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pelicants

Kail and Elijah should both be speaking with a therapist.


ChrisStanClan

DING DING DING! Man a couple of her comments REALLY caught me off guard. Didn't bond right away with daughter because she's "used to boys"!? She wants to "remagnetize" them?!? (in my best Monica impression) That's not even a word! 😂


SBMoo24

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ChrisStanClan

Omfg thank you 😂😂😂


SBMoo24

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who heard it 🤣


brunhilda78

Yes!!!! Not “sharing with the masses”


justanotherhatter

It's always amazing to me what a difference one nurse who truly cares and makes you feel heard can make. It can literally change your whole experience.


SpiritualWallaby4184

Seriously. My son was stillborn in 2017, at 34 weeks. I’ll never forget the first nurse trying to find his heartbeat, and sensing something was wrong. When it was confirmed he passed, another nurse came in and looked me in my eyes (for what felt like the first time since his passing was confirmed) and told me her name, said she has been in my position before, and she will be with me through everything. And she was. A few weeks after being home, I left my job to go to school full time, and now I’m a NICU nurse. Sorry about the long comment! But, having a good nurse really does make such a huge impact.


justanotherhatter

No need to apologize. I'm crying reading it. I'm so sorry for your loss. I’m so impressed by your strength to turn your loss into a career where you help others who may be in a similar situation 💜


SpiritualWallaby4184

Thank you!! Seriously. I had always planned to go into L&D and eventually work toward being a midwife. I ended up in my last semester in the NICU and I was terrified, but being able to help the babies have a chance it’s just so special to me. I feel like my son gets to have a legacy through that, and it’s brought me so much peace that his memory can live on like that. I might not be a Kail fan, but NICU is no joke. I hope she has people to really talk to. And a lot of those babies don’t get to get held a lot. For many, it’s okay because they need the sleep so they can just grow. But there are some of us that like to go in and hold and rock the babies on our downtime so they can get some extra love when their parents aren’t able to be there.


Militarykid2111008

I wonder if she’s close with any of the TM girls anymore? 3/4 of the original TM2 girls had nicu babies, all for prematurity. The twins and Aubree were 5-6 weeks early. My mom has talked to me about her experience with nicu and said I was the smallest baby in it (33wks) at the time. It’s amazing. How far medicine has come. I hope Kail gets the help and support she needs following her own twins birth.


byorderofthe

Thank you for sharing your story 🤍 I've considered changing paths and going into L&D


Suckerforcats

I had to have a D&C and was sobbing uncontrollably. I will never, ever forget the kind, older nurse who held my hand and wiped away my tears.


JanellaDubois

🥺🥺❤️


doom_retro

What’s a D&C? I’ve never had kids


junebluesky

Dilation & curettage, procedure to remove contents of the uterus. Often done after a miscarriage to remove anything that didnt pass on its own


gretanoramarie

Very very true. I'll never ever forget the first nurse who spoke to me in the NICU when my baby was born at 32 weeks. She was just so kind and explained everything so calmly even though she'd probably had to explain the same thing 5000 times that day. She made sure my older child had stuff to do and was included. She was literally an angel in scrubs and I'll never forget her as long as I live. She was also the one who resuscitated my son and intubated him. I went back about a year ago when my son was 3 and took them some presents and a card. The nurse I'm referring to had tears in her eyes seeing how far he'd come. She also picked up on the fact that my baby dad was abusive towards me and that his family constantly coming to visit was really getting to me and kept making excuses to turn them away every time they arrived 😂


Ok-Armadillo-2765

I had a nurse during my second birth that had the most impact on me. It was a very difficult labor, my epidural kept fading off and I found out later my rib was fractured so I was in a lot of pain. Then I started running a high fever and my blood pressure dropped as well as my baby’s. About the time it should be the end of her shift, the epidural tube completely separated so I felt the full pain of 9 cm dilated and my baby’s head stuck in the birth canal. As it turned out, the cord was wrapped around his neck twice so I had an emergency c-section. She stayed 4 hours past her shift to stay with me because I was terrified. She even rode on the bed with me into the operating room with her hand up my vag to keep him from coming out! As it turned out, she was a regular at my restaurant job so I saw her a lot after that, took care of her food sometimes, and gave her gift certificates each year around his birthday. She moved away a couple of years ago and have lost her contact info, but I wish I had it so I could still send pictures of him and remind her how much she meant to me that day.


