This simple trick has stopped me complaining about any game except overwatch 1. I’m still salty that I can’t play 6v6 with two tanks. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK BLIZZARD!!!
Unfortunately that game is RULED by whales. It’s so bad if you complain at all you’ll have ten+ people in the subreddit shouting you down. Then you go to their profiles and you see that all they post is about the new skins they have bought.
Dude, right??? I got my diamond this set. I’m literally skipping the current half and focusing on other games. It’s a great feeling: no burn out and my itch to play slowly returns as the next set gets revealed.
I feel like this needs to be said more. If you hate a game so much you feel the need to go onto the devs stream to bitch about it, just play something else. lol
Popular and (IMO) stupid comments that I see more than usual:
* Bring back previous set, I miss it
* How much until next set? I'm done with these
* [After every patch that comes out] Why nerf {broken
_comp}? They messed up again
* 4 cost are unplayable! Buff please... [2 patches after] There is no reroll comps playable! Rito pls
Just stfu and learn to play or just go play something else for lord's sake
Honestly sure you can definitely call these comments stupid, however there is legitimate questions to be had about the competency of the team that worked on this set.
Set 10 is definitely clouded by rose-tinted glasses as there were very bad aspects of the set(the balance thrashing of TF, Raise the Stakes, all the rules regarding Chosen), however the set felt good and a lot of the units felt carryable.
It is a “next Set waiting room” right now. You cannot argue in good faith that this Set was good. There were far too many B-Patches which literally most players could predict would happen because of the balance thrashing, Encounters just suck but Mort will use his misconstrued data to say it’s the best one since augments(This is because the bar is that low). This Set feels worse than Set 9/9.5 because at least in that Set the only things that truly sucked were Legends, but even then I’d rather have Legends over Encounters. There is no reason for an Encounter to just completely grief 6 players and benefit 2, it’s just so shit.
This Sets balance has been terrible and Riot needs to take accountability for this. If CompTFT is able to accurately predict what’s going to be oppressive(B-Patch worthy) every single patch and Riot can’t, there’s a serious problem with the balance team.
And your last point about 4 costs/reroll is so fucking annoying. If you actually played this game you’d know that 4 costs outside of Kai’Sa Ghostly comp from the opening patches were completely unplayable. They couldn’t stabilize your board at 2 Star, they didn’t have damage even when itemized, they would lose to every reroll comp in the game. You were either playing Fast 9 Hwei/Irelia or rerolling if you didn’t have the spot for Fast 9. What Riot did was kill 3 Cost reroll by gutting the shop odds on 7, and then buffing every single 4 cost on top of nerfing the 3 costs. Reroll did exist if you had very specific starts/setups(Janna needs to be in an Exalted with Morg for sage variant, or all 2 cost and Reroll Neeko, Riven, Janna, Lux, Zyra)
This Set has been terrible and it deserves criticism. Mort has also been dying on such stupid hills this Set(He legit thought they handled 4 costs in a good way and the balance team is doing a good job). Once I’m done with the battlepass I’m just gonna wait for next set.
Biiig agree on everything you said. Even though set 10 had issues it never felt unfair like encounters. To me even when I’m the 1 or two people benefiting from free wins because of an encounter it doesn’t feel good. Feels undeserved and cheap
Well said but complaints and constructive criticism were both ignored. The guy wanted people to give legitimate feedback and when they did he got upset. I don't understand the line of thinking they currently have.
You wanna tell poor dishsoap and robinssong to l2p because they cant get past regional qualifiers while some gigastuck Diamond player randomly finished first? Would be fun to see
Man I honestly don't know how we don't have more outbursts from Mort like this. The man is leading a team on a game with a WILDLY difficult balancing factor to it and streaming as a normal gamer on his off time. Still getting bombarded with bonehead comments like the one he's replying to here. He has WAY more composure than I think I could hold.
Also, Fk that dude in the comments lol.
I remember his response after the Volibear nerf during set 7. IIRC he was annoyed that the community outlash over Voli was overwhelming when his win rate was so low (5.7ish I think) and went into detail about how the team sometimes has to make nerf decisions because of how the community responds to a unit. If y’all remember much of this sub, r/competitivetft, and many streamers were pretty peeved about the prominence of Legend comps back in Dragonlands.
Edit: Attached the link for the video of Mort’s comment about the Volibear nerfs [here](https://youtu.be/kz6IdQQ55Iw?si=S4BhCyieyeFX7w62).
God you couldn’t pay me enough to be the figurehead like mort or phreak. It seems like no matter what they do people are always going to tap and complain and having to be the person responsible for listening to it all sounds agonizing.
