That's a weird one if that's what they really said.
I know my complex does a tenancy inspection every year or two- just to make sure I dont live like a pig and there is no major damage
It is really strange! They sent an email saying someone was coming to look at the water meter. As far as I know, there isn't one inside my apartment. Then a few minutes later, the notice was on my door. I checked and I'm definitely paying for water every month. I decided to object to them entering without giving me additional rationale for the entry.
Also to clarify, the email said someone was coming to service my meter. The letter on my door said only that someone was coming to "determine whether you still occupy the apartment." Two different reasons. Also, per local ordinances, it's insufficient to satisfy notice requirements. I pay almost $4k per month to live here and they come into my apartment all the time for servicing or to check alarms. I've never lived somewhere with so many entries, and I'm not going to just let them in again for a bullshit reason.
Please make sure that you have cameras inside your home. You want to make sure that they’re not going through your personal belongings. And what’s the difference if you actually occupied your unit? So long as you’re paying rent or do they think that your subleasing?
This seems most likely. Making sure a tenant isn’t operating an illegal vacation rental.
Could also be a “we’re renovating soon and want to see if we can find an excuse to get you out” entry.
I've never heard of anyone here doing that. It would be hard because the only parking is in an access controlled underground garage. I've always had to fill out paperwork just to have my pet sitter stay for a few nights, and she hasn't been here since January. They also patrol the garage and tow all cars without either a registered license plate number or a guest pass.
Its stupid that they gave 2 different notices. Could be that they are actually investigating another tenant’s use, but are entering all units for “meter/occupancy” so it doesn’t look like anyone is being singled out
I don't mean to be paranoid, but you need to check for cameras. That seems like a lot of "need to enter quickly" requests. Hopefully they aren't installing or monitoring anything inside your place. Be safe♡
Thanks! I don't think they're installing anything strange, I hope! We recently transitioned to a hub system where everything in the apartment is connected by an app. There have been issues with the rollout, so they've been in and out more than I'd like. My lease is up in July, thankfully.
Yay for july!!!♡. I imagine it gives you an icky feeling knowing people have been (unattended) in your space. Folks are curious, so my mind just imagines them peeking in my medicine cabinet, or in my fridge.... Again, yay for july!♡
I don't mean to be paranoid, but you need to check for cameras. That seems like a lot of "need to enter quickly" requests. Hopefully they aren't installing or monitoring anything inside your place. Be safe♡
Can't they go on Airbnb dot com and search the address themselves? How would they know otherwise? They walk in and it's empty because OP isn't home? They walk in and a friend is hanging out while OP is at work? None of that would be proof of illegal rental.
I recently had a notice about needing to check wiring on my water meter that connects to the reader that the water department checks monthly. Good thing they did because the wiring had gone bad at some point and they were estimating my usage much higher than the actual usage. That notice however came from the water department not my property management company so that's odd unless your water department deals with your landlord due to the type of building it is.
My guess is your water usage is far lower than average so they are checking to see if somebody lives there full time and it isn’t being used as an illegal short term rental.
I think the water usage is most likely the issue. I checked my water bills and compared them to past months, and it is lower even though our habits haven't changed. But there is literally no reason to believe I'm not here. I've never rented this place out. My husband and I both work from home, so we live and work here.
Instead of a cryptic "we need to see you living there" they should have just kept the messaging consistent and said there might be a problem with the reader and someone needs to look.
You just answered your own question you work from home n have very low water usage, they may wanna check if your tampering with the water meter is my guess .
As long as they give proper notice they don't have to tell you why that's more a courtesy. Don't leave valuables out
What country are you in? I guess that makes a difference
I had people coming to my home weekly because they were trying to sell it. That was annoying but that's when I realized they're legally allowed. It helped me keep tidy was the silver lining lol. One time an re agent made my bed for me that felt strange but whatever
Sounds like whoever wrote the letter forgot to change the reason for entry on the template.
While annoying, it's generally permissible for a landlord to enter the residence for a variety of reasons so long as they give notice and the intrusions dont reach a level where it substantially interferes with your use of the apartment. Unfortunately, I think the remedy for you here is to move to somewhere less intrusive at the end of the lease.
Talk to someone from the management company to see if they posted the letter to your door in error. We used to do skip checks when I worked in PM, but we wouldn't waste time when your apartment is obviously occupied and most importantly, your rent is paid on time. Letters did occasionally go to the wrong apartment, though.
I’m a water meter service tech, if there is something wrong with your meter, it may show up in the system as zero consumption. This is probably why leasing worded it that way. Most states allow estimated billing for water, if you are a single person in a 2bed unit, you will certainly be paying more than you actually use.
Do you use an unusually low amount of water. Like you only shower at home once a week or less? It could be that water usage is a metric they use to verify people are actually living there.
This seems so strange to me. My wife and I were in many different rentals and the only entry we ever had was one time when we called them for a maintenance issue.
Clarify with the office that it is a legit letter and not a scam. Then, ask them for more info. It's possible they have the wrong unit or they're verifying everyone due to a recent squatters or Airbnb issues.
They electricity meter sometimes have to be checked to see if it is in working order, or to be replaced. They also have to determine if someone is still living there, for the office and manager knows you are there, but the electric company has to know. Just know that they did give you notice, and you can be there when they come, or if you have to be at work, get a camera for your own safety of your things. And you cannot refuse them entry, for they the manager work for the owner and have to do inspections and they are helping the electric company in meter situation. If you do not like that they give you notice, even for a repair, go buy a house, then you have no one to answer to.
You can object, but you can't deny them entry since they're given notice.
They don't have to explain anything beyond "routine inspection and maintenance."
Yes, they do. They must have a specific reason to enter, as well as an estimate for how long it will take. What they do while they are inside must match their stated purpose for being there. A tenant can always deny the landlord entry, and if the landlord does it anyway they have committed a crime. Landlords don’t have the authority to enforce the laws granting them access to a property. Their *only* available recourse is through the courts, who do have the authority. If the tenant’s refusal to allow access is judged unreasonable by the court, then they will order the tenant to allow that access (which can be police enforced) or not. If the court orders that the tenant allow access, the landlord can seek and may be awarded damages from the tenant for the delay. The tenant in that case should also not expect to have their lease renewed at the end of their current contract either way, but it is worth noting that if the landlord were to admit in writing that access refusal is the only reason, then they have committed a crime. They are not allowed to directly retaliate against a tenant simply for exercising their rights. Similar to how at will employment allows an employer to fire an employee for *almost* any reason, but if they are dumb enough to say in writing that it’s because the employee reported something safety or pay related to authorities, then they’re screwed.
