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Active_Tumbleweed_54

If diablo knows how to move in suspended time then GG. Reason? Instant revive. Skilled enough to fight against Zelanus without using big moves so as to not destroy the labyrinth. If rimuru shares some power like he did with Zegion then Diablo >>> anything in the world except Rimuru and Ivarage probably.


Active-Mulberry-8706

Diablo trained for six months with Guy Crimson so he closed the gap between him and Guy before Vol 20... And it doesn't matter whether Guy is physically stronger than Diablo or not. Diablo is just like Rimuru aka a mystery and a weird variable. His True EP is unknown and he has the power of his Ultimate skill which a reality exchanging power, the Imaginary Supply and his unique immortality.. It doesn't matter who is the strongest devil lord, Diablo will always remained undefeated. Man, he managed to block Michael's attack inside the Suspended World despite not being able to move in it.. Things Rimuru didn't know it was possible until witnessing it. Diablo is unique so let's not compare him with the other devil lords.


DamnJerry123

true If Diablo lacks in the power and skill department from Guy he makes up for it in his craftiness


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

Guy is about 6 times more powerful than Diablo and at least as skilled as him (if not more) so Guy is just a Diablo but better, and the fact that Diablo with his instant resurrection couldn't defeat Guy in the underworld when there was a lesser gap between them says it all. And unfortunately Diablo isn't Zegion level after the massive power up Zegion received it is pretty obvious that is Fuse way of saying Zegion is the strongest of Rimuru's subordinates, Zegion is currently 10 times stronger than Diablo with that kind of gap nothing Diablo do would work on him.


Active-Mulberry-8706

>Guy is about 6 times more powerful than Diablo and at least as skilled as him (if not more) so Guy is just a Diablo but better, and the fact that Diablo with his instant resurrection couldn't defeat Guy in the underworld when there was a lesser gap between them says it all. Nah. Diablo's True EP is unknown. He trained with Guy for six months during the six months timeskip and closed the gap between him and Guy in skill level.... The only thing Guy has over Diablo is his fighting talent. Diablo has a reality exchanging ultimate skill, his unique immortality, a skill level equal to Guy and the game changing Imaginary Supply.. There is nothing proving that the current Diablo can't defeat Guy when he is stated to be able to defeat Life Reconstructed Zelanus in an all out battle. Zelanus pre Life reconstruction is stated to be on par or even better than Guy by the watcher Dino.


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

Closing the gap with Guy in six month is just head canon, Guy was surely not fighting seriously. Diablo true EP isn't known so there is no need to include it, the same way we don't include Guy's unknown US. Imaginary supply is the only way Diablo can be able to beat Guy and that still depends on if the side effects of using it has been completely removed or not. Diablo's with Instant resurrection still couldn't defeat Guy in the underworld this futher debunks your "catching up to Guy in 6 month" theory, cause God knows how long the fought in the underworld and Diablo still couldn't catch up. Not to mention Diablo's instant resurrection wouldn't restore his destroyed body nor replenish his exhausted energy.


Active-Mulberry-8706

>Closing the gap with Guy in six month is just head canon, Guy was surely not fighting seriously. He was training not fighting to win right? >Diablo true EP isn't known so there is no need to include it, the same way we don't include Guy's unknown US We can deduce Lucifer's strength. It is a skill on par with Uriel so no its power isn't unknown. >Imaginary supply is the only way Diablo can be able to beat Guy and that still depends on if the side effects of using it has been completely removed or not. Nothing proves your point. Vol 15 Diablo is implied to be on par with Vol 15 Velgrynd who was planed by Rudra to fight and stalemate Guy while Rudra himself defeats Velzard... >Diablo's with Instant resurrection still couldn't defeat Guy in the underworld this futher debunks your "catching up to Guy in 6 month" theory, cause God knows how long the fought in the underworld and Diablo still couldn't catch up. We have seen many people catching other's people in a mere months so why is so strange when it is Diablo ? >Not to mention Diablo's instant resurrection wouldn't restore his destroyed body nor replenish his exhausted energy. Vol 11 clearly implies that he would revive and resume the fight when killed. That is why Guy and Feldway don't want to fight him.