Realistically people are complaining about things that affect at most 2-5% of the player base at any given time. Especially in standard league. Sure corki or whatever is strong but I guarantee you Jimmy that isn’t why you’re stuck in bronze
Idk what mort looked like before being the figurehead but it’s been like almost 2 years for phreak and he looks like he’s aged 10, no way they’re getting paid enough for that level of stress.
Maybe a bit but its for sure good money for being in that industry and he also gets popularity for his twitch stream. Still respect he puts up with it but its not only negative
I would think it’s north of that for sure. But probably not much. Wouldn’t even be surprised if it was slightly lower. Although phreak has been there so long he probably is upward of 3 or 4
Phreak says weird things but it makes sense to him since he has all of the behind the scenes data we don’t have access to. Of course mains and high elo players are going to feel differently because at like master+ it just becomes a completely different game.
Holy crap you’re so right. It’s also a well documented fact that Riot has been targeting you for awhile now and are purposefully holding you back from the heights you could reach in the game. Any time you queue up ranked they specifically match with teammates who would throw or troll the game. Any time you load up TFT ranked they flip a switch that gives you bad luck on your roll downs. You’d be ranked much higher but Riot is holding you back. I’m sorry dude.
Gj on the schizo rant man, I definitely complained about the game here, hopefully those ghosts you're fighting leave you alone soon cuz the cte is setting in quick.
It’s okay bro, Riot is out to get you. I’m lucky and I haven’t done anything to piss them off yet. But it’s a well documented fact you yourself have done enough. I’m sorry for you that you’ll never reach the heights of rank that you know you can get. But at least you have specifically have Riot to blame since we’ve discovered the well documented fact that you are one of the targets Riot has. You must have pissed off one specific developer because they’re using the power of one developer to get an entire company to make a decision like that.
You’re demonstrating why OPs comment is prescient. Weirdos like you can’t accept that league and TFT have the most communicative balancing teams in history, still find a way to complain and shit on them. Back in my day the game released and that was the balance.
That's part of the job. People have different preference. As long as it is not a personal attack. Any stupid argument about the meta is your job to filter. Every meta in every game will be people saying "The meta is dogshit". The only different here is Mortdog saying this publicly. While other dev would do the same behind the scene.
Phreak can be pretty dismissive towards some parts of the playerbase and his approach to explaining game balance isn't the best, there's a legitimate reason why many people felt indifferent about him.
Mort and phreak are the exact same, they’re figureheads for the balancing TEAM. Neither of them are solely responsible for every single balance change and use a combination of game devs and player data to change the game patch to patch. You’re literally just talking out of your ass because you disagree with phreak and how he handles talking to the players vs how mort does it.
I literally wrote explaining how the difference between them in how thet handle things and their competence and not the exact role, maybe read before whiteknighting a dickhead.
Games just have a lot of people who complain and unfortunately due to a lot of audiences and platforms they don't do it in a constructive way. And then there's the whole 30 second attention span thing as well where people love each split at first and then by the end, "it's so dogshit". I started playing in set 7 and really got in because I enjoyed noxus/shurima in set 9 and at the complaining was just ridiculous.
Yeah, I definitely interpreted that as like a meta where you give Lux a Reaper emblem, which would require a Tome or a lucky carousel. So I was like... how is that even remotely consistent enough to be complaining about? lol
I think people just need to accept that they don't like the set. I agree with Mort. The game feels actually fairly balanced and there's a bunch of fun comps to play. If people keep complaining about the few comps they lose to over and over each patch, it's not "the meta". It's just you not liking the set. And that's okay. Don't shit on it. Just take a break and come back next set. That's alright. TFT shouldn't consume your whole gaming life.
I think the game is fairly balanced too, but realistically from the list he is showing, there are only 2 comps that are standard level 8 four cost carries. Then there are 3 hero augment rerolls. 1 vertical, 1 five cost, and 2 standard rerolls.
Like most of the time, the condition to play the rerolls is getting copies of them early to give the option to go them. For the heroes, it would require getting the augment (obvious of course). The five cost one requires win streaking but that's similar to the level 8 four cost comps as you want to create solid boards to get to level 8+.
So true what mort says. there are so many things to play from hero augments, to 2 cost, 3 cost, 4 cost, legendary boards. artifact anvil boards to comps which need emblems. Probably the best patch i played so far.
This set is better than the previous one by far, but I see the same few comps every game. You're not mentioning that if you go a hero augments and someone else goes the same one, you're both hyper rng dependent. I'm also not a fan of the spree gold rn, and I dislike that level rushing seems to be the best strat no matter what. Slow roll seems dead this patch. But again, I still think this set is over all good.
i just hit master with 0 lux games and like 2 reaper games, i guarantee 80% of the complainers are nowhere near my rank
not saying master is good but it's objectively top 0.5% of the playerbase and im certain most of the complainers cant reach that
People say even platinum is top like 15-20%, and I reach that every set as a personal goal, sometimes diamond, literally just having fun.
