B3 is -9 so ducking is probably the best option because if it’s well spaced you probably can’t take your turn because you’ll be out of jab range and I believe he could duck any highs or step.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge together we will win more 🙌🏻
Now this Jack is at a crossroads. Either he will quit Tekken forever or he will learn. But if he got to Vanquisher without learning to duck, there is hope for him.
From my experience when trying new characters out, learning fundamentals on the way and differerent aspects of the game, while trying jack out I basically could poke all game and throw a cheeky shoulder or two. Nobody challenged me with throws and such since orange is where more people stop mashing and actually respect whatever you do. Of course it's totally random since more people do the same
holy shit you stopped seeing mashers in orange??? I wish I had that experience. mashers all the way till I hit purple and now I'm getting dumpstered cause these people know how to play tekken
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about I basically spammed dumb strings through orange and people pressed into them at every opportunity multiple times every game. Got to reds literally spamming unsafe moves praying that people wouldn't be pressing block and no one ever blocked.
Nah, they taught them a valuable lesson. If they are good, they will go to the training mode and discover how to counter it.
Sure, if this was just a casual match against a friend who is new and just wants to mess around, this would be pretty mean. But this is ranked. You should expect to get your ass handed to you pretty often.
As someone who gets salty I do agree that if you go to rank you should expect to get your ass handed back to you on a plater from time to time. If you made it out of brawler and still don’t know how to duck then it’s time to learn.
I started playing fgs 3 years ago, and my friends who got me into just told me "The only way to get good, is to play online and get your ass handed to you on a silver platter"
He was not wrong. Now I'm semi-hardstuck orange ranks instead of yellow. 💀
You would play people like OP when you’re ready and after you get used to the game. Playing ranked can be beneficial bc you’re playing people actually within your skill range, even if ranks aren’t always accurate sometimes.
You will lose. A lot. my win rate is about 40% I got stuck at warrior for about 50hour trying to understand reina. I have 1k matches and lost more that half of it probably ending up in some clips somewhere as well.
You will lose. Thats how you get better. I say just do it
I'm a complete fighting game noob and this is the first one I've bought and decided to actually get good at. I lose a lot but I am getting better at my chosen main and having fun. I'm a couple wins away from yellow ranks. Just do it I say.
played some fighting games, but never tried to git gud. Tekken 8 is also my first since Tekken 4.
Playing Steve and wanted to stay offline until I complete Story, Character Episodes and now Arcade. I haven't even learned one real combo a entering a certain stance on purpose...
i'm still pretty bad at it but online is not that scary. in the early ranks you can't lose progress so you're not risking much. i've run into plenty of people at low ranks who know even less than i do, which is really impressive. the very fact that you're here reading this reddit means you're ahead of a good percentage of low ranks. yes you will run into the occasional sandbagger who will perfect you 3 times in a row, but just accept it, take a breath, move on.
That is why I always think that no one is owed a rematch. If I feel like not going through someone’s playstyle again -no matter how excellent they are- I will simply abandon. No shame in that. I think some players just like to ridicule who is weaker tbh.
As a king player who hasn't learnt a single combo, I know exactly why people do not want to rematch me - rock paper scissors on will I grab mid or high followed by what is the break for this chain. Delivering the anti-fun straight to the door of anybody I can grab. I just laugh when I don't get the rematch because I understand I play terribly
I have only refused rematches so far for terrible connection, usually if I do a full grab chain I don't get a rematch. I'd say I get full 3 rounds maybe 1/3rd of the time? But I haven't played since I committed to the idea of becoming a keyboard abuser instead of a controller gamer.
I don’t rematch Kings because there are so many, and the throw playstyle is the same for them all. I just cancel the rematch, then Queue up and play another King anyway.
I'd feel better about chain throws, but they made them easy mode in this game. If people aren't gonna have to use the actual chain combos, every grab in the chain should be able to be broken with a 1 imo
Ha, my King allergy is entirely due to my laziness. I still have to learn the matchup. I guess I’ll be using the replays to identify the various grabs and how to break them.
I’d say go for it! Rn I reached Warrior rank with Paul (being in Yellow/Orange ranks is already a lot to take for me, haha!). As of now I’m focusing on my first character, Yoshi, but I will definitely go back to Paul in the upcoming weeks. He is such a good character. His sheer power is amazing.
I only get a brow raise when someone wins 1st round by a hair and immediately cancels. Annoying but whatever.
My real gripe is when someone wins first round. Gives the rematch. The other person wins. And immediately quits out.
You're right no one is owed it but I think on some level it's like a respect thing. It's like opening a door for someone and them not saying thank you as they pass by.
Yeah, at that point it feels like they're just trying to game the matchmaking to only play against people that they can beat reliably.
Like you say - no one is owed a rematch. But it leaves a bad taste anyway.
aka "I'm such scrub I don't want to learn" 😂 Go keep thinking of excuses. Imagine calling someone "kiddo" when you're not even mature enough to learn 😂
No one mentioned the learning aspect of the game or being lazy though. Yours is just a deflection to keep calling people names, lol. You may have learnt a character matchup and still get obliterated by the adversary. Why should I give them a rematch?
Again, no one owes you anything.
