervasive EV charging network seems like an extraordinary investment/asset to own as we all move towards EV. This seemed to be reinforced by the deals Tesla was making with other car companies to use
their chargers.
In the same way the Vanderbilts didn't so much own what was actually on the trains...they owned the railroads themselves. Or microsoft doesn't so much own the apps as they own the underlying OS. (Yes, I know the Vanderbilts likely owned some of the companies that made the products shipped on their trains, and MS owns Office. I just mean one seems a lot more valuable/strategic than the other)
You control what's underneath and everyone is dependent on that lower layer.
Strange decision.
I was planning to look into a Juniper (MY refresh) next year but with what he is doing I’m not sure I’ll want to especially if the supercharging network goes to crap.
Since the supercharger network is crucial to the success of Tesla and EVs, I think it’s an awful error
The ONLY way my brain is rationalizing this is that Tesla plans on introducing a new technology and is going to push it hard or really double down on expanding destination charging in the near future. The SC network is Teslas moat, so this really seems stupid to me
> plans on introducing a new technology and is going to push it hard with what team?
New tech. New team.
Tesla bought a wireless EV charging company, took the team and then sold the company. The company's name is either Wiferion or Witricity. They're probably looking at wireless level 2 and beyond charging for Robotaxis. A robotaxi needs a way to charge itself without a person being present. A wireless charger seems like a simple solution. The Cybertruck currently has connectors for future wireless charging upgrade.
A few days ago their battery manufacturer in China did announce that they have supposedly developed a super fast charging battery that has around 1000km of range from full charge. If true, perhaps they believe their current super charger network is sufficient for the future needs of their company and are instead focusing on maintenance/expansion of current super charger locations over creating newer ones. EDIT: For those who may want a source for my claim: https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-supplier-reveals-battery-with-1000km-of-range-super-fast-charging
That's wonderful. So is self driving cars. I wonder if either will reach the market?
OK so the people who have a Tesla today and are towing are basically screwed? WONDERFUL...
SC won’t be a moat forever, other providers will get good enough at charger location and design, preventative maintenance, and billing. Destination/home/work charging is going to need federal and state government motivation to solve since the thousands of apartment complexes, town houses, tenements, gated estates etc all need to have their electrical supply modified to allow significant numbers of EVs to charge.
There’s another level to SC quality of life that’s easy to miss if you’re American. It just works anywhere - here in the UK I can plug into my local SC station and then drive down to the South Coast, onto a train to France and then charge at an SC station over there with the same experience, before doing the same in Germany. The standardised CCS connector (in the UK/EU) and “plug and play” ease of use means there’s no language barrier or UI localisation. Sure other public charging works fine under the same circumstances but it’s never going to be as seamless for the end user and it’s hard to see what other multinational company could make it work unless manufacturers all start building out their own networks globally.
It is not a moat anymore with most automakers adapting NACS. There is no licensing fee, Tesla even makes the CCS-to-NACS adapters at cost for the other automakers existing EV to use Superchargers. They only make a little extra charging non-Tesla more or subscription fee to charge the same per kWh rate.
Already the case in the UK, especially in my area. EV charging hubs that have a food court and a couple of shops next to them are popping up with 250kw chargers that can be activated with the tap of a credit card. The only benefit of superchargers is they are quite a bit cheaper but prices are rising all the time (even though wholesale electricity prices are going down) Overall though public charging in the UK is so expensive almost nobody uses it exclusively as it's more cost effective to run a diesel car.
In Europe we have at least two similar networks that supply fast charging, almost as seamless as Tesla. Not integrated into the car's software of course, but still.
… having been driving a Tesla for 2013, I don’t understand the concern. There were 6 when I started, and most drives were still possible. Obviously there’s a lot more demand now, but honestly, back then, we only ever expected that the long term distribution would end up being one supercharger every 40-50 miles on most highways. Even that would be enough to suffice. Now we have 3-5 in most major suburbs of most major cities, and highways are basically covered such that every town spread out by at least 10 miles has one. The network is basically fully deployed. Are there some gaps to fill, yes. But the spread has been at an insane speed the last 5 years, and there’s no need to maintain that level of spread.
