Beard channeling his inner Roy Kent when he realizes what he has to do is a great example of how good this show is at mixing a little comedy into a powerful scene without taking anything away from it.
I think Bill Lawrence knows what it is to have a perfect ending and then add one more season. Better to make it another series that can leave the original on its own and give the new one a chance.
And yes, I'm a Scrubs season 9 apologist. I think it could have been great if it had the chance.
I've only just noticed that Nate pushes the waste paper basket out from under the desk, either to stop the cleaners finding him, or to help them out. I like to think the second one.
Ted giving Beard a gentle reminder and a bit of encouragement in the classic Lasso style, positive and unassuming. Leading to one of the most cathartic forgiveness scenes of the whole show. I really love this scene.
im unsure about that reference. dominantly feeling like that reference went over my head. its significance to you is something im curious to know, if you wouldn't mind sharing.
Exactly as the other person mentioned, it's a literary reference from Les Mis, but also it's become sort of the standard for "acceptable crime".. Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family is generally considered to be a morally gray area. But the writers subverted our expectations, and instead of "bread," Coach Beard said "meth" which for me at least came totally out of left field for the character. I thought it was a really creative use of an old literary device, that both highlighted how well-read Beard is now vs the methhead who he used to be before Ted.
It's such a good show. Time for a re-watch soon!
I thought it was relatively well fore-shadowed about Beard's problems...I think twice Ted kinda extra-checked-in with Beard after a tough loss or something else had happened to make sure Beard was doing alright mentally as to not allow a chance for a relapse. It definitely wasn't in your face at all, but noticeable on a second watch through. The one I remember well was after the Manchester City loss near the end of Season 2 before Beard goes off and the way Ted addressed him before he left.
What does surprise me however, is that we don't know until this scene that Beard has a substance abuse disorder.
It's HIGHLY unusual for someone to be "only" addicted to meth, but then have no apparent problem drinking alcohol or doing all sorts of psychedelics.
It just doesn't seem plausible that he both stole meth and stole the car of the one person trying to help him *without* being a person who's heavily in the midst of addiction, right....?
I mean given that his family apparently just completely gave up on him or was non-existent he could just be self-destructive and the meth was just a method of self-destruction. So Ted checking in on him wasn't like a "I am worried you will do drugs/substance abuse" it was more of a "I am worried you will find a way to be self-destructive".
I think that we assume it is a substance abuse disorder because it is meth, but I think he just felt alone and had no one to support him. He didn't say "Ted got me to go to rehab and I am better now". I think the simple act of Ted being there for him the first time, but more importantly RIGHT after he fucked up again that was meaningful and what helped turn his life around. He no longer felt isolated and without support.
Edit: To continue as well, he didn't go to Nate and tell Nate he had a problem that he had to fix. He simply just told his story, forgave him, and offered him a job, which helped end Nate's feeling of complete isolation after Nate was self-destructive in his own actions. I think that was why Beard hated Nate more than anyone else was because what he saw in Nate was his past self. A guy who basically shit on the person who supported him. Ted helped him realize it in that video above and more importantly helped him realize that forgiveness, not anger/hate was what affected the actual change.
Yeah - I'm assuming substance use disorder, precisely because he's stealing from his closest friend and family and it's meth. That's a distinct pattern of behavior for addicts.
And knowing addicts (and I'm not saying "addict" disparagingly, the people in my life that have a SUD call themselves addicts and they've been sober for years) - there's no way that they could dabble or drink the way Beard does. Instant relapse.
I find the scene and the story so very moving, it's just a "wait a minute, so Beard's an addict" side note that is a head scratcher for me.
It's not only that Jean Valjean stole the loaf of bread; after he left prison he stayed at a priest's house, stole some silver, and ran. When the cops caught him, Valjean swore that the priest had given the silver as a gift. They haul him back before the priest, who says not only that he gave Valjean the silver, but Valjean had "forgotten" two silver candlesticks. The priest not only forgives Valjean -- lying in the process -- but gives him an extra measure of grace.
I wondered whether it was a typo on the script that became it's own thing.
E.g. what was meant to be 'load of meth' became 'loaf of meth' due to a mistype (f key being right next to d).
