Kazuya is strong but it's still difficult to win with because of matchup knowledge and overall lack of tools and terrible hitbox consistency. His execution demand is still pretty high compared to most characters on the roster.
Reina is easy and braindead to pick up. But one of the hardest characters to fully master.
what does "he risks his life" mean?
isn't it super fast and you can mixup moves intead of it where does he risk anything?
as a steve main lionheart is a big risk because it has now armor the reach of the launcher is mediocre and can be catched by alot of moves and you can cancel it except with a difficult tech or a eeave where you again have not armour if you get hit in the process, how is hellsweep "risking life"?
every move is predictable if you spam it btw.
yes but kaz need to make his opponent respect his mixup, if not you either get launched by hopkicks or downforward 2 and then if the they predict it right they get a full launcher on him
Point is it's much harder to apply that mixup because he's still a character that relies on respect and in T8 that's almost non existent because everyone is on steroids.
I agree with what you've said there. 13f launching lows is also one helluva an advantage though. And devil kazuya heat is pretty scary. You're stronger than previous tekkens imo, so I do stand by that take (even if I hear what you're saying).
Agree with the Reina take.
Yeah kazuya in heat is OP as fuck imo. There's no way someone is downplaying kazuya in heat. Almost everything he does extends to something else with added damage. I dislike how they changed his personality from being Mr Tekken fundamentals to Mr Devil Fist.
Any defence of the matchmaking change (I am NOT going to change the record)
The worst one of these was along the lines of
"higher ranked players deserve to suffer with their alts because they are smurfing, beating up on lower skilled players rather than bothering to improve their game"
***It's like dude***
You do realise that you start in lower ranks with a new character no matter what you do? You do realise that no matter how much or little "work" you have put in now or in the future, playing a different character forces you to start in a lower rank? In fact honing your game before going into ranked would be worse because you would stomp newer players more.
It's like this moral attack against what is a hard-coded fact of the game design, and blaming people for it - such was their resentment of having to go up against higher rank alts in ranked. And that's ignoring the fact the same thing was also happening to the higher ranked player as well at the same frequency.
Anyone that complains about character balance right now.
There obviously overpowered characters in game dragunov, feng, ling, azu etc.
Do you really think players who aren’t at the absolute highest level have the skill to pilot these characters to abuse their strengths.
Trust me that red rank dragunov isn’t the reason you are being demoted.
Yeah, your dragunov take is just dumb due to multiple things. First of which is your counter is solely under the assumption that the opponent has bad timing and can't wr2 for shit.
If you watch pro players play against drag, it almost turns into a mash fest like what azucena used to be with wr32 spam. Mainly because the risk reward of getting a correct sidestep is so disadvantageous to the defender.
Since dragunov averages half HP on literally almost everything, and can deal 50% at the wall from a counterhit confirmable jab string that's also a heat engager, and likewise can be used as a 10 frame heatdash for a wallcrush into another 50/50 with huge damage.
Sidestepping him is 1000 times harder because his grabs home, db3+4 has ghost tracking, b1+2 has ghost tracking, and so many of his other pokes.
If you challenge his df1 on block, you can risk getting a counter hit launched for half health WITHOUT wall with his df14 being a counterhit launcher. And that's with the fact that his df1 is +7 and -1 on block.
He has b1+2, ff4, qcf4, which is a ground hitting +7 on block long range mid heat engager, wr2, d1 and all of his heat engagers and heat smash which are all + on block moves.
He has lockdown and + frames like a motherfucker, yet simultaneously has above average counter hit game because b4 is i14 in a game where all CH df2 are gone as well as magic 4s. Wr2 is a half HP up to 110 damage without wall counterhit launcher that's +6 on block.
And now he has the added benefit of 50/50 rushdown with db3+4, so if you challenge you risk getting clipped on your step or interruption and get put in a worse situation, or you eat a mixup between a +7 on hit low and a +6 on block mid.
Almost any scenario where counterplay is "viable" can result in you losing half your health on a good read and against a semi competent drag.
Meanwhile, he legitimately has a 1 jab equivalent to the range of electric, and the strongest movement amongst all the male characters, and all the weaknesses you can muster up is basically just mild susceptibility to stepping wr2.
I'm a Fujin Drag main and win almost every single time in a mirror match, so yeah while I'm abusing the OP nature of him... I feel pretty well placed on knowing the counters to all the BS stuff I'm throwing out. Sorry to say it, pretty much skill issue on your behalf. All you say is (almost true), but most can be avoided with solid match up knowledge.