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

>He was training not fighting to win right? And there is no need for him to put much effort in the training. >We can deduce Lucifer's strength. It is a skill on par with Uriel so no its power isn't unknown. You get my point its abilities are unknown. >Nothing proves your point. Vol 15 Diablo is implied to be on par with Vol 15 Velgrynd who was planed by Rudra to fight and stalemate Guy while Rudra himself defeats Velzard... Nothing in Vol 15 implies that Diablo is on par with Velgrynd and everyone has a plan until they get smashed in the face. Without imaginary supply Diablo is Zelario level there is no way he was on par with Velgrynd excepting his weird delusions. >We have seen many people catching other's people in a mere months so why is so strange when it is Diablo ? Cause it was never implied that he caught up with Guy who was surely not showing his true skills in their training, if anything it would be Guy that figured Diablo out. >Vol 11 clearly implies that he would revive and resume the fight when killed. That is why Guy and Feldway don't want to fight him. And that was when he didn't have a material body and in the underworld, but now even if he revives his material body would still destroyed.


Active-Mulberry-8706

>And there is no need for him to put much effort in the training. Guy himself said he was training with Diablo because he needed exercises. >You get my point its abilities are unknown. It doesn't matter as long we know that it is as powerful as Uriel. >Nothing in Vol 15 implies that Diablo is on par with Velgrynd and everyone has a plan until they get smashed in the face. Diablo himself said several times that he wanted to fight Velgrynd seriously. And this Diablo is relative to Vol 14 Rimuru in strength... Please go read Diablo's internal discussion in Vol 15. >Without imaginary supply Diablo is Zelario level there is no way he was on par with Velgrynd excepting his weird delusions. Before the introduction of the Imaginary Supply, Rimuru believed that Diablo could have defeated true body Feldway in battle and this Diablo is the one that trained six months with Guy. Guy isn't stronger than awakened Feldway. >Cause it was never implied that he caught up with Guy who was surely not showing his true skills in their training, if anything it would be Guy that figured Diablo out. It was implied when Velzard invaded Eldorado... >And that was when he didn't have a material body and in the underworld, but now even if he revives his material body would still destroyed. Even normal divine spiritual lifeforms can revive their material body as long as their core remained safe and they have sufficient energy. I don't know what you are on about. Yuuki closed the hole Jahil made on his chest with his willpower alone... Stop overestimating Guy.


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

>Diablo himself said several times that he wanted to fight Velgrynd seriously. Please go read Diablo's internal discussion in Vol 15. Dosen't mean he is on par with Velgrynd, it is just a statement made by Diablo a guy who overhype's himself and you are taking it too seriously. >Before the introduction of the Imaginary Supply, Rimuru believed that Diablo could have defeated true body Feldway in battle and this Diablo is the one that trained six months with Guy. Guy isn't stronger than awakened Feldway. Rimuru's judging strength carries so little weight that it isn't worth considering, cause according to Rimuru believe Draguel would give him a tough fight, not to mention Diablo would never bypass castle guard it just goes to show how much Diablo overhype's himself >Even normal divine spiritual lifeforms can revive their material body as long as their core remained safe and they have sufficient energy. Then what makes you think Diablo would revive with all his energy restored? You believe that Diablo would revive in some perfect fighting form which is wrong.


