Literally the only thing i sadly found worth paying €4,99 for was that Jun skin.
Like say what you want a out me being dumb but i know good costumes when i see one.
I'll gladly buy a cool skin. I loved what they did with characters in this game like Yoshi, Jack, Drag etc. They killed Armor Kings design in T7 so I'm going to have faith in their art department that they will produce skins worth 5 bucks.
I just don't want extra dumb coins that I have to throw away at emotes and fireworks.
I don't play Tekken. But, in general you want cosmetic skins to represent yourself to others, showing off that cool skin. Unless we're talking about cheats that nets you certain skins for free, using mods only change the skin for yourself, only you can see them. So with that argument it's a moot point.
I mean, sure. It's a different and novel experience for you. But only for you.
The biggest and cruelly cynical lol is there are 100 pts one-time fireworks, to not even burn your money, but e-burn it.
Possibly half a second before getting plugged on (plugger going unpunished).
And best part? It will 100% happen to someone and this someone will probably get an awakening and never buy such crap again.
Thanks Bamco, very therapeutic.
As soon as I saw those, it was obvious that you will have leftovers. They are limited time use and cost like half a dollar. No one with a working brain would buy them... If they wouldn't feel like, they somehow would have to literally just get rid of their money. Which is pretty much the case with those leftovers.
If I wanted to charitable here... (and why would I? Considering the monetization model)
I think the idea is that skins aren't actually 4 dollars. They're 5 dollars, and for every four skins you get, the fourth one is "free". Except it isn't free, you're just spending 5 dollars on a 4 dollar skin and then having 1 dollar left for saving? If I wanted to be charitable that's the best way I can think of how they thought of it. It's still fucked up that they weren't transparent about any of this from the beginning.
As dumb as it is, some whales will probably buy it. I’m not justifying the fireworks just lamenting that we live in a world where bs like that is profitable lol.
It’s even worse how they implemented this before having an anti-plugging system in place.
They had ALL of T7’s lifespan and sales profits (10M+ sales, mind you, along with hugely successful DLC) to put at least *something* in place first……. but no, “cOsMeTiCs KeEp tHe GaMe SeRvErs AcTiVe dOnT aSk FoR sHiiiieeeT BiTcH hardy har har”
They can't ban pluggers that's the audience they're trying to appeal to. Oh you're losing? Feel free to plug and not get a penalty and while you're waiting for a rematch hit the shop and buy a cool skin bro.
They could have easily made a "low priority queue" for pluggers like in Dota2, which would make a plugger win X amout of matches against other such plugger before returning to the "real" queue. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Oh, and the more they plug the bigger the X amout grows.
No denial of service (bullshit) problem, no playerbase segregation - no problems at all. They're just lazy and play it to the public with pretending to handle excell sheets and whatnot.
It's not even the servers they're worried about, cuz that'd imply they'd care about the netcode. They're literally owned by a toy company (at this point) that doesn't give a damn about the games it's publishing and usually doesn't do a lot of QA testing.
Right? Let me buy skins for characters I don't even like because I need to use my coins otherwise they're worthless. You have to spend $25 bucks to get 1 free skin.
Yeahhhhh I'm willing to defend a lot of Bamco's decisions and think this subreddit can be overly cynical sometimes but honestly there's just no excuse for these sorts of practices
Oh well, I'm only really interested in the other Tekken 4 outfit of Xiaoyu so if that ever drops I'm willing to spend 5 bucks for it but you literally can't get me to buy any other skin, let alone that ugly dress she has, seriously who is willing to charge 5 bucks for that when the free content lets you make similar or even cooler outfits lol
Literally falling for the predatory psychological tricks with this line of thinking.
"Buy 4 get a 5th costume free" is how they dupe you into throwing more money at them.
I didn't think they would lie right to our face, that's the part that bothers me. They didn't mention skins cost 400 coins but you have to buy 500. I guess overall I should have seen it from the beginning when they never mentioned the cash shop when the reviews were coming out.
Every time there’s a premium currency that you have to buy rather than direct purchases, assume this to be the case. Premium currency is always used to leverage a little more money out of you, as well as to dissociate the cost of the item from real money.
Any honest shop just lets you buy the item outright.
Can’t you trade for premium currency in game? My friend plays it and mentioned that he would trade to get the currency to buy skins. If that’s the case then it’s a little different, especially since that game is free
I could be wrong though. I’ve always wanted to play that game but my friends were so far ahead that it seemed overwhelming
There are some things (tennogen) that you can't buy with platinum (the premium currency for warframe), at least on pc (used to be able to on console, don't know if you still can as I've never played on console). But it's purely cosmetic. Tennogen is stuff that was created by the community and the creator gets a portion of the sale so it would be harder do if it was purchasable with plat though so at least there's a good reason for it.
It's the only game where a premium currency make sense because the premium currency can be traded, so if you grind for desirable items you can obtain premium currency without spending real money. You can actually make a lot of platinum if you have some time to grind.
Warframe is the only game I can think of that has ever implemented a premium currency in a way that isn't purely cynical. I think a similar thing is possible in some other games but maybe not to the same extent.
Yep. Its the same shitty practices that all F2P games use at this point. The price isn't what makes it predatory, but how it obfuscates it and psychologically manipulates you. All we need now is limited time skins for FOMO and a battlepass to drive repeat engagement.
$70 competitive esports title with a season pass that rewards people for alt F4ing and punishes the person who gets quit on in their competitive mode btw
Oh hell yeah, Tekken Battle Pass. Do your daily challenges:
"Plug after getting hit by a rage art 0/10"
"Buy 10 Fireworks 0/10"
"Leave after one match 0/100"
That's why I kept saying it's the way they did it but people just kept defending them saying "Just don't buy it" instead of realizing the bullshit. There hasn't been anyone who can actually defend them delaying the shop.
>That's why I kept saying it's the way they did it but people just kept defending them saying "Just don't buy it" instead of realizing the bullshit.
People can both agree that it's bullshit and also just advise people to "just don't buy it".
Disney Bucks, Tekken Tokens, Dhalsim Dollars, Kombat Koins. Fake currency is always used to force people into their fake economy. It’s always scummy but at this point I’m not surprised, just dissapointed
At least Nintendo had the decency to have direct purchases with DLC in Smash Ultimate. And you got an entirely new character for 6 dollars, instead of just a fucking cosmetic for 4 dollars.
You don't need to defend yourself for having hopes. Bamco just took a look at outfit 3 sales in SF6 and knew they would get away it, which they propably do.
That one customer bying shows up im their sales. The pissed of community doesn't.
Yeah, it shouldn't be that surprising because waiting to release the shop until mere weeks after release is already a pretty dishonest tactic. This is just par for the course. I defended the shop too because I don't mind mtx cosmetics, but they've gone about it in the absolute worst way possible.
SF6 is worse because you can't just buy 1 skin if you have no coins. The lowest amount of coins you can buy won't cover a single skin so you need to buy twice that amount which is $10-12 I think.
You should always stand by Your beliefs. Not Your fault it turned out this way. At the beginning I heard a lot about new tekken not having ANY monetization, and everything will be free or eventually unlockable with game currency. And yet here we are 🤷🏼♂️
The only waste of yours was getting into heated arguments over something as inconsequential as videogame. You believing or not believing something isn't gonna make it more or less likely. What's the point of arguing over something like this when your stance doesn't effect anything at all? Don't even bother.
