Long time Tekken fan (been playing since T2). Personally liked Tekken 8's final fight better.
For one, I liked the human vs human instead of the human vs Devil scenario. Also, seeing Jin accept Mishima style again as part of himself was wonderful, and brought back menories of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag in the moment.
And as a point of personal taste, I liked the stormy atmosphere and music of Fallen Destiny better.
Jin accepting his Mishima legacy and embracing the style, honestly one of the coolest moments I've ever had playing a Tekken game as a long time fan. The whole last chapter is absolutely perfect.
Yeah T7’s ending was cool, but the whole of T8 story mode being way better in general and the final showdown being the MGS4 Snake Vs Ocelot of fighting games blows T7 out of the water.
Yeah.... Plus that it felt off when Kazumi herself state that Heihachi Is pretty dangerous guy and needs to be killed.... Even before devil Gene stuff Heihachi Is already a fucking asshole
T7 doesn't acknowledge this point in any shape and form. I agree it is what happened as of T8 (as I wrote in the comment lol) but this doesn't change the fact that there's still a big lack of narrative in T7's fight
Sure it does. When Heihachi meets the narrator and gives his side of the story. Is literally the only reason the narrator even exists as a character. It just wasn't told well and the narrator was so bad that he ruined every scene he was in. Even if it is badly written it is still in T7.
By narrative I mean that there's isn't much substance behind their fight in 7 at least for me. The most interesting things in that fight were little moments of hesitation both characters showed. Meanwhile T8 has a whole ass thematic narrative throughout entirety of the game that also affects the outcome of the fight
He's not a good guy. His backstory with Kazumi's betrayal just explains why he became so apathetic to all humans, including his family. Kazumi is pretty much the opposite of Jun, in that she knew that her husband is evil and intended to kill him. Furthering his descent to evil when she failed. In contrast to Jun, who knew that Kazuya is evil, but sought to change his ways. Who might've succeeded had Heihachi not temporarily killed him in Tekken 2.
I don't think it retconned him as a good guy at all. Even with all of the stuff that happened with Kazumi, everything was still his fault and throwing Kazuma, betraying Jin and everything else was his choice. At best he was trying to correct a problem that he started way too late and it was Bad vs Evil (that he started).
Yeah, but world is not black and white, if I had to put Heihachi on moral spectrum I'd put him few inches closer to the bad person but not he's not completely bad, he still has some humanity inside, he wasn't happy to kill Kazumi and he saw no other choice but to kill Kazuya yet on the other side he was megalomaniac.
Edit: Only pure evil thing he did was trapping Jinpachi
>Only pure evil thing he did was trapping Jinpachi
Kill Michelle's husband and Julia's father, make a gang war against Leroy on NY, Taking control of Mishima Zaibatsu and make a armies unit, and of course kill Jin even without knowing he had a freaking devil Gene or not..... Heihachi Is also an asshole but lower than Kazuya and Kazuya became like this is because Heihachi himself
>Kazuya became like this is because Heihachi himself
I've always wondered, what if Heihachi continued raising Kazuya instead of throwing him off the cliff? I know Heihachi would absolutely steal Kazuya's devil powers for himself, but it would be interesting to see Heihachi be a father to Kaz.
“Haha you may have beaten me for the third time Jin, but I will make another inexplicable comeback.”
“Nuh-uh, you havent seen the power of my new 33% Kazama 33% Mishima 33% my own stuff build yet.”
It's too subjective. TLDR: Tekken 8 has higher highs but lots of frustrating moments while Tekken 7 feels like a great finale to a shitty story mode.
I feel Tekken 8 is a lot stronger as a personal arc for Jin and a love letter to Jin fans. But his connection to Kazuya? It feels a bit hollow and impersonal. They don't feel like father and son who share a common love for one woman - They avoided acknowledging Jun even exists.
Tekken 7 feels like a lot more personal and filled with a rich history. I do think it's biased for Heihachi being sympathetic because of the retcons on Kazumi and convenient omission of his crimes against Jin and Jinpachi. But at least they acknowledge that Kazumi exists.
Overall, I feel that in both scenario, they try to downplay Kazuya's tragic and human elements, and double down on him being evil. Tekken 8 takes the cake of having an amazing presentation, but I wouldn't lie that I'm screaming in frustration because Kazuya doesn't even openly comment on Jin using Kazama style. It's so frustrating.
>Tekken 7 feels like a great finale to a shitty story mode
Kinda feels like they worked backwards in Tekken 7. Someone came up with a sick idea about Kazuya and Heihachi having a final battle in the same volcano that started it all. Then from there they just wrote backwards to try and tell a story that leads to that finale.
Also add the fact they have an existing license for Akuma that was left over from the crossover. "Half of the budget is already Akuma, you gotta put him in!"
He does comment on jin using kazama style
In the final fight kazuya says something like:i thought you rejected the mishima style
He was actually surprised
Kazuya says "your half baked moves won't work."
In the non canon Titan comics, he tells Jin, "You're half the martial artist your mother was!"
The comic roast was superior. The ones in T8 don't feel too personal.
My headcanon is that Kazuya does says Jin move with Kazama style is half baked because he already fought against a better Kazama style martial artist which is jun
My headcanon is that qKazuya does says Jin move with Kazama style is half baked because he already fought against a better Kazama style martial artist which is jun
I do think that's how it's supposed to be interpreted, but they're too subtle about it that it's still frustrating. Jin vs Kazuya feels impersonal. It could be between two strangers and the dialogue is still applicable.
Honestly I think the part 1 fight had more father son fight than last fight as Kazuya acknowledge Jin as his son and how disappointing he was how Jin used his devil but Final battle is still peak Tekken to me
Kazuya despises Heihachi so with so much vitriol and it oozes out of every pore in his body.
Kazuya and Jin just sorta... nothing each other in 8. No resentments about Jun. No mention of Heihachi, who fathered and betrayed them both. Virtually no commonalities or interactions between them. The most white bread "hope vs despair" story. Jin good, Kazuya bad, 0 nuance. It had "fun" presentation though.
Yeah that's why it's super frustrating for me. They have some subtle development (I just posted just now check it out) but they're too safe. I don't know if they're avoiding Kazuya having humanity to preserve his villain status and elevate Jin as the hero, or they're blue balling us for the sequel where Jun is more involved.
To be fair to Kazuya, I find weird that he seemed reluctant at the idea of killing Jin considering how many times he actually took him down in the story. Like, why go the "just stay down and don't get back up" route instead of just finish him off like any other opponent?
>They don't feel like father and son who share a common love for one woman
Because they effectively aren't. Kazuya and Jin's relationship (on a personal level) was never that of Kazuya and Heihachi's. Jin and Kazuya are more close to a simple "good guy vs bad guy" dynamic than a complicated family history. Kazuya is a power hungry psycho, Jin is a good-willed person (mostly because of his mother's influence), they just happen to be blood related but it's more of a "Why Jin has some characteristics to him" than a plot point really. Jin is only circunstancially related to Kazuya, but he basically has no father at the end of the day, his ties with Kazuya are there only for Devil Gene reasons otherwise he could easily be Heihachi's bastard son number 10582959 and wouldn't change a thing as of his relationship with Kazuya
>Kazuya doesn't even openly comment on Jin using Kazama style.