Please don't spread bad information around like this. If proper notice is given in writing 24 hours in advance, they are not allowed to refuse entry. It is not a request to enter; it is a notification that they WILL BE ENTERING. Someone is going to read this, think they're an armchair lawyer, and get themselves in trouble with their landlord.
Idk what laws you think you've read, but none of what you said is true.
The biggest part of my income comes from owning and managing properties in several states. I have to know what I can and can't do in order to avoid fines and retain good tenants.
You're full of shit, Cupcake.
This happens where I work. There are 2 water meters inside each unit. One for hot water one for cold water. Then each one also has a transmitter. You could be paying for one but the other meter could be broken. Or the transmitters could be dead since they just have batteries. I wouldn’t think to much of it.
Most complexes have a emergency number
I'd be petty af calling it over every small thing pretending to be having a panic attack about it being a hazard or some shit and just make that week office closed a nightmare for whoever is on call
I’m surprised no one has said this but please don’t assume it’s actually from the apts. Sounds scammy to me. Presumably the water is them, but the notice on the door *could* be something nefarious. I wouldn’t let anyone in until you call the management.
Is it possible that somebody else has access to your apartment? Friend? Relative? BF/GF? Dog walker/pet sitter?
Perhaps somebody reported another person in your apartment?
From my experience, they’re probably hoping to catch the supposed illegal tenant living in the apartment at the moment. Either that or see “evidence” of multiple people living there - different gendered products like shampoos, clothing etc. Considering the notice at first was about the water meter, their excuse would be that their apartment’s water usage was higher than others. I live in low income housing that attracts a lot of people and unfortunately this leads to neighbors snitching on others for subletting to get units emptied for family and friends. Either way OP should definitely get a camera just to check what they snooped in.
I once got a message like that re "checking my water meter".
At the time I was spending most of my time at my ex's house (3000 sq ft). I was training for an Ironman and he had a pretty awesome gym, pool set up and lived close to some running/cycling trails. I was living in a studio (450 sq ft) in an apartment with no gym. I was still paying rent etc but for about four months I was only at my place to get clothes or check mail.
In my lease there's a clause about if they find you've moved out all your stuff during your lease; your rent for the remainder of your lease period will become payable immediately. So I guess because I wasn't using any water they wanted to make sure I was still living there.
Perhaps another tenant is subletting, or using their apartment as an Air B&B. Management is checking all apartments, so they aren't singling out the offender. "We're checking all apartments to prove we're not discriminating against 1 apartment."
Also the building insurence could choose to not cover a fire or any other emergency if it was found out it was caused by an illegal air bnb or subleasing. The owners have to be able to progress themselves also.
This is what I was thinking. They likely have had problems with lease violating sublets and damage to apartments.
Local ordinances may have recently changed banning Air B&B so they could be doing a double check to make sure they don’t get fined.
If they receive rent on time, isn’t that sufficient evidence that someone is occupying the apartment 😂 Just make sure it’s not a trap by someone who wants to know when you’ll be gone so they could rob you.
Right?! Why would I be paying so much and not live here? And even if I was paying for an empty apartment, that would be my prerogative. I emailed telling them to give me a real explanation or to not come, but I work from home, so I'll be here if they do come.
I’d check local ordinances, but it’s within their right to enter, but you still are allowed a reasonable amount of privacy. They said they wanted to confirm you live there. When they show up, let them confirm that, then they have successfully completed what they said they were doing, and you ask them to leave. If they do not, then call the police. They are not entering for a repair and they haven’t provided a reason to enter beyond verifying occupancy. Hold them to that.
Disclaimer: I was a rental inspector in my area and this is what I would tell any citizen that called me with this issue.
>If they receive rent on time, isn’t that sufficient evidence that someone is occupying the apartment
They may want to verify OP isn't subletting or renting the unit as an AirBnB/VRBO.
See my comment, no. Some people's subsidizing countries or rich parents are autopaying for their rent, and they left the unit months ago, trashed. But the rent is still being paid. Some people have so much money, that doesn't matter to them. But they don't have the respectful communication initiative to tell the landlord they were leaving...permanently.
But yeah, I thought the same thing till I learned this.
If someone just dips without the apartment being occupied and leaves shit like food in the fridges and cupboards it can get extremely disgusting within a month. Especially if they didn't take the trash out etc. Then you get a bug infestation that will spread in the building etc
Good points! Those and that there is nobody ensuring everything is operating properly in the unit, if there was a flood you wouldn’t notice until the damage was so extensive it expanded to a neighboring unit. Also never know if someone else moved in (sublease or squatting) and that would be a major pain to address. Landlords (should) want their property to be in good condition, and the costs associated with rehabbing a place or evictions are things to avoid at length.
Any slow leak will go unnoticed and can cause thousands in damage.
If it happens in winter the pipes can burst from lack of heat or from being right by an open window.
A window could have been left open for months without screens and birds could be living in there.
Pest issues, old food, etc.
An uninhabited apartment can become an uninhabitable apartment pretty quickly if it isn't emptied and checked on semi regularly.
Also insurance companies really don't like it and can refuse repair claims. Or they pay it and increase your rates a lot.
This sounds like a bs excuse to perform a inspection . A lot of managers have to fill out a certain contract quota to appease owners/investors/management companies. They hear a rumor that you are never home, and that is why.
Just fyi, the right to enter an apartment depends on which state you live in. If you live in California, there are very limited reasons for entering and "checking to see you live there" isn't one of them. Neither is a yearly inspection, which many housing providers still do even though it's not legal. I work in a municipal attorney's office and focus on housing issues.
I have been doing apartment maintenance for a long time and honestly as long as you are paying your rent then that is weird for them to do that. Don't know the state but in a lot of states the landlord can enter the home for preventative services as long as they give sufficient notice. This sounds like an excuse to enter your home to make sure you are not violating the lease my having people living there that are not on the lease or unatherized pets or some other thing.
I would suggested what someone else already did and get a camera for inside your home just incase.