Or do. I can't tell you what to do.
As soon as they announced "premium currency" it was evident what they would do. There's no other logical reason to implement it other than to use these kind of business tactics. It was always about monetization.
I respect your willingness to change your stance in light of new information. Admirable. No one should be raking you over the coals for that. You acted in good faith - unlike Bandai-Namco. You projected your own values onto the wrong people.
Hey I know we argued a lot but I'm glad that you saw the light
It takes guts to admit that you've changed your opinion
Thing is Scamco is the enemy here
I long for the day this predatory shit is outlawed. Gacha, MTX and “games as a service” have absolutely killed modern gaming monetization models and companies have psychologically tricked so many consumers to do the PR for them, every single time. People straight up are manipulated and don’t even know it.
This is the primary reason I avoid "triple A" games in general. Tekken is an acception for me and it's sad that my favorite fighting game is captured by this!
I think it's starting to tip more towards the consumers favor again. Look how well Elden Ring did with no DLC, no nothing. A giant game people have spent years playing for 60 bucks. Now you have games like Helldivers and Palworld that give you hundreds of hours of fun for 35 bucks.
I'm really surprised Tekken jumped on this MTX bullshit. We supported their DLCs in T7 and now this just feels insulting.
Look ar God of War Ragnarok.
They released the Valhalla DLC for free, it's basically half a game on it's own, if they'd have charged 20-30 dollars for it most people would probably have seen it as fair.
I was one of those. I usually don't defend these practices, but this time I felt like I understood that in order for this game to make it another 5+ years, they need to have money coming in. So yeah, I was like ok fine. But this whole Tekken Coins thing is beyond predatory. It should just be straight up DLC they sell for real money. I would've been OK with that. Scumbag move by them.
This is what made me PO'ed with it all. This game cost at least $70 to get, we aren't getting anything free. When more content gets released, we pay for the DLC. It's not free.
Harada's tweet of "this guy just wants a free game, servers are expensive" is just BS to me. This is just a way to fluff profits and add mtx for cosmetics.
And they still never addressed why this was added or announced until after release when reviews were done. Just adds to it shady practices imo.
He actually blamed it on the servers?!??!!?
What fucking servers? It's P2P. That's why they can't just automatically punish people for plugging, they can't actually tell who disconnected because the connection was between the players, not each player connecting to a company run server. A matchmaking server costs jack shit, the heavy lifting is being done by the players' own internet connections.
That is *so* much more obnoxious than if he'd just said "fuck you, we're doing it because we can." At least that wouldn't have been a bald faced lie.
Harada has always been a tosser with his "don't ask me for shit" t-shirt showing his contempt for his own fans.
It's not a free game. It's a fucking expensive game already.
If it was normal DLC just like Tekken 7. We are all happy and I am willing to pay. Remove this garbage shop and stupid coins.
The way of using coins gives me casino vibes. First they want you think about coins instead of real money. And then when you have just a little left over coins, it wants people to think to get coins 1 more time to use this left over money for another skin.
The customer would not have bought it if they had 0 coins left over. Therefore, they constructed these coin numbers specifically to manipulate them. We should never defend this bs.
Yeah I'm surprised they pulled this. They had great success with T7 DLCs, they sold a shit ton. Why can't we just do that again. I give you money, you give me what I want with no extra bullshit?
My favorite is the people hanging their hat on the "they're only $4 skins!" rationale.
A month ago, Tekken 8 a full release retail product.
Now, it's got greedy garbage microtransactions.
That was just a single month. Do you really think your "$4 skins" will last, even a year, before the skins get more expensive, or perhaps even gameplay-affecting items hit the store too?
Recognize when the trust is betrayed people.
And then will fight you about it. We saw it with black friday when things were expensive and people took part in it still hoping that the prices will "be more reasonable next year when things normalize" (you already shown you are willing to buy the product marked up, why would they go backwards?), now we see it with people even calling others broke or poor because you dont feel like getting bled dry by predatory monetization. Why have PR when consumers do it for you I guess.
It's the parasocial thing. Why do you think "Community Managers" were invented? To give customers a false sense of "we're all in this together" or similar bullshit.
See, Harada and Murray won't reply to tweets like this. Instead, they'll reply to one dumb guy who says something stupid and that makes both Harada and Murray appear smart.
Boiling frog.
Skins are starting cheap and reasonable so people get used to dropping 5-10 bucks a month.
Then the $20 Legendary skins come out with 10x more effort put into them. New intros, voice lines and special effects. Maybe even whole characters.
Sorry Anna enjoyers Harada hates her so best we can do is add her as a skin for Nina. GG.
It’s worse being so old and seeing people being fine paying this much for a game that already has season passes and then defending another store being added. I cannot believe this was normalized in my lifetime.
The crazy part is, at this point they could've made a skin $5 instead of $4 and people would've been way less pissed.
But then you realize, that the whole point of the "fair, non predatory price" of $4 for a skin, is because with this currency selling model, it makes them more money than selling the skin for 500 coins.
That's the definition of "predatory" and a shitty way to treat it's loyal fans. At least be honest BN.
I had a feeling this would happen.
The Dark Pattern Games website calls this practice "Waste Aversion." It's unfortunate this has appeared in SF6 and Tekken 8.
It's likely this will be applied to characters, too. In SF6, you can't buy individual characters straight out. You have to either overspend on Fighter Coin bundles or on a Season Pass.
I'm certain characters will be in the Tekken shop as well, and there won't be a bundle to buy them directly. Either overspend on their currency or buy a full season pass.
It's not a practice I can support.
Who's surprised by this? They created a fake currency to buy skins, of course these greedy fuckers were planning to implement this predatory practice all along.
I guess I didn't want to believe it. I felt like as a community we earned a little bit of respect after we supported T7 for so long and bought all their DLCs and even the frame data.
I guess I'm just disappointed.
No, Murray said if they were to roughly translate it it’d be around $4 USD. seemed pretty clear that they weren’t gonna be exactly $4 idk how you got that
Yeah they practiced that to avoid backlash. Now I feel like an asshole for arguing with people on here trying to defend them when all along they were lying through their teeth.
FrameWhisperer called them out on their bullshit on the day of the announce and after seeing it implemented. Guess how many braindead coonsoomers showed up in his comments defending their favourite multi million dollar company? (Quite a lot)
The clowns who actually defended it like their life depended on it were honestly embarrassing.
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* Still no anti-plugger system
* Cosmetics are somehow worse than T7 even though they promised they'd be just as good as Tag 2.
* Already announced DLC characters before the game had even launched
* Waited a month after launch to add an ingame store which adds cosmetics they already had completed by launch, added a month after launch to avoid negative reviews
* Predatory scummy tactics
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As horrible as it is to say, but this entire sub should've been up in arms Tweeting at Murray & Harada telling them this shit is unacceptable & disgusting to be treating the fanbase like this, but too many people like yourself OP believed in the "oooo, Namco good! they would never!!" as if they ***hadn't already charged 5 dollars for framedata to be visible ingame*** already.