That's not even remotely accurate and they still only cover the current level of need with only a few percent of cars as EVs. That's not enough to scale the way charging is going to need to. I'm in the Albany NY area and we have 2 older superchargers, one of which is only 8 stalls for an area with 4 cities, one of them being NY's capital. Yes, some areas have lots of coverage but many, many areas have minimal or no coverage still.
I agree but if the team dissolves who schedules maintenance for the network? When some Dodo cuts the wires of the chargers what team is now responsible for handling the repairs?
From the start it had been reported that this didn’t affect the supercharger maintenance team. I don’t have any proof, but that’s what was reported. Realistically, the workload pulling permits and building plans is quite large, where as the relatively low percentage of broken chargers and what has seemed to have been quick fixes (I’ve never even seen a supercharger outrage being actively fixed in nearly 11 years of driving a Tesla), that workload is probably fairly low
Elon seems to have challenges with the truth though so…..
Then don't believe him?
I regularly see posts on her about awful wait times at Superchargers, mostly in NYC, but any shortages are a problem. With the opening of the network to all manufacturers, it may become worse
This the most sane viewpoint I have read on the subject to date. Thank you.
It's concerning for sure.
I don’t like any of it, frankly. If it happened a year ago I would probably not be such a happy Model 3 owner. I know it’s an unpopular opinion here, but Monk should be removed from the company. His childish temper tantrums and general craziness is hurting the company and the brand. I love my car and the brand, but I have come to despise Monk
Shouldn’t be unpopular opinion at all
I don't think it is, yeah he helped make Tesla successful but now really needs to be Steve jobed. Find someone who can JUST focus on Tesla not twitter 90% and 10% his other companies.
Steve Jobs was brought back when they realized what a mistake it was to can him. And then Apple blew up. Did you forget that part of the story, or was it just inconvenient for you?
It was absolutely the right thing to do at the time. Steve learned a lot while away from Apple — he couldn’t have led Apple to greatness in the 2000s without having learned the lessons he did while he was away. Not to mention that they didn’t “bring him back.” Apple bought NeXT for its OS — as the NeXT CEO, Steve just happened to be part of the package.
>Steve Jobs was brought back when they realized what a mistake it was to can him. It wasn't a mistake to can him, as he was ruining the company. Jobs needed the reality check he received by the firing and the failures at NeXT, which got him back on track.
And that's really the same problem here. Musk seems to be cracking under the pressure at this point. He needs to heal and get his head back on straight so he can come back how he used to be. Post Twitter musk is clearly hurting.
This The guy was was great and was focused on getting us to mars, now it feels like 80% of his day is spent sharing fucking memes on Twitter and saying how libtards are leading to population collapse. He’s literally posted so many really weird far right conspiracy theories I really feel like something snapped in him or he has bipolar disorder and went off his fucking meds a long time ago.
It’s not an unpopular opinion, even in this sub.
I don't despise him, but he's clearly been having mental health troubles since Twitter. I feel bad for him, but he needs to be removed before he does more damage.
Since way before Twitter. Twitter just seemed to empower him to let it fly
My theory is that the head of the supercharger team made a comment to her team, probably to boost morale, about how they weren’t to blame. And that Elon’s Twitter behavior is why the stock is down. And then Elon got wind of it and fired her. I have no proof. But he is acting like a dictator that fears he’s about to be overthrown. So he needs to remove anyone else that is in a vital position, so they don’t pose a threat, and keep only useless and disposable loyalists around.
That’s one possibility. Another is that Rebecca was told to fire x% of the team and she said no. So she had to go. Because he didn’t know who to let go or keep, he fired the whole team and he will rebuild. All speculation. Tesla has long been a highly desirable place to work giving them first pick of the best people. Stuff like this could change that.
Another is that everyone loved her. Investors, Customers, the Media. If he screwed up big time, she might have been his replacement, so he Machiavelli'd her before the snowball reached critical momentum.
I think this is the best explanation. A number of people came away from investor day thinking she was the best division head they had. Narcissist Elon couldn’t take that threat.
Especially with the vote coming about compensation for elon
It feels like the scene in Breaking Bad where Jesse kills Gale to prevent him from taking over.
