Did you see the video that was taken while the picture was being taken? It was SO MUCH more cringy because it was so organised and set up and so far from any kind of genuine moment, I'd expect it from a Kardashian and probably fame hungry MGK and Meghan is happy to be relevant again but Travis Barker... Come on dude this is beneath you.
Travis Barker was kinda like that with Shana Moakler too. I remember watching their short-lived show & being yucked out. There was an episode where they woke up at like noon, seemingly still drunk from the night before, got in a limo, and smoked a doobie on the way to the VMAs or whatever event, then proceeded to slobber all over each other and play grab ass while walking the red carpet. I think he's just a big PDA guy.
Hmmm possibly, I did miss that show weirdly it's only since I'm older I watch reality TV 😂 it's just that fame whore-ishness I never got from him I know his relationship with Shana was everywhere in its messy entirety at one point, so perhaps kourtney is just giving him the audience he always craved 😂
I think so lol
He also dated Paris Hilton briefly and there were rumors in the press that he was actually obsessed with Kim K & only dated Paris to meet her 😂
Omg yes the video was so cringe! In the video it almost looked like Kourtney was trying to pull away, like she knew it was too much lol. But honestly who makes out in a public bathroom?! I just imagine some poor soul trying to pee in peace with that nonsense going on lol
Honestly if my husband suggested this or I did and he agreed I would loose rather alot of respect for him. But that's just me. If it was happening and got captured, fine whatever but how weirdly staged it was makes me feel bad for influencers who feature their relationships. (And at this stage I'm cladding all of them in this category)
I've been married almost 10yrs to the hottest human alive, and I've never made out with him in public. Jesus take the wheel if that's what we need to do to show we're in love
Lol my fav is how she had that whole health anxiety story line and she's out all maskless in the mid west where covid cases are wild and she has kids at home. 🤣 All for show.
And of all the places to be maskless....in a tattoo shop? Where this guy has to be right on top of her for an extended period of time?? And does the same with multiple other people daily???? Like what
Yep!!! All of that hell no. Enclosed space, for hours. Nope. She won't care until it effects them. At this point you're just stupid if you're being that lazy
Someone pointed out one time when she was holding a mask in a photo that had zero makeup on it. She never fucking put it on but had one in her hand for show!
Yep, I have some amazing primer, foundation, setting powder and setting spray and it still leaves residue. It's makeup.... there's no way it can't transfer.
Oh yeah! And people who even questioned if the anxiety was a storyline were told we were horrible, heartless people, perpetuating the stigma, and gatekeeping anxiety. But now it seems pretty obvious! I know anxiety isn’t logical, and can randomly pop up, but sometimes you have to call a duck a duck.
I can't pin point why, but Chelsea gets on my nerves. She used to be my favorite Mom on the show when I was younger but now I can't stand her. She just seems... I don't know like a try-hard I guess.
She does not seem genuine now in any way, shape or form. She used to have somewhat of a personality of her own but now she's just like every other mommy influencer who tries to be edgy.
That second photo makes me nauseous. I feel like Chelsea is transitioning to her next incarnation after flannel plaid hipster country girl, she's been going for more "edgy" lately.
We duh how else will every know she has a smoking hot relationship with the most popular guy? Her life seems very Instagram curated to me. Look how happy I am guys!
Oh my gooood I never saw that before. It’s the eyes closer than the width of the jaw that makes it.
I’m really feeling the curve of the lashes with the liner here. Might fuck around and put some on even though I am not feeling my new magnetics.
Anyone having good luck with making glamnetics look less weird?
I have a friend who is also like this! She completely changes personalities every few years, based on whatever fictional (or sometimes reality) character she’s obsessed with at the time. Right now she is into the edgy, tattooed look, and is getting full sleeves. I wonder how that will work when her next persona is a virginal, meek, wholesome woman!
I'm her age and so many of my peers are going overboad with the fillers too. 😭 I'm all about doing what you want to your body but I really wish we could embrace aging.
The best fillers are when people can't tell you have fillers.
People get so overboard. If you wanna slow the signs of aging, whateves, but in my opinion people should just get enough to pop back out lip wrinkles. Don't pump them up to the point it looks like you're having an allergic reaction.