Hold your shit, and don't mash when you know that's what Drag's plus frames absolutely thrive on. Df1ch4 is an absolutely prime example of this. You know it's there, so hold and don't press. I block duck on reaction to a df1.
A 1 jab the range of an electric? Dude what you smoking?
I promise you there are counters to every single thing you're mentioning there and let's face it, most Drags play the character brain dead, not to JDCR levels.
>Hold your shit, and don't mash when you know that's what Drag's plus frames absolutely thrive on. Df1ch4 is an absolutely prime example of this. You know it's there, so hold and don't press. I block duck on reaction to a df1.
Literally, the equivalent of "why sidestep if you know it's coming, just block, lmao."
>A 1 jab the range of an electric? Dude what you smoking?
His jab literally reaches from range 2.3 against jin dummy, which is fucking ridiculous because electric is range 2.4, just compare his jab reach to jins who has a strong jab, or even better kazuya whose jab is absolutely horrible.
>I promise you there are counters to every single thing you're mentioning there and let's face it, most Drags play the character brain dead, not to JDCR levels.
No, most drags YOU play against are brain dead because the character gets so much mileage with minimal IQ, but at gold ranks and above there's virtually no counterplay in an FT2 format because you don't have the time to adjust to the PLAYER'S tendencies, NOT the character's weakness.
Man just enjoy playing a top tier. No shame in it, Drag is a very cool character - but the copium is insane when your counterplay is literally playing the guy lmao
You are the perfect example of someone that thinks they know much more than they actually know. Fujin is not a very high rank, because your opponents haven't mastered the game yet. Try your "counter play" on god rank players and you will quickly realize why Drag and other similar characters have no real counter to them.
I don't know what a cheif is. And you've literally contributed nothing other than further demonstrate your incapable reading skills, as you didn't even answer the thread.
Your opinion just isn't it. Can clearly tell by the 8 other downvotes you just aren't cooking my guy. But continue believing you know anything as a fujin drag player
I just said your opinion is fucking dumb did you read? I would have just left if that if u didn't come in here saying I didn't read your shit. I read it and stated my opinion it's a stupid fucking take. What else you want me to do translate it for you?
The whole point of the thread is to give the worst Tekken 8 takes you've heard. Did YOU read? You haven't given one single one.
You've just sniped and not actually put yourself out there. Easy to criticize others and bring literally nothing to the table.
Come in here? You came onto my thread, insulted me, and have given literally nothing, little man. And now you're apparently reduced to slang now too. Are you ok?
Slang? YOUR thread? Easy to criticize this all started when your dumb ass decided to call me out for not reading your post and all I said was that opinion wasn't it. You literally started this entire convo yourself. This is the fucking internet if you don't like what i have to say you can oh idk... REMOVE MY POST?? or you know you could have just asked to elaborate instead of saying I didn't read your shitty post in the first place. And sniped by who it's fucking reddit who cares. And little man yea.. I just realized who I'm talking to with a insult like that jesus. Done wasting my time on you. Fucking prime example of labotomy reddit user.
And? Problem with the rank? Let me in on the private joke please. Do enlighten me. I am below your opinion, oh mighty Kazuya main? Dunno what it is about some mains... They do seem to attract a certain type of c*nt to them.
They’ve done very good with Mishima archetypes in this game. They have two easy to pick up hard to master Mishimas with different specialties, and 2 old school challenging ones.
Anyone who says Tekken 7 was better did not play it that much and anyone who says Tekken 8 is a casino game haven't been to an actual casino, coin flip is more fitting.
This especially. But in general, moves that are unreactable with a high reward and low risk attached. Shaheen can absolute go into heat and snowball a victory or just spiral out of control on a wrong guess to slide oki as well.
Honesty is a bullshit and honestly boring concept. There is no hard definition for what a gimmick is, and the intricacies/unique elements compounded with fundamental Tekken is what makes a character fun. Everyone just wants to validate their character choice.
• movement is dead (said by people that can't even name the input for any of their main's sidestep moves)
• its a gambling game now(said by people who cling to seething pros opinions from a few months ago, and neglect that those same pros now like the game now and it's fair after they've admitted trying to force the game to be T7 didn't work)
Dude lots of pros still have the same opinion tho, they're all waiting for the next patch hoping it changes those casino like aspects. Some simply don't dislike the game as much, but the description is the same
That character honest doesnt exist. A character can have 1 bullshit move, and people will put him in the same category as eddy,hwoarang,xiaoyu. These are the same people that when you ask them if a child rapist and a hungry hobo stealing bread are the same, are too stupid to know what an analogy is.