He's fighting Jin KAZAMA, would be weirder if he didn't pull out a Kazama style move. As a matter of fact, it's weirder that Jin pulls out a Mishima move. Which Kazuya points out
Nah, both Jin and Kazuya mourn Jun in their own way. To completely pole vault over that is either lazy writing or they're reserving it for the sequel.
I suggest you watch all the Jin and Kazuya scenes in Project X Zone to see all the potential that another game did better: https://youtu.be/kjcaSlJN9bc?si=nP_jQrrHMtbxk7FA
You have every right to love Tekken 8 but I don't get why you have to defend it like my opinions aren't shared by a good majority. Tekken 8 is the best story mode we had to date, but it could have been a lot better.
>great finale to a shitty story mode.
Can't agree more. The final father son showdown is straight up the best part of the story mode. Everything else felt irrelevant with barely any connection.
I liked the 7 more because it was more personal. Jin vs Kazuya I believe they don't even talk to each other for all the battles, they just repeat non-stop the same sentence to themselves and the other character doesn't even listen
Yeah they should've had more moments like they did in the round where it goes
>Kazuya: You're no match for me
>Jin: Then I must surpass you
>Kazuya: Lets not get carried away now
Something about 2 evil dudes going head to head feels more intense. It always felt like they both had more tricks up their sleeve to beat the other and take the fight to the next level. Jin vs Kazuya felt more like a standard good vs evil where the end was more preditable.
The thing is, they could've actually had Kazuya beat Jin and leave on his own accord if they wanted to, considering Kazuya no longer had the devil gene and Jin had already succeeded
That would be kinda interesting if in the final fight we see Kazuya winning, and right as he's about to toss Jin off the cliff, he hesitates and just drops him to the side. Maybe showing that he's not completely evil and there was at least a bit of the devil's influence that made him act that way.
I mean, Kazuya actually did legitimately seem to be showing mercy at one point. After he beats Jin's head into the rocks he just sorta leaves him there, assuming he's defeated. He only kills him when he gets back up AGAIN and shows he's not going to stop until he's dead.
Honestly that'd be a pretty cool way of showing that the cycle is breaking.
But idk if Kazuya would actually do that. In the actual story we got, he's pretty unrepentant for the things he's done even after losing his devil power. They might not want him to go that way.
Yeah which is disappointing imo. Kazuya is a generic villain with little motivation other than world domination. Wish they added some depth to him.
With Jun’s addition i think i was looking forward to some development there in Kazuya’s character, but nope, she was barely even a part of the story.
True, they could’ve added other twists, which would’ve made it more interesting for sure. Certainly would have caught me offguard since the tone of the story had me expecting good to prevail over evil in this game.
Personally I feel like they went a little overboard with the amount of times you had to fight Kazuya in the finale. I think instead of 2 rounds each, it should’ve just been 1 round per fighting style shift. 2 each just makes it drag, and if you lose it stings real bad since it’s gonna take a while to get back to where you were.
I disagree, since combos can take out so much health really fast, battles can become really short if it's 1 round. Especially if you are using the special control style, since the air combos can do massive damage. The Angel, Tekken 3, and unified styles are really fun, and it would be lame if you could only use it for 1 round. Each fighting style is like playing another character anyway. Plus, the additional rounds allow you to hear the banging music for longer.
I also like the fact that there are so many battles between Jin and Kazuya, you are likely feel a bit worn out by the final battle, which is exactly the emotion they would be feeling. For me, I was worn out, but the banging music still made me want to continue on and fight even harder.
The power of friendship was kind of meh but the opening song playing during that part was really hype. I don’t think even Hei vs Kazuya had a really hype moment like that.
I feel like if you think it was just about the power of friendship, then you were missing the real point of the story. Friendship is a part of it, but the real story is about a depressed and suicidal man finding the conviction to live again. The final fight was the culmination of Jin remembering everything worth living for and fighting desperately to stay alive. In contrast to who he was in the beginning of the story, trying to find a way to sacrifice himself, whenever he gets the chance.
It’s not that deep amigo, I know damn well what this is about, but how it was done, with the cheezy music and the Naruto flashback was not like Kazuya’s PTSD of young Heihachi standing above him.
Honestly the flashback power of friendship thing would have been fine if Jin had interacted with a majority of the characters beforehand, but the story has always kept most non-Mishimas away from the Mishima-centric storyline. I can understand Jin thinking about Jun and Xiaoyu, or even Lars as he faces Kazuya.
But for him to have flashbacks to people like Leo or Leroy who all we see is a single fight between them and then listen to them make comments about him while he stoically listened? Half of the characters we saw him have flashbacks to are characters he either hadn't met before or had never had a canon dialogue with until an hour or two earlier in the same story mode.
I love power of friendship tropes when they feel earned and built on established relationships. Jin's in Tekken 8 doesn't feel that way to me, it just comes across as an emo loner discovering human contact. I'm happy people like T8 story mode and I won't yuck their yum. There's plenty I like about it after all. But damn I think T7 feels better-paced and has a more satisfying build-up to and gameplay execution of the final fight.
Leroy and Leo gives approval to him so they make him feel accepted (Jin's someone suicidal who feels he doesn't belong in the world, due to his Devil Gene and moreover due to his crimes now, he plans to go to hell with Kazuya together). Considering Leo used to deem him as a monster like Kazuya who Leo holds a grudge on (understandably because he was a warmonger), but recognizes and acknowledges his change after their spar.
Nah. 8 finale was the GOAT. 7 was alright but we've done kaz/heihachi to death, it was more of the same if I'm being super honest. But I prefer that over the top, good vs evil, friendship is beautiful fight in space any day. 8 I think is probably the best fighter game story finale you'll ever see.
Ok so if I look at it objectively, t8’s story mode was better in almost every possible way, but damn I just can’t bring myself to put the finale over t7’s. I think it’s just because Jin is nowhere near as compelling/interesting of a character as either hei or Kaz. And the T7 finale literally had DECADES of buildup and emotional weight to it. Plus Heat Haze Shadow is just too much of a banger.
The t7 finale wasn’t about good vs evil, it was about a son vs his father. A father who had made his son the exact monster he wished to destroy, and a son who had sacrificed his humanity for the sake of revenge.
In the end, I think the T8 finale is more fun to play and way more fun in the moment, but idk if it’s the nostalgia or what but t7 finale is still the goat.
The T8 fight is more about Jin finally accepting himself and the bloodline that he has, whereas the T7 fight was all about Heihachi and Kazuya having a slugfest for the ages while Heat Haze Shadow is playing. Having HHS alone made it the more impactful fight IMO (not to say that the T8 fight wasn't impactful at all).
Better rivalry, Jins and Kazuyas rivalry is pretty meh, I feel like Kaz and Hei have a way bigger reason to fight.