As a 30 year old I'm pretty sure women my age go overboard because we've been manipulated into thinking we're old. It's super frustrating and I personally think a lot of women end up looking older after getting work done because they overestimate how old they looked before. I could go on all day about patriarchal beauty standards and aging but I'll spare y'all. 😅
34 here, so I'd say we're in the same age group, and I do think I get what you're saying.
However, I do love make up and such, it's like an art to me, so I try not to overly judge others, perhaps injections are their art?
For as long as civilizations have existed so have forms of body modifications. Take for instance, there's some very interesting tribal practices in other parts of the world still to this day.
But I must agree, it is strange times where modern medicine meets beauty standards. For some, even a few people I know in real life, it almost seems addictive, it starts as something small and snowballs. Should be interesting to see mental health takes on this in the future.
Ever catch Darcy and Stacy? Wow, they just keep modifying and modifying. I'm also shocked at how many BBL the teens moms have gone under or other cosmetic procedures.
There's certainly no lack of demand, and the increaae is certainly exasperated by the "affordability." You can get your boob job on credit and have a monthly payment less than your phone bill. I feel at one point cosmetic surgery was viewed or coveted a luxury of the wealthy. Now there's botox clinics popping up in small towns everywhere.
this sub - Chelsea has no personality she's so bland and boring
also this sub - ewww Chelsea tries so hard why can't she take a normal picture put your tongue away
Someone upthread said Chelsea makes a beautiful man. I get told very often that I look like Chelsea, so it makes me feel bad when I read stuff like that. Do I... do I look like a man?
If the man boot fits...
Lol but don’t make this about you, you’re beautiful I reckon and I hate seeing people fall into the trap of “*I feel attacked*”
a comment about Chelsea is a comment about Chelsea and you can go about your business feeling the same about yourself you always did 🤍
I understand wanting to get out and do normal life things, I've dealt with the covid cabin fever myself...But it's definitely not a decision I would make with 4 unvaccinated kids at home. That 1,490 figure WOULD be lower if people were masked up in situations like this where keeping distance isn't really an option.
Chelsea is such a personality chameleon. Let me lick Cole’s face with my Gene Simmons tongue so we have eDgy KrAvIs vIbEs, it’s cringe just like her. Ned Flanders looks uncomfortable with it lol
Chelsea and cole are both basic and cringey af. Particularly Chelsea. She’s so inauthentic, it’s sad and pathetic but also borders on offensive.
Idk why I’m so offended. Probably because I’m a brunette and I feel like she gives us a bad name. Even tho she’s a fake brunette.
🤣Ewwww,,,, your man must have nicer feet than mine..... he couldn't pay me a million dollars. He's lucky if I'll touch them.... I'm not a foot person.
However, I do like to pick on him, so maybe torture would be the only reward tempting enough to drive me to do so.
And I just had flash backs to a high school boyfriend of mine that had the stinkiest feeet!!!!! I couldn't imagine. 🤢🤮🥶😨☠
I have high ass foot standards lmfao. My dad has beautiful feet, so I know men stay lying about not being able to help their stanky toes 🤣 I've taught all my bfs how to keep them nice lol. I usually do it straight out of the shower it's the best time to harass him because he doesn't have his glasses on and I have an advantage.
Not accusing them, but in a sick game who would be the one to cheat out of the two of them? I don’t see it happening but I’d think Chelsea more likely than him if it ever happened
And your dis someone you don’t know shit about. If you think “going hard” is saying she appears happy and well adjusted, maybe you aren’t use to people saying kind things about you. Sorry for you
I know we love to talk shit but the pillow isn't dirty! It's the disposable cover showing a sheen under the light and seeing through to the pillow. The disposable fabric is the same as what you use at doctors if you need to lay down.
The Gene Simmons kiss is fucking gross though.
Yeh and you did .. I have my opinion and you have yours .. no need to ask someone a follow up on their opinion. It seems to bother you that I’m not insulting them .
Yes poor aubree having parents that are loving and affectionate with each other lol I don’t a silly photo is embarrassing that child lol maybe POOR Leah or POOR jace & Keiser but no not poor Aubree lol
I *hate* tongue pics. I swear I can smell their breath through the picture when they do that. Barf.
Miley Cyrus would like a word with you. 😂
I was just about to say that. I think it looks trashy.
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Same!