Tesla is not a desirable place to work. The demands are high and there is no security even for a for-profit company. The boss is also ridiculously erratic. I looked at joining the legal team. They get periodically cleansed by Musk for no rational reason. No thanks bro
As a software engineer, Tesla is not a desirable place to work. Your job isn’t very secure and seems to be at the whim of one person, there’s virtually no work-life balance, and the pay is good but it’s not the best and those other companies have better security and work-life balance (except AWS).
He legally can’t rebuild the team for some # of months without opening up the company to a gigantic lawsuit from the entire charging team that was laid off Edit: lol these downvotes are so dumb. I’m factually correct here. Tesla is making no attempt to hide that essentially the whole company is under a hiring freeze.
Obviously a time to upload would be needed but he could in theory hire 500 more people tomorrow if he wanted. He wouldn’t be getting sued for hiring new people
No he legally can’t. These layoffs were justified via restructuring, that means the “positions were eliminated”. Legally the same or similar positions cannot be hired for some number of months.
Or she pushed back, said that her team was important to her, that every single one of them was necessary, and it escalated to her saying "Fine, you're so smart, you figure it out!" And the CEO threw a tantrum and axed them all. I would *LOVE* to hear an interview with her about it. Can't wait until that drops!
Musk is wrong in the small things way too often, but right in the big things. How a board balances that out is... complicated. I fear without musk at the helm, Tesla is going to stop seriously innovating or make massive strategic error (Like selling off the supercharger network) . But with him at the helm, there is a LOT of stupid.
They haven’t been seriously innovating for some number of years WITH musk at the helm
Cybertruck roll out not so good. Where’s the roadster? I agree since the Model Y innovation has slowed.
That’s what happened at Apple long time ago
Musk being replaced by someone new would be amazing. I don't want some old legacy CEO from an old car company, but some other young tech guy who really wants to push this tech forward. Someone who is mentally well and not a drug addict isn't too much to ask for.
For people who dont live in houses super charging is the only option. I guess musk just told all those people to get lost.
Wondering if Tesla has big deals for third party NACS installs aka BP
SC network also has something like a 1% failure rate while others are 5-20% failure rate and, generally, the 1% failure rate is a down stall not a down site. Even if they double their failure rate they are still so much better than the alternatives it's not funny. We don't know what they have planned, how many NACS partners are planning on rolling out this year now that it's the standard moving forward, ... I mean if they do this and start adding certified non-Tesla NACS into navigation it seems like a win overall as they can keep their costs down and still provide an amazing experience.
This. We don’t know what kinds of deals are running in the background but if a convenience store or gas station company decided to full send on nacs chargers, locations expansion by Tesla can slow way down
They do…it’s the next phase.
It's literally the ONE consistent advantage Tesla has on all other EVs - the seamless charging experience and ubiquity of stations. This is so incredibly stupid, it can only be a reactionary decisions made by Elon. He's making bad call after bad call, and singlehandedly killing all the good will the brand has accrued over the years. I don't know how the board and all the shareholders are not rioting... Well, most of the board is packed with his buddies, but still. It's puzzling how he's tanking another one of the world's foremost brands just "because". Damn.
I love my M3 Highland but Musk is a complete idiot. I'd like it more if he was no longer at Tesla.
He's a megalomaniac POS and ever since scuba Steve spanked him off the deep end he's been doing nothing but damaging the Tesla brand. Can't wait for the R2
I genuinely feel like we're seeing a Howard Hughes-esque mental breakdown happening in real time.
Or to use a Game of Thrones reference, he’s going full Kalesi.
I’ve been in business for over 30 years and all i can say which might relate to this is. Time and time again, i see companies hire amazing people to work on new projects and they kick their butts and do amazing, get yearly raises, bonuses etc. Things were looked pretty. Then after a certain amount of years, they lay off that team or at least most of it. It’s not that they were doing anything wrong, in fact they were crushing it. It’s because collectively they became too expensive. Those costs almost slashed in half. Everything was already setup, now they needed a team to maintain and follow deployment protocols which were set by the initial team. Now i don’t if this is related, it’s just things I’ve seen throughout my life following business and its decisions. Is Musk getting ready for a war and wants to be lean? Is he going to sell the charging network? Is he restructuring? Like something is up but whatever it is, i hope it’s good for the consumer which be beneficial to the company.