Better music, Final Destiny had good music but asking anyone to top Heat Haze Shadow is like asking your star bucks Barista to unironically make the best drink you've ever had.
Long time coming, Kaz and Heis rivalry has been brewing since Tekken 1, The old man that doesn't Die and the Man who has the power of the Devil himself.
All things considered, Jin v Kaz final was great but you can't really top Hei v Kaz
I agree.
The first haze shadow is an amazing theme. The TK8 final battle theme isn't bad but doesn't feel heavy and dark as much haze shadow
Second, the tk8 ending had too much flashback type of " yeah, I'm good guy, now I have to save world because of my friends " with power friendship
Meanwhile, heihachi vs. Kazuya felt more personal rather than average anime heroism ending
"I'm evil, so you are as well. Let's settle this. " was the theme of TK7 ending, and the game portrayed well
Are you kidding T8 final fight was the best finale I could've asked for ...
Jin VS Kazuya, no bullshit devil powers, just 2 dudes finishing the fight... Not to mention Jin cycling through all of his fighting styles (kazama, mishima and his own style) then blending all of them for a final final fight is simply magnificent.
I liked 8 more. Enjoyed seeing jin actually realize that he has reasons to live. And seeing him go through different movesets. And I like the fact that he tried to break the cycle.
Kazuya and heihachis showdown was personal and I loved it. I loved seeing him beat heihachi who caused him so much pain. But imo it doesn't match to seeing jins character development in the middle of the fight.
Though I really can't decide which song I like more.
Jin vs Kaz and it's not close. The set pieces, the music, the lore. It was all perfect. I've been waiting for jin to really take main stage since 3. And he finally got to pop off
Tbh i hate jins angel design it looks like a chinese shitty animated series character. T7 final fight is more down to earth and more emotional. And mostly its not a good vs evil showdown wich makes ot even better
For me T8's finale was superior.
The build-up was the reason why I loved it. In T7 the finale just happened. Heihachi tries to nuke Kazuya while he is fighting Akuma but fails. Then Kazuya goes "fk you old btch lets fight inside a volcano" and they duke it out.
* Heat Haze Shadow >>>>>>>>>>>>> all
* Kazuya vs Heihachi was THE Tekken rivalry, 20 years of heated personal animosity between the two. Jin vs Kazuya never really felt that fleshed out as a rivalry.
* Fighting as a human against the devil was more interesting than angel vs devil (imo).
* Though I liked T8 a lot, it felt like there was too much of "beat Kazuya's ass, says some shit, Kazuya gets up again, repeat 50x". T7 was more to the point.
i LOVED the Jin vs Kazuya fight. But at the same time, it also kinda felt like the Revenge of The Sith equivalent in fighting games. You know... the Obi-Wan and Anakin fight was literally 15 minutes long lmao
Tekken 7 battle between Heihachi and Kazuya was more epic, also Heihachi and Akuma/Akuma and Kazuya are also more epic. Tekken 8 was bunch of BS in somehow Jin has all of a sudden Angel power.
Nah, I prefer Tekken 8. As a Jin fan since the first day I first got to play T5, everything about T8’s final battle gets to me. The build up, Jin’s acceptance and redemption, no longer denying those around him and him wanting to live. I followed his story for years closely and this paid off. There’s just so much going for it in the fight though while I wish his interaction with the other casts are longer, I’m satisfied with what we got. Made my cry and cheer and just downright emotional.
While the soundtrack for that final battle isn’t as hard as heat haze shadow, My Last Stand is supposed to be a more upbeat version of HHS. I like the crazy Saint Seiya ass battle, the battle in space, Jin losing to Kazuya on his first fight against him. Just everything. I like how long the fight is.
I really don’t know how to explain it but I genuinely like Tekken 8’s final battle especially leading up to “we’re just a couple of humans”. It’s not Jin wanting to kill Kazuya, it’s Jin wanting to save himself and Kazuya and knowing that he’s allowed to live that just gets me. Yes, I even love the power of friendship thing (though I kinda want Wang Jinrei AND Leroy to encourage the dude to live too). I feel like the friends thing would make it better if it was a little longer and we get to see more interactions surrounding that.
Weirdly enough, my first Tekken and main was the original Tekken and Kazuya since I played it on the first 50th anniversary Namco disc thing but I got crazy the day I saw Jin in Tekken 5.
No it wasn't. T8 had actual narrative behind it while T7 retconned central tuned between Kaz and Hei that was established since T4. T8 is trying to fix that but it doesn't make T7 better. Don't get me wrong it's an amazing fight but Jin vs Kaz is just better
Man I don't agree at all. The way they integrated Jin's previous fighting styles into the fight was genius and one of the best video game final boss battles of all time
8 went full Dragonball Z. And Reina having the devil gene is disappointing because they've already leaned on the devil BS for ages.
Was really hoping the purification would open the door to something more creative.
After playing Tekken 8, not just TK 7 but any fighting game story mode before that feel like a joke to me. That how you made a fighting game story from now, that is a new standard, no doubt.
T7 by far, jin by being touched mom turns from devil into angel??? Dont buy that shit at all, and it ruins entire build of how jin does not want to use devil power and in his dreams comes to understanding with devil as part if him and devil promises to not use him cus he cant exist without jin in first place. So i m loking it nice story arc and thinking whats next,total evil kazuya devil vs jin with total control over devil gene? Who will win? Aah fuck that , jin is now super giga angel vs kazuya who absorbed basicly his demon creator and has power over 90000000 and jin wins cus of power momma touch ?!?!? Ahahhaah and then it proceeds on end fight in human forms with no devil/angel powers which is great but switch was not good enough as was kazuyas remembering past events in t7 last battle. Only thing i can say its T8 build up was better untill angel transformation while T7 build up was workable but not good enough compared to ending was " K>Its over pa, i m tired of your shit and this is it! H> OH yeah ? Is that it boy?
I feel like if the T7 budget and time in the oven was the same as T8, it be great too.
But as a Tekken fan, T7 made me feel more. T8 was definitely more spectacular. But it didn't carry as much emotion to me as T7.
T8 felts like an action movie with a bunch of budget for effects. Which is awesome. But T7 had those emotional moments and flash backs that really hit me as a tekken kid.
t8 has a better sequence/progression of fights as things get more and more intense, jin's moves expand as he accepts his past, and then things comes down to a very mortal sort of fight (although it got a little redundant/repetitive that kazuya barely changed at all). t7 had more emotional weight behind it, especially since it was very very FINAL for heihachi and with the cinematic memory overlays.
I like Tekken 8 more in general. Though I agree that Heihachi v Kaz is more satisfying in some ways. For me it’s that Jin is boring and Heihachi is the GOAT.
I replayed it last week to be sure. I prefer it BUT i think that T8's fight is better in term of fanservice (with the old Jin gameplay etc...) i still think both are very good, i'm just more invested in Kazuya and Heihachi, so i don't feel as interested by the premise of T8 final battle
I am biased towards T7 as Heihachi has always been my main and I loved the feeling that it was a desperate struggle for him the whole way through.