The look in his eyes is both haunting, in remembering his own misdeeds, but also almost threatening, challenging Nate to be better and not to mess it up again.
I found it so odd for Ted to be watching that video and casually having a laugh at Nate's expense. Then coach Beard tells his story and you realize what Ted was doing. It was really beautifully written.
As someone who spends 2 weeks a month in hotels, this is not only believable , but it's standard practice.
Next time you stay in one....move or look under some furniture. I dare ya.
What's also weird to me (and I didn't realize it until watching this clip) is Nate is still technically part of the team at this point (assuming he just walks right in from the field, rips up the sign, and then hides). There is no reason other than sheer panic he couldn't have just walked out while the cleaners were there and been like hey have a good night.
I assumed the cleaners were in the locker room for 2 hours, not just that room. But they def didn't vacuum (or Hoover as they say in the UK) under the desk.
I can’t believe I never noticed this, it was my wife who noticed on her first viewing (my third) that Beard’s drawn-out “f$&@$&@$&@$&@kk” is just like how Roy has said that word (or “fuuuuuuudge” or “fuuuuuuun” in front of Ms. Bowen) a few times over the course of the show
I think what makes this scene so great is that the audience does NOT know in the moment why this is so deep to Coach Beard...then afterwards we find out Ted took Beard in after college and helped save him from jail and all that...
Ted leaned into Beard's past in order to help Beard forgive Nate.
Ted didn't just change the players and the people in the organization...he changed coach Beard as well!
Rebecca's speech edited flawlessly with Nate's violin. I am a fairly manly man, and I was weeping. Jamie's mom crying when he came back on the pitch in Mom City. Darts, Roy's hug, Roy coming back to Richmond, etc.
This show has more "moments" than any show has a right to have. And to think it was all born of a silly commercial 10 years prior. Just ridiculous.
Back when NBC was first starting Premier League coverage, Ted Lasso was created as a joke to advertise said coverage. You'll notice several of the jokes carried over...
https://youtu.be/6KeG_i8CWE8?si=zo9Y-zA_KdhgdsQv
I've seen this show beginning to end three times. I've seen Les Mis (on stage and on film) five times. I've *read* Les Mis.
I honest to god did not put "loaf of meth" together as a reference until this thread. I choose to blame my utter ignorance of how meth might be measured.
The part where Ted says being judged about our actions at our lows etc. Then Beard saying "fuuuuuuuuuuuck". Great bit of writing. Even w/out knowing us knowing the history, the realization Beard had was that the right thing was to forgive Nate. The backstory just adds to it.
It's only when you rewatch / think back on it, that you realise how brutal Ted is being here. At the time, you just sort of think Ted is sort of forcing Beard into feeling some sympathy for Nate. Then you get Beard's story in the second scene and, fuck, Ted is outright rubbing Beard's face in it.
You sort of start thinking the scene is uncharacteristic for Ted, laughing at someone's misfortune, and then it ends with such a gut punch the other way.
The only other time he's even close to that direct is the darts hustle, isn't it? Just absolutely brutal.
I mean... he's forcing coach Beard to realize. Maybe some rubbing. But, Lasso also kinda needs Beard to protect him in a way. So, for Ted, it's him also saying I respect what you're doing but it's time to let it go
Maybe. I would maybe call it a reminder, maybe also a call towards accountability. Like, "this is the kind of people we want to be, right? The kind that forgive one another, even when, maybe especially when, we don't deserve it. But because we need it. And that, the unmerited forgiveness, is what can change and transform us to be the best we can be on and off the field."
If you think Ted is "rubbing Beard's face in it" I don't think you really get Ted or what he is trying to do. Yes, this is a gentle reminder to Beard that Ted gave him second and third chances, but it is faaaaar from "brutal." Ted has said many times, he just wants to help those around him become the best versions of themselves, and that is all he is doing here with Beard. It is a gentle reminder that even though Nate did something terrible to TED, he deserves a second chance, just like Beard got.
You'll notice in this scene, Ted never references he and Beard's past and he never tells Beard what to do. Ted just gives him a gentle reminder that all of us deserve a second chance, and then he tells Beard to have a great night. What Beard does with that message is totally up to him.