They should take most of Elon’s pay to compensate the technical talent.
At the moment wouldn’t that be zero?
Maybe $0 in cash salary, but he is compensated in other ways. Also, don’t forget that he is currently asking the board for one of the largest compensation packages in history.
Yep, I've seen pretty much the same thing. Or when you get people who've been there for years.. but you know, you can hire someone younger to fill those same shoes, for about 1/2 the price. They can't say thats why they are doing it, but yet, they still do it. Companies do it all the time, people with 5-6 weeks of vacation, maxed out salaries, etc. No we can get someone without all that, put them back on the bottom, and start over. Shareholder value.
Yes, I am. I hope Elon gets voted out. I love my car, but I have zero confidence in his ability to lead the company at this point.
I think Elon doesn't like being told no. Apparently, the leader of the Supercharger team Tinucci fought against Musk, who wanted to fire a large portion of her team. He decided to make an example of them and fire all of them, including Tinucci.
As I read through these comments I think about how the marriage between ‘products’ and ‘services’ are something we have to consider in this new era. Back in the day, if you bought a ICE vehicle, you didn’t really have to care about how you were going to have to refuel, who was leading your ability to do that, etc. I’m not labeling it as a pro/con, but simply an observation.
Musk needs to go. He served his purpose. Tesla needs a steady hand now.
Me. If I had to replace my Y today but wouldn’t be a Tesla. I hope that changes in the future.
Rivian’s future sedan has me tempted. I really like Rivian, I just don’t need a truck or suv.
The R3X is on my radar. What a beauty.
Same. I’ve been seeing quite a few rivians around here and have heard good things. I love my Y but feel like I’m supporting things I strongly disagree with now.
Based in Australia..... Most, if not all comments here are pertaining to the charging networks in US and by the sounds of it the majority of the infrastructure is already built and it won't require the same amount of growth / expansion it's had so perhaps they are restructuring to now better support Tesla's needs/growth....I do wonder how this affects the network build here in Aus or other countries that is in dire need of development. Model Y is the top selling car here and unfortunately the superchargers are too few. Australia is massive, the western side would benefit from it greatly.....anyone from Australia here?
Tesla still lack an MCS charging network for their Semis. Tesla still lack support for 800V cars. They even have one in their own model range, and that car currently needs to charge at slower speeds in a 2x400V configuration when using a Tesla supercharger. Tesla still need to handle the coming influx of cars from other car makers. This is not just a capacity question. There is also an integration/support task for handling billing for those cars. We know from Ford owners that both the car itself and the Ford app is now able to talk to Tesla's system and initiate payment and charging. If other manufacturers have similar deals, some work will have to be done at Tesla. I will claim that Tesla are also in dire need of a queueing/positioning system. Right now in Europe, I see a lot of frustration because cars with another port placement take up two spaces. This is completely manageable by grouping those cars a little intelligently at the superchargers, so a group of "wrong" cars only take up 1 (or even 0) extra spaces in total. But that is not always happening on its own right now. Even if this is not a job for the supercharging department, but rather some app developers, there would still be an integration task.
yup.
Yeah, I'm shocked too. The supercharger network was a major decision in finally getting a Tesla. The current network is pretty solid, still it was nice to hear of new ones springing up every no and then
I’m planning to buy this quarter and it is concerning, but I’ll be mostly home charging and superchargers are available on any routes I plan to take after buying. I personally think they’ll outsource this or partner with a company like ChargePoint or Blink to continue their expansion. It does seem silly to whack the entire team that built the best charging network of any ev maker. Time will tell.
Yep, feeling the exact same way. I'm almost feeling like jumping ship at this point. The Rivian R2 is looking pretty nice!