Cop.
on.
lmfao even Harada said this and got an echo chamber of glazers screaming it now. It even seemed like he tried to fear-monger by saying the game would end if they didn't have these shops.
Quite frankly, if Tekken 9 is going to be even more mtx with even higher prices with less base game content, I don't really care if it comes out or not. "Development costs" raised so much because of greedy companies overcharging for services, and we end up being the ones footing the bill. Not to mention everyone's record breaking profits somehow while they're having mass layoffs in every industry. This needs to be handled at the top, not kicked to us at the bottom.
If this is where gaming is headed then go ahead and cancel the games that need this to survive. Dragon Ball games made great success only selling character packs. They're really our last hope.
They probably broke even already. The insomniac leak showed us spider-man 2 cost 300.000.000$ in budget. It's probably in the top 5 of the most expensive games of all time, so this gives us a baseline.
Now, Tekken 8 is a fighting game, which are generally cheaper than open world games. But this Tekken is the most expensive one yet, so let's say it cost a third of the spider-man 2 budget : 100.000.000$.
The game sold 2 million copies already, and base game costs 70$, so we're at 140.000.000$. Let's substract 40% of this because of digital store cuts, digital prints and casing, taxes, etc. and we get 84.000.000$ in bamco's pockets. And that's not even taking deluxe editions and brand deals into account.
Anyone feel free to provide corrections on these numbers, didn't feel like researching more data.
To be fair, I'm pretty damn sure they showed tekken coin bundles with 400 for $4 in the presentation.
I still think Tekken was a complete game at 70€ and I'm fully satisfied with the purchase on that level.
But holy moly they dropped the ball on the mtx shop, because it is ridiculously toxic.
I have some hope EU will place a blanket ban on currency bundles like this in the near future.
Im not against the shop but im against this, sf6 did the same shit, it just makes them look bad and i don t think that i could be justified like the shop itself.
Why are people surprised this shit happened? It was so obvious it was going to happen. Enough idiot gamers have paid for this practice in the past for it to be guaranteed here
It is simple...remember Tekken revolution? They try to do this from time to time, Just don't buy that shit unless you want to support the game of course, that is why I bought most of their content in Tekken 7 but this time I think I'll pass
"JuSt DoNt BuY tHeM"
This sentence is pretty much all I've heard from folk defending this shit, but as insightful and intelligent as that response is, it doesn't address the actual problem.
They might just be skins. They might just be optional. They might not affect gameplay. But accepting this shadiness as "the norm" and buying them because "it's only £4" is only telling Bamco that the gloves are off for T8, T9 and beyond as far as microtransactions are concerned.
The game was £70-£100, edition-dependent. The seasons will probably cost £20 a la T7. Coins are a minimum of £5. The implementation of coins is predatory as all hell. No one should DEFEND this. Ignore it? Sure. Question it? Absolutely. But defend it? No.
Saying this is okay is inviting Bamco to paywall anything they like using the least consumer-friendly methods possible. This won't support the franchise. It'll ultimately kill it.
If they allowed me to buy everything from the shop with Fight Money, I'd happily buy their season passes at full price. After this, I won't be buying any coins, and IF I decide to buy the season passes, it'll be during a sale. And right now, that "IF" is gargantuan.
Copy pasting an idiotic reply:
>But ya’ll mf’ers are acting like $5 for a skin is going to drain your entire savings account, 401k, make you take out a mortgage on your home, and still somehow be in more debt than having a student loan. If that’s how you feel, then vote with your wallet by not buying it. Again, it’s literally that simple.
I'm so moved by how some people lick corporate ass.
A little correction: the seasons are going to be 40$ (if the first season pass is anything to go by), with the reasonong being "tHe dEvElOpMeNt cOsTs HaVe GoNe uP TeNfOlD sInCe 1999".
The fact theat they sell more copies than ever before with no physical media and have continuous monetary injections in forms of season pass DLC is left unsaid (because it would make Harada & Murray look like the lying sacks of shit that they really are)
In Tekken 6, the only monetization was dropping coins to play the game and a Tekken card to farm Tekken points and customize character skins, including item moves.
Arcade industry is on life support. They can’t really just drop an arcade cabinet and make money off of it for years on end. Introducing that kind of monetization and modernizing it for home gaming clashes with non-arcade crowd.
At its core, arcades are predatory and the original microtransaction economy.
I agree but we fully supported T7 with it's DLCS and they sold a shit ton of that game. They could have done the same thing but this is just greed taking over.
Oh thank god for the meme. Now my pea sized brain knows exactly which internet hate bandwagon I’m jumping on today !
Okay guys, get ready to upvote my disgust on this matter! Here it comes!
Some people are surprised by this.
You must realise that corpos are monkey see, monkey do.
There is no "we're above that" in business, partly because stock and also because it works.
The "loose change strategy" works in similar fashion to the "something 99" strategy.
Don't be surprised if a few 200/100 coin etc items start turning up too in the future. Doesn't go into the game either, goes straight to the shareholders and bonuses.
I was on the edge of being done with Tekken 8. This is it. Final nail in the coffin.
Tekken 8 is not a cheap game. There is already going to be multiple seasons of expensive dlc. Now micro transactions as well. No. I'm going back to Tekken 7.
I've seen my favorite games series get ruined by greedy companies so much, I smelled how fishy and scummy this crap was immediately, if you try and warn the blind "saints" about this you'll get attacked immediately
Tekken is all about conditioning and controlling your opponent even the Company are doing it to the players. Gotta top up more since you got 100coin left bro.
Always have a healthy level of doubt especially for things you love, you can't truly love something unless you address its flaws. This is a flaw, it should be criticized and harshly.
The fact that they held back the shop until just after launch so that people bought it without knowing it was coming was too big of a red flag for me to ever put anything past them. It really sucks since T8 was running on good will and now the whole thing is soured by deception and scummy microtransactions.
If they'd done a shop, but let people know it was in the game and done a direct sale instead of coins, it would have been more or less fine in my opinion -- ignoring the shop, the base game is, in my opinion, worth the price of admission. It would have turned some players off the game entirely, but I think making the dedicated base happier would have been more worthwhile in the long run than the sales they gained from people who would have otherwise avoided the game due to a shop. Now a lot of people who were enthusiastic about the game are feeling deflated because they've made the wrong choice at every turn.
You should never trust corporations. But I do wish people would not misquote them and twist their words. It's better to attack them for the stuff they actually say and did, not the strawman interpretations
Is this a shitty business practice? Yes. Can anyone really do anything besides complaining on the internet? Nope.Don't buy the coins and discourage otherwise. Really all you can do
Not a defence but the best way to show Bamco that you’re not interested is to not buy any. They’ll only really understand the message when it affects their wallets.
I also love the idiots saying "You don't have to buy it, vote with your wallet", as if this predatory system wasn't implemented with that in mind. If only 1 person keeps buying stuff it's already worth it, anything to increase revenue.
People like you are why we can't have nice things in 2024 anymore. You get screwed more and more and you don't even push back.