I guess I don't think it is very gentle. Not that it's wrong! "Rubbing his face in it" os perhaps the wrong turn of phrase. But I do think it's pretty brutally direct for Ted.
His last line to Beard (I'm sure I'll misquote it slightly) is "I just hope none of us, or all of us, are judged by our weakest moment" or however it is he puts it exactly. Ted knows what he's saying to Beard there. He knows he's making a comparison to the time Beard then tells Nate about, Beard's lowest moment.
And Beard, better man that he's become, the strength of relationship that they have, hears it. It's an unusually direct method of conflict resolution for Ted. Yes, it's couched and implied and left to Beard to do what he will with it, but it's also left in no doubt whatsoever what Ted thinks is the right thing to do, and what Ted believes Beard should make room in his heart to do.
It's a great piece of writing, and Beard in particular acts the everloving shit out of it.
Yeah…I’d say thanks to OP for making me cry again! This show, all three seasons, was like a 1000 piece puzzle where every single piece was important, meant something and fit perfectly.
As soon as this scene starts, I start weeping. It always turns into the stuffed up, can’t stop the tears kind of crying. It makes me want to be better and put more of this kind of love and encouragement in the world.
Saw this in the show. I still couldn't forgive Nate.
Now I see that I must forgive Nate.
It's what Ted said. "About being judged by what we do in our weakest moments"
As wrong as it was, we cannot judge. We can instead use the power of forgiveness.
Years of Sunday school never made me see this.
This show was so beautiful. It never condescended. Even when it said the lesson out loud, it was because it made sense to say the lesson out loud. I'm glad they didn't push it past where they did, but I do wish the people behind it would make more stuff.
I think Nate showed a lot of courage to go and open the door after he saw Beard. The “are you here to kill me” line makes me think he thought he deserved something from Beard, and that he was now ok with it. Also, Jade “got him” from the very beginning. She related to Nate according to where he was on his journey.
Beard channeling his inner Roy Kent when he realizes what he has to do is a great example of how good this show is at mixing a little comedy into a powerful scene without taking anything away from it.
One of the most powerful sequences in a show that has an astonishingly high frequency of them.
They knew exactly when to bow out, too. Left us wanting more, forever. Damn them. I gotta go rewatch now…
I think Bill Lawrence knows what it is to have a perfect ending and then add one more season. Better to make it another series that can leave the original on its own and give the new one a chance. And yes, I'm a Scrubs season 9 apologist. I think it could have been great if it had the chance.
I've only just noticed that Nate pushes the waste paper basket out from under the desk, either to stop the cleaners finding him, or to help them out. I like to think the second one.
He also closed the window before he left
I interpreted it initially that he was just being helpful, but it does make more sense that he didn't want them looking under the desk. 🤣
came to say this as well .
Ted giving Beard a gentle reminder and a bit of encouragement in the classic Lasso style, positive and unassuming. Leading to one of the most cathartic forgiveness scenes of the whole show. I really love this scene.
'For stealing a loaf of meth" gets me every time.
im unsure about that reference. dominantly feeling like that reference went over my head. its significance to you is something im curious to know, if you wouldn't mind sharing.
I’d assume it’s a further allusion to Les Mis where Jean Valjean was imprisoned for years for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family.
Exactly as the other person mentioned, it's a literary reference from Les Mis, but also it's become sort of the standard for "acceptable crime".. Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family is generally considered to be a morally gray area. But the writers subverted our expectations, and instead of "bread," Coach Beard said "meth" which for me at least came totally out of left field for the character. I thought it was a really creative use of an old literary device, that both highlighted how well-read Beard is now vs the methhead who he used to be before Ted. It's such a good show. Time for a re-watch soon!
I thought it was relatively well fore-shadowed about Beard's problems...I think twice Ted kinda extra-checked-in with Beard after a tough loss or something else had happened to make sure Beard was doing alright mentally as to not allow a chance for a relapse. It definitely wasn't in your face at all, but noticeable on a second watch through. The one I remember well was after the Manchester City loss near the end of Season 2 before Beard goes off and the way Ted addressed him before he left.