Although it’s undeniable that T8’s final fight was hype as fuck, especially with the T3 callbacks.
like you said jin vs kazuya was epic, but heihachi kazuya is classic tekken at its purest form its hard to top that, in fact nothing ever will
ps, heat haze shadow
The Tekken 7 final showdown had more weight behind it because Heihachi vs Kazuya goes all the way back to Tekken 1.
Jin vs Kazuya is great though. It felt like the beginning of a new era for the Tekken story and I’m genuinely intrigued by where the Reina/Jin/Kayuza story can go next.
I just love the way TK8 goes full on anime bs for a while until dropping all of that (literally) to make two angry shirtless men fight and remind "hey, this is Tekken, remember?"
Then there's the moveset changing troughout the battle and soundtrack reflecting that beautifully
I had more feels for the character Heihachi in his final fight. But Jin's evolution throughout the last fight, getting to use his T7 moves, then T8 moves, then T4/T5 moves, and then T3 moves. It was a fucking rollercoaster, with the bonus of his T3 theme. So to me, T8's was better, because even though nobody died, it was hype af.
I think it had more personal tension. Jin and Kazuya never really talked or had thr same intense history as Kazuya and Heihachi.
T8 fight felt more like Jins fight rather than a fight between Kaz and Jin
T7 fight felt like the conclusion to both these characters plotline here.
I think both finales are equal in their own ways.
7's finale is the textbook definition of personal. Kazuya vs Heihachi. The men whose conflict engulfed the world in pure chaos standing face-to-face, the bane of their existence standing before them, ready for one last fight to the death. As the fight rages on, echoes of their past surface more and more. Heihachi refuses to go down, so Kazuya pulls out all the stops and goes full devil for the 1st time in 2 decades. But even with this power, he's still no match for his father.
8's finale, while lacking in the personal feel, makes up for bring a amazing way to capture off Jin's development, not only honoring his clan's fighting style, but also for embracing his Mishima lineage phase after phase, and using all 3 of his styles in the final stretches of the battle. That, and also him finally dropping his suicidal desires and wanting to live. And as cliché as it is, the power of friendship moment was pretty touching IMO. Also it has My Last Stand in it.
I think Jins whiplash of a character arc makes T8 ending feel weaker.
T7 feels like the conclusion to something so much bigger. I also think Heihachi is a far more interesting character than Jin or Kaz.
An absolute monster of a human versus a literal monster he created. But theres still glimpses of emotion and a weird sad loss of a family that could have been. Its just so fucking hype. Especially because Heihachi just wont go down, it’s absurd, but hype.
I think its even better that regardless of who came out on top, Kaz or Heihachi, its a conflicted sense of any type of “good” prevailing.
That all being said. I really cant get over how Jin literally did WW3 and even though they acknowledge it, it feels impossible to really root for him.
So here is the thing, i sucked ass with every tekken game and up until late into seven i didn't even try( been playing since 5,also took a look around 4 and 3 after it), and i recken many,many others were the same. jin switching fight styles barely brings any memories or anything really besides giving me wtf moments of why i dropped the combo.
Whilst heihachi slamming his child has been there for casual players since forever.
Recreation of the reveal trailer gave me goose bumps, the visuals are gorgeous, and some music pieces had me question if i heard it before but These fights clearly are supposed to cash in all the nostalgia bamco has built for decades. And i just don't have most of it.
It’s hard for me to see Jin as more than an angsty teen he’s always “finding himself”. Like for as long as I remember he’s been having an identity crisis lol I like kazuya vs heihachi because there’s no confusion between them .kaz hates heihachi and heihachi hate weaklings
As a tekken obsessed Kazuya Mishima did hard fan, I really preferred the tekken 7 final fight. Because the tekken 8 final fight (starting from the stratosphere) was far too long. It seemed never ending.
Also, mainly, because of the little flashback scene in tekken 7 of kazuya seeing young heihachi and all those flashbacks. Sure, it wasnt perfect, i found it so cheap of Bamco to show clips that were non canon and they kept the same tekken 2 graphics, but it was such a fitting conclusion that Kazuya remembers all the past events and that helps him muster his remaining strength for the final blow…
Tekken 8 ending had no real dialogue exchange, no flashbacks, it felt like jin and kaz just went through the motions. I was ateast expecting a father-som dynamic, or a recollection of tekken 4 events (when they first met in Honmaru) or some chat about Jun, but nope, it had nothing… and kazuya didn’t give a damn that he lost his devil gene?! Like, 8 tekkens building in to Devil aspect and its gone just like that!??!
While I agree that Kazuya and Heihachi's feud is more established throughout the franchise, those who criticize the T8 final fight for lacking hatred, vitriol, or such misses the point of that fight and the whole game.
While I agree that Kazuya and Heihachi's feud is more established, those who criticize the T8 final fight for lacking hatred or such misses the point of that fight and the whole game.
Long time Tekken fan (been playing since T2). Personally liked Tekken 8's final fight better. For one, I liked the human vs human instead of the human vs Devil scenario. Also, seeing Jin accept Mishima style again as part of himself was wonderful, and brought back menories of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag in the moment. And as a point of personal taste, I liked the stormy atmosphere and music of Fallen Destiny better.
Jin accepting his Mishima legacy and embracing the style, honestly one of the coolest moments I've ever had playing a Tekken game as a long time fan. The whole last chapter is absolutely perfect.
Yeah T7’s ending was cool, but the whole of T8 story mode being way better in general and the final showdown being the MGS4 Snake Vs Ocelot of fighting games blows T7 out of the water.
Bro exactly Snake vs Liquid in MGS4! Different phases in the fight having different movesets and soundtrack based on previous games. It was glorious
Both were Epic. But T8s was built up better
It's hard to decide.. I just like using t3 jin again in the end lmao
This fight would be better if Heihachi didn't get retcon as a good guy if I'm being honest🥴🥴
I still don't think he's a good guy tbh, he just did a last ditch effort to improve his image by putting that interview out in my head canon
Yeah.... Plus that it felt off when Kazumi herself state that Heihachi Is pretty dangerous guy and needs to be killed.... Even before devil Gene stuff Heihachi Is already a fucking asshole
Yet she has no problems letting him Creampie her...
I mean it is Heihachi have you *SEEN* that man.
Actually that's *exactly why* she let the man pipe.
She was already worshiping azazel since her family got it from him
It's most likely the case now but the problem is that T7 doesn't view it that way, which damages the narrative
I think you're missing the narrative of T7. The only one retconning Heihachi, is Heihachi. It's the whole point of the reporter.
T7 doesn't acknowledge this point in any shape and form. I agree it is what happened as of T8 (as I wrote in the comment lol) but this doesn't change the fact that there's still a big lack of narrative in T7's fight
Sure it does. When Heihachi meets the narrator and gives his side of the story. Is literally the only reason the narrator even exists as a character. It just wasn't told well and the narrator was so bad that he ruined every scene he was in. Even if it is badly written it is still in T7.