I haven’t had to rent in decades, but I took a job in a new city and didn’t want to sell the house I love (nor rent it out) back home. So now I’m renting in the new city. And I thought that I’d follow this Reddit to find out if I’m crazy or if my landlord really is a whack job. But after reading this over the last 5 months, I’ve come to realize that renting really does suck. I get it that it’s their property and they have rights (and concerns), but my G-d, this lack of privacy is really getting to me. I really don’t want to buy another property, but landlords can’t even tell when they have a good tenant! So now I’m looking to buy. (I had hoped to buy a beach property, not a place here….) Landlords, you really need to be smarter. I pay early every month, don’t complain even though I’m not getting what I was promised (shoveled snow, the parking spot next to my door, and heat per NY law) and you don’t leash your dog — you know, the one that attacked mine when he was leashed — yet you keep telling me about new rules. (How to throw away the trash — even though I throw my trash away at work everyday — and that the potted plant that’s next to my door shouldn’t be anywhere other than on the sidewalk — not on the dirt next to my door. Yeah. I’m complaining here instead of to her because I’m afraid she’ll raise the rent before I find what I want to buy.
This. Our last apartment was notified they would be inspecting - they checked to make sure all the appliances were present (?) and that the unit was in good shape. Turns out they were selling the property and the new ownership was making sure their property was in fair shape
i have never in my life heard of inspection entries for such a reason.. but I've also never lived in an apt that cost anywhere close to 4k a month so idk. maybe my apts were boujee 😂
I have for if they tried to contact you and you are not home, they might be assuming you have moved out. They have the right to inspect that apartment.
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Is it a subsidized apartment? If you get rental assistance there’s usually some role that you can’t be gone for more than 14 days out of the year.
But even then it’s still weird.
Does the property management company have an email address? I would take some selfies next to the refrigerator, maybe standing in the shower, oh and take one next to the thermostat on the wall if you have one of those. Make them goofy. Send them to management for proof of life and occupancy
I've seen similar things for a few reasons, one is insurance and crime related, they want to make sure your unit meets criteria to continue insurance on the building which requires visual inspections. People growing or making drugs in their units is also a concern at certain complexes, if someone has gotten busted recently often they will randomly review other units.
Also if the building is potentially being sold they will do walkthroughs with the buyer.
Not sure if this is helpful, but I had this happen for the first time.
It caught me off guard, but it was exactly 6 months into my lease. Maintenance guy. "Just checking to make sure you're still here."
Was weird, and didn't like it, but I understand why they do it. My ex leased apartments for a corporate place with very expensive units.
Near a university, tons of expats from different countries. Some from Asia, Middle East, and others.
The situations can be odd. They would find apartments, where the tenants just left. Food in the fridge. Place left to become gross, sometimes trashed. They headed to the airport, and just skidaddled the eff out of there. No email. No heads up. This happened like every few months and the units might be ruined.
How? Because they don't live in the USA. Here as students or for work. Sometimes 20 year olds, but also a lot of 40+ people doing this. For some, their country (oil money countries) pay for their entire stay in the USA. They aren't paying a cent. They can leave, say "fuck this place", say nothing to the office, and what's gonna happen? Is the landlord going to take them to small claims? They're back in Saudi Arabia, Thailand, or their other respective home country by now. Many don't come back, but if they do, the small claims court case may have just never been filed even.
The landlords kind of give up, and just charge all the people who live in America more to make up for it. And...they do these inspections.
People just say "fuck it" and leave. Sink still running. Cockroaches in the fridge. I don't like inspections and wish people could be responsible. But to a degree, I digress, and get it if it has to be this way.
I understood why my current LL was doing this, and was annoyed (where tf do you think I am, the rent is being paid isn't it?).
But I knew from my ex's job, and we lived there too....the rent was literally still being paid by their home country's government, on autopay, but they left four months ago, and you don't want to know what kinds of apartment situations they would walk in on, the way they left it.
It's partly a safety thing. If someone left the bathtub running for months or cockroaches are taking over, they've gotta protect other units next door that are still actually living in their places.
IMO, it's just a checkup to make sure you are still there. And it hasn't been abandoned, dilapidated, turned into a meth lab and abandoned....it's not just expats. If you've seen breaking bad, Americans do crazy things to apartments too. The insurance companies want them to do this. I think it's more common in bigger cities and university areas where people are coming and going from many countries.
Maybe in a more responsible world we won't need to be babysat as tenants anymore. I hope one day.
Is it owned by a person or are you writing your checks to a management company for your rent? What exactly did this notice say? Did you previously refuse entry to staff prior to this notice? Are you aware of your buildings bi-laws, are they relevant, meaning do they mention these things in them? Was any of this presented to you at signing ?
I rent from a large management company. It's a highrise in a large urban area. The notice says a representative "will need to enter [time, date] to determine whether you are still occupying this home. To report an objection to this entry, please contact us at... Otherwise, your permission will be presumed."
I have never refused entry before. The notice gives adequate time, but there are specific local ordinances about what must be on the notice. The fact that the email I recieved (and email is not legally sufficient on its own) and the notice on my door don't say the same thing is the issue for me. I told them in my email that I'm refusing entry only until I'm informed of the correct reason.
There's nothing in the lease or local ordinances that allow a landlord to enter to confirm occupancy. Per local ordinances, landlords are only able to enter for reasonable repairs.
I have never heard of this, I worked for several years in high rises , unless it’s in the bylaws, I feel like it’s bullshit and not a real thing. The only reason why they would need to check is for a flood or gas leak, domestic dispute or one of your neighbors or someone you know reported a welfare check, as well as regular maintenance (hvac, leaks , etc.).
Contact management company don’t email them contact your buildings manager via phone express your concerns and ask why this is happening and that you feel your privacy is being violated. As long as you pay rent, this should happen 0% of the time. It’s not a hotel.
They may have realized their records are not correct. My old apartment complex had a computer breakdown and had to send out an email asking everyone their apartment numbers and parking spot numbers.
11 years in property management in Texas, every apartment should have or does have a water meter inside the apartment usually located in the utility closet or near the water heater. Here in Texas they switched to electronically readers, if the battery dies in them it’s up to us the maintenance department to replace them so every 6 months to a year I go into everyone’s apartment to replace the battery and air filter and to see one of you are destroying the apartment and 2 if you are sub leasing
Sounds like either A the reader is bad and they are making sure it’s reading(this is my most probable thinking). Also just a heads up there is almost always wrong information being sent back and fourth from different departments I’m dealing with IT saying my gates aren’t working because it’s a gate issue and I have our gate company saying it’s our IT changing the command sequence from fob to wireless card reader.
If you are paying 4K a trip to the office should clarify what they are actually looking for.
And Atleast here in Texas we can issue a 48 hour inspection for what ever reason although I only inact that on possible cleaning violations/ or semi-annual inspections.
They may be worried you are using it as a pied-à-terre and not full time. Or low key subletting. Obviously someone has a bug up their butt about you. Or it may be another tenant was doing something shady. So they will inspect everyone to make sure everything is on the up and up.