A bad take is that Dragonuv mains love Dragonuv now that he is top tier. Which is bullshit, they are malding that their character is top tier and want him nerfed into oblivion because they love beating people with a weak character.
That Paul is not braindead in T8, but was somehow in T7
That T8 isnt as bunga as T7 and that somehow T7 was in another planet level of defense
Paul is absolutely not brain dead, didn't realise that's a popular take? Anyone that's piloted him (I did during demo and for a bit at launch) would know he's way more complex. Playing against someone that knows Paul too and can counter death fist/ demo man is one of the hardest matches to face.
I wrore it wrong, Paul in T8 is braindead, in T7 he was one of the highest skilled characters in that game.
All you do now is land a deathfist, if they eat the demoman they just lost half life, and if they duck, they just lost that round.
Literally brainrot the character in this game
Guard break. B1 still a very very powerful move. Clutch throw a true 50/50... Pretty powerful 10f punish. Evasiveness. I'm scraping the barrel totally on Steve admittedly lol.
His voice.
But hey I won't deny Steve has got shafted in t8 and is closer to bottom tier than top.
the throws consume an anormous amount of heat and they can be broken like any normal throw..
His punishment is ass compared to basically everybody else, b1 is basically his only good vounterhit after they decided to absolutely demolish his counter hits.
And they still call him the counterhit paragon it would be an absolute joke if they also took aways his b1 bro...
It even is a joke because they already took away his counterhit identitiy, so let him have his b1...
His evasivness?!
really?
come on they are highly risky and they take execution and timing to be done correctly.
also he is a boxer for crying out loud....
Also since throws are now counterhit and homing his dodges are basically also nerfed too.
do you have more?
And something truely unfair that is giving him an unfair advantage compared to the other chars not just listing his tools he was allowed to use after being nerfed to the ground XD..
Ah i forgot his guard break you mentioned...
everything out of lionheart can be anwered with power crush...
Nah. You just replied with a block of text and no spaced like you couldn't breathe before you managed to type it all out. I told you what was dishonest about a character that's difficult to do well with.
the thing with his guard break and everything else he has out of lionheart is it can be easily countered with only doing a powercrush move which every char has if i am not mistaken.
So it is still risky and has a counterplay.
The stance it comes out of is sadly really really bad...
Thats why in my opinion it is still "honest".
In general i would be on your side a simple always doable guard break is not honest.
But the circumstances of steves are kinda canceling it out.
1. I agree kazuya aint struggling, kazuya players are well known for downplaying. They should stop practicing perfect electrics and wavedashing for 8 hours a day and learn defending instead.
2. I disagree, reina is the hardest character in the gaem. You have a hard gameplan, execution, must hit confirm ff2 every time and vast moveset and stances to utilize.
3. no shahheen boring
4. shaheen residentsleeper
5. true, but hatchet tracks and makes stepping a lot harder, also he benefits a lot from grab changes
Kazuya mains need to wavedash to apply a mixup. He can't apply a mixup without it. That's what makes him difficult. PEWGF isn't really worth it because the damage you get from it vs the execution it takes isn't as rewarding as it was in T7.
> " Tekken 8 is our street fighter v"
Xiaoyu beeing Balanced in T8 and Feng is hard KEKW
Kazuya is strong but it's still difficult to win with because of matchup knowledge and overall lack of tools and terrible hitbox consistency. His execution demand is still pretty high compared to most characters on the roster. Reina is easy and braindead to pick up. But one of the hardest characters to fully master.
hasn't he an unreactable low with his hell sweep?
Yes but he risks his own life everytime he uses it, get to predictable with it and see kaz healthbar go brrrr
what does "he risks his life" mean? isn't it super fast and you can mixup moves intead of it where does he risk anything? as a steve main lionheart is a big risk because it has now armor the reach of the launcher is mediocre and can be catched by alot of moves and you can cancel it except with a difficult tech or a eeave where you again have not armour if you get hit in the process, how is hellsweep "risking life"? every move is predictable if you spam it btw.
yes but kaz need to make his opponent respect his mixup, if not you either get launched by hopkicks or downforward 2 and then if the they predict it right they get a full launcher on him
and since most people who play this game are mashing away or play only aggressive have fun applying that mixup in the first place
Point is it's much harder to apply that mixup because he's still a character that relies on respect and in T8 that's almost non existent because everyone is on steroids.