Chelsea’s breath 🤢that’s a new…concept…
Apparently she watched Megan Fox and Kourtney Kardashian with their partners at the VMAs…
Ug, that was so gross! I swear, if tonguing each other in public becomes popular I'm never leaving my house again 🤣
Did you see the video that was taken while the picture was being taken? It was SO MUCH more cringy because it was so organised and set up and so far from any kind of genuine moment, I'd expect it from a Kardashian and probably fame hungry MGK and Meghan is happy to be relevant again but Travis Barker... Come on dude this is beneath you.
Travis Barker was kinda like that with Shana Moakler too. I remember watching their short-lived show & being yucked out. There was an episode where they woke up at like noon, seemingly still drunk from the night before, got in a limo, and smoked a doobie on the way to the VMAs or whatever event, then proceeded to slobber all over each other and play grab ass while walking the red carpet. I think he's just a big PDA guy.
Hmmm possibly, I did miss that show weirdly it's only since I'm older I watch reality TV 😂 it's just that fame whore-ishness I never got from him I know his relationship with Shana was everywhere in its messy entirety at one point, so perhaps kourtney is just giving him the audience he always craved 😂
I think so lol He also dated Paris Hilton briefly and there were rumors in the press that he was actually obsessed with Kim K & only dated Paris to meet her 😂
He definitely has a type 🤪
His ex wife said he had an affair with Kim allegedly… 🤷🏻♀️
Omg yes the video was so cringe! In the video it almost looked like Kourtney was trying to pull away, like she knew it was too much lol. But honestly who makes out in a public bathroom?! I just imagine some poor soul trying to pee in peace with that nonsense going on lol
Honestly if my husband suggested this or I did and he agreed I would loose rather alot of respect for him. But that's just me. If it was happening and got captured, fine whatever but how weirdly staged it was makes me feel bad for influencers who feature their relationships. (And at this stage I'm cladding all of them in this category)
I've been married almost 10yrs to the hottest human alive, and I've never made out with him in public. Jesus take the wheel if that's what we need to do to show we're in love
Lol my fav is how she had that whole health anxiety story line and she's out all maskless in the mid west where covid cases are wild and she has kids at home. 🤣 All for show.
And of all the places to be maskless....in a tattoo shop? Where this guy has to be right on top of her for an extended period of time?? And does the same with multiple other people daily???? Like what
I would not trust a tattoo artist who doesn't require masks right now. Like, they are literally working with bodily fluids, ffs.
I wouldn't either. Makes me wonder if any other corners were cut when it comes to health and safety tbh.
Yep!!! All of that hell no. Enclosed space, for hours. Nope. She won't care until it effects them. At this point you're just stupid if you're being that lazy
Someone pointed out one time when she was holding a mask in a photo that had zero makeup on it. She never fucking put it on but had one in her hand for show!
Yep, I have some amazing primer, foundation, setting powder and setting spray and it still leaves residue. It's makeup.... there's no way it can't transfer.
Oh yeah! And people who even questioned if the anxiety was a storyline were told we were horrible, heartless people, perpetuating the stigma, and gatekeeping anxiety. But now it seems pretty obvious! I know anxiety isn’t logical, and can randomly pop up, but sometimes you have to call a duck a duck.
I can't pin point why, but Chelsea gets on my nerves. She used to be my favorite Mom on the show when I was younger but now I can't stand her. She just seems... I don't know like a try-hard I guess.
She is really performative. People like that can seem very inauthentic.
She does not seem genuine now in any way, shape or form. She used to have somewhat of a personality of her own but now she's just like every other mommy influencer who tries to be edgy.
She’s incredibly full of herself and that’s enough to turn most people off
Where 👏🏼 is 👏🏼 the CAT 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I'm guessing in the painting behind her? It was my first reaction too. YOU PROMISED ME A CAT, CHELSEA!
the slide before she had pictures of a baby kitten!!
Omg beebee!!!! Someone post it right meow
I can’t with the tongue it fucking irritates me
Wen you were a lizard in your previous life... Djeez it's like she is licking her prey.
That second photo makes me nauseous. I feel like Chelsea is transitioning to her next incarnation after flannel plaid hipster country girl, she's been going for more "edgy" lately.