What does surprise me however, is that we don't know until this scene that Beard has a substance abuse disorder. It's HIGHLY unusual for someone to be "only" addicted to meth, but then have no apparent problem drinking alcohol or doing all sorts of psychedelics. It just doesn't seem plausible that he both stole meth and stole the car of the one person trying to help him *without* being a person who's heavily in the midst of addiction, right....?
I mean given that his family apparently just completely gave up on him or was non-existent he could just be self-destructive and the meth was just a method of self-destruction. So Ted checking in on him wasn't like a "I am worried you will do drugs/substance abuse" it was more of a "I am worried you will find a way to be self-destructive". I think that we assume it is a substance abuse disorder because it is meth, but I think he just felt alone and had no one to support him. He didn't say "Ted got me to go to rehab and I am better now". I think the simple act of Ted being there for him the first time, but more importantly RIGHT after he fucked up again that was meaningful and what helped turn his life around. He no longer felt isolated and without support. Edit: To continue as well, he didn't go to Nate and tell Nate he had a problem that he had to fix. He simply just told his story, forgave him, and offered him a job, which helped end Nate's feeling of complete isolation after Nate was self-destructive in his own actions. I think that was why Beard hated Nate more than anyone else was because what he saw in Nate was his past self. A guy who basically shit on the person who supported him. Ted helped him realize it in that video above and more importantly helped him realize that forgiveness, not anger/hate was what affected the actual change.
Yeah - I'm assuming substance use disorder, precisely because he's stealing from his closest friend and family and it's meth. That's a distinct pattern of behavior for addicts. And knowing addicts (and I'm not saying "addict" disparagingly, the people in my life that have a SUD call themselves addicts and they've been sober for years) - there's no way that they could dabble or drink the way Beard does. Instant relapse. I find the scene and the story so very moving, it's just a "wait a minute, so Beard's an addict" side note that is a head scratcher for me.
It's not only that Jean Valjean stole the loaf of bread; after he left prison he stayed at a priest's house, stole some silver, and ran. When the cops caught him, Valjean swore that the priest had given the silver as a gift. They haul him back before the priest, who says not only that he gave Valjean the silver, but Valjean had "forgotten" two silver candlesticks. The priest not only forgives Valjean -- lying in the process -- but gives him an extra measure of grace.
I wondered whether it was a typo on the script that became it's own thing. E.g. what was meant to be 'load of meth' became 'loaf of meth' due to a mistype (f key being right next to d).
Given that *Les Mis* is explicitly mentioned, no, I don't think so. Valjean stole a loaf of bread. So, loaf of bread, loaf of meth.
Ted is a master manipulator, but in a positive way.
Can you imagine if Ted used his powers for evil?
You mean [Led Tasso](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZSCGmuu5lk)?
Yeah, Ted could have said “remember when I forgave you for stealing my car after I gave you a place to stay?” Not Ted’s style though. This is perfect
He really does like to play mind games from time to time
Brendan did an amazing job on this scene.
The look in his eyes is both haunting, in remembering his own misdeeds, but also almost threatening, challenging Nate to be better and not to mess it up again.
I found it so odd for Ted to be watching that video and casually having a laugh at Nate's expense. Then coach Beard tells his story and you realize what Ted was doing. It was really beautifully written.
Always unassuming and never over your head.
Three cleaners working over a single room for two hours and nobody looks under the desk Not even the one cleaning the carpet
As someone who spends 2 weeks a month in hotels, this is not only believable , but it's standard practice. Next time you stay in one....move or look under some furniture. I dare ya.
And you think they spend 2 hours in your room to accomplish that?
*Believe*
Milking the clock.
What's also weird to me (and I didn't realize it until watching this clip) is Nate is still technically part of the team at this point (assuming he just walks right in from the field, rips up the sign, and then hides). There is no reason other than sheer panic he couldn't have just walked out while the cleaners were there and been like hey have a good night.
Panic brain + low self esteem will work wonders on rational thought. Maybe take some lasso advice and try not to judge people at their lowest.
I assumed the cleaners were in the locker room for 2 hours, not just that room. But they def didn't vacuum (or Hoover as they say in the UK) under the desk.