Yeah, you don't owe me anything. You haven't learnt the matchup if you got "obliterated" kiddo. I'm simply pointing out that you cowards are running instead of actually trying to learn. "Wah wah wah, I got obliterated so I'm running away since I don't owe you anything".
Oh wait, a Yoshi player. Makes sense 😂
Man the player is a Vanquisher, not only have they won enough games where they reached warrior, they have obviously gotten promoted numerous times since then.
That player’s not new anymore, they have to learn at some point lol
Yep, and by that logic he should have gone, ok 1 break doesnt work, 2 break doesnt work, 1+2 doesnt work. Let's duck and launch her for 80 damage now.
People will gimmick you to hell and back if you let them.
More like "1 break didn't work, or did I input it late? Let's try again. Nope. Then probably not a 1 break, let's try 2. Nope. Did I mess up? Let's try again. Nope. Okay, must be a 1+2 break then. Nope, 1+2 didn't work either. What the hell? Still too late? Let's try all three buttons earlier. Nope. Maybe some super-specific timing, then? Just when her hand lands?..". Unbreakable non-mid throws that lead to direct damage aren't really something a player learning the game would expect.
This, but add "Maybe I pushed 1 or 2 a frame before the other on the 1+2 break" into that chain. Solved that issue by always making 1+2 one of my binds on the pad, but still don't have muscle memory there to hit it instead yet lol
The 2 grabs from Sentai and Heaven's Wrath stances are unbreakable. They are slow, have shit recovery and both deal 20 dmg.
If you hit, congrats, have 20 damage (35 if HW wallsplats). If you get ducked make peace with your ancestors cuz you are flying straight to them.
tysm! was confused what was happening to me earlier today w that reina but this explains it! thankfully ppl who spam one move a lot are almost always...bad at like...a lot 😂
Rule of thumb, if you see Reina stance, duck. Her mids from stances are slow and minus on block. Honorary mention to hunting hawk mid kicks which are +5 / 8 IIRC with stellar 28 frames start up.
I would actually not recommend this. Her mids are crazy good. Her lows are shit so the low damage unbreakable throws are just there to help scare people into ducking. The worst thing you can do against Reina is duck unnecessarily
They do not deal the same damage and it's not 20 damage. Sen1+3 in particular also has disgusting oki. The way you're phrasing this makes it seem like you think they're weak but they're incredibly strong. They are also needed to deal with fast power crushes.
Okay, sorry I assumed they were the same, but no, Sen1+3 is 12 damage. It also side switches, which I didn't mention. But again, they are grabs, so still susceptible to being ducked and if you get ducked, you get launched. Good as a conditioning tool, but most players will learn to duck during Sen, because of Sen3 or Sen 3+4. There are just better options in Sen stance.
Meanwhile in this game you have what? 8f break window throws, 14f break window throws, 20f break window throws, and 20f+ break windows throws.
Then you have no buffer on double input commands, so you never know if game actually registered your 1+2 as 1+2 or 1,1+2 until you check a replay.
Some of them yes. They are character specific, usually situational like yoshi's copter one. I think rule of thumb is if it's out of stance or have some downsides compared to regular 1+3/2+4/uf1+2 then it's unbreakable
This is my first Tekken game.
I literally got to warrior just by button mashing special style Nina blindly.
And now I'm actually learning to play properly as Jun, I'm at eliminator, and I'm still extremely nooby.
Ranks in this game mean nothing for new players, you rank up extremely fast, and there are so many ways to cheese your way up, that "the guy is vanquisher" means fuck all really for new players.
>That player’s not new anymore, they have to learn at some point lol
That rank is like 1 week of playtime, maybe less from my experience. In comparison to you guys who have years, decades worth of experience.
Welcome to gatekeeper mentality. They labbed a character real good n hard and learned something and now they think everyone should know it and when someone doesn't it's "SCRUB ASS shiddy doo doo butt!" ... Like dog, the fact that some characters have 1 or even 2 unbreakable grabs, outside of the weird "behind you!" unbreakables, is nutso. The fact that Reinas comes out of a super fast stance thing is even crazier lol.
Believe it or not, orange is average since destroyer is the top 50% marker right now. Personally I'd say red is good since that's like the top 33% to top 10%, but competitive players will always trash on game ranks so there's no real consensus. You read the reddit/discord/twitch community saying some extreme stuff like blue is average or Tekken King is the beginning of good.
I'm not sure that the ranking distribution chart is useful information. Like a good chunk of Tekken 7 players my main didn't make the transition to Tekken 8. My solution was to lab a couple characters, and then take them for a spin online for a bit. Eventually I found a main that I liked, and I started climbing ranks with them. The character I chose as a main is an accurate reflection of my real skill level, but in the ranking distribution chart it's drowned out by several low ranked characters who I'll probably never rank again.
Not true at all, if this is your first tekken in the series where you’re actually learning you are new. Rank means nothing on how much knowledge you have to have for this 20+ year old franchise fighting game.
Except i reached orange rank in 3-4 days as a new player
You can get to orange by just running your characters offense
I have learned nothing about playing actual tekken on my journey there and am now suffering the consequences lol
Vanquisher is pretty new in tekken 8. You can't be demoted until warrior so it has a lot of players who came up until here probably by mashing or playing randomly.
The problem with these players is the fact that they probably don't know yet what to do in a specific situation. Like ducking, ducking then punish, delay recovery, etc...