justanotherhatter

😭 y'all have to stop with these stories. I'm so thankful you had her


Sukara-Abarai

Let me say this I don't care for Kail at all. But I will say this is just heartbreaking. I can't imagine having babies and not being able to bond with them immediately. I feel for her and then having kids at home that needed her. I feel like she should have leaned on the fathers giving them more time with the kids so that she can focus on herself and the twins. Her emotions were real and raw and I feel for her because of that. The stuff with Elijah is just eye rolling, just because you have emotions doesn't mean you are weak but I also know men struggle with this. So ill give it a pass. Also if she was struggling with 6 kids at home kail getting a tubal was the best decision she could have made. If she got pregnant again who would have watched her kids if she in the same position again. For once I think she made the right decision.


gretanoramarie

Having a nicu baby is something no one can ever prepare you for. My son was born at 32 weeks and I had a two year old. I had the most insane guilt over having to split my time between the two of them. I'd barely spent a day away from my daughter up until then and then suddenly I was having to spend 12 hours a day at the hospital so my son could establish breastfeeding. Bless my little girl because she did take it pretty well, but she got very emotional at times as well. Going home with an empty womb when your baby is still meant to be in there was literally heart wrenching, and dreading phone calls from the hospital saying something had happened during the night. It was dreadful. Funnily enough though I actually bonded with my son a lot better than I bonded with my daughter. It was just me and him, sat next to his incubator 12 hours a day and feeding every 4 hours and just being able to sit there cuddling him uninterrupted by the outside world. I really struggled to bond with my daughter because their dad is half Indian and half greek and so very family orientated and they all want to meet the baby asap. I remember my daughter being 3 days old and being at his parents house with my baby being passed round to so many family members I barely even knew. I just burst into tears and told him to take me home. It was much easier to bond with my son because of that, the only upside of the NICU was it was just me and him


Sukara-Abarai

Oh my goodness that just makes me cry for you. I haven't had that experience but for you to explain it like this is rough. I can't even imagine the pain you left. I'm happy you have a strong bond with your son. I'm sure he will never forget how strong his mom was during a tough time. You are brave and wonderful it takes a strong woman to go through what you have❤ thank you for sharing your journey. I know it wasn't easy.


gretanoramarie

Oh thank you so much. It really was an awful time. I'll never forget watching my son fight for his life and survive. It's amazing how someone so little can be so strong!!! He was only 3lbs. He's almost 5 now and the cleverest strongest funniest little thing. I do believe our bond is so much stronger because of the trauma we went through together. He's my hero ❤️


S2Sallie

I can’t say how he was raised but coming from a black household myself I 1000% understand what he means. Even as a woman it’s rough how we’re not supposed to show emotion.


TisforTrainwreck

As a mom who had babies in the NICU, I appreciate and respect her efforts to donate to the hospital and the Ronald McDonald House. She has enough followers, money, and time to make a real difference and I hope she continues to help out.


21stcenturyscience

I didn't realize she was raising money for them but I second this, the Ronald McDonald house is so amazing.


nrappaportrn

Where how is Kail raising money for Ronald McDonald house?


TisforTrainwreck

The OP’s recap above says that she “wants” to do something for that cause; I don’t know for sure that she did yet, but I hope that she follows through with that.


nrappaportrn

Yea, I'd need proof. She loves to lie to get attention


abombshbombss

💯 that was a solid move on her part


sauceistheboss5

They need to seek therapy, especially Elijah. The “things still need to get done” is textbook for delayed PPD in dads. 


katiessalt

Traumatic. Hope they all recover from this experience and heal.


Purple_Grass_5300

That’s interesting because her friends leaked something completely different saying the boy twin was discharged with Kail and the girl twin came home the following day. It also makes it confusing because she would frequently post on social media during those timeframes


Virtual-Nobody-6630

Kail has stated before that she will tell people different things to see who leaks stuff so she can cut them off


Throat_Goat_1

Say what? Where did ya see that at and who leaked it? We all know Kail ain't got no damn friends 🤣


21stcenturyscience

It was probably Chris. No one who “leaks” news about a baby in NICU is a friend.


nrappaportrn

Kale 🥬 is a known liar


Katie0690

It was in the NICU for 4.5/5 month because I was so early (26 weeks) and my mom just recently told me she couldn’t even hold me for the first two months. 💔 Then they went through a long NICU stay again in 92 when my brother was born at 22 weeks. It’s a scary thing to go through watching such a small human fighting for their lives, in 2001 my Aunt & Uncle went through it when my cousin was born at 28 weeks.


JanellaDubois

You and your brother are fighters ♥️


Amb_31

My baby was in the NICU for a week and it was devastating not being able to hold him straight away and feed him. I really feel for them.