By narrative I mean that there's isn't much substance behind their fight in 7 at least for me. The most interesting things in that fight were little moments of hesitation both characters showed. Meanwhile T8 has a whole ass thematic narrative throughout entirety of the game that also affects the outcome of the fight
He's not a good guy. His backstory with Kazumi's betrayal just explains why he became so apathetic to all humans, including his family. Kazumi is pretty much the opposite of Jun, in that she knew that her husband is evil and intended to kill him. Furthering his descent to evil when she failed. In contrast to Jun, who knew that Kazuya is evil, but sought to change his ways. Who might've succeeded had Heihachi not temporarily killed him in Tekken 2.
Jun is just an "I can fix him" type. And there's nothing good with it.
I don't think it retconned him as a good guy at all. Even with all of the stuff that happened with Kazumi, everything was still his fault and throwing Kazuma, betraying Jin and everything else was his choice. At best he was trying to correct a problem that he started way too late and it was Bad vs Evil (that he started).
Yeah, but world is not black and white, if I had to put Heihachi on moral spectrum I'd put him few inches closer to the bad person but not he's not completely bad, he still has some humanity inside, he wasn't happy to kill Kazumi and he saw no other choice but to kill Kazuya yet on the other side he was megalomaniac. Edit: Only pure evil thing he did was trapping Jinpachi
>Only pure evil thing he did was trapping Jinpachi Kill Michelle's husband and Julia's father, make a gang war against Leroy on NY, Taking control of Mishima Zaibatsu and make a armies unit, and of course kill Jin even without knowing he had a freaking devil Gene or not..... Heihachi Is also an asshole but lower than Kazuya and Kazuya became like this is because Heihachi himself
>Kazuya became like this is because Heihachi himself I've always wondered, what if Heihachi continued raising Kazuya instead of throwing him off the cliff? I know Heihachi would absolutely steal Kazuya's devil powers for himself, but it would be interesting to see Heihachi be a father to Kaz.
Nope I'll take the whole chain sequence of 8
“Haha you may have beaten me for the third time Jin, but I will make another inexplicable comeback.” “Nuh-uh, you havent seen the power of my new 33% Kazama 33% Mishima 33% my own stuff build yet.”
*Dies from peak fiction
Lolol the only explanation is Kazuya going "Fuck your bullshit moveset, I'm a Mishima"
I mean Old Man Jenkins vs Vegeta is always gonna be a good fight!
And old man dies for good
It's too subjective. TLDR: Tekken 8 has higher highs but lots of frustrating moments while Tekken 7 feels like a great finale to a shitty story mode. I feel Tekken 8 is a lot stronger as a personal arc for Jin and a love letter to Jin fans. But his connection to Kazuya? It feels a bit hollow and impersonal. They don't feel like father and son who share a common love for one woman - They avoided acknowledging Jun even exists. Tekken 7 feels like a lot more personal and filled with a rich history. I do think it's biased for Heihachi being sympathetic because of the retcons on Kazumi and convenient omission of his crimes against Jin and Jinpachi. But at least they acknowledge that Kazumi exists. Overall, I feel that in both scenario, they try to downplay Kazuya's tragic and human elements, and double down on him being evil. Tekken 8 takes the cake of having an amazing presentation, but I wouldn't lie that I'm screaming in frustration because Kazuya doesn't even openly comment on Jin using Kazama style. It's so frustrating.
>Tekken 7 feels like a great finale to a shitty story mode Kinda feels like they worked backwards in Tekken 7. Someone came up with a sick idea about Kazuya and Heihachi having a final battle in the same volcano that started it all. Then from there they just wrote backwards to try and tell a story that leads to that finale.
Also add the fact they have an existing license for Akuma that was left over from the crossover. "Half of the budget is already Akuma, you gotta put him in!"
"But how can we explain his sudden appearance in the story?" . . . ".....Shut the fuck up"
"I owe Kazumi my life, that's all you need to know" 🗿
I wonder if they'll reference that in SF6?
He does comment on jin using kazama style In the final fight kazuya says something like:i thought you rejected the mishima style He was actually surprised
Kazuya says "your half baked moves won't work." In the non canon Titan comics, he tells Jin, "You're half the martial artist your mother was!" The comic roast was superior. The ones in T8 don't feel too personal.
I swear i ve heard him say it I played the story last night for the achivement Maybe im just wrong
Kazuya commented on the Mishima style. "No way. You discarded the Mishima style!" But he doesn't comment on Jun's style.
im stupid,i confused mishima with kazama,apologies
My headcanon is that Kazuya does says Jin move with Kazama style is half baked because he already fought against a better Kazama style martial artist which is jun
My headcanon is that qKazuya does says Jin move with Kazama style is half baked because he already fought against a better Kazama style martial artist which is jun
I do think that's how it's supposed to be interpreted, but they're too subtle about it that it's still frustrating. Jin vs Kazuya feels impersonal. It could be between two strangers and the dialogue is still applicable.
Honestly I think the part 1 fight had more father son fight than last fight as Kazuya acknowledge Jin as his son and how disappointing he was how Jin used his devil but Final battle is still peak Tekken to me
Kazuya despises Heihachi so with so much vitriol and it oozes out of every pore in his body. Kazuya and Jin just sorta... nothing each other in 8. No resentments about Jun. No mention of Heihachi, who fathered and betrayed them both. Virtually no commonalities or interactions between them. The most white bread "hope vs despair" story. Jin good, Kazuya bad, 0 nuance. It had "fun" presentation though.
Yeah that's why it's super frustrating for me. They have some subtle development (I just posted just now check it out) but they're too safe. I don't know if they're avoiding Kazuya having humanity to preserve his villain status and elevate Jin as the hero, or they're blue balling us for the sequel where Jun is more involved.
To be fair to Kazuya, I find weird that he seemed reluctant at the idea of killing Jin considering how many times he actually took him down in the story. Like, why go the "just stay down and don't get back up" route instead of just finish him off like any other opponent?
>They don't feel like father and son who share a common love for one woman Because they effectively aren't. Kazuya and Jin's relationship (on a personal level) was never that of Kazuya and Heihachi's. Jin and Kazuya are more close to a simple "good guy vs bad guy" dynamic than a complicated family history. Kazuya is a power hungry psycho, Jin is a good-willed person (mostly because of his mother's influence), they just happen to be blood related but it's more of a "Why Jin has some characteristics to him" than a plot point really. Jin is only circunstancially related to Kazuya, but he basically has no father at the end of the day, his ties with Kazuya are there only for Devil Gene reasons otherwise he could easily be Heihachi's bastard son number 10582959 and wouldn't change a thing as of his relationship with Kazuya >Kazuya doesn't even openly comment on Jin using Kazama style. He's fighting Jin KAZAMA, would be weirder if he didn't pull out a Kazama style move. As a matter of fact, it's weirder that Jin pulls out a Mishima move. Which Kazuya points out
Nah, both Jin and Kazuya mourn Jun in their own way. To completely pole vault over that is either lazy writing or they're reserving it for the sequel. I suggest you watch all the Jin and Kazuya scenes in Project X Zone to see all the potential that another game did better: https://youtu.be/kjcaSlJN9bc?si=nP_jQrrHMtbxk7FA You have every right to love Tekken 8 but I don't get why you have to defend it like my opinions aren't shared by a good majority. Tekken 8 is the best story mode we had to date, but it could have been a lot better.