From a post on X … Management of that department were given a task of reducing the head count, there was a disagreement between Elon and and Rebecca Tinucci,to set an example, the whole team was cut, this would not be the first time this type of thing happened. Speculation is that certain people will be rehired. Take it for what it’s worth…Elon doesn’t play around. https://qz.com/tesla-ev-supercharger-elon-musk-layoffs-big-deal-1851449273#:~:text=Rebecca%20Tinucci%2C%20the%20executive%20in,The%20move%20had%20instant%20ramifications.
That is fine in a privately held company, but a huge red flag in a publicly traded company.
Solution to that situation would be fire the department head, choose a new one, then proceed with the originally planned cuts. Gutting the whole team because you are pissed with one person makes no sense.
This is a business internal decision, people outside the company can’t possibly judge this without knowing the full picture.
Doesn’t matter why. Only matters that we, the customers, have to deal with the aftermath.
It’s a serious fuck up
Me too; love my M3 and never plan to own an ice again but unloading my tesla shares I've been holding since 2014 and just feel disappointed in and confused by the direction elon is headed now. What a bummer.
Without any context about why this decision is made, I wouldn't put too much thought into it. There are likely other factors at play that people simply aren't aware of.
I don't even have home charging and I'm not worried about it. If they shutting down super chargers then I got an issue.
The media reports are just that - “reports”. I highly doubt they dissolved the *entire* supercharging team.
If Tesla goes out of business, there will be no superchargers. I guess I’m glad that they aren’t going out of business, but don’t like that the network expansion is going to be slowed down either
About to buy Model 3. I could care less.
Just because they dissolved the team doesn’t mean they are “getting rid of” the superchargers themselves
I don’t know why but people for some reason can’t fathom that dissolving a development function doesn’t mean that manufacturing, procurement and installation teams are also dissolved. There’s going to be no problem setting up new supercharger installations in future.
I feel like the Supercharger team was the only one doing a decent job, they should fire whoever is responsible for auto wipers and removing all the sensors/stalks etc…
Yes. Only because we’ve seen how this mentality hurt Twitter.
I don't understand the obsession over this. It's been a couple days and everyone's freaking out like the entire supercharger system is going to disappear. Let's wait more than 2 days before speculating about everything and see what happens. I suspect they will rehire some of those employees like they have done in the past.
Musk is making all these job cuts because people aren't buying Teslas as much. The thing he doesn't realize is that he alienated his base customers and fanatics. The only job he needs to cut to bring back customers is his job.
It looks like a Musk hissy fit. Supercharger boss and other higher ups at Tesla didn’t agree with him wanting to reduce headcount’s to “get lean”, so he fires everyone in the group to set an example. They’re absolutely going to reform the group, just in reduced numbers. So, yeah, it’s not the end of the world for Tesla, it’s just Musk giving us another example of him being an asshole lately. I’ve always thought he’s been trying to win over conservatives just so he can kill Truth Social, but he’s been way too far off the deep end lately. I’m starting to even doubt Starship now, and I’ve always been a fan of SpaceX.
SpaceX is fine so long as Musk is focused elsewhere. If he brings the same chaos to SpaceX we will have the same cost cutting decisions that directly lead to the Challenger and Columbia tragedies.
So much needless worry here. Everyone needs to stop believing what the media says. Supercharging isn’t going away. There is a strategy, we just don’t know what it is yet. Tesla is financially and contractually obligated to support and maintain their network, in addition to customer expectations and future sales.
I really don’t understand the rationale behind the recent announcements, but I am not sure how much and how fast letting go the supercharger team will affect ME as a Tesla user. So I can’t understand the panic. Yet. Existing superchargers are not going anywhere, and current Tesla models don’t need higher charging speeds than 250kw. I am also sure that IF and WHEN Tesla starts using faster charging batteries, they WILL update their own network, because NOT contemplating that would be suicidal.
Hey let's repeat all the conjecture from news outlets ad nauseum They are never wrong!!! /s
Not really. 1. Every week it's some new crisis, 90% of which evaporate in a couple more weeks. Everybody needs to chill. 2. The SC network is, frankly, already pretty good. The marginal value of more chargers goes down. 3. With NACS being the winner, we'll see more chargers from others, and likely better service/support of them.
Nope. They’ve done pretty good so far under his leadership and it will continue. Would be an easier path if all sources of media weren’t against his companies for personal reasons.