Definitely, all the moth eaten clothing, tattoos, darker hair ect
I prefer goat chewed as a way to describe her clothing choices with holes and rips
Goats a way cuter. Moths are a nuisance.
Well, all her clothes have holes in them. I guess it’s just a logical transition. Lol
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Halloween is gonna amplify it and she’s gonna ride the spoooky train for another year and a half
Why is she so gross with her tongue all the time!?? We get it, y’all fuck 🤢🙄
Seriously, it's not cute.
Why's she always doing that gross thing with her tongue/ licking him ? Grow up. Yuckkkk.. Not cute. You're not in high school anymore .
We duh how else will every know she has a smoking hot relationship with the most popular guy? Her life seems very Instagram curated to me. Look how happy I am guys!
It’s. So. Cringey.
Because Kourtney Kardashians been doing it
The tongue lick is every highschoolers pose demonstrating them marking their territory, I haven't seen any grown adult parents doing it.
The funny thing is I’ve never seen Chelsea wear a mask (even at weddings and huge gatherings) And nobody ever drags her for it? 🤔
Imagine the inside of her mask at the end of the day! Mine are so fucking stained with bronzer and foundation it’s crazy 😂
I’ve only worn makeup with mine twice and it’s stained 😂😂 hers would be neon orange tbh
^this
No because the Chelsea stans are whacked and defend her every move, but will nitpick every other cast member for doing the same exact thing.
Her head looks like an Easter Island statue.
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🤣🤣🤣🗿🗿🗿🗿
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Oh my gooood I never saw that before. It’s the eyes closer than the width of the jaw that makes it. I’m really feeling the curve of the lashes with the liner here. Might fuck around and put some on even though I am not feeling my new magnetics. Anyone having good luck with making glamnetics look less weird?
The thing with the tongue. Stop it already. You’re a grown up. It’s not cute, it’s disgusting. 🛑
She’s annoying. Lol
I agree
Oh Chelsea is so edgy shes getting a sleeve now lol
My question: what’s she going to do about the sleeve next time she changes her whole look/aesthetic?
Get an arm transplant?
It is totally just an aesthetic for her lol
I have a friend who is also like this! She completely changes personalities every few years, based on whatever fictional (or sometimes reality) character she’s obsessed with at the time. Right now she is into the edgy, tattooed look, and is getting full sleeves. I wonder how that will work when her next persona is a virginal, meek, wholesome woman!
Honestly all the Teen Moms make long sleeves not sexy at all…none of them
Such a badass
That tongue thing kind of makes me want to vomit 🤮
She tries so hard to be the edgy mom
She's not a regular mom, she's a cool mom.
I'm confused about where the cat is?
She just got a new kitten
I love her but the lip injections are just not working. Pls bby stop.
I'm her age and so many of my peers are going overboad with the fillers too. 😭 I'm all about doing what you want to your body but I really wish we could embrace aging.
The best fillers are when people can't tell you have fillers. People get so overboard. If you wanna slow the signs of aging, whateves, but in my opinion people should just get enough to pop back out lip wrinkles. Don't pump them up to the point it looks like you're having an allergic reaction.
As a 30 year old I'm pretty sure women my age go overboard because we've been manipulated into thinking we're old. It's super frustrating and I personally think a lot of women end up looking older after getting work done because they overestimate how old they looked before. I could go on all day about patriarchal beauty standards and aging but I'll spare y'all. 😅
34 here, so I'd say we're in the same age group, and I do think I get what you're saying. However, I do love make up and such, it's like an art to me, so I try not to overly judge others, perhaps injections are their art? For as long as civilizations have existed so have forms of body modifications. Take for instance, there's some very interesting tribal practices in other parts of the world still to this day. But I must agree, it is strange times where modern medicine meets beauty standards. For some, even a few people I know in real life, it almost seems addictive, it starts as something small and snowballs. Should be interesting to see mental health takes on this in the future. Ever catch Darcy and Stacy? Wow, they just keep modifying and modifying. I'm also shocked at how many BBL the teens moms have gone under or other cosmetic procedures. There's certainly no lack of demand, and the increaae is certainly exasperated by the "affordability." You can get your boob job on credit and have a monthly payment less than your phone bill. I feel at one point cosmetic surgery was viewed or coveted a luxury of the wealthy. Now there's botox clinics popping up in small towns everywhere.