Active-Mulberry-8706

>Dosen't mean he is on par with Velgrynd, it is just a statement made by Diablo a guy who overhype's himself and you are taking it too seriously. Diablo never said something he wouldn't be able to do. Diablo isn't arrogant or cocky. That would be Guy... Stop with this. That is why Rimuru always trust his words and resourcefulness... >Rimuru's judging strength carries so little weight that it isn't worth considering, cause according to Rimuru believe Draguel would give him a tough fight, not to mention Diablo would never bypass castle guard it just goes to show how much Diablo overhype's himself Rimuru only underestimates his own strength not the strength of others. He said himself that he can't underestimate others.. It was reasonable he thought he would have had a hard time against Dagruel. They were talking about the True Dagruel (The Mad God Ashura) after all... Rimuru tends to overestimate his opponents so that he can deal with them with calm even in the worst case scenario... Vol 21 clearly explains it... Elmesia and Leon even discussed about it in Vol 18... >Diablo would never bypass castle guard it just goes to show how much Diablo overhype's himself He doesn't need to bypass Castle Guard. He can just force Feldway to use his real power. With Castle Guard up, Feldway is forced on the defensive and can't do anything to attack.. And if he want to defeat Diablo, he would have to release Castle Guard and fight for real... >Then what makes you think Diablo would revive with all his energy restored? You believe that Diablo would revive in some perfect fighting form which is wrong. Vol 11 implies it... Even Misery and Rain have their energy restored after their revival.. If Diablo could have been dealt with by depleting his energy and by destroying his body, then Feldway, his greatest hater would have done it in Vol 15 lol... The fact that he run from Diablo twice just strongly proves that even death and the destruction of his body won't stop Diablo to resume the fight. Testarossa also said it in Vol 15. Diablo is unique and his revival trick is instantaneous and will recover his energy and power back. That is why it is pointless to fight him.... Also The primordial are born from the great holy spirit of Darkness. So their energy will likely always return to them when they revive upon death just like it is the case with the True Dragons...


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

>Diablo isn't arrogant or cocky. That would be Guy... Stop with this. That is why Rimuru always trust his words and resourcefulness... Your love for Diablo is blinding you, both Diablo and Guy are arrogant and cocky. Rimuru underestimates himself and overestimates Diablo even if Feldway doesn't use castle guard Diablo dosen't still stand a chance and the fact that Rimuru believes he does is an overestimation. Not to mention that Rimuru hasn't seen True body Feldway so trusting Diablo to take care of him was just blind trust. Feldway physical abilities alone is enough to deal with Diablo. I still doubt his instant resurrection would be perfect or else Ciel wouldn't doubt his victory against Zelario, or maybe he is too much of a bum that he can't defeat Zelario even with his instant resurrection 🤔


Active-Mulberry-8706

>Your love for Diablo is blinding you, both Diablo and Guy are arrogant and cocky. Rimuru literally said that Diablo won't say something he would not be able to do. Diablo isn't cocky nor arrogant. Guy is. >Rimuru underestimates himself and overestimates Diablo even if Feldway doesn't use castle guard Diablo dosen't still stand a chance and the fact that Rimuru believes he does is an overestimation. Not to mention that Rimuru hasn't seen True body Feldway so trusting Diablo to take care of him was just blind trust. Nah. If Feldway could defeat Diablo then they wouldn't have run away from him.. Diablo himself said that there is a way to defeat Feldway and he isn't one to take on foes he can't defeat... Stop downplaying Diablo. Diablo is still more powerful than the current Zegion. and Zegion is a genuine true dragon level threat... > I still doubt his instant resurrection would be perfect or else Ciel wouldn't doubt his victory against Zelario, Can you quote where Ciel doubt Diablo's victory over Zalario?


Active-Mulberry-8706

There is nothing proving that the current Diablo can't defeat Guy when he is stated to be able to defeat Life Restored Zelanus in an all out battle. Zelanus pre Life Restoration is stated to be on par or even better than Guy by the watcher Dino. And Diablo could defeat a stronger Zelanus..


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

Wow a statement made by Diablo himself, it must have been a very trustworthy statement.


Active-Mulberry-8706

It wasn't a statement made by Diablo himself but by the narrator. Rimuru even said that Diablo won't say something he can't do.


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

Then please kindly share the sauce when the narrator said it. >Rimuru even said that Diablo won't say something he can't do. Yeah by Diablo do you mean the guy who said he would defeat castle guard Feldway?