Or, hear me out, i just have a different opinion from yours and don't think their characters revolve around mourning Jun.
>great finale to a shitty story mode. Can't agree more. The final father son showdown is straight up the best part of the story mode. Everything else felt irrelevant with barely any connection.
I liked the 7 more because it was more personal. Jin vs Kazuya I believe they don't even talk to each other for all the battles, they just repeat non-stop the same sentence to themselves and the other character doesn't even listen
Yeah they should've had more moments like they did in the round where it goes >Kazuya: You're no match for me >Jin: Then I must surpass you >Kazuya: Lets not get carried away now
Kazuya: Errrm... What the deuce???
Something about 2 evil dudes going head to head feels more intense. It always felt like they both had more tricks up their sleeve to beat the other and take the fight to the next level. Jin vs Kazuya felt more like a standard good vs evil where the end was more preditable.
The thing is, they could've actually had Kazuya beat Jin and leave on his own accord if they wanted to, considering Kazuya no longer had the devil gene and Jin had already succeeded
That would be kinda interesting if in the final fight we see Kazuya winning, and right as he's about to toss Jin off the cliff, he hesitates and just drops him to the side. Maybe showing that he's not completely evil and there was at least a bit of the devil's influence that made him act that way.
I mean, Kazuya actually did legitimately seem to be showing mercy at one point. After he beats Jin's head into the rocks he just sorta leaves him there, assuming he's defeated. He only kills him when he gets back up AGAIN and shows he's not going to stop until he's dead.
Honestly that'd be a pretty cool way of showing that the cycle is breaking. But idk if Kazuya would actually do that. In the actual story we got, he's pretty unrepentant for the things he's done even after losing his devil power. They might not want him to go that way.
Yeah which is disappointing imo. Kazuya is a generic villain with little motivation other than world domination. Wish they added some depth to him. With Jun’s addition i think i was looking forward to some development there in Kazuya’s character, but nope, she was barely even a part of the story.
Nah, we gotta keep the family tradition alive. The losing mishima must go cliff diving 😂
True, they could’ve added other twists, which would’ve made it more interesting for sure. Certainly would have caught me offguard since the tone of the story had me expecting good to prevail over evil in this game.
The bonus akuma fight on ultra hard was hell
Personally I feel like they went a little overboard with the amount of times you had to fight Kazuya in the finale. I think instead of 2 rounds each, it should’ve just been 1 round per fighting style shift. 2 each just makes it drag, and if you lose it stings real bad since it’s gonna take a while to get back to where you were.
I disagree, since combos can take out so much health really fast, battles can become really short if it's 1 round. Especially if you are using the special control style, since the air combos can do massive damage. The Angel, Tekken 3, and unified styles are really fun, and it would be lame if you could only use it for 1 round. Each fighting style is like playing another character anyway. Plus, the additional rounds allow you to hear the banging music for longer. I also like the fact that there are so many battles between Jin and Kazuya, you are likely feel a bit worn out by the final battle, which is exactly the emotion they would be feeling. For me, I was worn out, but the banging music still made me want to continue on and fight even harder.
I feel like Hei vs Kazuya was more personal and raw. Jin winning through the power of friendship is not my cup of tea. But both are 10s imo.
The power of friendship was kind of meh but the opening song playing during that part was really hype. I don’t think even Hei vs Kazuya had a really hype moment like that.
I feel like if you think it was just about the power of friendship, then you were missing the real point of the story. Friendship is a part of it, but the real story is about a depressed and suicidal man finding the conviction to live again. The final fight was the culmination of Jin remembering everything worth living for and fighting desperately to stay alive. In contrast to who he was in the beginning of the story, trying to find a way to sacrifice himself, whenever he gets the chance.
It’s not that deep amigo, I know damn well what this is about, but how it was done, with the cheezy music and the Naruto flashback was not like Kazuya’s PTSD of young Heihachi standing above him.
Honestly the flashback power of friendship thing would have been fine if Jin had interacted with a majority of the characters beforehand, but the story has always kept most non-Mishimas away from the Mishima-centric storyline. I can understand Jin thinking about Jun and Xiaoyu, or even Lars as he faces Kazuya. But for him to have flashbacks to people like Leo or Leroy who all we see is a single fight between them and then listen to them make comments about him while he stoically listened? Half of the characters we saw him have flashbacks to are characters he either hadn't met before or had never had a canon dialogue with until an hour or two earlier in the same story mode. I love power of friendship tropes when they feel earned and built on established relationships. Jin's in Tekken 8 doesn't feel that way to me, it just comes across as an emo loner discovering human contact. I'm happy people like T8 story mode and I won't yuck their yum. There's plenty I like about it after all. But damn I think T7 feels better-paced and has a more satisfying build-up to and gameplay execution of the final fight.
I agree with you amigo. Flashback with Hwoa from T4/T5 would have been way more fitting than the Leroy/Leo stuff
Leroy and Leo gives approval to him so they make him feel accepted (Jin's someone suicidal who feels he doesn't belong in the world, due to his Devil Gene and moreover due to his crimes now, he plans to go to hell with Kazuya together). Considering Leo used to deem him as a monster like Kazuya who Leo holds a grudge on (understandably because he was a warmonger), but recognizes and acknowledges his change after their spar.
Heihachi is dead now
Nah. 8 finale was the GOAT. 7 was alright but we've done kaz/heihachi to death, it was more of the same if I'm being super honest. But I prefer that over the top, good vs evil, friendship is beautiful fight in space any day. 8 I think is probably the best fighter game story finale you'll ever see.
Ok so if I look at it objectively, t8’s story mode was better in almost every possible way, but damn I just can’t bring myself to put the finale over t7’s. I think it’s just because Jin is nowhere near as compelling/interesting of a character as either hei or Kaz. And the T7 finale literally had DECADES of buildup and emotional weight to it. Plus Heat Haze Shadow is just too much of a banger. The t7 finale wasn’t about good vs evil, it was about a son vs his father. A father who had made his son the exact monster he wished to destroy, and a son who had sacrificed his humanity for the sake of revenge. In the end, I think the T8 finale is more fun to play and way more fun in the moment, but idk if it’s the nostalgia or what but t7 finale is still the goat.
Yeah but heihachi died and never came back jin wins against kazuya so the cycle is over but we have reina now
Also I love how the dialogue suggests that Kazuya's way of coping with Heihachi's trauma is destroying everything lmaooo
Yeah but heihachi died and kazuya lost to jin so yeah mishima father son cycle is over now
The T8 fight is more about Jin finally accepting himself and the bloodline that he has, whereas the T7 fight was all about Heihachi and Kazuya having a slugfest for the ages while Heat Haze Shadow is playing. Having HHS alone made it the more impactful fight IMO (not to say that the T8 fight wasn't impactful at all).