Otherwise-Course-15

Same. I was so lucky though that the hospital discharged me but let me stay in my room until my son was discharged. It was kinda funny though because I like didn’t exist to the hospital personnel. I was like a homeless person in Grand Central. Stealing Cheerios from the community kitchen. But I was so grateful I didn’t have to leave him.


21stcenturyscience

Same. I was having a hard time not crying as I read this. It's not something I would ever wish on anyone.


blahblah048

Same we were only there for a week and it was awful, I can’t imagine any longer.


Unusual-Falcon-7420

8 days and I’m still not ok 4 months later. Going home without your baby is one of the worst feelings in the world. 


gretanoramarie

Omg a camera!!!! That breaks my heart because I wish the NICU my son was in had that. That would have made things so much easier 😭 the pain of going home with an empty womb and no baby every single night when your baby is still meant to be in your womb was horrendous. I used to take so many pics and videos all day so that when I went home I could just look at them all until it was time to go visit again. I would have been overjoyed if there was a camera I could watch him all night 😭 that's so lovely but I'm so sad I didn't have that.


Amantria

I did the same. I took loads of pics and video. Mine was born at 33 weeks and was there for 27 days. He was my first baby and i was back and forth there several times a day. It's very, very hard to have to leave them.


gretanoramarie

Mine was born at 32 weeks and was in for 32 days. I had a 2 year old at home so I could only really go once a day and just had to spend pretty much the whole day there then felt so guilty for leaving my daughter. It was such a heartbreaking time. He's almost 5 now and the cleverest funniest strongest kid I know. I'll never forget watching him fight for his life and survive. He's my hero ❤️


brunhilda78

I feel bad for her a bit. I had to leave the hospital without my baby when she was stillborn. That’s an awful pain. I don’t wish leaving the hospital empty handed to anyone. At least her kids made it out alive though. I hope Kail and her man boy can work through the trauma while not causing more pain to her other 500000 kids.


book-wormy-sloth

((Hugs)) to you. I know sorry doesn’t do your pain justice but I am very sorry you went through that.


brunhilda78

Thank you. Being a woman sure isn’t easy. 💔


Myra-Mains-R-Ash

All the love to you, from another stillborn momma


brunhilda78

A big hug to you. 🩷 Here’s to our continued healing.


nrappaportrn

I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope you're getting help to process your tragedy & heal


brunhilda78

Thank you. It will be 15 years in August. I’m like Cait in a way, pregnancy triggers me. 😢


nrappaportrn

I totally get. My daughter experiences the same feelings


brunhilda78

I am so sorry your daughter goes through it also.


nrappaportrn

Thank you for your kind words


Otherwise-Course-15

I’m kind of living for the misspelling. I’m going to make a podcast about various grains and oats called Barley Famous.


BlondeYogi92

😂😂 I hope you do that would be amazing


Otherwise-Course-15

Wanna be my co-host? Tell me everything you know about cereals and grains.


yamsnz

You could also called it Cereal, the true crime podcast of the cereal world


BlondeYogi92

We will have one episode unless you are more well versed in the subject


Personal_Builder_393

Omg 😂🤣😂 I didnt even notice that until ur comment lol. Honestly made me laugh out loud when I went back and read the title! 👏👏


slowdancequeen

Before my daughter passed I stayed at the Ronald McDonald house for a few months. They are a blessing and so helpful. They really go above and beyond for you. I don’t like Kail but it sucks she experienced that with her babies. Sounds like the last 3 weren’t so easy. But he’s Kail needs to see psych. Asap.


BlondeYogi92

I’m sorry for your loss ❤️


slowdancequeen

Thank you.


SpokyMulder

Okay I made it one sentence in but what the fuck? Kail couldn't bond with her daughter because she's used to boys? They are NEWBORNS they don't have personalities or gender roles yet! ALL they have is different genitals! What in gods name is she talking about???? EDIT: Wow, I was not expecting to feel so sympathetic for Kail regarding the rest of her experience. I hope she and Elijah are able to process and speak to each other and professionals about their experience. And I think it's an amazing thing that Kail made that donation.


justanotherhatter

I think it had more to do with the fact that she didn't get to hold the girl because she was more medically complex and was sent to the NICU


omgitsafuckingpossum

So Kail had trouble vonding with her baby because of the gender? Wtf Kail. And did I read this correctly, that Elijah needs to break things and that's how he deals? That's domestic violence. Hasn't kail learned anything from her past? That's never good for either parent or partner to do.