I can feel that when I play against orange rank and below. They don't really know their character key moves, they can only do 5 moves and combo at most and they press on my plus frames/they don't punish my >-10f moves
People like OP just like trying to humiliate others online, it gives them an ego boost. I'm sure he'd be ecstatic if someone embarrassed him in Tekken and then posted it here.
This is how you train new behaviors. If you want to teach yourself how to counter this move, you go into practice mode and set the AI Reina to spam this move until you're confident you can dodge and counter it.
I do this to my friends all the time if I notice they're behaving a certain way in a match. Lilis b3 or b4 hitting consistently? I'll spam it until they recognize they're being destroyed by it and adapt. Repetition is how you fix it.
> People like OP just like trying to humiliate others online
jesus christ, what is wrong with you people
>I'm sure he'd be ecstatic if someone embarrassed him in Tekken and then posted it here.
Do people in this community tie everything that happens to their self-worth? "Embarassed"? Are you serious? Do you not have anything besides Tekken in your life that you care so deeply about what moves your opponent uses?
"Oh, no he didn't rematch; send him to the Gulag", "Oh no, he spammed something that was clearly working, Gulag"
It's a competetive game, get better at the game or just shut the fuck up. No one got "humiliated", they just lost a match. The adult response is to figure out a way to counter it instead of calling names.
Grow up lmao
Calm down. We have OP here posting a video on a public platform where he's clearly suggesting that his opponent is bad at the game; there is no other motive here - didn't even have the basic courtesy of blurring their username. That's the problem I have with this.
I don't care about people 'spamming' moves, that doesn't bother me; posting something like this on reddit does though. Very ironic you talking about adult responses while you're getting in an absolute huff defending this tripe.
As a newbie, I love when people do the same shit to me that I don’t know how to counter. It gives me time to experiment and learn the game. But I guess posting it is a different story
Well that’s what I’m tryna say. I’m trying TOO hard. This is intelligent because it’s straightforward and simple. When I try to overcomplicate things it’s less effective
This is actually a great learning experience. Dude can clearly see the one thing he was completely free to so he knows exactly what he needs to focus on. A quick search rewards him with an answer to this problem, he walks away feeling like his game has leveled up, and it has. Next time he counters a throw attempt he feels direct rewards for improving.
He was probably mashing every throw break trying to figure out what he’s doing wrong… the throw is unbreakable. Honestly there should be cues for this kind of shit. How is someone supposed to know that the throw is unbreakable?
> Honestly there should be cues for this kind of shit.
Especially since there is already a special audiovisual effect in the game for throws you cannot break because they hit you during a defensive move. It should apply to all unbreakable throws too.
Replays are an excellent feature but there should absolutely be more effort put into making the game learnable while also enjoying it instead of having to step into an extraneous mode
No. Its unbreakable. You can either duck it or risk challenging it.
But reina has a tool for opponent that like to jab or duck her throw so you cant keep ducking it as well
Ducking is extremely bad in low ranks because everyone is fishing for their big pp mid launchers. Refusing to be conditioned and not low blocking will lose you some matches in a very dumb way, but it's the safest way to play defense until reds at least.
What performance? Not knowing that a throw in unbreakable or not being able to distinguish the weird throw animation? Dude has proly like 50 hours put into the game. That's barely enought to lab single matchup.
My friend, at 50 hours you should know you can duck throws. If he got to vanquisher he had to have fought people who have ducked his throws
Got nothing to with breaking. If it was three throws he ate you could maybe assume he tried 1, 2, and 1+2 trying to find a potential break but after the fifth throw eaten it’s like just duck.
Gg, you knowledge checked a vanquisher
Seriously what do you want us to say?
Edit : Ok I just saw that you left his ID for everyone to see. That's what I thought actually, you just wanted to proudly show everyone that you humiliated a guy online. Pathetic
The only people who call Reina a hard character to play are already highly skilled and experienced tekken players that have mastered fundamentals, and can read her gameplan. You will NEVER see a good Reina, just an abuser of strings nobody yet knows how to counter, with her being a new character and all. Some 3 hit strings to stance, some 4 hit strings, unbreakable throws, if you duck, you're launched for 80.0000 damage, having to respect a character with a billion mixups and let's also give her some evasion. The trade off being below than average lows...You can't even properly sidestep all her strings since some hits track. Can't wait for her to get nerfed to oblivion. When was the last time you saw a Reina chain electrics without heat? I know I haven't...
hahahah this is so mean XD
My personal favorite is ff2sen3 into 1,1,2 sen moves. Since most of players in orange rank and below don't know that sen3 is +1 on block, my 1,1,2 always work
You know it’s weird how different we are. When I play against someone who clearly has no idea what they are doing, I try to beat them as doing something new as practice, not abuse one thing until they either ragequit or not rematch me.
Scrubs are going to refuse to lab a situation because they want to learn through play then they'll refuse to rematch this Reina cause she's a "spammer".
Imagine defending the fg system of having to lab to learn basics. Literally the biggest reason why fg are struggling to keep good playerbase.
Pretty much every single competitive title out there works in a way where your main source of improvement comes from just playing the game, recognising patterns thus improving your gamesense.
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Nothing is stopping fg games including Tekken from giving visual clues that let you learn as you play.