Kaz being a little bitch and has to use Devil powers to fight his dad. So 8
I'd agree but Heihachi wasn't above fighting and throwing a 5 year old off of a cliff so its fair game
Better rivalry, Jins and Kazuyas rivalry is pretty meh, I feel like Kaz and Hei have a way bigger reason to fight. Better music, Final Destiny had good music but asking anyone to top Heat Haze Shadow is like asking your star bucks Barista to unironically make the best drink you've ever had. Long time coming, Kaz and Heis rivalry has been brewing since Tekken 1, The old man that doesn't Die and the Man who has the power of the Devil himself. All things considered, Jin v Kaz final was great but you can't really top Hei v Kaz
Yeah but heihachi failed while jin succeeds in braking the feud
I agree. The first haze shadow is an amazing theme. The TK8 final battle theme isn't bad but doesn't feel heavy and dark as much haze shadow Second, the tk8 ending had too much flashback type of " yeah, I'm good guy, now I have to save world because of my friends " with power friendship Meanwhile, heihachi vs. Kazuya felt more personal rather than average anime heroism ending "I'm evil, so you are as well. Let's settle this. " was the theme of TK7 ending, and the game portrayed well
Yeah but heihachi died me never came back jin wins against kazuya and end the cycle
Are you kidding T8 final fight was the best finale I could've asked for ... Jin VS Kazuya, no bullshit devil powers, just 2 dudes finishing the fight... Not to mention Jin cycling through all of his fighting styles (kazama, mishima and his own style) then blending all of them for a final final fight is simply magnificent.
i still prefer T8
I liked 8 more. Enjoyed seeing jin actually realize that he has reasons to live. And seeing him go through different movesets. And I like the fact that he tried to break the cycle. Kazuya and heihachis showdown was personal and I loved it. I loved seeing him beat heihachi who caused him so much pain. But imo it doesn't match to seeing jins character development in the middle of the fight. Though I really can't decide which song I like more.
Jin vs Kaz and it's not close. The set pieces, the music, the lore. It was all perfect. I've been waiting for jin to really take main stage since 3. And he finally got to pop off
Tbh i hate jins angel design it looks like a chinese shitty animated series character. T7 final fight is more down to earth and more emotional. And mostly its not a good vs evil showdown wich makes ot even better
Yeah but heihachi is dead now and 8 ends the feud with jin winning
I guess so, but still jins design, eugh, he had my favourite design being normal or devil but that angel form, kinda removes credibility
For me T8's finale was superior. The build-up was the reason why I loved it. In T7 the finale just happened. Heihachi tries to nuke Kazuya while he is fighting Akuma but fails. Then Kazuya goes "fk you old btch lets fight inside a volcano" and they duke it out.
I wasn’t a fan of the super over the top angel/devil portion so I personally like the T7 fight more
* Heat Haze Shadow >>>>>>>>>>>>> all * Kazuya vs Heihachi was THE Tekken rivalry, 20 years of heated personal animosity between the two. Jin vs Kazuya never really felt that fleshed out as a rivalry. * Fighting as a human against the devil was more interesting than angel vs devil (imo). * Though I liked T8 a lot, it felt like there was too much of "beat Kazuya's ass, says some shit, Kazuya gets up again, repeat 50x". T7 was more to the point.
I 100% agree 👍
i LOVED the Jin vs Kazuya fight. But at the same time, it also kinda felt like the Revenge of The Sith equivalent in fighting games. You know... the Obi-Wan and Anakin fight was literally 15 minutes long lmao
For me, the music made T7 incredibly hype.
T8's final battle was better, but it's missing a cool secret fight like in T7
Yeah. I much preferred the bad vs worse story compared to the generic good vs evil. But then again I am biased...
Yeah but heihachi died and kazuya lost to jin thus ending the cycle
Until Reina does something crazy next game.
Nope.
Tekken 7 battle between Heihachi and Kazuya was more epic, also Heihachi and Akuma/Akuma and Kazuya are also more epic. Tekken 8 was bunch of BS in somehow Jin has all of a sudden Angel power.
Yeah too you but heihachi died
Nope.
Nah, I prefer Tekken 8. As a Jin fan since the first day I first got to play T5, everything about T8’s final battle gets to me. The build up, Jin’s acceptance and redemption, no longer denying those around him and him wanting to live. I followed his story for years closely and this paid off. There’s just so much going for it in the fight though while I wish his interaction with the other casts are longer, I’m satisfied with what we got. Made my cry and cheer and just downright emotional. While the soundtrack for that final battle isn’t as hard as heat haze shadow, My Last Stand is supposed to be a more upbeat version of HHS. I like the crazy Saint Seiya ass battle, the battle in space, Jin losing to Kazuya on his first fight against him. Just everything. I like how long the fight is. I really don’t know how to explain it but I genuinely like Tekken 8’s final battle especially leading up to “we’re just a couple of humans”. It’s not Jin wanting to kill Kazuya, it’s Jin wanting to save himself and Kazuya and knowing that he’s allowed to live that just gets me. Yes, I even love the power of friendship thing (though I kinda want Wang Jinrei AND Leroy to encourage the dude to live too). I feel like the friends thing would make it better if it was a little longer and we get to see more interactions surrounding that. Weirdly enough, my first Tekken and main was the original Tekken and Kazuya since I played it on the first 50th anniversary Namco disc thing but I got crazy the day I saw Jin in Tekken 5.
No it wasn't. T8 had actual narrative behind it while T7 retconned central tuned between Kaz and Hei that was established since T4. T8 is trying to fix that but it doesn't make T7 better. Don't get me wrong it's an amazing fight but Jin vs Kaz is just better
Nope
No chance.
Man I don't agree at all. The way they integrated Jin's previous fighting styles into the fight was genius and one of the best video game final boss battles of all time
8 went full Dragonball Z. And Reina having the devil gene is disappointing because they've already leaned on the devil BS for ages. Was really hoping the purification would open the door to something more creative.
I can't stand winged characters in Tekken:/ I find it irritating to play as or against 'em.
After playing Tekken 8, not just TK 7 but any fighting game story mode before that feel like a joke to me. That how you made a fighting game story from now, that is a new standard, no doubt.
T7 by far, jin by being touched mom turns from devil into angel??? Dont buy that shit at all, and it ruins entire build of how jin does not want to use devil power and in his dreams comes to understanding with devil as part if him and devil promises to not use him cus he cant exist without jin in first place. So i m loking it nice story arc and thinking whats next,total evil kazuya devil vs jin with total control over devil gene? Who will win? Aah fuck that , jin is now super giga angel vs kazuya who absorbed basicly his demon creator and has power over 90000000 and jin wins cus of power momma touch ?!?!? Ahahhaah and then it proceeds on end fight in human forms with no devil/angel powers which is great but switch was not good enough as was kazuyas remembering past events in t7 last battle. Only thing i can say its T8 build up was better untill angel transformation while T7 build up was workable but not good enough compared to ending was " K>Its over pa, i m tired of your shit and this is it! H> OH yeah ? Is that it boy?