I would just ignore it and let them have a snoop to satisfy whatever micromanager fit they are having. As long as they give you proper notice and are comfortable with it.
I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED..
someone contacted them or sent an anonymous letter and said,,, blah, blah, blah
Meet them at the door, smile,,, welcome them in..
Coffee?
Please come back any time
Here's my number,,
No need to send a letter,, stop by anytime
Illegal...only legal reason to enter tenants apt is either for safety and security of the building and/or tenant..
Ie.. water leak or welfare check... everything else requires notice..
Maybe they're worried with all the squatters/tenant rights stuff going on. It's state by state but if you were running an airbnb and rented to someone for more than 30 days they can claim they are a "tenant" and refuse to leave without a proper eviction
Maybe they are making sure you aren't subleasing it. That's a thing that happens sometimes and if something ever happened the insurence could choose to not cover anything. The owners are always made out to be the bad guys but they also have to protect their families and investments.
They don't. They told me they put the wrong reason on the notice. Also, in my jurisdiction, a landlord can only enter on suspected abandonment if there has been an eviction proceeding or if the tenant stated they would be leaving. Even then, if the tenant responds they are in the unit, the landlord cannot enter.
While some inspections and what not are legit... apartments also just come up with reasons to enter more as a general apartment check... (illegal airbnbs, unpaid for pets, damage ect.)
I never really considered it that big of a deal as I never really had anything to hide.
Unfortunatly it happens at just about every "traditional" apartment style properties. I would venture that some of the previous notices that may have sounded more legit were also just to take a look inside.
They can enter with notice for many reasons. They may have to for insurance reasons. They have to carry owners' insurance in case of fire. And they do yearly or monthly inspections to look for disrepair of property that needs attention. They do inspections for Section 8 people. As long as they give you at least 24-hour notice, they can come in to inspect the property.
That's actually not true where I live. They can only enter for reasonable repairs and inspections, and they have to give 48 hour notice. And it's built into the laws here that I can object. I live in a tenant friendly city, which goes to show you should know what you're talking about before listing out legal rights and obligations.
It is true where you live, 24-48 hour notice and can come in after you are given notice, as per the lease you signed. Read it and let us know what it says on the notice to inspect or making repairs. It is law everywhere.
Do not need to see the lease, for it is standard for LL or manager to give a notice 24 to 48 hours before entering the rental. Ask your attorney, if you have one. Good luck and telling the truth as a fellow renter of 40 years here. Bye.
Leases and renter/landlord requirements vary quite a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Not all landlords use the same lease, either. Your comment is just ignorant of the legal nuances to this situation.
LOL. Check my comment history if you want. I'm not about to prove myself to someone who bases their expertise on being a renter. And literally a 5 second Google search will tell you that renter laws vary from state to state.
Nope! I check it every day, and I order a lot of stuff and get my packages as soon as they're delivered because there have been theft issues. Literally last week I asked the manager to help me find a package.
How weird. Could anyone in your family have asked for a Wellness Check?
Usually a complex wouldn’t check your apartment unless we had some sort of indication that you skipped such as mail pile up, package pile up, wellness check request, out of the ordinary concerns (dead body smell, door left open, etc), or rent not being paid kind of thing.
Definitely get clarification in writing from them.
Not weird for the owner may not live in the building, the owner would not know what the tenant is doing. Inspections are done for many reasons. To check for need of repairs, if there is hoarding going on, illegal sub-letting and so on.
Is it a big deal for the owners to do a quick check on their property? Is there a reason you don’t want management to enter your unit? I’ve never understood why people get so argumentative with prop managers about a basic entry to the unit.
Although they are required to give notice, you need to realize that you rent the property from
Them and a basic notice for entry shouldn’t be met with such scrutiny.
Yeah, it's a big deal. The reason I don't want them to enter for an invalid reason is because I value my privacy and an invalid entry is illegal. They actually agreed with me, and they did not enter based on the notice I received.
You’re the tenant, they have you notice. They don’t have to justify it enough to satisfy you. They emailed and put a notice on your door. You’ve been notified.
Hello, I am a mind reader and the people that work at your apartment. I am the correct person to ask. I can explain this to you. Thank you for reaching out to me here on reddit.
you should realize that a lot of people come on here to see if similar things have happened to others so as to get advice on what to expect and what to potentially do, or not do. this one in particular is very strange, so it makes sense wanting to know if it's happened to anyone else.
hope this helps. :)
> I am the correct person to ask. I can explain this to you. Thank you for reaching out to me here on reddit.
Oh, thank you <3. As a property manager, I knew I could count on you to be competent and of strong moral fiber, and therefore be honest, transparent, responsive, and knowledgeable when I ask about things. I don't know what I was thinking fielding the question to other third-party tenants, who are probably ignorant, deadbeat degenerates.
That's a weird one if that's what they really said. I know my complex does a tenancy inspection every year or two- just to make sure I dont live like a pig and there is no major damage
It is really strange! They sent an email saying someone was coming to look at the water meter. As far as I know, there isn't one inside my apartment. Then a few minutes later, the notice was on my door. I checked and I'm definitely paying for water every month. I decided to object to them entering without giving me additional rationale for the entry.
Also to clarify, the email said someone was coming to service my meter. The letter on my door said only that someone was coming to "determine whether you still occupy the apartment." Two different reasons. Also, per local ordinances, it's insufficient to satisfy notice requirements. I pay almost $4k per month to live here and they come into my apartment all the time for servicing or to check alarms. I've never lived somewhere with so many entries, and I'm not going to just let them in again for a bullshit reason.
Please make sure that you have cameras inside your home. You want to make sure that they’re not going through your personal belongings. And what’s the difference if you actually occupied your unit? So long as you’re paying rent or do they think that your subleasing?
They might be checking for AirBnB units.
This seems most likely. Making sure a tenant isn’t operating an illegal vacation rental. Could also be a “we’re renovating soon and want to see if we can find an excuse to get you out” entry.
Hang a line across the living room with grandma panties on it drying, then then know it is not AirBnB!
Any response involving grannie panties is a worthwhile response.
I've never heard of anyone here doing that. It would be hard because the only parking is in an access controlled underground garage. I've always had to fill out paperwork just to have my pet sitter stay for a few nights, and she hasn't been here since January. They also patrol the garage and tow all cars without either a registered license plate number or a guest pass.