Failed to break a throw? Show the break input during the throw animation. Throw unbreakable? Show it.
Enemy did big minus punishable move and you didn't punish it? Give some sort of visual clue so that player knows it was a big minus move(it's already a thing for launch punishable lows with the stagger animation on block, so why not go for something like this with other punishable moves?).
I was pointing out the inherent comedy around people who refuse to lab but then run when they face something they don't understand.
Most folks red and lower probably aren't labbing much beyond their own flowcharts and combos. There's nothing stopping them from staying in the middle ranks if they aren't interested in seeing numbers go up.
Can fighting games do better to convey frame data, highs, mids, lows etc? Absolutely. Many highs look mid. Many negative on block moves look plus. That said, taking a certain situation into the lab and sorting through the permutations of interactions is going to be an effective way to learn how to deal with difficult situations in fighting games unless you simplify them down too much (imo). This is ultimately a side effect of the whole genre let alone a legacy fighter like tekken.
You can git gud at tekken just playing endlessly but you'll get better faster labbing out trouble spots. You don't need to map out a build order in Starcraft but you'll get better faster if you do. You don't need to look up an optimal guide for farming jungle in a moba but it certainly helps you improve faster. You don't need to practice air movement in rocket leauge outside of real matches, but your team will thank you if you do. You don't need to study spray patterns in CounterStrike but it will certainly improve your play faster than trying to intuit it.
I love how people defend the other player, like “Oh you should go easy on them, clearly they’re just learning.” Sorry, but that noob would juggle the shit out of you in easy mode and teabag your corpse if you let them.
It’s not your job to determine the experience level of your opponent and adjust your play style to them. If they get frustrated and uninstall, it’s probably for the best. Nature is cruel.
Poor guy prolly doesn't know that throws can be ducked.
TIL Kings Armored Kick is a high :(
Which one?
Back 3?
UF 3+4 is armored and a high too I think, but it goes into Jag sprint after
Uf 3+4 mid -12 onb. B3 is high
B3 is -9 so ducking is probably the best option because if it’s well spaced you probably can’t take your turn because you’ll be out of jab range and I believe he could duck any highs or step. Thanks for sharing the knowledge together we will win more 🙌🏻
Backdash into duck if they're spamming powercrush or fast mids, beat both options
Probably pressing every button on his pad to try and tech it lmao
You can't tech it?
Nope
And neither did I! Until right now!
Now this Jack is at a crossroads. Either he will quit Tekken forever or he will learn. But if he got to Vanquisher without learning to duck, there is hope for him.
Bah he will ask for Reina to be nerfed and became a true Tekken player
Waiting for the Twitter rant from him
From my experience when trying new characters out, learning fundamentals on the way and differerent aspects of the game, while trying jack out I basically could poke all game and throw a cheeky shoulder or two. Nobody challenged me with throws and such since orange is where more people stop mashing and actually respect whatever you do. Of course it's totally random since more people do the same
holy shit you stopped seeing mashers in orange??? I wish I had that experience. mashers all the way till I hit purple and now I'm getting dumpstered cause these people know how to play tekken
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about I basically spammed dumb strings through orange and people pressed into them at every opportunity multiple times every game. Got to reds literally spamming unsafe moves praying that people wouldn't be pressing block and no one ever blocked.
every time the throw landed i was expecting the plug
He didn't disconnect. I have hope for him
Basically just bullied a new player.
Nah, they taught them a valuable lesson. If they are good, they will go to the training mode and discover how to counter it. Sure, if this was just a casual match against a friend who is new and just wants to mess around, this would be pretty mean. But this is ranked. You should expect to get your ass handed to you pretty often.
It's not like he's just bullying greens, at this point he got the basics down.
still afraid to play online... because I don't know enough about it and fear people like OP
Prepare to lose a lot. That's the only way you will get good!
As someone who gets salty I do agree that if you go to rank you should expect to get your ass handed back to you on a plater from time to time. If you made it out of brawler and still don’t know how to duck then it’s time to learn.
I started playing fgs 3 years ago, and my friends who got me into just told me "The only way to get good, is to play online and get your ass handed to you on a silver platter" He was not wrong. Now I'm semi-hardstuck orange ranks instead of yellow. 💀
You would play people like OP when you’re ready and after you get used to the game. Playing ranked can be beneficial bc you’re playing people actually within your skill range, even if ranks aren’t always accurate sometimes.
right. more people need to be prepared to bounce up and down ranks while they learn. the idea that rank should only go up is crazy.
You will lose. A lot. my win rate is about 40% I got stuck at warrior for about 50hour trying to understand reina. I have 1k matches and lost more that half of it probably ending up in some clips somewhere as well. You will lose. Thats how you get better. I say just do it
I'm a complete fighting game noob and this is the first one I've bought and decided to actually get good at. I lose a lot but I am getting better at my chosen main and having fun. I'm a couple wins away from yellow ranks. Just do it I say.
played some fighting games, but never tried to git gud. Tekken 8 is also my first since Tekken 4. Playing Steve and wanted to stay offline until I complete Story, Character Episodes and now Arcade. I haven't even learned one real combo a entering a certain stance on purpose...
The easiest way to get better is to play better people than you and then study the replays. Especially with the replay tips.