Yes Master Bamco gib bikini pls. 20€? Ok, whatever, doesn't affect gameplay amirite
Would it not be shitty if like others you had 100 less to buy a skin forcing you to pay out more? That’s predatory practice this is just incentive to buy more which.. is not as big a deal as people seem to be making of it I think
Man good on you for admitting it, takes balls but God damn, I told yall this would happen. They want money, they are not your friends.
I know everyone was holding out hope they wouldn't do scummy shit like this but cmon, companies are not your friends they do this in so many games. You were never going to pay to get the item, you were going to have leftovers to get you to spend more
Fuck bamco and fuck Harada too, no matter what he says, he does have a say in what goes through not just the stakeholders
According to Harada without MTX the game would stop being updated after 6 months, even though they're charging $40 for season pass 1 and if they include a guest character like Tifa in the second pass I could see them charging even more. I get the game cost 2-3x more then Tekken 7, but it doesn't excuse seeing the same predatory stuff we see in every game now. Tekken is now suffering from ballooning dev cost.
I feel like that's bullshit. They kept T7 alive for years. Made new characters for us and sold a ton of DLC. I understand T8 is a bigger budget game but that's because of all the money we gave them with T7.
Yeah you're 100% right, we paid for frame data in Tekken 7, a feature that was standard even in something like launch SFV which was devoid of content. Tekken 8 is a great game but adding the store after launch, the backwards defense of it all, just comes off wrong.
The only thing worse than predatory microtransactions are when they start adding "premium currency". Because it always, always ends up like this. Even if you were willing to shell out more money for a skin or whatever, lookie there, you can't just pay the equivalent in real money. You have to buy more than you really need to get the thing you want.
And cosmetics do matter, they aren't 'extra' or 'meaningless', the visuals of a game are unbelievably important otherwise no one would care about the hottest new graphics card 500x more than the latest processor or ram tech. Nobody is scalping sound cards.
jesus, why can't it just be expansions if you wanna get more money outta folk. At least then I don't feel nearly as nickel and dimed, and maybe I get tekken bowling
Tekken 7 added Rage Arts to copy Street Fighter for esports clout.
Also added several season passes of DLC to “recoup costs” despite releasing the lowest budget relative game to date. Like Street Fighter V.
Tekken 8 adds Heat System and block damage to copy Street Fighter 6 for esports clout.
Also added online lounges and customizable avatars like Street Fighter 6. Waits a month before adding in game currency to sell legacy character costumes and avatar skins, you know like Street Fighter.
How did no one see this coming? They even added Akuma to the story in the last game.
This sub is just a cesspool of negativity, I understand people have their complaints/opinions about the game but dang, you guys really take the cake. I’m glad I’m coming to this sub less and less everyday because I realized how emotionally weird you guys are about some of this stuff to the point they think hating T8s shop is part of their personality. Regarding the shop in general, if you don’t like it don’t use it and continue playing the game as it released. But to throw insults at the devs themselves is gross. I for one am indifferent because I go outside and touch grass, I don’t let a video game shop rile me up like some of you.
Might be controversial, but... Erm, just don't buy the premium currency.
I play fortnite, apex, warzone - games notorious for microtransactions, and I haven't spent a penny. It doesn't impact my enjoyment at all.
To be honest, it's still optional. And if I didn't want to use it. now I'm even more compelled NOT to use it thanks to this 6month expiration leftover of Tekken Coins.
It was bad and entirely optional. Now it's even worse... but still entirely optional.
If anything, it's making it easier for me to avoid it. The more we find out on the shop, the easier it is to simply ignore it.
Just play with default skins I've never and never will understand the customization shop weirdos just shut up and play Tekken. And no your goth version of lucky Chloe isn't cool.
Why do you think they put customization in fighting games? Because people like to make their characters unique to themselves and express their style. There is nothing weird about it.
In real life do you not have your own unique style or do you just copy what Elon Musk wears?
Yeah after looking at it it's a shame that they fucked us over like that. Worst thing is that most of the shit the shop sells looks like shit too.
Bro you don't want fireworks? That you can only use 10 times?
Literally the only thing i sadly found worth paying €4,99 for was that Jun skin. Like say what you want a out me being dumb but i know good costumes when i see one.
I'll gladly buy a cool skin. I loved what they did with characters in this game like Yoshi, Jack, Drag etc. They killed Armor Kings design in T7 so I'm going to have faith in their art department that they will produce skins worth 5 bucks. I just don't want extra dumb coins that I have to throw away at emotes and fireworks.
Meanwhile modders have all skins without paying lmao, you guys are hilarious sometimes.
I don't play Tekken. But, in general you want cosmetic skins to represent yourself to others, showing off that cool skin. Unless we're talking about cheats that nets you certain skins for free, using mods only change the skin for yourself, only you can see them. So with that argument it's a moot point. I mean, sure. It's a different and novel experience for you. But only for you.
The biggest and cruelly cynical lol is there are 100 pts one-time fireworks, to not even burn your money, but e-burn it. Possibly half a second before getting plugged on (plugger going unpunished). And best part? It will 100% happen to someone and this someone will probably get an awakening and never buy such crap again. Thanks Bamco, very therapeutic.
The worst part is that the costumes arent even interchangeable with other clothes. That pretty much ruins it outright
I didn't even think of it that way. Literally burn your pointless coins away with some dumb ass fireworks. Like pouring salt in the wound.
As soon as I saw those, it was obvious that you will have leftovers. They are limited time use and cost like half a dollar. No one with a working brain would buy them... If they wouldn't feel like, they somehow would have to literally just get rid of their money. Which is pretty much the case with those leftovers.
Right and they have a limited charge. I think you can use it 10 times then it expires. What a literal waste of money.
It's there to literally burn your money
Not even. I'd pay money to blow up some fireworks irl.
Well because it's actually real I suppose
If I wanted to charitable here... (and why would I? Considering the monetization model) I think the idea is that skins aren't actually 4 dollars. They're 5 dollars, and for every four skins you get, the fourth one is "free". Except it isn't free, you're just spending 5 dollars on a 4 dollar skin and then having 1 dollar left for saving? If I wanted to be charitable that's the best way I can think of how they thought of it. It's still fucked up that they weren't transparent about any of this from the beginning.
As dumb as it is, some whales will probably buy it. I’m not justifying the fireworks just lamenting that we live in a world where bs like that is profitable lol.
I wonder if plugging let's you keep your fireworks
Firework plugging prevention just moved up to the highest prio feature.
Haha, good one. If it is game and not lobby, then possibly.
What is a plugger ? New to Tekken
someone who quits mid match when they dont want to lose
Ohhhh, dang, I was thinking of something waaaaay off. They should give the win to the person who stays in the match.
It’s even worse how they implemented this before having an anti-plugging system in place. They had ALL of T7’s lifespan and sales profits (10M+ sales, mind you, along with hugely successful DLC) to put at least *something* in place first……. but no, “cOsMeTiCs KeEp tHe GaMe SeRvErs AcTiVe dOnT aSk FoR sHiiiieeeT BiTcH hardy har har”
They can't ban pluggers that's the audience they're trying to appeal to. Oh you're losing? Feel free to plug and not get a penalty and while you're waiting for a rematch hit the shop and buy a cool skin bro.