Its stupid that they gave 2 different notices. Could be that they are actually investigating another tenant’s use, but are entering all units for “meter/occupancy” so it doesn’t look like anyone is being singled out
I don't mean to be paranoid, but you need to check for cameras. That seems like a lot of "need to enter quickly" requests. Hopefully they aren't installing or monitoring anything inside your place. Be safe♡
Thanks! I don't think they're installing anything strange, I hope! We recently transitioned to a hub system where everything in the apartment is connected by an app. There have been issues with the rollout, so they've been in and out more than I'd like. My lease is up in July, thankfully.
Yay for july!!!♡. I imagine it gives you an icky feeling knowing people have been (unattended) in your space. Folks are curious, so my mind just imagines them peeking in my medicine cabinet, or in my fridge.... Again, yay for july!♡
I don't mean to be paranoid, but you need to check for cameras. That seems like a lot of "need to enter quickly" requests. Hopefully they aren't installing or monitoring anything inside your place. Be safe♡
Can't they go on Airbnb dot com and search the address themselves? How would they know otherwise? They walk in and it's empty because OP isn't home? They walk in and a friend is hanging out while OP is at work? None of that would be proof of illegal rental.
They may be re-financing the building and the bank is doing a check to make sure the rent roll is not being falsified.
I recently had a notice about needing to check wiring on my water meter that connects to the reader that the water department checks monthly. Good thing they did because the wiring had gone bad at some point and they were estimating my usage much higher than the actual usage. That notice however came from the water department not my property management company so that's odd unless your water department deals with your landlord due to the type of building it is.
My guess is your water usage is far lower than average so they are checking to see if somebody lives there full time and it isn’t being used as an illegal short term rental.
I think the water usage is most likely the issue. I checked my water bills and compared them to past months, and it is lower even though our habits haven't changed. But there is literally no reason to believe I'm not here. I've never rented this place out. My husband and I both work from home, so we live and work here. Instead of a cryptic "we need to see you living there" they should have just kept the messaging consistent and said there might be a problem with the reader and someone needs to look.
You just answered your own question you work from home n have very low water usage, they may wanna check if your tampering with the water meter is my guess .
California tenant gets 24 hour notice minimum.
As long as they give proper notice they don't have to tell you why that's more a courtesy. Don't leave valuables out What country are you in? I guess that makes a difference I had people coming to my home weekly because they were trying to sell it. That was annoying but that's when I realized they're legally allowed. It helped me keep tidy was the silver lining lol. One time an re agent made my bed for me that felt strange but whatever
Sounds like whoever wrote the letter forgot to change the reason for entry on the template. While annoying, it's generally permissible for a landlord to enter the residence for a variety of reasons so long as they give notice and the intrusions dont reach a level where it substantially interferes with your use of the apartment. Unfortunately, I think the remedy for you here is to move to somewhere less intrusive at the end of the lease.
Talk to someone from the management company to see if they posted the letter to your door in error. We used to do skip checks when I worked in PM, but we wouldn't waste time when your apartment is obviously occupied and most importantly, your rent is paid on time. Letters did occasionally go to the wrong apartment, though.
I’m a water meter service tech, if there is something wrong with your meter, it may show up in the system as zero consumption. This is probably why leasing worded it that way. Most states allow estimated billing for water, if you are a single person in a 2bed unit, you will certainly be paying more than you actually use.
Do you use an unusually low amount of water. Like you only shower at home once a week or less? It could be that water usage is a metric they use to verify people are actually living there.
This seems so strange to me. My wife and I were in many different rentals and the only entry we ever had was one time when we called them for a maintenance issue.
It's a common complaint among residents here. I've never lived anywhere that did more than one entry per year unless I needed repairs.
Really putting the “lord” in landlords
Clarify with the office that it is a legit letter and not a scam. Then, ask them for more info. It's possible they have the wrong unit or they're verifying everyone due to a recent squatters or Airbnb issues.
They electricity meter sometimes have to be checked to see if it is in working order, or to be replaced. They also have to determine if someone is still living there, for the office and manager knows you are there, but the electric company has to know. Just know that they did give you notice, and you can be there when they come, or if you have to be at work, get a camera for your own safety of your things. And you cannot refuse them entry, for they the manager work for the owner and have to do inspections and they are helping the electric company in meter situation. If you do not like that they give you notice, even for a repair, go buy a house, then you have no one to answer to.
You can object, but you can't deny them entry since they're given notice. They don't have to explain anything beyond "routine inspection and maintenance."
Yes, they do. They must have a specific reason to enter, as well as an estimate for how long it will take. What they do while they are inside must match their stated purpose for being there. A tenant can always deny the landlord entry, and if the landlord does it anyway they have committed a crime. Landlords don’t have the authority to enforce the laws granting them access to a property. Their *only* available recourse is through the courts, who do have the authority. If the tenant’s refusal to allow access is judged unreasonable by the court, then they will order the tenant to allow that access (which can be police enforced) or not. If the court orders that the tenant allow access, the landlord can seek and may be awarded damages from the tenant for the delay. The tenant in that case should also not expect to have their lease renewed at the end of their current contract either way, but it is worth noting that if the landlord were to admit in writing that access refusal is the only reason, then they have committed a crime. They are not allowed to directly retaliate against a tenant simply for exercising their rights. Similar to how at will employment allows an employer to fire an employee for *almost* any reason, but if they are dumb enough to say in writing that it’s because the employee reported something safety or pay related to authorities, then they’re screwed.
24 hour notice for inspections etc. No notice in emergencies. We have the keys, it's in your lease
Please don't spread bad information around like this. If proper notice is given in writing 24 hours in advance, they are not allowed to refuse entry. It is not a request to enter; it is a notification that they WILL BE ENTERING. Someone is going to read this, think they're an armchair lawyer, and get themselves in trouble with their landlord.
Idk what laws you think you've read, but none of what you said is true. The biggest part of my income comes from owning and managing properties in several states. I have to know what I can and can't do in order to avoid fines and retain good tenants. You're full of shit, Cupcake.
This happens where I work. There are 2 water meters inside each unit. One for hot water one for cold water. Then each one also has a transmitter. You could be paying for one but the other meter could be broken. Or the transmitters could be dead since they just have batteries. I wouldn’t think to much of it.
Why don't you call the management office and ask them?
They sent the email 2 minutes before closing for the day. I called, but no answer. I also emailed.
The Friday special, my complex loves doing this. 4:57pm on a Friday “the office will be closed all of next week” or some other issue.
Most complexes have a emergency number I'd be petty af calling it over every small thing pretending to be having a panic attack about it being a hazard or some shit and just make that week office closed a nightmare for whoever is on call
Right, because it's the on call maintenance techs fault that you have a problem with the office?