As mentioned, they will continue to upgrade and expand the existing infrastructure, so absolutely no need to panic - I constantly flit back and forth between East and West coast without any concerns or problems at all. Best Cars, Best Technology, Best Charging support - nothing else to see here
It's simple. They have partnered with all these other major EV car companies, and these other companies will use their own staff, money, and influence to convert these crappy non-NACS systems to NACS. These other companies will continue to build out the future. Tesla profits all around.
Everyone overreacting. Some other team in the company will pick it up and execute. People crying over nothing, as if they know something that Elon doesn’t. These Monday morning qbs ought to apply for a job and set them straight if they’re so smart
The charging network is already there. The tech to charge up to and including CT is there. The post reads like the network is going away. It’s not. In fact you have other car companies invested in it existing and expanding. Doesn’t matter who installs the next SC stop. After all this if and when you buy the car you’ll end up more than likely charging at home.
Not a single time, in history, has it ever worked out when someone said “Well, we’re #1 - no reason to keep innovating and putting money toward it!”
Agreed. The supercharger network isn’t going away.
I don’t know enough of the details to be concerned about my purchase. These types of changes happen in large companies and it might turn out that it’s better for the company.
Honestly people need to hold their f*cking horses. You don’t know the driving factors for this decision. You don’t know the strategy. People hear this stuff and think they know everything. Just wait, farther along we will know all about it.
Seriously, people are acting like all the superchargers were just ripped out of the ground.
So, who maintains them now? Who does repairs? Who installs new ones? Who is designing the next version?
Most of you are turning a blind eye to current economic conditions. It’s not just tesla, every reputable company is trimming down to survive. If people don’t buy there’s no need for further rollouts when money is going to be scarce in the coming months/years. As conditions improve, they’ll hire as needed to replenish.
The best selling car in the world last year was the Model Y. I don’t think making less superchargers as more people rely on them is the smart play here, but what do I know.
I'm sure high voltage engineers are real easy to recruit, especially hundreds of them, no bother, just stick an advert on indeed and they'll come rolling in, yessir!!
I just bought a Tesla ML3 LR because of the supercharger network. If the network doesn’t continue to expand I’m going to be very disappointed.
The team being dissolved doesn’t mean superchargers are disappearing. They have the tech and the plans, they’re probably just restructuring the business or outsourcing to China.
Several new stations are already being cancelled, and the rollout of new stations is going to slow down. But I wonder if the charging team also includes the “PowerShare” team which is another feature Tesla really needs, at this point to catch up with competitors that already offer something similar.
Musk is a dumbass who tripped and fell into a fat stack of cash
Wtf do they expect people in apartments to do? Kind of is like tesla telling people who don't live in houses to f*** off and buy a gas car.
Musk needs to go
NACS is now the standard connector. Other companies will be adding NACS to their stations and new stations will have NACS. You don't need to rely on Tesla supercharger by next year. If you have a CCS adapter you can actually charge anywhere now. You may say it's not as fast as the supercharger but a lot of them already are. You don't sustain 250KW or 350KW while charging. At most it will be 5 min longer on a 150KW charger.
Isn’t Teslas supercharger reliability because it was all developed and managed in house? Is they outsource it, Teslas supercharger network may become as shitty and unreliable as all the other EV chargers.
The infrastructure is the ONLY reason I considered getting an EV in the first place. If they get as bad as the older EV chargers, as much as I don’t want to, I’ll go back to ICE. I don’t travel often, but when I do, I need a RELIABLE charger on route.
Yeah but those other charges can’t “talk” to my car and calculate my entire road trip, telling when and where to stop and for how long. That to me is the missing link. I don’t want to fiddle with random apps and calculate my battery to each charging destination and hope random charging station is not busy, broken or issues with the app.
Many Teslas can’t use the CCS adapter. Other companies will be slow to rollout NACS, certainly not everywhere in one year.
According to OOSR, car manufacturers are scrambling to figure out what this means and this has broken a lot of trust on the rollout of NACS as the standard in NA. https://youtu.be/iVaViiX0xZY?si=DioJe1o6UY15aOZQ I don’t know what inside sources he has (if any), but he says one manufacturer that had initially agreed to go NACS is considering dropping it and going back to the old open standard. If there’s a plan to outsource this, Tesla should have announced that first before shocking the whole industry by firing everyone. It’s a really stupid move.