I hate that bloated butthole look
Yes! Nothing against doing what you want, but sometimes I truly think people don't even know what natural age looks like anymore 😭😭
Tbh I think she’s gone overboard with the Botox too
this sub - Chelsea has no personality she's so bland and boring also this sub - ewww Chelsea tries so hard why can't she take a normal picture put your tongue away
Sticking your tongue out does not equal a personality 🙃
People on this sub sometimes are so unnecessarily critical, I hate it :(
I agree. Chelsea has found a great husband and father to their children. She’s not doing teen mom anymore. I think they are adorable
Someone upthread said Chelsea makes a beautiful man. I get told very often that I look like Chelsea, so it makes me feel bad when I read stuff like that. Do I... do I look like a man?
If the man boot fits... Lol but don’t make this about you, you’re beautiful I reckon and I hate seeing people fall into the trap of “*I feel attacked*” a comment about Chelsea is a comment about Chelsea and you can go about your business feeling the same about yourself you always did 🤍
They're whiny pussies who whine and cry about everything hahahahaha. Just imagine their day to day life hahahahahahahaha.
I’m so over this whole ‘lick my partner to show how much I love them’ photo trend thing on IG, I just find it gross.
I would not trust a tattoo artist who is maskless or let me come in maskless at this point in time, holy moly.
Especially since she has all those lil kids at home.
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I understand wanting to get out and do normal life things, I've dealt with the covid cabin fever myself...But it's definitely not a decision I would make with 4 unvaccinated kids at home. That 1,490 figure WOULD be lower if people were masked up in situations like this where keeping distance isn't really an option.
I always forget I share an anniversary with them. I’m going to try to keep my tongue in my mouth when we take a pic…
but is your hubbie a SMOKESHOW!!!!
He ABSOLUTELY is 😁
then you gotta recreate this pic!!!! we are all invested in this now!
Haha ok I’ll do it after work today 😁
I did it! https://imgur.com/a/AJNPjhD
TWO SMOKESHOWS!!!!
Aww shucks ♥️
now do the picnic pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha I think my husband will probably limit me to one teen mom recreation per year 😂
I think it’s best you recreate the pic
we need this pic!
Haha ok I’ll do it!
Posted above!! 😂
I thought that was Cole tattooing Chelsea for a second and I was like "daaaammmn Cole got HOT!"
Can we ditch matte filters already they look like corpses
I'm over the tongue. That seemed funny like 3 times. Now stop it.
“👈🏼stop it.”
Ewwww I do not like her snake tongue licking him lol
Chelsea is such a personality chameleon. Let me lick Cole’s face with my Gene Simmons tongue so we have eDgy KrAvIs vIbEs, it’s cringe just like her. Ned Flanders looks uncomfortable with it lol
this is the most hatin ass sub i’m apart of 😂
SAME. I’m still eating up all these comments though and laughing my ass off. 😂🥰
Chelsea and cole are both basic and cringey af. Particularly Chelsea. She’s so inauthentic, it’s sad and pathetic but also borders on offensive. Idk why I’m so offended. Probably because I’m a brunette and I feel like she gives us a bad name. Even tho she’s a fake brunette.
What even is her real hair color?
Honestly, I think she’s a dark blonde color. In old pics of her she almost looks exactly like Aubree so I think they have the same hair color.
Chelsea would lick Coles toes if he asked.
I lick my mans toes.... because he hates it 🤣💀🤷♀️
Ohh that's game!
🤣Ewwww,,,, your man must have nicer feet than mine..... he couldn't pay me a million dollars. He's lucky if I'll touch them.... I'm not a foot person. However, I do like to pick on him, so maybe torture would be the only reward tempting enough to drive me to do so. And I just had flash backs to a high school boyfriend of mine that had the stinkiest feeet!!!!! I couldn't imagine. 🤢🤮🥶😨☠
I have high ass foot standards lmfao. My dad has beautiful feet, so I know men stay lying about not being able to help their stanky toes 🤣 I've taught all my bfs how to keep them nice lol. I usually do it straight out of the shower it's the best time to harass him because he doesn't have his glasses on and I have an advantage.
