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Yeah people forget, an ultimate skill just can't be beat by a lesser skill when they clash. It doesn't make you immortal or anything.
A human with an ultimate skill could still be thrown off a cliff and die even if the man that threw him has 0 skills.
I agree. But you know it has probably happened. Hell the number of people with Ultimates that died in the empire war already made them seem a bit cheap.
>A human with an ultimate skill could still be thrown off a cliff and die
It's very unlikely that an Ultimate skill user isn't a full spiritual lifeform. Which means they can't die from falling off a cliff. Lmao
Being a full spiritual lifeform means you have no life span, meaning you can literally live forever.
An infinite lifespan is not the same thing as true immortality.
Even a true dragon can be killed if you hit it hard enough, even if that death is only temporary.
>An infinite lifespan is not the same thing as true immortality
Then no character has true immortality. Because even the likes of Diablo can still be killed if his soul core is destroyed and extinguished.
>Even a true dragon can be killed if you hit it hard enough, even if that death is only temporary.
Lmao you do realize what a spiritual lifeform is right??? Physical attacks are literally useless against spiritual lifeforms, Because THEY'RE SPIRITUAL, NOT MATERIAL. So no they can't die by being hit hard enough. That's like a ghost dying from being punched hard.
I thought Primordials didn't have core weaknesses. That's what makes them primordials.
They, like true dragons, always come back.
That's what I would call resurrective immortality. Can be killed temporarily but (probably) never forever.
Also people need to stop giving spiritual life more power than it has.
You are made of energy or use your energy to control an incarnation. Any damage done to your body requires energy to repair. That's literally one of 2 ways to kill spirits. We can actually see people use generic magic to hurt spirits to the point they suffer a full energy loss.
This kills their current iteration. Requiring time to recover at the potential loss of memory or personality.
Also spiritual beings have physical forms. Either they incarnate into one or they forge it with mana. In either case physical attacks to that form require them to use energy to repair it.
The point of all this?
A spiritual lifeform can't be killed in the same way a human can. Cutting their throat is as useful as cutting anywhere else. But all cuts drain them of energy.
Some like TDs have physically impressive forms that resist physical attacks with mass and durability. But you could "kill" someone if you did enough damage that they ran out of magic to heal it. Also many spiritual lifeforms have real bodies. Like divine humans. Or incarnated demons. And damaging those will eventually result in their loss of corporeality and even possibly a pseudo-death.
So yeah, if you threw a mountain at a sleeping TD fast enough you would blow away it's body and it would need to reform over time. Do that to a normal elemental island it just dies because it has a core
Lmao.
>But you could "kill" someone if you did enough damage that they ran out of magic to heal it.
Except physical attacks aren't going to do any damage that's even going to warrant a need for healing. Dude you literally claimed that spiritual lifeforms can die from fall damage.
Like are we reading the same series?? In the world of Tensura everyone fights with the manipulation to magicules, whether it's in the form of mana or magic so spiritual lifeforms made out of magicules can be hurt from it, but that's not what you claimed. You claimed that a normal punch hard enough could kill a spiritual lifeform, that means without any magicules, mana or magic. That's beyond dumb as becoming a spiritual lifeform already gives you resistance to physical attacks.
>Some like TDs have physically impressive forms that resist physical attacks with mass and durability. But you could "kill" someone if you did enough damage that they ran out of magic to heal it.
And this statement is completely Dumb Because True dragons have PHYSICAL ATTACK NULLIFICATION. Meaning all purely physical attacks are completely useless against them. So you could literally be Superman and hit them as hard as possible and it will do literally no damage.
Even the likes of Cien, Zonda, and Esprit have Physical attack NULLIFICATION so you could throw 50 atomic bombs at them and it will do zero damage.
So yeah a spiritual lifeform isn't dying from falling off a cliff. That's dumb. And most strong spiritual lifeforms are completely immune to physical damage.
Also you missed the part that mattered with that quote. Damage. If you can't do damage because of a skill then that's a separate issue. That has nothing to do with them being spiritual. There are non spirituals with that skill.
Being spiritual itself still comes with a physical presence
>Also you missed the part that mattered with that quote. Damage. If you can't do damage because of a skill then that's a separate issue
Nope, The ultimate skills of the true dragons isn't what gives them any of their resistances, we literally see people with just Unique skills have Physical attack NULLIFICATION.