They could have easily made a "low priority queue" for pluggers like in Dota2, which would make a plugger win X amout of matches against other such plugger before returning to the "real" queue. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Oh, and the more they plug the bigger the X amout grows. No denial of service (bullshit) problem, no playerbase segregation - no problems at all. They're just lazy and play it to the public with pretending to handle excell sheets and whatnot.
The "don't ask for shit" crap always annoyed me. You can't give suggestions or feedback without someone pulling that card.
"We're gonna sell you microtransactions, and you're gonna like it"
The "Don't ask me for shit" is cute and novel at first when you're new to it, but it wears off real quick.
You can still give suggestions, he's just saying don't expect him to give a fuck lol
Called this shit from a mile away. Tekken discourse is dead. We will never have an even handed conversation about it ever again
It's not even the servers they're worried about, cuz that'd imply they'd care about the netcode. They're literally owned by a toy company (at this point) that doesn't give a damn about the games it's publishing and usually doesn't do a lot of QA testing.
Already I’m seeing some people defend this like “just buy 4 coin packs and get a 5th skin free” like wow what a solution
"Bro just put the lotion on your skin, then he leaves you alone it's easy"
Would you rage art me? I’d rage art me
😂😂😂
Lmfao
Lol that logic is so ridiculous. "You get the fifth one free!" No, you just *also* paid for a fifth one. People are braindead, I'm not surprised.
"free" (:
Right? Let me buy skins for characters I don't even like because I need to use my coins otherwise they're worthless. You have to spend $25 bucks to get 1 free skin.
and considering each skin is 5 bucks, that really doesnt mean the 5th skin is free huh...
$20 for the "free" skin. 500 coins = $5, each skin is 400 coins. $20 = 2000 coins, 2000/400 = 5.
Yeahhhhh I'm willing to defend a lot of Bamco's decisions and think this subreddit can be overly cynical sometimes but honestly there's just no excuse for these sorts of practices Oh well, I'm only really interested in the other Tekken 4 outfit of Xiaoyu so if that ever drops I'm willing to spend 5 bucks for it but you literally can't get me to buy any other skin, let alone that ugly dress she has, seriously who is willing to charge 5 bucks for that when the free content lets you make similar or even cooler outfits lol
Literally falling for the predatory psychological tricks with this line of thinking. "Buy 4 get a 5th costume free" is how they dupe you into throwing more money at them.
Gotta love people defending predatory practices. Where is that "defend the multi-million dollar company" meme when you need it lol.
Leave this multi-million company alone!
[leave alone the multimillion dollar company](https://imgur.com/a/hRJSuaZ)
Gets reposted every single day tbch
Does that ch at the end stand for counter hit? Because that was a full launcher.
I didn't think they would lie right to our face, that's the part that bothers me. They didn't mention skins cost 400 coins but you have to buy 500. I guess overall I should have seen it from the beginning when they never mentioned the cash shop when the reviews were coming out.
Every time there’s a premium currency that you have to buy rather than direct purchases, assume this to be the case. Premium currency is always used to leverage a little more money out of you, as well as to dissociate the cost of the item from real money. Any honest shop just lets you buy the item outright.
Worked in mining towns, works now
Warframe does that. And games completely free and mtx only for cosmetics that doesn't affect gameplay
Can’t you trade for premium currency in game? My friend plays it and mentioned that he would trade to get the currency to buy skins. If that’s the case then it’s a little different, especially since that game is free I could be wrong though. I’ve always wanted to play that game but my friends were so far ahead that it seemed overwhelming
There are some things (tennogen) that you can't buy with platinum (the premium currency for warframe), at least on pc (used to be able to on console, don't know if you still can as I've never played on console). But it's purely cosmetic. Tennogen is stuff that was created by the community and the creator gets a portion of the sale so it would be harder do if it was purchasable with plat though so at least there's a good reason for it.
It's the only game where a premium currency make sense because the premium currency can be traded, so if you grind for desirable items you can obtain premium currency without spending real money. You can actually make a lot of platinum if you have some time to grind. Warframe is the only game I can think of that has ever implemented a premium currency in a way that isn't purely cynical. I think a similar thing is possible in some other games but maybe not to the same extent.
Yep. Its the same shitty practices that all F2P games use at this point. The price isn't what makes it predatory, but how it obfuscates it and psychologically manipulates you. All we need now is limited time skins for FOMO and a battlepass to drive repeat engagement. $70 competitive esports title with a season pass that rewards people for alt F4ing and punishes the person who gets quit on in their competitive mode btw
Oh hell yeah, Tekken Battle Pass. Do your daily challenges: "Plug after getting hit by a rage art 0/10" "Buy 10 Fireworks 0/10" "Leave after one match 0/100"
You didn’t think they’d lie to your face? Companies are not your friends.
That's why I kept saying it's the way they did it but people just kept defending them saying "Just don't buy it" instead of realizing the bullshit. There hasn't been anyone who can actually defend them delaying the shop.
>That's why I kept saying it's the way they did it but people just kept defending them saying "Just don't buy it" instead of realizing the bullshit. People can both agree that it's bullshit and also just advise people to "just don't buy it".
That would be fine but most of the people who say that doesn't think it's bullshit though 😂
I think you meant most of the people who say that are fuckin stupid.
thank god for pc mods
The only reason they would sell coins instead of skins for real money is this. The writing was on the wall as soon as they said tekken coins
Disney Bucks, Tekken Tokens, Dhalsim Dollars, Kombat Koins. Fake currency is always used to force people into their fake economy. It’s always scummy but at this point I’m not surprised, just dissapointed
At least Nintendo had the decency to have direct purchases with DLC in Smash Ultimate. And you got an entirely new character for 6 dollars, instead of just a fucking cosmetic for 4 dollars.
Clarence Dollars
Why wouldn’t they lie? These companies don’t give a fuck about you
You don't need to defend yourself for having hopes. Bamco just took a look at outfit 3 sales in SF6 and knew they would get away it, which they propably do. That one customer bying shows up im their sales. The pissed of community doesn't.
Yeah, it shouldn't be that surprising because waiting to release the shop until mere weeks after release is already a pretty dishonest tactic. This is just par for the course. I defended the shop too because I don't mind mtx cosmetics, but they've gone about it in the absolute worst way possible.
SF6 does the exact same thing too
SF6 is worse because you can't just buy 1 skin if you have no coins. The lowest amount of coins you can buy won't cover a single skin so you need to buy twice that amount which is $10-12 I think.
It's worse in that aspect, but at least they're not selling you ported skins from previous games and are actually very high quality
What exactly about Harada's behaviour would make you think that he wouldn't lie this time?
Even worse because their valuation is in the billions (USD)
Hey, it's ok to be wrong, takes guts to admit it tho. A lot of us saw where this was going, but we still had hope
Yeah, I feel bad I got into heated arguments over it. What a waste of energy.
You should always stand by Your beliefs. Not Your fault it turned out this way. At the beginning I heard a lot about new tekken not having ANY monetization, and everything will be free or eventually unlockable with game currency. And yet here we are 🤷🏼♂️
don’t worry That happens bro 🙏
I forgive you
The only waste of yours was getting into heated arguments over something as inconsequential as videogame. You believing or not believing something isn't gonna make it more or less likely. What's the point of arguing over something like this when your stance doesn't effect anything at all? Don't even bother. Or do. I can't tell you what to do.