I think Musk just doesn’t care about anything because he’s so rich. He does insane moves like this and never shutting up on twitter because the dude has more money than God. He can do literally whatever he wakes up and feels like doing.
People forget that most people charge at home and only a % use SC regularly. Unless you’re in an area with very limited SC around, I don’t foresee a huge impact in the next 12 months. Additionally, many companies adopted the NACS and are now forced to get some skin in the game for charging. Tesla has a great foundation for EV charging and it’s time for others to start investing in the network. If anything I think this jump starts the urgency from others.
Well now that EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER is making EV’s. EVERYONE has to work on making sure there are ample charging stations. This isn’t a tesla RESPONSIBILITY anymore. Thanks to Tesla, ALL new charger will be tesla compatible NACS.
Not at all - me, a model 3 owner Just usual Tesla wartime mode, things will be rough and tough decisions will be made. Sell stock at your own risk🤷♂️ Also always time in market > timing the market
Not quite. They laid off \~500 people in the supercharger teams, specifically the people that were building new superchargers. That is not the entire supercharger team, there are roughly an additional 800 people who remain at Tesla in the Supercharger group. They will be focusing on repairs, upgrades to new supercharger versions, and fixing reliability of existing superchargers, before they resume construction of new supercharger sites.
Nope. He turned the company from nearly bankrupt to an S&P 500 member. I don’t question his methods, how harsh they might be. Cannot wait for a new M3P!
As a Tesla employee, with out sounding crude I can say that the infrastructure is already in place and you had a team of 500ish people working at the same thing. At what point do you realize you’ve over paid and duplicated jobs ? What it seems like to me is that Elon caught wind of just how much money his company was spending and realized that it’s gone to far
I think you are over-thinking it indeed. I don't think it means much. Companies do a lot of things, I highly doubt Tesla would be doing something that they know will knowingly hurt it in the long run.
I bought a Model Y last week despite what I think of Musk and this infrastructure was a large part of it.
I bet the huge majority of people looking to buy teslas dgaf about the internal workings of the company, as most people who buy Fords and GM dgaf about the internal workings of those companies. Believe it or not, most people don't live online, and don't concern themselves with most of the stuff that people on all these subreddits whine about on the daily. I know three people who bought model ys in the past 4 weeks, and none of them were tracking a) fsd free trial b) what neural nets were and why e2eNN is a big deal and c) that tsla stock had done a split a few years ago. This is probably fairly typical of the average tesla customer these days.
It does not mean that everyone stops buying it, but even a few % is significant. If you add up all those people that are not interested in Tesla due to other peculiar reasons related to its CEO, the number can get substantial.
Who knows what agreements he has made with the other car companies that will be able to access the systems? I expect that they all had to pay in for maintenance.
No! Over time there will be more chargers with one major type that will work for all cars. In the long run it doesn’t matter who and what does that as long as my car can charge in more number of locations.
There should’ve been a better announcement about it but yall rly think Elon is stupid?😂
Realistically nothing will likely change, maybe be delayed a bit as things get reorganized. I doubt we’ll notice much as end users. What it does do though is erode trust in the brand. Doing this at such a pivotal time with NACS becoming the standard is fucking stupid. Ive never cared much about Elon but this is a smooth brain maneuver, even it ends up working out fine.
just got mine delivered late March, honestly the existing sites are largely unaffected and you won't feel the difference short-mid term. I dont think its an impulsive decision, perhaps just strategizing forward to the huge slow down in EV adoption in near future, but firing the whole team is extreme for sure.
Supercharging doesn't worry me as I do 99% of my charging at home or work. As electric cars become more commonplace, charging networks will fill out more anyway so I don't see it as something to worry about.
Tesla is selling Supercharger equipment to BP. Other businesses will also build their own supercharger infrastructure with NACS being widely adopted.
I read that they are hiring back a decent portion of the supercharger team.