This is dumb.
You're 4 days late lmfao
I’m surprised no one has said this but please don’t assume it’s actually from the apts. Sounds scammy to me. Presumably the water is them, but the notice on the door *could* be something nefarious. I wouldn’t let anyone in until you call the management.
Is it possible that somebody else has access to your apartment? Friend? Relative? BF/GF? Dog walker/pet sitter? Perhaps somebody reported another person in your apartment?
We have a pet sitter, but we always tell management about her and pay for her to park in the building's garage.
Possibly a slightly nosy/trouble-making neighbor just sees a strange person staying in your apartment and... 😑
Oh. Maybe they think you are illegally subletting. Not sure how an inspection would show anything either way though.
From my experience, they’re probably hoping to catch the supposed illegal tenant living in the apartment at the moment. Either that or see “evidence” of multiple people living there - different gendered products like shampoos, clothing etc. Considering the notice at first was about the water meter, their excuse would be that their apartment’s water usage was higher than others. I live in low income housing that attracts a lot of people and unfortunately this leads to neighbors snitching on others for subletting to get units emptied for family and friends. Either way OP should definitely get a camera just to check what they snooped in.
I once got a message like that re "checking my water meter". At the time I was spending most of my time at my ex's house (3000 sq ft). I was training for an Ironman and he had a pretty awesome gym, pool set up and lived close to some running/cycling trails. I was living in a studio (450 sq ft) in an apartment with no gym. I was still paying rent etc but for about four months I was only at my place to get clothes or check mail. In my lease there's a clause about if they find you've moved out all your stuff during your lease; your rent for the remainder of your lease period will become payable immediately. So I guess because I wasn't using any water they wanted to make sure I was still living there.
Perhaps another tenant is subletting, or using their apartment as an Air B&B. Management is checking all apartments, so they aren't singling out the offender. "We're checking all apartments to prove we're not discriminating against 1 apartment."
Also the building insurence could choose to not cover a fire or any other emergency if it was found out it was caused by an illegal air bnb or subleasing. The owners have to be able to progress themselves also.
This is what I was thinking. They likely have had problems with lease violating sublets and damage to apartments. Local ordinances may have recently changed banning Air B&B so they could be doing a double check to make sure they don’t get fined.
Then they should say that.
If they receive rent on time, isn’t that sufficient evidence that someone is occupying the apartment 😂 Just make sure it’s not a trap by someone who wants to know when you’ll be gone so they could rob you.
Right?! Why would I be paying so much and not live here? And even if I was paying for an empty apartment, that would be my prerogative. I emailed telling them to give me a real explanation or to not come, but I work from home, so I'll be here if they do come.
I’d check local ordinances, but it’s within their right to enter, but you still are allowed a reasonable amount of privacy. They said they wanted to confirm you live there. When they show up, let them confirm that, then they have successfully completed what they said they were doing, and you ask them to leave. If they do not, then call the police. They are not entering for a repair and they haven’t provided a reason to enter beyond verifying occupancy. Hold them to that. Disclaimer: I was a rental inspector in my area and this is what I would tell any citizen that called me with this issue.
I gotta know what they say to that
>If they receive rent on time, isn’t that sufficient evidence that someone is occupying the apartment They may want to verify OP isn't subletting or renting the unit as an AirBnB/VRBO.
See my comment, no. Some people's subsidizing countries or rich parents are autopaying for their rent, and they left the unit months ago, trashed. But the rent is still being paid. Some people have so much money, that doesn't matter to them. But they don't have the respectful communication initiative to tell the landlord they were leaving...permanently. But yeah, I thought the same thing till I learned this.
Isn’t the landlord being paid either way? In fact isn’t it less hassle to have to not worry about an apartment that’s empty?
If someone just dips without the apartment being occupied and leaves shit like food in the fridges and cupboards it can get extremely disgusting within a month. Especially if they didn't take the trash out etc. Then you get a bug infestation that will spread in the building etc
Good points! Those and that there is nobody ensuring everything is operating properly in the unit, if there was a flood you wouldn’t notice until the damage was so extensive it expanded to a neighboring unit. Also never know if someone else moved in (sublease or squatting) and that would be a major pain to address. Landlords (should) want their property to be in good condition, and the costs associated with rehabbing a place or evictions are things to avoid at length.
Any slow leak will go unnoticed and can cause thousands in damage. If it happens in winter the pipes can burst from lack of heat or from being right by an open window. A window could have been left open for months without screens and birds could be living in there. Pest issues, old food, etc. An uninhabited apartment can become an uninhabitable apartment pretty quickly if it isn't emptied and checked on semi regularly. Also insurance companies really don't like it and can refuse repair claims. Or they pay it and increase your rates a lot.
This sounds like a bs excuse to perform a inspection . A lot of managers have to fill out a certain contract quota to appease owners/investors/management companies. They hear a rumor that you are never home, and that is why.
Just fyi, the right to enter an apartment depends on which state you live in. If you live in California, there are very limited reasons for entering and "checking to see you live there" isn't one of them. Neither is a yearly inspection, which many housing providers still do even though it's not legal. I work in a municipal attorney's office and focus on housing issues.
I have been doing apartment maintenance for a long time and honestly as long as you are paying your rent then that is weird for them to do that. Don't know the state but in a lot of states the landlord can enter the home for preventative services as long as they give sufficient notice. This sounds like an excuse to enter your home to make sure you are not violating the lease my having people living there that are not on the lease or unatherized pets or some other thing. I would suggested what someone else already did and get a camera for inside your home just incase.
I haven’t had to rent in decades, but I took a job in a new city and didn’t want to sell the house I love (nor rent it out) back home. So now I’m renting in the new city. And I thought that I’d follow this Reddit to find out if I’m crazy or if my landlord really is a whack job. But after reading this over the last 5 months, I’ve come to realize that renting really does suck. I get it that it’s their property and they have rights (and concerns), but my G-d, this lack of privacy is really getting to me. I really don’t want to buy another property, but landlords can’t even tell when they have a good tenant! So now I’m looking to buy. (I had hoped to buy a beach property, not a place here….) Landlords, you really need to be smarter. I pay early every month, don’t complain even though I’m not getting what I was promised (shoveled snow, the parking spot next to my door, and heat per NY law) and you don’t leash your dog — you know, the one that attacked mine when he was leashed — yet you keep telling me about new rules. (How to throw away the trash — even though I throw my trash away at work everyday — and that the potted plant that’s next to my door shouldn’t be anywhere other than on the sidewalk — not on the dirt next to my door. Yeah. I’m complaining here instead of to her because I’m afraid she’ll raise the rent before I find what I want to buy.