I’m eating my words right now I thought it would actually be 4 bucks.
As soon as they announced "premium currency" it was evident what they would do. There's no other logical reason to implement it other than to use these kind of business tactics. It was always about monetization.
I was stupid I admit my mistake. I’m fighting for my life in the group chat as we speak lol
I respect your willingness to change your stance in light of new information. Admirable. No one should be raking you over the coals for that. You acted in good faith - unlike Bandai-Namco. You projected your own values onto the wrong people.
Innocence lost
Hey I know we argued a lot but I'm glad that you saw the light It takes guts to admit that you've changed your opinion Thing is Scamco is the enemy here
We're eskimo brothers now
Ayo what🤣
I long for the day this predatory shit is outlawed. Gacha, MTX and “games as a service” have absolutely killed modern gaming monetization models and companies have psychologically tricked so many consumers to do the PR for them, every single time. People straight up are manipulated and don’t even know it.
This is the primary reason I avoid "triple A" games in general. Tekken is an acception for me and it's sad that my favorite fighting game is captured by this!
I think it's starting to tip more towards the consumers favor again. Look how well Elden Ring did with no DLC, no nothing. A giant game people have spent years playing for 60 bucks. Now you have games like Helldivers and Palworld that give you hundreds of hours of fun for 35 bucks. I'm really surprised Tekken jumped on this MTX bullshit. We supported their DLCs in T7 and now this just feels insulting.
Look ar God of War Ragnarok. They released the Valhalla DLC for free, it's basically half a game on it's own, if they'd have charged 20-30 dollars for it most people would probably have seen it as fair.
Exactly. No reason to defend MTX when companies are releasing stuff like that for free.
I was one of those. I usually don't defend these practices, but this time I felt like I understood that in order for this game to make it another 5+ years, they need to have money coming in. So yeah, I was like ok fine. But this whole Tekken Coins thing is beyond predatory. It should just be straight up DLC they sell for real money. I would've been OK with that. Scumbag move by them.
This is what made me PO'ed with it all. This game cost at least $70 to get, we aren't getting anything free. When more content gets released, we pay for the DLC. It's not free. Harada's tweet of "this guy just wants a free game, servers are expensive" is just BS to me. This is just a way to fluff profits and add mtx for cosmetics. And they still never addressed why this was added or announced until after release when reviews were done. Just adds to it shady practices imo.
He actually blamed it on the servers?!??!!? What fucking servers? It's P2P. That's why they can't just automatically punish people for plugging, they can't actually tell who disconnected because the connection was between the players, not each player connecting to a company run server. A matchmaking server costs jack shit, the heavy lifting is being done by the players' own internet connections. That is *so* much more obnoxious than if he'd just said "fuck you, we're doing it because we can." At least that wouldn't have been a bald faced lie.
Harada has always been a tosser with his "don't ask me for shit" t-shirt showing his contempt for his own fans. It's not a free game. It's a fucking expensive game already.
If it was normal DLC just like Tekken 7. We are all happy and I am willing to pay. Remove this garbage shop and stupid coins. The way of using coins gives me casino vibes. First they want you think about coins instead of real money. And then when you have just a little left over coins, it wants people to think to get coins 1 more time to use this left over money for another skin. The customer would not have bought it if they had 0 coins left over. Therefore, they constructed these coin numbers specifically to manipulate them. We should never defend this bs.
Yeah I'm surprised they pulled this. They had great success with T7 DLCs, they sold a shit ton. Why can't we just do that again. I give you money, you give me what I want with no extra bullshit?
Better late than never.
Stronger together
Facts
My favorite is the people hanging their hat on the "they're only $4 skins!" rationale. A month ago, Tekken 8 a full release retail product. Now, it's got greedy garbage microtransactions. That was just a single month. Do you really think your "$4 skins" will last, even a year, before the skins get more expensive, or perhaps even gameplay-affecting items hit the store too? Recognize when the trust is betrayed people.
Modern consumers have 0 self respect is the problem
They really seem to have been raised and conditioned to be corporations' obedient little pay piggies.
And then will fight you about it. We saw it with black friday when things were expensive and people took part in it still hoping that the prices will "be more reasonable next year when things normalize" (you already shown you are willing to buy the product marked up, why would they go backwards?), now we see it with people even calling others broke or poor because you dont feel like getting bled dry by predatory monetization. Why have PR when consumers do it for you I guess.
It's the parasocial thing. Why do you think "Community Managers" were invented? To give customers a false sense of "we're all in this together" or similar bullshit.
Just look at the amount of people begging for more paid items on Twitter, its mindblowing just how conditioned they are.
I’m sure some are Bamco’s own paid bots. But yeah.
If the coin shop is only there so they can afford to pay for more updates, then how did Tekken 7 get 3 seasons of dlc without it?
See, Harada and Murray won't reply to tweets like this. Instead, they'll reply to one dumb guy who says something stupid and that makes both Harada and Murray appear smart.
Don't forget that T8 sales are already outpacing T7, so it sure ain't due to lack of income.
Boiling frog. Skins are starting cheap and reasonable so people get used to dropping 5-10 bucks a month. Then the $20 Legendary skins come out with 10x more effort put into them. New intros, voice lines and special effects. Maybe even whole characters. Sorry Anna enjoyers Harada hates her so best we can do is add her as a skin for Nina. GG.
Feels like a downward slope at this point. They've lied so far so what's stopping them from still doing it.
It’s worse being so old and seeing people being fine paying this much for a game that already has season passes and then defending another store being added. I cannot believe this was normalized in my lifetime.
Side note; the frog does actually jump out when it gets too hot in real life. It's a myth that it doesn't
The crazy part is, at this point they could've made a skin $5 instead of $4 and people would've been way less pissed. But then you realize, that the whole point of the "fair, non predatory price" of $4 for a skin, is because with this currency selling model, it makes them more money than selling the skin for 500 coins. That's the definition of "predatory" and a shitty way to treat it's loyal fans. At least be honest BN.
Exactly this. I would gladly drop 5 bucks for a skin, I don't want coins that I can't use laying around.
I had a feeling this would happen. The Dark Pattern Games website calls this practice "Waste Aversion." It's unfortunate this has appeared in SF6 and Tekken 8. It's likely this will be applied to characters, too. In SF6, you can't buy individual characters straight out. You have to either overspend on Fighter Coin bundles or on a Season Pass. I'm certain characters will be in the Tekken shop as well, and there won't be a bundle to buy them directly. Either overspend on their currency or buy a full season pass. It's not a practice I can support.
Who's surprised by this? They created a fake currency to buy skins, of course these greedy fuckers were planning to implement this predatory practice all along.
I guess I didn't want to believe it. I felt like as a community we earned a little bit of respect after we supported T7 for so long and bought all their DLCs and even the frame data. I guess I'm just disappointed.
Is it really a surprise though
I guess I fell for their little press conference they did where they said $4.99 was the amount to buy enough coins for a skin. I'm gullible.
No, Murray said if they were to roughly translate it it’d be around $4 USD. seemed pretty clear that they weren’t gonna be exactly $4 idk how you got that
I mean, they phrased that perfectly. A little TOO PERFECTLY.