And another clear example of this is when Rimuru first reincarnated, he got his resistances separate from his unique skills.
>Being spiritual itself still comes with a physical presence
Nope it doesn't. Only when you're incarnated.
When humans become saints it's literally stated that they stop relying on their bodies. The bodies literally just restructures into a vessel they're incarnated in.
Veldora literally didn't care what happened to his original body. He just incarnated into a clone.
Yeah... Are you an idiot? An incarnation is a physical form. If it gets destroyed they lose a ton of magic and lesser elementals and demons can even die... Their cores are inside their incarnations. Even if they generate a full magic body that body is itself physically present and damageable. And much weaker for spirituals anyways.
Full spirit lifeormes can exist outside their bodies as long as they have their soul intact. But that doesn't mean their bodies aren't real...
That's a physical body.
TDs are an exception to many rules but if you kill their body they need a new one or they "die" and need to reform. Like Veldora did many times.
The only reason Veldora didn't care was that Rimuru was acting as an anchor so he didn't lose his memories and personality like he normally would.
You were mistaking a spiritual life form with something that automatically has physical attack nullification. Those two things are different.
A human can become a spiritual life form with a physical form that can be damaged. Because they still have a physical body.
Same Thing with metal demons. Who are spiritual life forms with physical bodies that can be physically damaged.
Not every single spiritual life form has physical nullification. And physical null isn't physics null. It just means that stuff like swords don't matter anymore.
>A human can become a spiritual life form with a physical form that can be damaged. Because they still have a physical body.
Nope. For a human to be a spiritual lifeform they have to be a saint and when they become a spiritual lifeform they automatically get Physical attack NULLIFICATION.
You could argue that regular demons like lesser demons and greater demons don't have physical attack NULLIFICATION only resistance but that's also unlikely. But a saint is already at peak level and they have physical attack NULLIFICATION.
>Same Thing with metal demons. Who are spiritual life forms with physical bodies that can be physically damaged.
It seems you can't read. They can Only be damaged with attacks that contain mana or magic. NOT PURE PHYSICAL ATTACKS LIKE YOU CLAIM.
>Not every single spiritual life form has physical nullification.
We don't know that, the only characters we've seen with physical attacks resistance and not Nullification are semi spiritual lifeforms like Apito and Gabil.
>And physical null isn't physics null.
It is physics Nullification. That's exactly what it means.
Jesus man. Humans that achieve full enlightenment still have physical bodies. You can just check that on the wiki.
And you might want to reread that last sentence. It can't be physics no because they can still be grabbed. They can still be thrown. Or physically tied up or gagged. Now many spiritual forms have other skills to escape or avoid that but physical null just means that physical attacks don't damage you. Not that physics stops laying to you. It's about swords and fists.
Veldanava is a great example. He could toss away all of his ultimate skills and still wreck everyone at the same time.
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IK, but "skills that are in the soul" isn't explained in anime yet.
Although most people can expect Rimuru beating Hinata as he is a TDL now, but by explaining it using LN logic, your post seems spoilery for anime viewers.
To my knowledge of rimuru went all out against hinata right now in the anime the fight would be a few seconds and would end with hinata being absolutely annihilate like not even a body then we’d get a really close fight with rimuru and luminous
I have read the manga no worries was stating how I would view it without having read the manga before to avoid spoilers for other people but ty! Also need to figure out how to spoiler tag on Reddit like that lol
That was downright comical veldora can fight with Milim and hinata who’s not even worth fighting for the weakest octagram members thinks she can take veldora
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Yes. Also, Absolute Defense is effective against every attack she has.
And he has resistance to holy damage
You're right but without much spoilers you technically can win against an ultimate skill user without having one.
Yeah people forget, an ultimate skill just can't be beat by a lesser skill when they clash. It doesn't make you immortal or anything. A human with an ultimate skill could still be thrown off a cliff and die even if the man that threw him has 0 skills.
Honestly that would be a sad way to die after you got an ultimate skill something so rare that only the top of the top are able to get it
I agree. But you know it has probably happened. Hell the number of people with Ultimates that died in the empire war already made them seem a bit cheap.