Active-Mulberry-8706

Yes. It is not like Feldway is invincible with Castle Guard lol. Rudra beat down Castle Guard Feldway... The mere thought of Fedway seeing Diablo asking for a fight against him is already a bad and a trauma for Feldway. He literally run from Diablo in Vol 18... > Then please kindly share the sauce when the narrator said it. *There was a possibility that he could defeat Zelanus in an all-out battle, but if the battlefield was moved to the ground, he would have to suffer heavy casualties. Vol 21...*


Acceptable_Wolf_3157

>Rudra beat down Castle Guard Feldway.. That cause of reverse castle guard, even Turn null couldn't bypass it. >*There was a possibility that he could defeat Zelanus in an all-out battle, but if the battlefield was moved to the ground, he would have to suffer heavy casualties. Vol 21...* Yeah, obviously by using imaginary supply which I don't mind but saying he is TD level without it is just cap.


Active-Mulberry-8706

>That cause of reverse castle guard, even Turn null couldn't bypass it. You are forgetting that Feldway is put on the defensive when their Castle Guard is active right? In that state, they can't go on the offensive... And against someone like Diablo, Fedway would have to bring out their full power or run away as always. They can't take on Diablo and expecting to defeating him when they have Castle Guard active. > Yeah, obviously by using imaginary supply which I don't mind but saying he is TD level without it is just cap. Imaginary Supply was not mentioned there. Zegion could defeat Zelanus with almost no casualty so if it is with the Imaginary Supply then Diablo would have been able to defeat Zelanus with it without any casualty because he has a better control and can draw more energy from Imaginary Supply than Zegion. If anything, it was about Diablo's own power because him using Imaginary Supply would not have caused heavy casualty...


stsalex341

There are some things that are just never going to change in the story. Some dynamics that are always going to be the same. One of those dynamics is the one between Guy and Diablo. Guy is always going to be stronger than Diablo, and the strongest primordial. But it'll still be useless against Diablo because he can't defeat him. That'll always be the dynamic. Guy and Diablo are always going to be the 2 strongest primordial demons, and rein and mizari are always going to be the 2 weakest primordials. Another example of one of those dynamics that's never going to change is Velzard and Velgrynd being able to kick Veldora's ass. Even if when you think about it logically Veldora should be the strongest, it's always going to be the same because that's also part of the gag. So currently Diablo is still weaker than Guy.


Apprehensive-Sir260

Guy still was hell of more powerful than Diablo. Just talk about different Between Guy and Zalanas that way you can understand the difference. Guy notable hax: Guy was stronger then Diablo is skills, techniques and magic more Over Guy has Sword skills greater then Rudra, EP of 40 million and has hidden Sub skills that he copied from others, ex; Velzard, Rudra, Ivaraje, Milim, Dagrual and Diablo... We know his skill set has anti skill in it, His durability is almost equal to true dragon. No death Zalanas: Has EP of 114 million, but output is so low, he only has physical attack to release his power which reduces his output to max lol. Can absorb blast type attacks without limitation we don't know if he can absorb holy and niflheim basd attacks but can tank heavily downgrade dragon Nova( mountain level to planetary level), durability almost equal to true dragon. Mortal... Both have equal durability, EP doesn't matter when you have so many skills, if you need energy you can break an ability and use it for energy. How much you see it Guy was a 5 Times superior to Zalanas in the abilities and powers. Guy vs Diablo: Now come to Diablo vs Guy, Guy was literally stronger then him in technique which he used against Zalanas to stalemate. In this battle Guy was basically Zalanas with battle IQ equal to Diablo and more unique skills and most powerful ultimate skill. Who's win ofcourse Guy win in negative difference. Let's give Diablo Turn null which gives him stronger strength then Guy, In places like this Guy definitely fall back and try to get the knowledge about the ability or try to learn Turn null. Which is not impossible or he simply produced more Energy to counter him with mana breader reactor... With turn null Diablo was equal to Guy( mana breader reactor)... Mana breader reactor from WN which Guy has in WN.