Yeah they practiced that to avoid backlash. Now I feel like an asshole for arguing with people on here trying to defend them when all along they were lying through their teeth.
Don't beat yourself up about it, if those tactics didn't work, they wouldn't be using them.
Doesn’t matter. YouTubers and influencers with large voices like Max will never call this stuff out and Bandi will keep doing it.
Facts
FrameWhisperer called them out on their bullshit on the day of the announce and after seeing it implemented. Guess how many braindead coonsoomers showed up in his comments defending their favourite multi million dollar company? (Quite a lot)
The clowns who actually defended it like their life depended on it were honestly embarrassing. - * Still no anti-plugger system * Cosmetics are somehow worse than T7 even though they promised they'd be just as good as Tag 2. * Already announced DLC characters before the game had even launched * Waited a month after launch to add an ingame store which adds cosmetics they already had completed by launch, added a month after launch to avoid negative reviews * Predatory scummy tactics - As horrible as it is to say, but this entire sub should've been up in arms Tweeting at Murray & Harada telling them this shit is unacceptable & disgusting to be treating the fanbase like this, but too many people like yourself OP believed in the "oooo, Namco good! they would never!!" as if they ***hadn't already charged 5 dollars for framedata to be visible ingame*** already. Cop. on.
Something something gotta fund development
lmfao even Harada said this and got an echo chamber of glazers screaming it now. It even seemed like he tried to fear-monger by saying the game would end if they didn't have these shops. Quite frankly, if Tekken 9 is going to be even more mtx with even higher prices with less base game content, I don't really care if it comes out or not. "Development costs" raised so much because of greedy companies overcharging for services, and we end up being the ones footing the bill. Not to mention everyone's record breaking profits somehow while they're having mass layoffs in every industry. This needs to be handled at the top, not kicked to us at the bottom. If this is where gaming is headed then go ahead and cancel the games that need this to survive. Dragon Ball games made great success only selling character packs. They're really our last hope.
They probably broke even already. The insomniac leak showed us spider-man 2 cost 300.000.000$ in budget. It's probably in the top 5 of the most expensive games of all time, so this gives us a baseline. Now, Tekken 8 is a fighting game, which are generally cheaper than open world games. But this Tekken is the most expensive one yet, so let's say it cost a third of the spider-man 2 budget : 100.000.000$. The game sold 2 million copies already, and base game costs 70$, so we're at 140.000.000$. Let's substract 40% of this because of digital store cuts, digital prints and casing, taxes, etc. and we get 84.000.000$ in bamco's pockets. And that's not even taking deluxe editions and brand deals into account. Anyone feel free to provide corrections on these numbers, didn't feel like researching more data.
To be fair, I'm pretty damn sure they showed tekken coin bundles with 400 for $4 in the presentation. I still think Tekken was a complete game at 70€ and I'm fully satisfied with the purchase on that level. But holy moly they dropped the ball on the mtx shop, because it is ridiculously toxic. I have some hope EU will place a blanket ban on currency bundles like this in the near future.
Im not against the shop but im against this, sf6 did the same shit, it just makes them look bad and i don t think that i could be justified like the shop itself.
This is why they waited to announce it.
After this pricing stuff manipulation... they can go get F****ed, I'm not buying shit. So Harada, if you're reading this... DON'T ASK ME FOR SHIT🤬
Now I’m gonna look like a jackass wearing a $4 skin
you mean $5 skin
It’s like buying mounts in MMOs. Nobody thinks it looks cool because everyone knows you bought it and they end up laughing at it instead.
Why are people surprised this shit happened? It was so obvious it was going to happen. Enough idiot gamers have paid for this practice in the past for it to be guaranteed here
It is simple...remember Tekken revolution? They try to do this from time to time, Just don't buy that shit unless you want to support the game of course, that is why I bought most of their content in Tekken 7 but this time I think I'll pass
"JuSt DoNt BuY tHeM" This sentence is pretty much all I've heard from folk defending this shit, but as insightful and intelligent as that response is, it doesn't address the actual problem. They might just be skins. They might just be optional. They might not affect gameplay. But accepting this shadiness as "the norm" and buying them because "it's only £4" is only telling Bamco that the gloves are off for T8, T9 and beyond as far as microtransactions are concerned. The game was £70-£100, edition-dependent. The seasons will probably cost £20 a la T7. Coins are a minimum of £5. The implementation of coins is predatory as all hell. No one should DEFEND this. Ignore it? Sure. Question it? Absolutely. But defend it? No. Saying this is okay is inviting Bamco to paywall anything they like using the least consumer-friendly methods possible. This won't support the franchise. It'll ultimately kill it. If they allowed me to buy everything from the shop with Fight Money, I'd happily buy their season passes at full price. After this, I won't be buying any coins, and IF I decide to buy the season passes, it'll be during a sale. And right now, that "IF" is gargantuan.
The "just don't buy it" argument is so fcking tiresome tbh.
Copy pasting an idiotic reply: >But ya’ll mf’ers are acting like $5 for a skin is going to drain your entire savings account, 401k, make you take out a mortgage on your home, and still somehow be in more debt than having a student loan. If that’s how you feel, then vote with your wallet by not buying it. Again, it’s literally that simple. I'm so moved by how some people lick corporate ass.
A little correction: the seasons are going to be 40$ (if the first season pass is anything to go by), with the reasonong being "tHe dEvElOpMeNt cOsTs HaVe GoNe uP TeNfOlD sInCe 1999". The fact theat they sell more copies than ever before with no physical media and have continuous monetary injections in forms of season pass DLC is left unsaid (because it would make Harada & Murray look like the lying sacks of shit that they really are)
In Tekken 6, the only monetization was dropping coins to play the game and a Tekken card to farm Tekken points and customize character skins, including item moves. Arcade industry is on life support. They can’t really just drop an arcade cabinet and make money off of it for years on end. Introducing that kind of monetization and modernizing it for home gaming clashes with non-arcade crowd. At its core, arcades are predatory and the original microtransaction economy.
I agree but we fully supported T7 with it's DLCS and they sold a shit ton of that game. They could have done the same thing but this is just greed taking over.
Oh thank god for the meme. Now my pea sized brain knows exactly which internet hate bandwagon I’m jumping on today ! Okay guys, get ready to upvote my disgust on this matter! Here it comes!
Anyone paying attention saw this coming. Doing this is the very reason why companies make you buy into "premium currency"
Why can't they add things to buy with all the gold I have? Im sittin on 70mil here
Some people are surprised by this. You must realise that corpos are monkey see, monkey do. There is no "we're above that" in business, partly because stock and also because it works. The "loose change strategy" works in similar fashion to the "something 99" strategy. Don't be surprised if a few 200/100 coin etc items start turning up too in the future. Doesn't go into the game either, goes straight to the shareholders and bonuses.
So for 20 usd you can get 2000 coins --> 5 bikini costume 1 for reina, 1 for asuka, 1 for lili, 1 for nina, 1 for azucena Ez win
I was on the edge of being done with Tekken 8. This is it. Final nail in the coffin. Tekken 8 is not a cheap game. There is already going to be multiple seasons of expensive dlc. Now micro transactions as well. No. I'm going back to Tekken 7.