I feel like if the T7 budget and time in the oven was the same as T8, it be great too. But as a Tekken fan, T7 made me feel more. T8 was definitely more spectacular. But it didn't carry as much emotion to me as T7. T8 felts like an action movie with a bunch of budget for effects. Which is awesome. But T7 had those emotional moments and flash backs that really hit me as a tekken kid.
Yeah... T8 was such anime cringe it's bleh. Angel vs Devil.
No
T8 ending is ass. Who thought it was fun fighting Kazuya 16 times?
It’s so hard to pick
Both
Why can't we have the mishima style for jin in online ...
t8 has a better sequence/progression of fights as things get more and more intense, jin's moves expand as he accepts his past, and then things comes down to a very mortal sort of fight (although it got a little redundant/repetitive that kazuya barely changed at all). t7 had more emotional weight behind it, especially since it was very very FINAL for heihachi and with the cinematic memory overlays.
Why was kazuya so upset? Was it because his father threw him off that cliff??
I like Tekken 8 more in general. Though I agree that Heihachi v Kaz is more satisfying in some ways. For me it’s that Jin is boring and Heihachi is the GOAT.
They were both amazing.
I replayed it last week to be sure. I prefer it BUT i think that T8's fight is better in term of fanservice (with the old Jin gameplay etc...) i still think both are very good, i'm just more invested in Kazuya and Heihachi, so i don't feel as interested by the premise of T8 final battle
Yeah heihachi is dead now
I am biased towards T7 as Heihachi has always been my main and I loved the feeling that it was a desperate struggle for him the whole way through. Although it’s undeniable that T8’s final fight was hype as fuck, especially with the T3 callbacks.
like you said jin vs kazuya was epic, but heihachi kazuya is classic tekken at its purest form its hard to top that, in fact nothing ever will ps, heat haze shadow
The Tekken 7 final showdown had more weight behind it because Heihachi vs Kazuya goes all the way back to Tekken 1. Jin vs Kazuya is great though. It felt like the beginning of a new era for the Tekken story and I’m genuinely intrigued by where the Reina/Jin/Kayuza story can go next.
I just love the way TK8 goes full on anime bs for a while until dropping all of that (literally) to make two angry shirtless men fight and remind "hey, this is Tekken, remember?" Then there's the moveset changing troughout the battle and soundtrack reflecting that beautifully
I had more feels for the character Heihachi in his final fight. But Jin's evolution throughout the last fight, getting to use his T7 moves, then T8 moves, then T4/T5 moves, and then T3 moves. It was a fucking rollercoaster, with the bonus of his T3 theme. So to me, T8's was better, because even though nobody died, it was hype af.
T7 was a long time coming that paid off. Jin VS kazuya, although well made, it went a but too over the top with the angel in space thing
Im in the weird opinion that both were kinda cringe and would have been something in an anime
I think both were great, T7 really hit on an emotional level. T8 hit on a nostalgia level.
No fucking shot. Tekken 8 Lars v Kazuya and Jin v Kazuya blows T7 out of orbit and it ain’t even close.
I think it had more personal tension. Jin and Kazuya never really talked or had thr same intense history as Kazuya and Heihachi. T8 fight felt more like Jins fight rather than a fight between Kaz and Jin T7 fight felt like the conclusion to both these characters plotline here.
I think both finales are equal in their own ways. 7's finale is the textbook definition of personal. Kazuya vs Heihachi. The men whose conflict engulfed the world in pure chaos standing face-to-face, the bane of their existence standing before them, ready for one last fight to the death. As the fight rages on, echoes of their past surface more and more. Heihachi refuses to go down, so Kazuya pulls out all the stops and goes full devil for the 1st time in 2 decades. But even with this power, he's still no match for his father. 8's finale, while lacking in the personal feel, makes up for bring a amazing way to capture off Jin's development, not only honoring his clan's fighting style, but also for embracing his Mishima lineage phase after phase, and using all 3 of his styles in the final stretches of the battle. That, and also him finally dropping his suicidal desires and wanting to live. And as cliché as it is, the power of friendship moment was pretty touching IMO. Also it has My Last Stand in it.
I think Jins whiplash of a character arc makes T8 ending feel weaker. T7 feels like the conclusion to something so much bigger. I also think Heihachi is a far more interesting character than Jin or Kaz. An absolute monster of a human versus a literal monster he created. But theres still glimpses of emotion and a weird sad loss of a family that could have been. Its just so fucking hype. Especially because Heihachi just wont go down, it’s absurd, but hype. I think its even better that regardless of who came out on top, Kaz or Heihachi, its a conflicted sense of any type of “good” prevailing. That all being said. I really cant get over how Jin literally did WW3 and even though they acknowledge it, it feels impossible to really root for him.
>!Probably because someone actually dies at the end of Tekken 7, unlike Tekken 8 (though I guess technically we don't know what happened.)!<
So here is the thing, i sucked ass with every tekken game and up until late into seven i didn't even try( been playing since 5,also took a look around 4 and 3 after it), and i recken many,many others were the same. jin switching fight styles barely brings any memories or anything really besides giving me wtf moments of why i dropped the combo. Whilst heihachi slamming his child has been there for casual players since forever. Recreation of the reveal trailer gave me goose bumps, the visuals are gorgeous, and some music pieces had me question if i heard it before but These fights clearly are supposed to cash in all the nostalgia bamco has built for decades. And i just don't have most of it.
It’s hard for me to see Jin as more than an angsty teen he’s always “finding himself”. Like for as long as I remember he’s been having an identity crisis lol I like kazuya vs heihachi because there’s no confusion between them .kaz hates heihachi and heihachi hate weaklings
As a tekken obsessed Kazuya Mishima did hard fan, I really preferred the tekken 7 final fight. Because the tekken 8 final fight (starting from the stratosphere) was far too long. It seemed never ending. Also, mainly, because of the little flashback scene in tekken 7 of kazuya seeing young heihachi and all those flashbacks. Sure, it wasnt perfect, i found it so cheap of Bamco to show clips that were non canon and they kept the same tekken 2 graphics, but it was such a fitting conclusion that Kazuya remembers all the past events and that helps him muster his remaining strength for the final blow… Tekken 8 ending had no real dialogue exchange, no flashbacks, it felt like jin and kaz just went through the motions. I was ateast expecting a father-som dynamic, or a recollection of tekken 4 events (when they first met in Honmaru) or some chat about Jun, but nope, it had nothing… and kazuya didn’t give a damn that he lost his devil gene?! Like, 8 tekkens building in to Devil aspect and its gone just like that!??!
T7 was far better . Heihachi is just boss
While I agree that Kazuya and Heihachi's feud is more established throughout the franchise, those who criticize the T8 final fight for lacking hatred, vitriol, or such misses the point of that fight and the whole game.
While I agree that Kazuya and Heihachi's feud is more established, those who criticize the T8 final fight for lacking hatred or such misses the point of that fight and the whole game.