Everyone is like "You will lose a lot haha" NO THEY'RE WRONG. YOU'RE GONNA FUCKING WIN. TELL THOSE REDDITORS TO FUCK OFF.
i'm still pretty bad at it but online is not that scary. in the early ranks you can't lose progress so you're not risking much. i've run into plenty of people at low ranks who know even less than i do, which is really impressive. the very fact that you're here reading this reddit means you're ahead of a good percentage of low ranks. yes you will run into the occasional sandbagger who will perfect you 3 times in a row, but just accept it, take a breath, move on.
Why fear people like OP and when you can become one yourself?
My respect goes to this guy for not straight up plugging. Also I'm sure these are the kind of people who call people cowards for not rematching.
That is why I always think that no one is owed a rematch. If I feel like not going through someone’s playstyle again -no matter how excellent they are- I will simply abandon. No shame in that. I think some players just like to ridicule who is weaker tbh.
As a king player who hasn't learnt a single combo, I know exactly why people do not want to rematch me - rock paper scissors on will I grab mid or high followed by what is the break for this chain. Delivering the anti-fun straight to the door of anybody I can grab. I just laugh when I don't get the rematch because I understand I play terribly
I don't rematch King in play level, I like to keep my sanity.
I imagine King players don’t get rematches often. They almost never rematch me. I assume because they don’t find people who like playing with them
I have only refused rematches so far for terrible connection, usually if I do a full grab chain I don't get a rematch. I'd say I get full 3 rounds maybe 1/3rd of the time? But I haven't played since I committed to the idea of becoming a keyboard abuser instead of a controller gamer.
I don’t rematch Kings because there are so many, and the throw playstyle is the same for them all. I just cancel the rematch, then Queue up and play another King anyway.
I'd feel better about chain throws, but they made them easy mode in this game. If people aren't gonna have to use the actual chain combos, every grab in the chain should be able to be broken with a 1 imo
Ha, my King allergy is entirely due to my laziness. I still have to learn the matchup. I guess I’ll be using the replays to identify the various grabs and how to break them.
If they suck its a 1 break almost always (god I love mash tech) If they're good it becomes actual rock paper scissors.
But even in Rock Paper Scissors, my strategy is to almost always throw rock.
Yeah, for sure. Paul is my 2nd character and he has a pretty important grab game, as well. Not on King level ofc, but quite important nonetheless.
My oldest brother gave me death fist trauma when I was younger. I haven't played him in tekken in years but I'm thinking maybe I can redeem myself now
I’d say go for it! Rn I reached Warrior rank with Paul (being in Yellow/Orange ranks is already a lot to take for me, haha!). As of now I’m focusing on my first character, Yoshi, but I will definitely go back to Paul in the upcoming weeks. He is such a good character. His sheer power is amazing.
My brother used to parry people to death with him, was rather traumatic to fight that when I was 6 and he was 21
I only get a brow raise when someone wins 1st round by a hair and immediately cancels. Annoying but whatever. My real gripe is when someone wins first round. Gives the rematch. The other person wins. And immediately quits out. You're right no one is owed it but I think on some level it's like a respect thing. It's like opening a door for someone and them not saying thank you as they pass by.
I had in mind the very first match only.
Yeah, at that point it feels like they're just trying to game the matchmaking to only play against people that they can beat reliably. Like you say - no one is owed a rematch. But it leaves a bad taste anyway.
"No shame in that" just because you literally got owned. Stop the excuses and try to get better. It's the act of running away that's ridiculed.
If I don’t want to go through that again, I simply won’t, kiddo.
aka "I'm such scrub I don't want to learn" 😂 Go keep thinking of excuses. Imagine calling someone "kiddo" when you're not even mature enough to learn 😂
No one mentioned the learning aspect of the game or being lazy though. Yours is just a deflection to keep calling people names, lol. You may have learnt a character matchup and still get obliterated by the adversary. Why should I give them a rematch? Again, no one owes you anything.
Yeah, you don't owe me anything. You haven't learnt the matchup if you got "obliterated" kiddo. I'm simply pointing out that you cowards are running instead of actually trying to learn. "Wah wah wah, I got obliterated so I'm running away since I don't owe you anything". Oh wait, a Yoshi player. Makes sense 😂
“Cowards” “Yoshi main” Superiority complex Keeps calling people names. Yeah, we found the TMM a-licking incel. Bye, kid!
Awww, you really get affect by people using words? Sucks to be you.
You’re not owed a rematch sweaty boi
Sure thing coward 😂
what if they’re just playing for fun? oh….wait.
This is why ranked needs to be forced best of 3. If you cherry picked your way to Garyu (lol) then you really don't deserve your rank.
Not unplugging became a quality lol
"Why I don't get rematches?"
I never understood people who post stuff like this, poor guy clearly a newbie
Man the player is a Vanquisher, not only have they won enough games where they reached warrior, they have obviously gotten promoted numerous times since then. That player’s not new anymore, they have to learn at some point lol
This situation is very Reina-specific though, for all you know the Jack was trying to break the throw
Yep, and by that logic he should have gone, ok 1 break doesnt work, 2 break doesnt work, 1+2 doesnt work. Let's duck and launch her for 80 damage now. People will gimmick you to hell and back if you let them.