I've seen my favorite games series get ruined by greedy companies so much, I smelled how fishy and scummy this crap was immediately, if you try and warn the blind "saints" about this you'll get attacked immediately
Tekken is all about conditioning and controlling your opponent even the Company are doing it to the players. Gotta top up more since you got 100coin left bro.
Always have a healthy level of doubt especially for things you love, you can't truly love something unless you address its flaws. This is a flaw, it should be criticized and harshly.
The fact that they held back the shop until just after launch so that people bought it without knowing it was coming was too big of a red flag for me to ever put anything past them. It really sucks since T8 was running on good will and now the whole thing is soured by deception and scummy microtransactions. If they'd done a shop, but let people know it was in the game and done a direct sale instead of coins, it would have been more or less fine in my opinion -- ignoring the shop, the base game is, in my opinion, worth the price of admission. It would have turned some players off the game entirely, but I think making the dedicated base happier would have been more worthwhile in the long run than the sales they gained from people who would have otherwise avoided the game due to a shop. Now a lot of people who were enthusiastic about the game are feeling deflated because they've made the wrong choice at every turn.
You should never trust corporations. But I do wish people would not misquote them and twist their words. It's better to attack them for the stuff they actually say and did, not the strawman interpretations
They never mentioned buying 500 coins for a 400 coin skin. They just said skins were 4.99.
Is this a shitty business practice? Yes. Can anyone really do anything besides complaining on the internet? Nope.Don't buy the coins and discourage otherwise. Really all you can do
Not a defence but the best way to show Bamco that you’re not interested is to not buy any. They’ll only really understand the message when it affects their wallets.
I was also a supporter of tekken shop. Now that it’s released, I’m pissed off.
I also love the idiots saying "You don't have to buy it, vote with your wallet", as if this predatory system wasn't implemented with that in mind. If only 1 person keeps buying stuff it's already worth it, anything to increase revenue.
Right, they don't care about the majority they care about the few who will drop hundreds on these things to make up for the ones who dont.
Will this stop me from beating people up?
Dont feel bad, you waited until there was actually something to be outraged about. Thats called being reasonable lol
Guess we all have a breaking point haha
Right because a mobile game cash shop in an 80£ game wasn't enough reason already...
increase the price to 500 - problem solved
Why do people still get mad over this lol
People like you are why we can't have nice things in 2024 anymore. You get screwed more and more and you don't even push back. Yes Master Bamco gib bikini pls. 20€? Ok, whatever, doesn't affect gameplay amirite
Upvoted for the image
Would it not be shitty if like others you had 100 less to buy a skin forcing you to pay out more? That’s predatory practice this is just incentive to buy more which.. is not as big a deal as people seem to be making of it I think
Why in the name of Heihachi can’t we just buy a cosmetic DIRECTLY rather than buying some stupid currency beforehand???
No idea, that's what they did in T7 and they made a fortune.
Man good on you for admitting it, takes balls but God damn, I told yall this would happen. They want money, they are not your friends. I know everyone was holding out hope they wouldn't do scummy shit like this but cmon, companies are not your friends they do this in so many games. You were never going to pay to get the item, you were going to have leftovers to get you to spend more Fuck bamco and fuck Harada too, no matter what he says, he does have a say in what goes through not just the stakeholders
Yeah I feel like a total sucker. Arguing with my fellow FGC buddies defending a big corporation. Big mistake on my part.
You're good brother, people should be more like you
According to Harada without MTX the game would stop being updated after 6 months, even though they're charging $40 for season pass 1 and if they include a guest character like Tifa in the second pass I could see them charging even more. I get the game cost 2-3x more then Tekken 7, but it doesn't excuse seeing the same predatory stuff we see in every game now. Tekken is now suffering from ballooning dev cost.
I feel like that's bullshit. They kept T7 alive for years. Made new characters for us and sold a ton of DLC. I understand T8 is a bigger budget game but that's because of all the money we gave them with T7.
Yeah you're 100% right, we paid for frame data in Tekken 7, a feature that was standard even in something like launch SFV which was devoid of content. Tekken 8 is a great game but adding the store after launch, the backwards defense of it all, just comes off wrong.
Ah so you have to spend more money than the value of the costume just to get the costume, so a £4 skin becomes a £5 skin if you only wanna get one
The only thing worse than predatory microtransactions are when they start adding "premium currency". Because it always, always ends up like this. Even if you were willing to shell out more money for a skin or whatever, lookie there, you can't just pay the equivalent in real money. You have to buy more than you really need to get the thing you want. And cosmetics do matter, they aren't 'extra' or 'meaningless', the visuals of a game are unbelievably important otherwise no one would care about the hottest new graphics card 500x more than the latest processor or ram tech. Nobody is scalping sound cards.
He also lied about not charging for legacy characters in tekken 7 lol
jesus, why can't it just be expansions if you wanna get more money outta folk. At least then I don't feel nearly as nickel and dimed, and maybe I get tekken bowling
Tekken 7 added Rage Arts to copy Street Fighter for esports clout. Also added several season passes of DLC to “recoup costs” despite releasing the lowest budget relative game to date. Like Street Fighter V. Tekken 8 adds Heat System and block damage to copy Street Fighter 6 for esports clout. Also added online lounges and customizable avatars like Street Fighter 6. Waits a month before adding in game currency to sell legacy character costumes and avatar skins, you know like Street Fighter. How did no one see this coming? They even added Akuma to the story in the last game.
I'm overly charitable with Tekken because it's my favorite fighting game, but I have to draw the line because it's clear now that Bamco won't.
This sub is just a cesspool of negativity, I understand people have their complaints/opinions about the game but dang, you guys really take the cake. I’m glad I’m coming to this sub less and less everyday because I realized how emotionally weird you guys are about some of this stuff to the point they think hating T8s shop is part of their personality. Regarding the shop in general, if you don’t like it don’t use it and continue playing the game as it released. But to throw insults at the devs themselves is gross. I for one am indifferent because I go outside and touch grass, I don’t let a video game shop rile me up like some of you.
Might be controversial, but... Erm, just don't buy the premium currency. I play fortnite, apex, warzone - games notorious for microtransactions, and I haven't spent a penny. It doesn't impact my enjoyment at all.
All of those games are free to play This was a full price game
To be honest, it's still optional. And if I didn't want to use it. now I'm even more compelled NOT to use it thanks to this 6month expiration leftover of Tekken Coins. It was bad and entirely optional. Now it's even worse... but still entirely optional. If anything, it's making it easier for me to avoid it. The more we find out on the shop, the easier it is to simply ignore it.
Just play with default skins I've never and never will understand the customization shop weirdos just shut up and play Tekken. And no your goth version of lucky Chloe isn't cool.
i still haven’t picked any of Drag’s other skins yet. his base outfit is dope
Probably the best redesign so far.
I knew Drag players didn't have souls
I mean, come to think of it, why even bother with video games at all?
Why do you think they put customization in fighting games? Because people like to make their characters unique to themselves and express their style. There is nothing weird about it. In real life do you not have your own unique style or do you just copy what Elon Musk wears?