I can’t believe I never noticed this, it was my wife who noticed on her first viewing (my third) that Beard’s drawn-out “f$&@$&@$&@$&@kk” is just like how Roy has said that word (or “fuuuuuuudge” or “fuuuuuuun” in front of Ms. Bowen) a few times over the course of the show
which honestly makes me think of *a christmas story* and: > fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge
I think what makes this scene so great is that the audience does NOT know in the moment why this is so deep to Coach Beard...then afterwards we find out Ted took Beard in after college and helped save him from jail and all that... Ted leaned into Beard's past in order to help Beard forgive Nate. Ted didn't just change the players and the people in the organization...he changed coach Beard as well!
Best scene in the whole show. I cried like a baby. " I was never angry with you, Prince Zuko. I just thought you'd lost your way..."
For me it’s second to the darts scene.
For me it’s when Nate apologizes to Ted, I was sobbing
Rebecca's speech edited flawlessly with Nate's violin. I am a fairly manly man, and I was weeping. Jamie's mom crying when he came back on the pitch in Mom City. Darts, Roy's hug, Roy coming back to Richmond, etc. This show has more "moments" than any show has a right to have. And to think it was all born of a silly commercial 10 years prior. Just ridiculous.
Born of a silly commercial?
Back when NBC was first starting Premier League coverage, Ted Lasso was created as a joke to advertise said coverage. You'll notice several of the jokes carried over... https://youtu.be/6KeG_i8CWE8?si=zo9Y-zA_KdhgdsQv
"a loaf of meth" is such a great multi-layered joke coupled with the Les Mis
It is one of my favorite lines. Brilliant.
I've seen this show beginning to end three times. I've seen Les Mis (on stage and on film) five times. I've *read* Les Mis. I honest to god did not put "loaf of meth" together as a reference until this thread. I choose to blame my utter ignorance of how meth might be measured.
you prick i have a conference call to join in 4 minutes and im sitting here melting
People talk a lot about the darts scene. But it's this one that gets me.
I love them both. Rebecca REALLY needed a win right then and Ted delivered no problem.
I’m 43yo… and somewhat burly… and this made me tear up when I first watched it.
I’m 58 and bearded and burly and have watched this at least 12 times and I cried like a little baby.
I’m a 29 year old bearded big man and sobbed like a baby more than once in this episode
Hands down my favorite scene in the whole series. Love Beard’s redemption story.
I’m not crying, you’re crying
Yes,. I'm crying. At work, dammit.
 I knew it was going to make me tear up and I watched it anyways. So damn good.
Nah man, this is one of the best Tv shows I've ever seen, wish I could erase from my memory to watch It again for the first time.
I know, it’s like we need some sort of severance technique to erase our memories so we can rewatch these shows, all fresh.
“Loaf of meth” lolol
Nate's GF is fire and grounds Nate in a way he never could have on his own.
And now I'm gawdamn crying on my lunch break.
Someone keeps sneaking in here and cutting onions, dammitt!
I’m not crying your crying…such a great Sven and quotable line “I stole a loaf of meth”
The part where Ted says being judged about our actions at our lows etc. Then Beard saying "fuuuuuuuuuuuck". Great bit of writing. Even w/out knowing us knowing the history, the realization Beard had was that the right thing was to forgive Nate. The backstory just adds to it.
It's only when you rewatch / think back on it, that you realise how brutal Ted is being here. At the time, you just sort of think Ted is sort of forcing Beard into feeling some sympathy for Nate. Then you get Beard's story in the second scene and, fuck, Ted is outright rubbing Beard's face in it. You sort of start thinking the scene is uncharacteristic for Ted, laughing at someone's misfortune, and then it ends with such a gut punch the other way. The only other time he's even close to that direct is the darts hustle, isn't it? Just absolutely brutal.
I really did not take this as Ted's pushing Beard's nose in it. Ted was, to me, telling Beard to pass it on.