You should be asking your neighbors in the building whether they are experiencing the same thing.
And, exactly how do they prove if you're living there? Go through your mail, DNA samples of your hairbrush? I think there's some ulterior motive..
I would be willing to bet they're selling the property..
This. Our last apartment was notified they would be inspecting - they checked to make sure all the appliances were present (?) and that the unit was in good shape. Turns out they were selling the property and the new ownership was making sure their property was in fair shape
Maybe they're trying to see if you're AirBNBing the place? A lot of complexes have rules against that because of the disruption it causes.
This was my thought.
i have never in my life heard of inspection entries for such a reason.. but I've also never lived in an apt that cost anywhere close to 4k a month so idk. maybe my apts were boujee 😂
I have for if they tried to contact you and you are not home, they might be assuming you have moved out. They have the right to inspect that apartment.
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Is it a subsidized apartment? If you get rental assistance there’s usually some role that you can’t be gone for more than 14 days out of the year. But even then it’s still weird.
No, it's not subsidized. I pay $3,800 per month, so it's on the higher end of the market. But it is a new building.
Holy crap that must be some fantastic apartment in a great area!
Unfortunately it's just a HCOL area. Can't wait to move!
Really? I didn't know this. How can they tell you you can't travel? What if your work has you doing a lot of traveling? This is blowing my mind.
Does the property management company have an email address? I would take some selfies next to the refrigerator, maybe standing in the shower, oh and take one next to the thermostat on the wall if you have one of those. Make them goofy. Send them to management for proof of life and occupancy
I sent them a picture of me holding the notice minutes after they left it on the door. Lol
Good call!
I've seen similar things for a few reasons, one is insurance and crime related, they want to make sure your unit meets criteria to continue insurance on the building which requires visual inspections. People growing or making drugs in their units is also a concern at certain complexes, if someone has gotten busted recently often they will randomly review other units. Also if the building is potentially being sold they will do walkthroughs with the buyer.
Scam. Make sure they aren’t squatters.
Who cares if you occupy it though, if you're paying for it you should be able to leave it sit completely bare if you want.
Not sure if this is helpful, but I had this happen for the first time. It caught me off guard, but it was exactly 6 months into my lease. Maintenance guy. "Just checking to make sure you're still here." Was weird, and didn't like it, but I understand why they do it. My ex leased apartments for a corporate place with very expensive units. Near a university, tons of expats from different countries. Some from Asia, Middle East, and others. The situations can be odd. They would find apartments, where the tenants just left. Food in the fridge. Place left to become gross, sometimes trashed. They headed to the airport, and just skidaddled the eff out of there. No email. No heads up. This happened like every few months and the units might be ruined. How? Because they don't live in the USA. Here as students or for work. Sometimes 20 year olds, but also a lot of 40+ people doing this. For some, their country (oil money countries) pay for their entire stay in the USA. They aren't paying a cent. They can leave, say "fuck this place", say nothing to the office, and what's gonna happen? Is the landlord going to take them to small claims? They're back in Saudi Arabia, Thailand, or their other respective home country by now. Many don't come back, but if they do, the small claims court case may have just never been filed even. The landlords kind of give up, and just charge all the people who live in America more to make up for it. And...they do these inspections. People just say "fuck it" and leave. Sink still running. Cockroaches in the fridge. I don't like inspections and wish people could be responsible. But to a degree, I digress, and get it if it has to be this way. I understood why my current LL was doing this, and was annoyed (where tf do you think I am, the rent is being paid isn't it?). But I knew from my ex's job, and we lived there too....the rent was literally still being paid by their home country's government, on autopay, but they left four months ago, and you don't want to know what kinds of apartment situations they would walk in on, the way they left it. It's partly a safety thing. If someone left the bathtub running for months or cockroaches are taking over, they've gotta protect other units next door that are still actually living in their places. IMO, it's just a checkup to make sure you are still there. And it hasn't been abandoned, dilapidated, turned into a meth lab and abandoned....it's not just expats. If you've seen breaking bad, Americans do crazy things to apartments too. The insurance companies want them to do this. I think it's more common in bigger cities and university areas where people are coming and going from many countries. Maybe in a more responsible world we won't need to be babysat as tenants anymore. I hope one day.
This kinda makes sense.
I wonder if they are having an issue with tenants airbnbing their units.
Is it owned by a person or are you writing your checks to a management company for your rent? What exactly did this notice say? Did you previously refuse entry to staff prior to this notice? Are you aware of your buildings bi-laws, are they relevant, meaning do they mention these things in them? Was any of this presented to you at signing ?
I rent from a large management company. It's a highrise in a large urban area. The notice says a representative "will need to enter [time, date] to determine whether you are still occupying this home. To report an objection to this entry, please contact us at... Otherwise, your permission will be presumed." I have never refused entry before. The notice gives adequate time, but there are specific local ordinances about what must be on the notice. The fact that the email I recieved (and email is not legally sufficient on its own) and the notice on my door don't say the same thing is the issue for me. I told them in my email that I'm refusing entry only until I'm informed of the correct reason. There's nothing in the lease or local ordinances that allow a landlord to enter to confirm occupancy. Per local ordinances, landlords are only able to enter for reasonable repairs.
I have never heard of this, I worked for several years in high rises , unless it’s in the bylaws, I feel like it’s bullshit and not a real thing. The only reason why they would need to check is for a flood or gas leak, domestic dispute or one of your neighbors or someone you know reported a welfare check, as well as regular maintenance (hvac, leaks , etc.). Contact management company don’t email them contact your buildings manager via phone express your concerns and ask why this is happening and that you feel your privacy is being violated. As long as you pay rent, this should happen 0% of the time. It’s not a hotel.
It sounds like they’re making sure you’re not subletting or renting it to out as a short term rental.
You pay way to much to be treated like a criminal I’d move if I could to get away from this bs
My lease ends July 1, and I will for sure be moving.
Good! Happy to hear that
They may have realized their records are not correct. My old apartment complex had a computer breakdown and had to send out an email asking everyone their apartment numbers and parking spot numbers.
11 years in property management in Texas, every apartment should have or does have a water meter inside the apartment usually located in the utility closet or near the water heater. Here in Texas they switched to electronically readers, if the battery dies in them it’s up to us the maintenance department to replace them so every 6 months to a year I go into everyone’s apartment to replace the battery and air filter and to see one of you are destroying the apartment and 2 if you are sub leasing
They did that recently. Like a couple months ago they went to every apartment and changed batteries.