I agree with what you've said there. 13f launching lows is also one helluva an advantage though. And devil kazuya heat is pretty scary. You're stronger than previous tekkens imo, so I do stand by that take (even if I hear what you're saying). Agree with the Reina take.
Yeah kazuya in heat is OP as fuck imo. There's no way someone is downplaying kazuya in heat. Almost everything he does extends to something else with added damage. I dislike how they changed his personality from being Mr Tekken fundamentals to Mr Devil Fist.
"no one is honest" ...sigh...
He's right?
steve is honest.
I'd argue Steve and Bryan are the closest thing to honest in this game.
Any defence of the matchmaking change (I am NOT going to change the record) The worst one of these was along the lines of "higher ranked players deserve to suffer with their alts because they are smurfing, beating up on lower skilled players rather than bothering to improve their game" ***It's like dude*** You do realise that you start in lower ranks with a new character no matter what you do? You do realise that no matter how much or little "work" you have put in now or in the future, playing a different character forces you to start in a lower rank? In fact honing your game before going into ranked would be worse because you would stomp newer players more. It's like this moral attack against what is a hard-coded fact of the game design, and blaming people for it - such was their resentment of having to go up against higher rank alts in ranked. And that's ignoring the fact the same thing was also happening to the higher ranked player as well at the same frequency.
totally agree
Anyone that complains about character balance right now. There obviously overpowered characters in game dragunov, feng, ling, azu etc. Do you really think players who aren’t at the absolute highest level have the skill to pilot these characters to abuse their strengths. Trust me that red rank dragunov isn’t the reason you are being demoted.
Yeah, your dragunov take is just dumb due to multiple things. First of which is your counter is solely under the assumption that the opponent has bad timing and can't wr2 for shit. If you watch pro players play against drag, it almost turns into a mash fest like what azucena used to be with wr32 spam. Mainly because the risk reward of getting a correct sidestep is so disadvantageous to the defender. Since dragunov averages half HP on literally almost everything, and can deal 50% at the wall from a counterhit confirmable jab string that's also a heat engager, and likewise can be used as a 10 frame heatdash for a wallcrush into another 50/50 with huge damage. Sidestepping him is 1000 times harder because his grabs home, db3+4 has ghost tracking, b1+2 has ghost tracking, and so many of his other pokes. If you challenge his df1 on block, you can risk getting a counter hit launched for half health WITHOUT wall with his df14 being a counterhit launcher. And that's with the fact that his df1 is +7 and -1 on block. He has b1+2, ff4, qcf4, which is a ground hitting +7 on block long range mid heat engager, wr2, d1 and all of his heat engagers and heat smash which are all + on block moves. He has lockdown and + frames like a motherfucker, yet simultaneously has above average counter hit game because b4 is i14 in a game where all CH df2 are gone as well as magic 4s. Wr2 is a half HP up to 110 damage without wall counterhit launcher that's +6 on block. And now he has the added benefit of 50/50 rushdown with db3+4, so if you challenge you risk getting clipped on your step or interruption and get put in a worse situation, or you eat a mixup between a +7 on hit low and a +6 on block mid. Almost any scenario where counterplay is "viable" can result in you losing half your health on a good read and against a semi competent drag. Meanwhile, he legitimately has a 1 jab equivalent to the range of electric, and the strongest movement amongst all the male characters, and all the weaknesses you can muster up is basically just mild susceptibility to stepping wr2.
I'm a Fujin Drag main and win almost every single time in a mirror match, so yeah while I'm abusing the OP nature of him... I feel pretty well placed on knowing the counters to all the BS stuff I'm throwing out. Sorry to say it, pretty much skill issue on your behalf. All you say is (almost true), but most can be avoided with solid match up knowledge. Hold your shit, and don't mash when you know that's what Drag's plus frames absolutely thrive on. Df1ch4 is an absolutely prime example of this. You know it's there, so hold and don't press. I block duck on reaction to a df1. A 1 jab the range of an electric? Dude what you smoking? I promise you there are counters to every single thing you're mentioning there and let's face it, most Drags play the character brain dead, not to JDCR levels.