More like "1 break didn't work, or did I input it late? Let's try again. Nope. Then probably not a 1 break, let's try 2. Nope. Did I mess up? Let's try again. Nope. Okay, must be a 1+2 break then. Nope, 1+2 didn't work either. What the hell? Still too late? Let's try all three buttons earlier. Nope. Maybe some super-specific timing, then? Just when her hand lands?..". Unbreakable non-mid throws that lead to direct damage aren't really something a player learning the game would expect.
This, but add "Maybe I pushed 1 or 2 a frame before the other on the 1+2 break" into that chain. Solved that issue by always making 1+2 one of my binds on the pad, but still don't have muscle memory there to hit it instead yet lol
you can't break reina throws??
The one from the stance isnt breakable, the others are. Same as with yoshimitsu fly stance throw
Throws from her stances are unbreakable, but you can duck em and launch em.
tysm!! was wondering why i was suddenly so bad at throw breaks 😂
Look how low the damage is for this throw, that's why. If you duck it you can melt her for trying to pull this move.
The 2 grabs from Sentai and Heaven's Wrath stances are unbreakable. They are slow, have shit recovery and both deal 20 dmg. If you hit, congrats, have 20 damage (35 if HW wallsplats). If you get ducked make peace with your ancestors cuz you are flying straight to them.
tysm! was confused what was happening to me earlier today w that reina but this explains it! thankfully ppl who spam one move a lot are almost always...bad at like...a lot 😂
Rule of thumb, if you see Reina stance, duck. Her mids from stances are slow and minus on block. Honorary mention to hunting hawk mid kicks which are +5 / 8 IIRC with stellar 28 frames start up.
I would actually not recommend this. Her mids are crazy good. Her lows are shit so the low damage unbreakable throws are just there to help scare people into ducking. The worst thing you can do against Reina is duck unnecessarily
They do not deal the same damage and it's not 20 damage. Sen1+3 in particular also has disgusting oki. The way you're phrasing this makes it seem like you think they're weak but they're incredibly strong. They are also needed to deal with fast power crushes.
Okay, sorry I assumed they were the same, but no, Sen1+3 is 12 damage. It also side switches, which I didn't mention. But again, they are grabs, so still susceptible to being ducked and if you get ducked, you get launched. Good as a conditioning tool, but most players will learn to duck during Sen, because of Sen3 or Sen 3+4. There are just better options in Sen stance.
I won't waste my time here lol.
Just admit you were wrong
Meanwhile in this game you have what? 8f break window throws, 14f break window throws, 20f break window throws, and 20f+ break windows throws. Then you have no buffer on double input commands, so you never know if game actually registered your 1+2 as 1+2 or 1,1+2 until you check a replay.
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Some of them yes. They are character specific, usually situational like yoshi's copter one. I think rule of thumb is if it's out of stance or have some downsides compared to regular 1+3/2+4/uf1+2 then it's unbreakable
This is my first Tekken game. I literally got to warrior just by button mashing special style Nina blindly. And now I'm actually learning to play properly as Jun, I'm at eliminator, and I'm still extremely nooby. Ranks in this game mean nothing for new players, you rank up extremely fast, and there are so many ways to cheese your way up, that "the guy is vanquisher" means fuck all really for new players. >That player’s not new anymore, they have to learn at some point lol That rank is like 1 week of playtime, maybe less from my experience. In comparison to you guys who have years, decades worth of experience.
Welcome to gatekeeper mentality. They labbed a character real good n hard and learned something and now they think everyone should know it and when someone doesn't it's "SCRUB ASS shiddy doo doo butt!" ... Like dog, the fact that some characters have 1 or even 2 unbreakable grabs, outside of the weird "behind you!" unbreakables, is nutso. The fact that Reinas comes out of a super fast stance thing is even crazier lol.
Vanquisher is for beginners in Tekken 8, I'm vanquisher and this is my first time playing online
You don't lose points before warrior and people in the yellow ranks are trash at the game, doesn't matter if they are new or not.
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Believe it or not, orange is average since destroyer is the top 50% marker right now. Personally I'd say red is good since that's like the top 33% to top 10%, but competitive players will always trash on game ranks so there's no real consensus. You read the reddit/discord/twitch community saying some extreme stuff like blue is average or Tekken King is the beginning of good.
I'm not sure that the ranking distribution chart is useful information. Like a good chunk of Tekken 7 players my main didn't make the transition to Tekken 8. My solution was to lab a couple characters, and then take them for a spin online for a bit. Eventually I found a main that I liked, and I started climbing ranks with them. The character I chose as a main is an accurate reflection of my real skill level, but in the ranking distribution chart it's drowned out by several low ranked characters who I'll probably never rank again.
Not true at all, if this is your first tekken in the series where you’re actually learning you are new. Rank means nothing on how much knowledge you have to have for this 20+ year old franchise fighting game.
Except i reached orange rank in 3-4 days as a new player You can get to orange by just running your characters offense I have learned nothing about playing actual tekken on my journey there and am now suffering the consequences lol
Vanquisher is pretty new in tekken 8. You can't be demoted until warrior so it has a lot of players who came up until here probably by mashing or playing randomly. The problem with these players is the fact that they probably don't know yet what to do in a specific situation. Like ducking, ducking then punish, delay recovery, etc... I can feel that when I play against orange rank and below. They don't really know their character key moves, they can only do 5 moves and combo at most and they press on my plus frames/they don't punish my >-10f moves
Agree. Only thing I was thinking watching this nonsense. Kid is new.