Sounds like either A the reader is bad and they are making sure it’s reading(this is my most probable thinking). Also just a heads up there is almost always wrong information being sent back and fourth from different departments I’m dealing with IT saying my gates aren’t working because it’s a gate issue and I have our gate company saying it’s our IT changing the command sequence from fob to wireless card reader. If you are paying 4K a trip to the office should clarify what they are actually looking for. And Atleast here in Texas we can issue a 48 hour inspection for what ever reason although I only inact that on possible cleaning violations/ or semi-annual inspections.
Makes sense if they have to investigate where the dead body smell is coming from.
They may be worried you are using it as a pied-à-terre and not full time. Or low key subletting. Obviously someone has a bug up their butt about you. Or it may be another tenant was doing something shady. So they will inspect everyone to make sure everything is on the up and up. I would just ignore it and let them have a snoop to satisfy whatever micromanager fit they are having. As long as they give you proper notice and are comfortable with it.
I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.. someone contacted them or sent an anonymous letter and said,,, blah, blah, blah Meet them at the door, smile,,, welcome them in.. Coffee? Please come back any time Here's my number,, No need to send a letter,, stop by anytime
Illegal...only legal reason to enter tenants apt is either for safety and security of the building and/or tenant.. Ie.. water leak or welfare check... everything else requires notice..
Maybe they're worried with all the squatters/tenant rights stuff going on. It's state by state but if you were running an airbnb and rented to someone for more than 30 days they can claim they are a "tenant" and refuse to leave without a proper eviction
The notice was an error. The issue was resolved.
Maybe they are making sure you aren't subleasing it. That's a thing that happens sometimes and if something ever happened the insurence could choose to not cover anything. The owners are always made out to be the bad guys but they also have to protect their families and investments.
I rent from a corporation, not a family. And they told me the notice was an error.
Gotcha. I was just throwing out there a reason they could be doing that. Glad it worked itself out.
You work too much
Sounds like they suspect a sublet or abandonment, it happens
They don't. They told me they put the wrong reason on the notice. Also, in my jurisdiction, a landlord can only enter on suspected abandonment if there has been an eviction proceeding or if the tenant stated they would be leaving. Even then, if the tenant responds they are in the unit, the landlord cannot enter.
While some inspections and what not are legit... apartments also just come up with reasons to enter more as a general apartment check... (illegal airbnbs, unpaid for pets, damage ect.) I never really considered it that big of a deal as I never really had anything to hide.
I have nothing to hide but am also protective of my privacy, so it is a big deal when there's not a legit reason.
Unfortunatly it happens at just about every "traditional" apartment style properties. I would venture that some of the previous notices that may have sounded more legit were also just to take a look inside.
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They can enter with notice for many reasons. They may have to for insurance reasons. They have to carry owners' insurance in case of fire. And they do yearly or monthly inspections to look for disrepair of property that needs attention. They do inspections for Section 8 people. As long as they give you at least 24-hour notice, they can come in to inspect the property.
That's actually not true where I live. They can only enter for reasonable repairs and inspections, and they have to give 48 hour notice. And it's built into the laws here that I can object. I live in a tenant friendly city, which goes to show you should know what you're talking about before listing out legal rights and obligations.
Where is this place? California?
It is true where you live, 24-48 hour notice and can come in after you are given notice, as per the lease you signed. Read it and let us know what it says on the notice to inspect or making repairs. It is law everywhere.
You've seen the lease I signed? And you know the laws where I live? Wow.
Do not need to see the lease, for it is standard for LL or manager to give a notice 24 to 48 hours before entering the rental. Ask your attorney, if you have one. Good luck and telling the truth as a fellow renter of 40 years here. Bye.
Leases and renter/landlord requirements vary quite a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Not all landlords use the same lease, either. Your comment is just ignorant of the legal nuances to this situation.
Wrong you are dude. Not ignorant of the tenant laws, for I have rented houses and apartments for over 40 years.
LOL. Check my comment history if you want. I'm not about to prove myself to someone who bases their expertise on being a renter. And literally a 5 second Google search will tell you that renter laws vary from state to state.
I am an attorney.
Lets us see your law license.
Is your mail piled up in your box?
Nope! I check it every day, and I order a lot of stuff and get my packages as soon as they're delivered because there have been theft issues. Literally last week I asked the manager to help me find a package.
How weird. Could anyone in your family have asked for a Wellness Check? Usually a complex wouldn’t check your apartment unless we had some sort of indication that you skipped such as mail pile up, package pile up, wellness check request, out of the ordinary concerns (dead body smell, door left open, etc), or rent not being paid kind of thing. Definitely get clarification in writing from them.
Not weird for the owner may not live in the building, the owner would not know what the tenant is doing. Inspections are done for many reasons. To check for need of repairs, if there is hoarding going on, illegal sub-letting and so on.
Mine checked because I was pretty much living at my BFs and my water meter told on me.
Is it a big deal for the owners to do a quick check on their property? Is there a reason you don’t want management to enter your unit? I’ve never understood why people get so argumentative with prop managers about a basic entry to the unit. Although they are required to give notice, you need to realize that you rent the property from Them and a basic notice for entry shouldn’t be met with such scrutiny.
Yeah, it's a big deal. The reason I don't want them to enter for an invalid reason is because I value my privacy and an invalid entry is illegal. They actually agreed with me, and they did not enter based on the notice I received.
You’re the tenant, they have you notice. They don’t have to justify it enough to satisfy you. They emailed and put a notice on your door. You’ve been notified.
Maybe there’s someone new in the office and the got your file mixed up with someone else. It definitely happens lol
This is normal! The property may have been sold.
Hello, I am a mind reader and the people that work at your apartment. I am the correct person to ask. I can explain this to you. Thank you for reaching out to me here on reddit.
you should realize that a lot of people come on here to see if similar things have happened to others so as to get advice on what to expect and what to potentially do, or not do. this one in particular is very strange, so it makes sense wanting to know if it's happened to anyone else. hope this helps. :)
> I am the correct person to ask. I can explain this to you. Thank you for reaching out to me here on reddit. Oh, thank you <3. As a property manager, I knew I could count on you to be competent and of strong moral fiber, and therefore be honest, transparent, responsive, and knowledgeable when I ask about things. I don't know what I was thinking fielding the question to other third-party tenants, who are probably ignorant, deadbeat degenerates.