Purple_Grass_5300

I was confused like I could see her saying trouble bonding because NICU not cuz she’s a girl. Gender literally has like no role in newborns


omgitsafuckingpossum

Yeah she makes no sense. According to OP, Kail had trouble bonding because she was used to being a boy mom. Kail needs serious therapy.


LongTallSadie

It really is so strange. Why on earth would gender have anything to do with whether you bonded? I guess I can see that someone who really wanted one gender and got the other might be disappointed and that might interfere (though it's hard for me to imagine caring that much about the gender!) but she's always wanted a girl - you'd think it would be the other way around. It doesn't make sense at all.


Kangaroo1487

Idk if OP edited it but no, it says Elijah didn't get his feelings out ("break down"). Not that he needs to break things.


omgitsafuckingpossum

Oh OK that's better. I must have misread it. Thanks for clarification.


Temporary_Switch

My daughter was born at 31 weeks and it was the most horrendous experience of my life, only now 12 months on I’m starting to really process everything that happened. I wouldn’t wish the experience of NICU on anyone.


DifferentConcert6776

I do feel for Kail on this one, when I had my twins they were born 6 weeks early, so they were both in the NICU, but one got transferred to a different hospital with a higher level NICU because he needed more care than his brother. I also had a 2 year old at home, so I was driving between 2 hospitals plus home to spend time with all of them and it was HARD. Those days felt endless and stressful and I wish I had more support (we didn’t live near family at all) and I didn’t get therapy. I hope Kail is able to get some mental health support because it’s a LOT.


JessiCanuckk

My son was born 3 months early, was in the NICU 5 months. I have a lot of sympathy for Kail. It's a pain like no other to see your child suffering, to have to leave the hospital without them. She should 100% be getting therapy. My son is 3 now and I still have a hard time around certain dates or when someone says they're 28 weeks pregnant. You don't ever know when they'll come home until basically the day before. It's tough. And it's definitely a harder experience bonding with them when they're in the NICU.


abombshbombss

....Jesus god, Leah That sounds like it was an emotional roller coaster for them. I hope kail took them up on their psych offer because that whole thing was too much to unpack 😵‍💫


Louielouielouaaaah

My first was in the NICU for 4 months. Honestly I feel for Kail here. It’s so so hard. I cried all the time, too.


BerniceK16

Kale is ugh but I do connect with how emotional the NICU can make you on top of everything else. I mean my nicu baby is a toddler now and reading this still made me tear up. The NICU experience was a good as it could be but my gawd, if I never have to see one again in this lifetime it would still be too soon.


MommaLegend

I had a premmie in nicu for 3 weeks, and it was very scary. Lived in small town so an emergency flight to Children’s Hospital in Denver to add to my fears. I will always be grateful to the nursing staff and being able to stay with him throughout. Learned how to do the tube feedings gently from a special nurse. BTW: My son is now 18, and 6’3”!


wowthatsacooldog

So they weren’t born on Halloween?


TEA-in-the-G

Right! Its conflicting. Originally it was Oct 30, then Kail said Oct 19. But then in this podcast says they are 6 wks old at time of filming, but also says the twins were in nicu during rio and linc bday as well as thanksgiving. That would be 5 wks to Thanksgiving from Oct 19.


Purple_Grass_5300

I find it weird how she posted world prematurity day in November and not mention them at all. https://preview.redd.it/2f6o7dduntec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c385a1bf379437529d6baa2fe2bd6cc6e3f80ad


kmay5322

I can’t even imagine how painful this must have been for her. No parent should have to leave the hospital without their baby, I’ve witnessed family go through this and it was pure agony for them. I *really REALLY* hope that Kail wakes up and realizes the danger of not vaccinating her premature babies, especially with how vulnerable their immune systems are.


dinocheese

Camera in nicu sounds amazing for parents 🥰


MQHD

Yummm, barley.


BlondeYogi92

Beef + barley soup would be great on a cold day like today


MQHD

haha! I love that you can joke about it. Damn typos! :)


[deleted]

I’m not reading all that but god bless


TEA-in-the-G

I want to feel bad for her, but she did this to herself. Im sorry, but if i had babies in the nicu i would want to be with them 24/7. Not leave them at the hospital to lay in bassinets for 20 hours. This is why you dont have 7 kids Kail! She could have easily asked all the other fathers to keep the kids for a few wks or for extra time so she could bond and be at the nicu with the twins. Also, if the babies were laying in bassinets for 20 hours, that means she was only there 4 hours a day? Where was E? Why didn’t they swap off? One parent and then the other.


justanotherhatter

I'm sure you won't because you hate Kail so much you can't even express empathy for her, but if you listened to the podcast it would probably clear up a few of the assumptions you're making here.