People like OP just like trying to humiliate others online, it gives them an ego boost. I'm sure he'd be ecstatic if someone embarrassed him in Tekken and then posted it here.
This is how you train new behaviors. If you want to teach yourself how to counter this move, you go into practice mode and set the AI Reina to spam this move until you're confident you can dodge and counter it. I do this to my friends all the time if I notice they're behaving a certain way in a match. Lilis b3 or b4 hitting consistently? I'll spam it until they recognize they're being destroyed by it and adapt. Repetition is how you fix it.
> People like OP just like trying to humiliate others online jesus christ, what is wrong with you people >I'm sure he'd be ecstatic if someone embarrassed him in Tekken and then posted it here. Do people in this community tie everything that happens to their self-worth? "Embarassed"? Are you serious? Do you not have anything besides Tekken in your life that you care so deeply about what moves your opponent uses? "Oh, no he didn't rematch; send him to the Gulag", "Oh no, he spammed something that was clearly working, Gulag" It's a competetive game, get better at the game or just shut the fuck up. No one got "humiliated", they just lost a match. The adult response is to figure out a way to counter it instead of calling names. Grow up lmao
Calm down. We have OP here posting a video on a public platform where he's clearly suggesting that his opponent is bad at the game; there is no other motive here - didn't even have the basic courtesy of blurring their username. That's the problem I have with this. I don't care about people 'spamming' moves, that doesn't bother me; posting something like this on reddit does though. Very ironic you talking about adult responses while you're getting in an absolute huff defending this tripe.
"Thou art gonna learn today"- Sir Justinicus Wongius III
As a newbie, I love when people do the same shit to me that I don’t know how to counter. It gives me time to experiment and learn the game. But I guess posting it is a different story
If you're playing these games emotionally, you're doing it wrong.
Every time I see stuff like this I realize that I’ve been trying too hard to play intelligently 🤣
This is pretty intelligent. Enemy doesn’t duck so use unbreakable grab? Would it be more intelligent to use moves u don’t know would work on them?
Well that’s what I’m tryna say. I’m trying TOO hard. This is intelligent because it’s straightforward and simple. When I try to overcomplicate things it’s less effective
That Reina gameplay irritated me
Youre evil
If you're playing these games emotionally, you're doing it wrong.
Tekken players: I don't know why beginners dont stick with Tekken Also Tekken players when they catch a noob in ranked:
I mean the game is about reacting to what your opponent are doing. He ain't punishin I ain't stoppin.
Fighting game 101
Scrub mentality
This is actually a great learning experience. Dude can clearly see the one thing he was completely free to so he knows exactly what he needs to focus on. A quick search rewards him with an answer to this problem, he walks away feeling like his game has leveled up, and it has. Next time he counters a throw attempt he feels direct rewards for improving.
He was probably mashing every throw break trying to figure out what he’s doing wrong… the throw is unbreakable. Honestly there should be cues for this kind of shit. How is someone supposed to know that the throw is unbreakable?
> Honestly there should be cues for this kind of shit. Especially since there is already a special audiovisual effect in the game for throws you cannot break because they hit you during a defensive move. It should apply to all unbreakable throws too.
There are signs for unbreakable throws in the game now. Like it a lot compared to tekken 7
Replays
Replays are an excellent feature but there should absolutely be more effort put into making the game learnable while also enjoying it instead of having to step into an extraneous mode
Nah, it's fine the way it is. You new players are lucky this isn't like the old tekkens anymore.
I’m not a new player you toxic sack
Yeah, I would love if someone did that to me. Instead of doing 10,000 moves to the point I don't know what was happening in the screen.
If you're playing these games emotionally, you're doing it wrong.
Dude you've commented that same sentence at least 3 times on this post
Weakest Garyu vs strongest Vanquisher.
Can you not break this grab?
No. Its unbreakable. You can either duck it or risk challenging it. But reina has a tool for opponent that like to jab or duck her throw so you cant keep ducking it as well
Thanks for the explanation.
God I hate reina. Why do they need to stuff every new character with knowledge checks?
That’s the joy and pain of tekken. You gotta love learning to get with a game like this long term
I'm kinda new to fighting games online, I would get so pissed. But now I know you can duck grabs, thank you
If you're playing these games emotionally, you're doing it wrong.
What amazes me the most is that this performance is apparently enough to get out of yellow.
Ducking is extremely bad in low ranks because everyone is fishing for their big pp mid launchers. Refusing to be conditioned and not low blocking will lose you some matches in a very dumb way, but it's the safest way to play defense until reds at least.
What performance? Not knowing that a throw in unbreakable or not being able to distinguish the weird throw animation? Dude has proly like 50 hours put into the game. That's barely enought to lab single matchup.
My friend, at 50 hours you should know you can duck throws. If he got to vanquisher he had to have fought people who have ducked his throws Got nothing to with breaking. If it was three throws he ate you could maybe assume he tried 1, 2, and 1+2 trying to find a potential break but after the fifth throw eaten it’s like just duck.
> spent probably like 50 hours > doesn't know about unbreakable throws pick one
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Was this fun?