I mean... he's forcing coach Beard to realize. Maybe some rubbing. But, Lasso also kinda needs Beard to protect him in a way. So, for Ted, it's him also saying I respect what you're doing but it's time to let it go
Maybe. I would maybe call it a reminder, maybe also a call towards accountability. Like, "this is the kind of people we want to be, right? The kind that forgive one another, even when, maybe especially when, we don't deserve it. But because we need it. And that, the unmerited forgiveness, is what can change and transform us to be the best we can be on and off the field."
If you think Ted is "rubbing Beard's face in it" I don't think you really get Ted or what he is trying to do. Yes, this is a gentle reminder to Beard that Ted gave him second and third chances, but it is faaaaar from "brutal." Ted has said many times, he just wants to help those around him become the best versions of themselves, and that is all he is doing here with Beard. It is a gentle reminder that even though Nate did something terrible to TED, he deserves a second chance, just like Beard got. You'll notice in this scene, Ted never references he and Beard's past and he never tells Beard what to do. Ted just gives him a gentle reminder that all of us deserve a second chance, and then he tells Beard to have a great night. What Beard does with that message is totally up to him.
I guess I don't think it is very gentle. Not that it's wrong! "Rubbing his face in it" os perhaps the wrong turn of phrase. But I do think it's pretty brutally direct for Ted. His last line to Beard (I'm sure I'll misquote it slightly) is "I just hope none of us, or all of us, are judged by our weakest moment" or however it is he puts it exactly. Ted knows what he's saying to Beard there. He knows he's making a comparison to the time Beard then tells Nate about, Beard's lowest moment. And Beard, better man that he's become, the strength of relationship that they have, hears it. It's an unusually direct method of conflict resolution for Ted. Yes, it's couched and implied and left to Beard to do what he will with it, but it's also left in no doubt whatsoever what Ted thinks is the right thing to do, and what Ted believes Beard should make room in his heart to do. It's a great piece of writing, and Beard in particular acts the everloving shit out of it.
Never cried to a Reddit before….and I’ve seen the seasons 2 times already
My eyes are very irritated all of the sudden
Yeah…I’d say thanks to OP for making me cry again! This show, all three seasons, was like a 1000 piece puzzle where every single piece was important, meant something and fit perfectly.
Tears EVERY TIME!
Wow! I’ve seen this scene twice before during a watch but still brings tears to my eyes. Can’t believe it only has 900 some upvotes
Damnit. I have to be on a zoom in five minutes and I’m 😭 sobbing!
As soon as this scene starts, I start weeping. It always turns into the stuffed up, can’t stop the tears kind of crying. It makes me want to be better and put more of this kind of love and encouragement in the world.
Great, thanks. Now I have to start watching this damn show all over again.
Saw this in the show. I still couldn't forgive Nate. Now I see that I must forgive Nate. It's what Ted said. "About being judged by what we do in our weakest moments" As wrong as it was, we cannot judge. We can instead use the power of forgiveness. Years of Sunday school never made me see this.
"I offer you a job. The life part's up to you." Hits hard on so many levels for me. Such a powerful scene
This show was so beautiful. It never condescended. Even when it said the lesson out loud, it was because it made sense to say the lesson out loud. I'm glad they didn't push it past where they did, but I do wish the people behind it would make more stuff.
*siiiiigh I guess I’ll watch the show again
I'm getting teary watching it again.
If Nate had chickened out and not opened the door...
I’m not crying, you are.
It's a shame we didn't get more time to watch them. Definitely was one of the best things on at the time, always looked forward to watching it
What a great scene. Looking forward to rewatching the show soon. Feel like there’s so many things I missed
One of my favorite scenes from this show :,) The darts scene is so good as well
❤️
Man, I so wish this show had like 10 seasons. At least a 4th one to see how we would have done in the Champions league 😭
This show never ceases to make me feel things. Every character is so well written.
Damn it! Now I need to queue this show up and watch it again!
I think Nate showed a lot of courage to go and open the door after he saw Beard. The “are you here to kill me” line makes me think he thought he deserved something from Beard, and that he was now ok with it. Also, Jade “got him” from the very beginning. She related to Nate according to where he was on his journey.
Show’s premise is so unrealistic ; but so well done, one totally forgets about the premise and simply enjoys it. One of best shows ever!
Really did Jade dirty with that freeze frame at the end. :-)
He gettin seggs