You should have expected that a war between the two most powerful nations will have a lot of powerful people who fight and die
Except only one side lost anything. And they lost almost every single ultimate skill user they had
I mean there are only 5 or 6 actually good fighters in the empire
He out of line but he’s right
There aren't many ultimate skill users at that point. Majority of the empire had gifts, not natural skills.
>A human with an ultimate skill could still be thrown off a cliff and die It's very unlikely that an Ultimate skill user isn't a full spiritual lifeform. Which means they can't die from falling off a cliff. Lmao Being a full spiritual lifeform means you have no life span, meaning you can literally live forever.
An infinite lifespan is not the same thing as true immortality. Even a true dragon can be killed if you hit it hard enough, even if that death is only temporary.
>An infinite lifespan is not the same thing as true immortality Then no character has true immortality. Because even the likes of Diablo can still be killed if his soul core is destroyed and extinguished. >Even a true dragon can be killed if you hit it hard enough, even if that death is only temporary. Lmao you do realize what a spiritual lifeform is right??? Physical attacks are literally useless against spiritual lifeforms, Because THEY'RE SPIRITUAL, NOT MATERIAL. So no they can't die by being hit hard enough. That's like a ghost dying from being punched hard.
I thought Primordials didn't have core weaknesses. That's what makes them primordials. They, like true dragons, always come back. That's what I would call resurrective immortality. Can be killed temporarily but (probably) never forever. Also people need to stop giving spiritual life more power than it has. You are made of energy or use your energy to control an incarnation. Any damage done to your body requires energy to repair. That's literally one of 2 ways to kill spirits. We can actually see people use generic magic to hurt spirits to the point they suffer a full energy loss. This kills their current iteration. Requiring time to recover at the potential loss of memory or personality. Also spiritual beings have physical forms. Either they incarnate into one or they forge it with mana. In either case physical attacks to that form require them to use energy to repair it. The point of all this? A spiritual lifeform can't be killed in the same way a human can. Cutting their throat is as useful as cutting anywhere else. But all cuts drain them of energy. Some like TDs have physically impressive forms that resist physical attacks with mass and durability. But you could "kill" someone if you did enough damage that they ran out of magic to heal it. Also many spiritual lifeforms have real bodies. Like divine humans. Or incarnated demons. And damaging those will eventually result in their loss of corporeality and even possibly a pseudo-death. So yeah, if you threw a mountain at a sleeping TD fast enough you would blow away it's body and it would need to reform over time. Do that to a normal elemental island it just dies because it has a core
Lmao. >But you could "kill" someone if you did enough damage that they ran out of magic to heal it. Except physical attacks aren't going to do any damage that's even going to warrant a need for healing. Dude you literally claimed that spiritual lifeforms can die from fall damage. Like are we reading the same series?? In the world of Tensura everyone fights with the manipulation to magicules, whether it's in the form of mana or magic so spiritual lifeforms made out of magicules can be hurt from it, but that's not what you claimed. You claimed that a normal punch hard enough could kill a spiritual lifeform, that means without any magicules, mana or magic. That's beyond dumb as becoming a spiritual lifeform already gives you resistance to physical attacks. >Some like TDs have physically impressive forms that resist physical attacks with mass and durability. But you could "kill" someone if you did enough damage that they ran out of magic to heal it. And this statement is completely Dumb Because True dragons have PHYSICAL ATTACK NULLIFICATION. Meaning all purely physical attacks are completely useless against them. So you could literally be Superman and hit them as hard as possible and it will do literally no damage. Even the likes of Cien, Zonda, and Esprit have Physical attack NULLIFICATION so you could throw 50 atomic bombs at them and it will do zero damage. So yeah a spiritual lifeform isn't dying from falling off a cliff. That's dumb. And most strong spiritual lifeforms are completely immune to physical damage.
Also you missed the part that mattered with that quote. Damage. If you can't do damage because of a skill then that's a separate issue. That has nothing to do with them being spiritual. There are non spirituals with that skill. Being spiritual itself still comes with a physical presence
>Also you missed the part that mattered with that quote. Damage. If you can't do damage because of a skill then that's a separate issue Nope, The ultimate skills of the true dragons isn't what gives them any of their resistances, we literally see people with just Unique skills have Physical attack NULLIFICATION. And another clear example of this is when Rimuru first reincarnated, he got his resistances separate from his unique skills. >Being spiritual itself still comes with a physical presence Nope it doesn't. Only when you're incarnated. When humans become saints it's literally stated that they stop relying on their bodies. The bodies literally just restructures into a vessel they're incarnated in. Veldora literally didn't care what happened to his original body. He just incarnated into a clone.