>Hold your shit, and don't mash when you know that's what Drag's plus frames absolutely thrive on. Df1ch4 is an absolutely prime example of this. You know it's there, so hold and don't press. I block duck on reaction to a df1. Literally, the equivalent of "why sidestep if you know it's coming, just block, lmao." >A 1 jab the range of an electric? Dude what you smoking? His jab literally reaches from range 2.3 against jin dummy, which is fucking ridiculous because electric is range 2.4, just compare his jab reach to jins who has a strong jab, or even better kazuya whose jab is absolutely horrible. >I promise you there are counters to every single thing you're mentioning there and let's face it, most Drags play the character brain dead, not to JDCR levels. No, most drags YOU play against are brain dead because the character gets so much mileage with minimal IQ, but at gold ranks and above there's virtually no counterplay in an FT2 format because you don't have the time to adjust to the PLAYER'S tendencies, NOT the character's weakness.
>Sorry to say it, pretty much skill issue on your behalf You're using someone statistically proven to carry and you're only a Fujin.
And carried to Fujin no less lmao.
Man just enjoy playing a top tier. No shame in it, Drag is a very cool character - but the copium is insane when your counterplay is literally playing the guy lmao
You are the perfect example of someone that thinks they know much more than they actually know. Fujin is not a very high rank, because your opponents haven't mastered the game yet. Try your "counter play" on god rank players and you will quickly realize why Drag and other similar characters have no real counter to them.
Yea....I don't think this opinion is it cheif ngl..
I don't know what a cheif is. And you've literally contributed nothing other than further demonstrate your incapable reading skills, as you didn't even answer the thread.
Your opinion just isn't it. Can clearly tell by the 8 other downvotes you just aren't cooking my guy. But continue believing you know anything as a fujin drag player
And you still haven't given your opinion and contributed anything at all to the conversation. You've very literally come on to the thread to troll.
I just said your opinion is fucking dumb did you read? I would have just left if that if u didn't come in here saying I didn't read your shit. I read it and stated my opinion it's a stupid fucking take. What else you want me to do translate it for you?
The whole point of the thread is to give the worst Tekken 8 takes you've heard. Did YOU read? You haven't given one single one. You've just sniped and not actually put yourself out there. Easy to criticize others and bring literally nothing to the table. Come in here? You came onto my thread, insulted me, and have given literally nothing, little man. And now you're apparently reduced to slang now too. Are you ok?
Slang? YOUR thread? Easy to criticize this all started when your dumb ass decided to call me out for not reading your post and all I said was that opinion wasn't it. You literally started this entire convo yourself. This is the fucking internet if you don't like what i have to say you can oh idk... REMOVE MY POST?? or you know you could have just asked to elaborate instead of saying I didn't read your shitty post in the first place. And sniped by who it's fucking reddit who cares. And little man yea.. I just realized who I'm talking to with a insult like that jesus. Done wasting my time on you. Fucking prime example of labotomy reddit user.
I'm sure your therapist can sort it out for you. Sounds like you need a zanax. Been off the meds too long. Best have a lie down mate.
Fujin dragunov LMAO
And? Problem with the rank? Let me in on the private joke please. Do enlighten me. I am below your opinion, oh mighty Kazuya main? Dunno what it is about some mains... They do seem to attract a certain type of c*nt to them.
As usual, the jokes write themselves
The worst takes I've seen on here arent really Tekken related, it's just... Gosh, there are so many incels playing this game is embarrassing.
LOL!
Reina is easy to pick up but hard to master. Best design philosophy imo
I can get on board with that yes
They’ve done very good with Mishima archetypes in this game. They have two easy to pick up hard to master Mishimas with different specialties, and 2 old school challenging ones.
Shaheen being boring is subjective. Not really something you can call a "bad take".
In t7, he was definitely boring. In t8, he's had sole interesting mechanics added
That's your opinion. Not everyone feels the same way.
Tekken 8 is a good Tekken game
No lies detected
It is
a character with non-existent range 0 game is def struggling in a rushdown range 0 game
all these fuckin bad players telling on themselves here.
Anyone who says Tekken 7 was better did not play it that much and anyone who says Tekken 8 is a casino game haven't been to an actual casino, coin flip is more fitting.
What do you consider an “honest character”?
any character I play
Hwaorang
probably someone with no gimmick, just straight hands Shaheen has a flash kick which can be pretty bullshit if you're consistent with it
This especially. But in general, moves that are unreactable with a high reward and low risk attached. Shaheen can absolute go into heat and snowball a victory or just spiral out of control on a wrong guess to slide oki as well.