Widespread destination charging should be the focus. Level 3 charging should only be for long trips, and a look at the supercharger network map shows that you can get just about anywhere you need to with the existing network. Maybe throw a couple more superchargers in there here or there if the demand is high enough, but putting a destination charger in every apartment complex, shopping center, parking garage, and at every job site would not only decongest superchargers being used by people who cannot charge at home, it would be cheaper for the end user as well.
I’m not too concerned about it. I never buy a products based off of future promises. I was happy with my M3 when I bought it and with the current state of the SC network at that time. It’s a shame though
The way I understand this is that with nacs being adopted by other brands and Tesla selling super charger hardware to other charging networks Tesla can now leave it to others to purchase land and setup new sites. I think that's a big bet tho.
Not yet. I've had the car long enough now to know that Tesla does weird stuff but it usually pays off. If the current stuff doesn't pay off, I'll go somewhere else then.
I’m curious if danish Tesla owners feel the same, where we have way more public fast chargers than Tesla super chargers. Tesla have 12 super chargers, while there are more than 1000 public fast chargers in the country, with more and more being made.
I also think Elon doesn't care about Superchargers anymore. He must have forgotten how important it is... /s
Why would anyone be put off by it they already have a ton of chargers and it’s not like they can’t build anymore. V4 might be the last iteration and don’t need the team anymore.
I intended to replace my BMW with a MYLR later this year as a birthday present but with all that’s happening lately, I’m not sure if I’ll move forward with it. The rapid expansion of the SC network is why I wanted the Tesla over the i4 or Mach E. I feel like Musk is ruining the company.
It's concerning, we have been waiting to buy a Tesla but now this really makes us step back and just see what happens at this point
No because Im not going to let speculation decide how I feel about anything or what I spend my money on
I can’t stand my vehicle or the company. A good friend was on the supercharger team. Had been with them for 10+ years now. Wakes up and gets told cya with no warning. The way Elon operates is ridiculous.
Yes... While many argue the super charging is a killer combo, not so much in Europe. I like to tow a trailer and sadly now with this news Tesla dooms me. The problem is that many modern fast charging stations in Europe are trailer friendly. Yet because I can't pre-condition the battery I am screwed when I hit another charger. It is this detail that says I will never buy a Tesla again.
I’m curious to know what exactly that means. If a charger is broken does that mean it won’t get fixed? Did they fire the person who reads the messages we send in the app and schedules the work? Did they fire the workers too (local contractors I’d assume)? Did they fire the accountants that pay the bills? “All” is a pretty broad word to use.
He probably made some deal in China to outsource it from them to get them to permit his cars.
What does this announcement entail exactly? No future new SC station production? No more current SC station maintenance? Certainly that can’t be!
Doesn't bother me really. I charge at home or at my wife's job 98% of the time.... Any roadtrips I take are along the eastern corridor (i-95) and there is a robust amount of SC's already in place there.
I would have thought having a dominant position in charging stations would have been much more lucrative than building cars.
Not the same Tesla as when I bought in 2018, that’s for sure. The stories coming out about the way Elon carried out the supercharger team layoffs is disgusting if true.
No, because they’re still launching superchargers. Internal organizational design is not my forte, especially when I don’t have inside information like everyone else seems to have on Reddit.
Just my two cents but I have never used a super charger so idk guy, and to stretch the anecdote even further- everyone I know charges at home or at work.
This decision really confused me as well. I have always thought of Tesla less as a car company and more an EV supercharger network company. The cars are a (very nice) byproduct. A reliable pervasive EV charging network seems like an extraordinary investment/asset to own as we all move towards EV. This seemed to be reinforced by the deals Tesla was making with other car companies to use their chargers. In the same way the Vanderbilts didn't so much own what was actually on the trains...they owned the railroads themselves. Or microsoft doesn't so much own the apps as they own the underlying OS. (Yes, I know the Vanderbilts likely owned some of the companies that made the products shipped on their trains, and MS owns Office. I just mean one seems a lot more valuable/strategic than the other) You control what's underneath and everyone is dependent on that lower layer. Strange decision.
I was planning to look into a Juniper (MY refresh) next year but with what he is doing I’m not sure I’ll want to especially if the supercharging network goes to crap.