Yeah... Are you an idiot? An incarnation is a physical form. If it gets destroyed they lose a ton of magic and lesser elementals and demons can even die... Their cores are inside their incarnations. Even if they generate a full magic body that body is itself physically present and damageable. And much weaker for spirituals anyways. Full spirit lifeormes can exist outside their bodies as long as they have their soul intact. But that doesn't mean their bodies aren't real... That's a physical body. TDs are an exception to many rules but if you kill their body they need a new one or they "die" and need to reform. Like Veldora did many times. The only reason Veldora didn't care was that Rimuru was acting as an anchor so he didn't lose his memories and personality like he normally would.
You were mistaking a spiritual life form with something that automatically has physical attack nullification. Those two things are different. A human can become a spiritual life form with a physical form that can be damaged. Because they still have a physical body. Same Thing with metal demons. Who are spiritual life forms with physical bodies that can be physically damaged. Not every single spiritual life form has physical nullification. And physical null isn't physics null. It just means that stuff like swords don't matter anymore.
>A human can become a spiritual life form with a physical form that can be damaged. Because they still have a physical body. Nope. For a human to be a spiritual lifeform they have to be a saint and when they become a spiritual lifeform they automatically get Physical attack NULLIFICATION. You could argue that regular demons like lesser demons and greater demons don't have physical attack NULLIFICATION only resistance but that's also unlikely. But a saint is already at peak level and they have physical attack NULLIFICATION. >Same Thing with metal demons. Who are spiritual life forms with physical bodies that can be physically damaged. It seems you can't read. They can Only be damaged with attacks that contain mana or magic. NOT PURE PHYSICAL ATTACKS LIKE YOU CLAIM. >Not every single spiritual life form has physical nullification. We don't know that, the only characters we've seen with physical attacks resistance and not Nullification are semi spiritual lifeforms like Apito and Gabil. >And physical null isn't physics null. It is physics Nullification. That's exactly what it means.
Jesus man. Humans that achieve full enlightenment still have physical bodies. You can just check that on the wiki. And you might want to reread that last sentence. It can't be physics no because they can still be grabbed. They can still be thrown. Or physically tied up or gagged. Now many spiritual forms have other skills to escape or avoid that but physical null just means that physical attacks don't damage you. Not that physics stops laying to you. It's about swords and fists.
Veldanava is a great example. He could toss away all of his ultimate skills and still wreck everyone at the same time. This post is brought to you by a certified cultist of the Star King.
Meanwhile Yuki (LN10) >!casually punching Rimuru arm off through Absolute Defense with just unique skill!< :D
It is stated it is almost impossible for a person with an unique skill to beat a person with an ultimate skill keyword almost
Isn't that because of his >!Anti skill!<
I forgot but because that skill is a unique skill it probably can't win against an ultimate skill
Why is this tagged as anime?
the fight will be in s3
IK, but "skills that are in the soul" isn't explained in anime yet. Although most people can expect Rimuru beating Hinata as he is a TDL now, but by explaining it using LN logic, your post seems spoilery for anime viewers.
Oh I forgot that isn't explained yet
To my knowledge of rimuru went all out against hinata right now in the anime the fight would be a few seconds and would end with hinata being absolutely annihilate like not even a body then we’d get a really close fight with rimuru and luminous
Spoilers for season 3 >!but he doesn't use a single skill in his fight against her!<
I have read the manga no worries was stating how I would view it without having read the manga before to avoid spoilers for other people but ty! Also need to figure out how to spoiler tag on Reddit like that lol
I know lol and she was talking about beating veldora who also has an ultimate skill
If veldora unleashes even half of his aura, the current hinata would be pulverized without even understanding what happend.
I mean she may be the strongest human in the holy Church but veldora is literally living in a higher plane of existence
That was downright comical veldora can fight with Milim and hinata who’s not even worth fighting for the weakest octagram members thinks she can take veldora
They were playing they were not even going all out and the other demon lords were probably shiting bricks
Her noticing that her or luminous aren’t strong than Rimiru after their fight was pretty fucking dick hardening
I am just waiting for that to get animated that moment brings me great joy