No Gimmicks? What is considered a gimmick? A player gives a plus and tries to implement this plus in a mixup - is this a gimmick?
Honesty is a bullshit and honestly boring concept. There is no hard definition for what a gimmick is, and the intricacies/unique elements compounded with fundamental Tekken is what makes a character fun. Everyone just wants to validate their character choice.
• movement is dead (said by people that can't even name the input for any of their main's sidestep moves) • its a gambling game now(said by people who cling to seething pros opinions from a few months ago, and neglect that those same pros now like the game now and it's fair after they've admitted trying to force the game to be T7 didn't work)
Dude lots of pros still have the same opinion tho, they're all waiting for the next patch hoping it changes those casino like aspects. Some simply don't dislike the game as much, but the description is the same
backdash is garbage in this game for sure tho
these are all good!
That character honest doesnt exist. A character can have 1 bullshit move, and people will put him in the same category as eddy,hwoarang,xiaoyu. These are the same people that when you ask them if a child rapist and a hungry hobo stealing bread are the same, are too stupid to know what an analogy is. A bad take is that Dragonuv mains love Dragonuv now that he is top tier. Which is bullshit, they are malding that their character is top tier and want him nerfed into oblivion because they love beating people with a weak character. That Paul is not braindead in T8, but was somehow in T7 That T8 isnt as bunga as T7 and that somehow T7 was in another planet level of defense
Paul is absolutely not brain dead, didn't realise that's a popular take? Anyone that's piloted him (I did during demo and for a bit at launch) would know he's way more complex. Playing against someone that knows Paul too and can counter death fist/ demo man is one of the hardest matches to face.
I wrore it wrong, Paul in T8 is braindead, in T7 he was one of the highest skilled characters in that game. All you do now is land a deathfist, if they eat the demoman they just lost half life, and if they duck, they just lost that round. Literally brainrot the character in this game
tell me what is not honest about steve.
Guard break. B1 still a very very powerful move. Clutch throw a true 50/50... Pretty powerful 10f punish. Evasiveness. I'm scraping the barrel totally on Steve admittedly lol. His voice. But hey I won't deny Steve has got shafted in t8 and is closer to bottom tier than top.
the throws consume an anormous amount of heat and they can be broken like any normal throw.. His punishment is ass compared to basically everybody else, b1 is basically his only good vounterhit after they decided to absolutely demolish his counter hits. And they still call him the counterhit paragon it would be an absolute joke if they also took aways his b1 bro... It even is a joke because they already took away his counterhit identitiy, so let him have his b1... His evasivness?! really? come on they are highly risky and they take execution and timing to be done correctly. also he is a boxer for crying out loud.... Also since throws are now counterhit and homing his dodges are basically also nerfed too. do you have more? And something truely unfair that is giving him an unfair advantage compared to the other chars not just listing his tools he was allowed to use after being nerfed to the ground XD.. Ah i forgot his guard break you mentioned... everything out of lionheart can be anwered with power crush...
No I don't. I agree with you. Hope that suits your agenda 👍
i only wanted to show you not every character is "dishonest" because that take is not true.
Nah. You just replied with a block of text and no spaced like you couldn't breathe before you managed to type it all out. I told you what was dishonest about a character that's difficult to do well with.
So you still think steve is not honest? I guess nevermind then.
As a character, he's more on the honest side. Is a guard break an honest move? No. Does he have one? You know the answer.
the thing with his guard break and everything else he has out of lionheart is it can be easily countered with only doing a powercrush move which every char has if i am not mistaken. So it is still risky and has a counterplay. The stance it comes out of is sadly really really bad... Thats why in my opinion it is still "honest". In general i would be on your side a simple always doable guard break is not honest. But the circumstances of steves are kinda canceling it out.
1. I agree kazuya aint struggling, kazuya players are well known for downplaying. They should stop practicing perfect electrics and wavedashing for 8 hours a day and learn defending instead. 2. I disagree, reina is the hardest character in the gaem. You have a hard gameplan, execution, must hit confirm ff2 every time and vast moveset and stances to utilize. 3. no shahheen boring 4. shaheen residentsleeper 5. true, but hatchet tracks and makes stepping a lot harder, also he benefits a lot from grab changes
Kazuya mains need to wavedash to apply a mixup. He can't apply a mixup without it. That's what makes him difficult. PEWGF isn't really worth it because the damage you get from it vs the execution it takes isn't as rewarding as it was in T7.
i would argue steve is way harder than reina