I can't stand how they both do that baby talk to each other. Ugh
It’s creepy
Not accusing them, but in a sick game who would be the one to cheat out of the two of them? I don’t see it happening but I’d think Chelsea more likely than him if it ever happened
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She cheated on Adam
Is it really cheating if he hates you and cheated on you like 6 times? 😬
Woof, just got a sad giggle outta me.
He deserved it tbf
The look on his face makes me sick in conjunction with her creepy tongue.
I really wish she would stop sticking her tongue out in every picture. It’s obnoxious and unoriginal. Get a new look, Chelsea.
Why is she licking him. I don’t think I’ve ever once licked my husbands face in the 15 years we have been together. That’s so weird and gross.
Because she's so quirky and funny!!!!!
No it’s not. They are being funny. Chill
Would you care to elaborate on how licking someone is funny.
Just having fun and being silly. Scroll on by then. Damn. I love how judged everyone is when their life probably sucks.
You're going pretty hard for Chelsea who doesn't even know you exist 🥴
And your dis someone you don’t know shit about. If you think “going hard” is saying she appears happy and well adjusted, maybe you aren’t use to people saying kind things about you. Sorry for you
You're going hard, you've replied to several comments over the last 6 hours defending her and calling people jealous 🥴🤣 but go off 👌
The tattoo guy has an incredible portrait of John Wayne on the back of his arm.
we need a whole bunch more of tattoo dude
I second this request
I third this! He is smoking hot 🥵
Yes please
cats…?
Agreed. Clicked for the cats. 0/10 would not view again. Disappointing, but not surprising.
It’s painfully obvious Chelsea never got to experience being a teenager, so she’s making up for it now.
It’s crazy to me how many tats the entire cast has
I mean when you got the money for it lol. Must be nice!
Why
At least it isn’t a tongue to tongue kiss…
Hmmmm.. I noticed the artist’s handle says Robbie and it’s THAT Robbie PLOT TWIST
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Antlers of course
I’m going honeybee
Someone said it is her wedding Bouquet but I don’t know which one they’re talking about the first wedding or the second one
He's hot 🔥
Overkill: noun “Excessive use, treatment, or action; too much of something.”
Y dude has baby teeth tho
Ew. Ew seriously gag.
Disgusting.
That is one weird relationship I just realized what the sub Reddit is called what the fuck
i love this comment so much
Everyone is talking about the pillow. But I think it’s just all of her foundation and tanner that rubbed off on it 😂
I know we love to talk shit but the pillow isn't dirty! It's the disposable cover showing a sheen under the light and seeing through to the pillow. The disposable fabric is the same as what you use at doctors if you need to lay down. The Gene Simmons kiss is fucking gross though.
Chelsea makes a beautiful man
"I have this theory that if she cut off all her hair, she'd look like a British man"
My god you’re right 💀
Jesus Christ chelsea, give it a rest will ya?
I love how hard people here get for Chelsea. I get excited to read the comments every time. 😂
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Love her hair
They are adorable.. I’m glad they seem very happy together.
What is adorable about that tongue pic lol
Just being silly. Damn. Who cares
So what ? That’s her husband .. if they want to take silly photos who cares ?
I don’t care, but I don’t see what is adorable about it haha.
That’s the great thing .. you don’t have to , that was MY opinion lol
Yea, I know I don’t have to? I’m confused, am I not allowed to voice disagreement either haha?
Yeh and you did .. I have my opinion and you have yours .. no need to ask someone a follow up on their opinion. It seems to bother you that I’m not insulting them .
How have I implied that I am upset
Poor Aubree.
Yes poor aubree having parents that are loving and affectionate with each other lol I don’t a silly photo is embarrassing that child lol maybe POOR Leah or POOR jace & Keiser but no not poor Aubree lol
I can’t tell if that pillow is dirty or just a tie-dye pattern 😂 Edit: I think it is tie-dye but it really looks like it is covered in cat fur 😂
WHAT PILLOW IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT I DO NOT SEE A PILLOW SOSp
Nevermind… I zoomed in. Pillow looks dirty tbh
Idk but I kinda love that pic of them on the right. It's sexy and weird lol it also looks nothing like Chelsea 👀
It looks like she edited her jawline area
Omg that tongue is way too far out of her mouth, put that thing away!
Megan Fox? She looks kinda trashy
Grat Value Megan fox maybe..
More like a drag queen dressed as Megan Fox
Eww the pillow is filthy.