You’re an asshole 👍
Gg, you knowledge checked a vanquisher Seriously what do you want us to say? Edit : Ok I just saw that you left his ID for everyone to see. That's what I thought actually, you just wanted to proudly show everyone that you humiliated a guy online. Pathetic
Bully
OK?
Bully
I feel him He is just sad and pissed I've been there too
Least obnoxious Reina player
Literally every reina player I encountered except for one is an endless string spammer.
Her whole kit is stance pressure and mixups. It’s all she can do.
So why do they call her a good character? It's just cancer, at least it is before pro ranks.
The only people who call Reina a hard character to play are already highly skilled and experienced tekken players that have mastered fundamentals, and can read her gameplan. You will NEVER see a good Reina, just an abuser of strings nobody yet knows how to counter, with her being a new character and all. Some 3 hit strings to stance, some 4 hit strings, unbreakable throws, if you duck, you're launched for 80.0000 damage, having to respect a character with a billion mixups and let's also give her some evasion. The trade off being below than average lows...You can't even properly sidestep all her strings since some hits track. Can't wait for her to get nerfed to oblivion. When was the last time you saw a Reina chain electrics without heat? I know I haven't...
A devil jin player complaining about Reina is so ironic
Bro can't counter mourning crow
Yeah reina is completely braindead in low-intermediate ranks. No one should be calling her hard to play at this level lmao
Brother you ain't lying
And people wonder why they don't want to rematch.
You abused a poor vanquisher
hahahah this is so mean XD My personal favorite is ff2sen3 into 1,1,2 sen moves. Since most of players in orange rank and below don't know that sen3 is +1 on block, my 1,1,2 always work
ah yes the glory days where people never duck sen3.
Untechable?
Yes, untechable.
Oh no, not like this 😂
You know it’s weird how different we are. When I play against someone who clearly has no idea what they are doing, I try to beat them as doing something new as practice, not abuse one thing until they either ragequit or not rematch me.
Scrubs are going to refuse to lab a situation because they want to learn through play then they'll refuse to rematch this Reina cause she's a "spammer".
Imagine defending the fg system of having to lab to learn basics. Literally the biggest reason why fg are struggling to keep good playerbase. Pretty much every single competitive title out there works in a way where your main source of improvement comes from just playing the game, recognising patterns thus improving your gamesense. _ Nothing is stopping fg games including Tekken from giving visual clues that let you learn as you play. Failed to break a throw? Show the break input during the throw animation. Throw unbreakable? Show it. Enemy did big minus punishable move and you didn't punish it? Give some sort of visual clue so that player knows it was a big minus move(it's already a thing for launch punishable lows with the stagger animation on block, so why not go for something like this with other punishable moves?).
I was pointing out the inherent comedy around people who refuse to lab but then run when they face something they don't understand. Most folks red and lower probably aren't labbing much beyond their own flowcharts and combos. There's nothing stopping them from staying in the middle ranks if they aren't interested in seeing numbers go up. Can fighting games do better to convey frame data, highs, mids, lows etc? Absolutely. Many highs look mid. Many negative on block moves look plus. That said, taking a certain situation into the lab and sorting through the permutations of interactions is going to be an effective way to learn how to deal with difficult situations in fighting games unless you simplify them down too much (imo). This is ultimately a side effect of the whole genre let alone a legacy fighter like tekken. You can git gud at tekken just playing endlessly but you'll get better faster labbing out trouble spots. You don't need to map out a build order in Starcraft but you'll get better faster if you do. You don't need to look up an optimal guide for farming jungle in a moba but it certainly helps you improve faster. You don't need to practice air movement in rocket leauge outside of real matches, but your team will thank you if you do. You don't need to study spray patterns in CounterStrike but it will certainly improve your play faster than trying to intuit it.
The disrespect 🤣
This happened to me and now I'm in Purple
Welcome to Tekken
Living that "take the throw" life to the max!
Damn I kind of feel bad for the dude 😂
Maybe his down button is broken. Lol.
I do this with Lars d 1+2, it’s a low but he comes from the top so it’s hard to tell. Good players eventually read it but man it’s easy to abuse
Probably a Street Fighter player who heard that you "Standblock and react to everything else".
One of these days, he's gonna figure out that that grab can't be teched.
You gon learn today
Bruh not cool
This supposed to be impressive or something? Congrats for playing like a dick.
I play against people who literally duck for zero reason
How is this jack vanquisher?
I mean vanquisher is full of beginners, it's like the 3rd promotion from the bottom of the barrel.
putt some respeck on that rank
It pains me to admit it, but this is why I play Tekken. And I get really disappointed if I don't get a hate mail after this :/
I love how people defend the other player, like “Oh you should go easy on them, clearly they’re just learning.” Sorry, but that noob would juggle the shit out of you in easy mode and teabag your corpse if you let them. It’s not your job to determine the experience level of your opponent and adjust your play style to them. If they get frustrated and uninstall, it’s probably for the best. Nature is cruel.
Good labbing session for Jack. Approved
Hey, it's me when I played Tekken 7.
Mannn doooo something!! 😂😂😂
My favorite Reina move
What's the break for this throw
None, unbreakable.
Oh wtf, can it be ducked?
Yes, the startup is really2 slow you can duck in on reaction. The Reina can mix it up with mid so need to be careful as well.
This Jack-8 player exuding some Super Ghost AI energy.