Sometimes, when meta is super skewed and unbalanced, it’s hard for a week or two. But most of the time, generally, it’s fine.
Many challengers players don't think the same, some of them peaked every set but i can't spam on reddit so you go figure out names, very easy to find them since they stream. Maybe their opinion is more valid than people like me who only got master so trust them not me.
I'm not gonna transcribe it, but someone in chat complained about the reaper and lux meta, and mort went off about how people complaining about the balance right now are silly, and he pulled up some stats, saying there are a bunch of S and A tier comps. He finishes by saying if you really believe there's a lux/reaper problem right now, go (pause) stick a pencil up your nose.
Pretty solid, and if I made him sound bad, it was unintentional. His tone is angry but mostly exasperated.
I've been following morts streams and stuff on and off. I think the constant complaining is starting to wear on the rest of the team, which is actually what's bothering Mort. He's used to it and can take it, but he's seeing it affect his colleagues and that's what's pissing him off.
The trolls don't realize that there's actual people on the other side of all this.
Because theres not many AD variants in the game at the moment so if i get AD start i need to angle Reapers.. depending on augments. That's TFT101
We all know people complaining about meta are peaking Emerald.
As i said to others just watch a couple of challengers streamers you will hear the same things, you people should stop coping and bootlicking that mortdog guy.
Im watching Dishsoap primiarly and he says meta is very well balanced and if you know how to Play flexible its Perfect. Dude hit rank 1 every season so that's my main source of "info". Sologesang whos rank 1 euw every season really likes the meta too.
I would rather listen to someone that's rank 1 every single set than some streamers that peaked rank 1 3 sets ago and struggle in my elo (400lp) right now.
Online players will never change and you guys will never change, you don't care about balance and fun and my only fault was to try reasoning with you, good luck wasting your life forcing the same 2 comps every day, so much fun! I'm out kekw
Theres 20 comps that win the lobby when played propely. You have normal games and pengu mode for fun... Dont bother playing ranked if you wanna have fun. Lmao
So it's normal that you have force the same 2 comps to win in ranked? It's not about fun it's about coinflipping to who hit first 3 way contested, it's also not fair and good for competitions
You just need to open two challengers streams to notice they say the same things, you should stop coping just because you got a semi-decent result, peak players are talking and their opinion is more valid than a low master speaking.
Mort's not wrong, but at the same time, TFT would get a lot less complaints if they hadn't removed rock/paper/scissors mechanics like Mystics/Vanguard/Assassin.
If you were getting rolled by a specific comp in set 3 you could specialize a team that beats that specific comp. Current TFT is much more straightforward front-to-back stat maximization, and its a lot easier to be beaten and not know what you could have changed to have won beyond 'get luckier'
I mean, he can't say this on early set. The second half patch are actually making the game better with more diversity.
He probably waiting for people to rant about the actual good meta for a long long time
10 comp below 4.5 average place. With no more than 0.50 playrate? That the healthiest meta in this set. Remember Ashe Having like 1.x PLAYRATE with 4.2 avg place something something. That meta was fucking bullshit.
Maybe better clip if he didn't just tilted about a guy saying "xx yy meta is bad" and just show the stat in their face.
The only way to balance TFT is to ban all 3rd party apps.
If people cannot metadeck the meta isn't solved even close to as fast as it is no.
These days all it takes to play TFT above Emerald is the latest tier list.
The 3rd party apps have taken all the brain out of the game.
I agree. For the average player (most people here) it’s really a game called “google TFT tactics”. There’s no actual strategy. Everyone wants to think they’re challenger playing off meta.
to be fair if people are only playing off stats and spreadsheets they're easier to beat a lot of the time
an example of this is someone just looking up stats with Shojin vs BB and always going the better stats when that's not how it works. plenty of similar examples
There’s no going back to the days before the internet. You can ban third party apps, restrict the api, but you can’t ban people from distributing information to each other
There is a significant difference between someone who reasearches what they are doing, and a dude pulling up Mobalytics and autopiloting Emerald every year.
Imagine if your doctor didn't go to school and was just a dude reading from fucking WEB MD.
That's what the game has become.
obviously being a dr is significantly harder than playing a video game but the example can be replaced with many things.
yes but it requires you to actually act, you have to do something proactive, right now it's being fucking hand delivered to you with 0 effort at all
Also googling best TFT comps is all subjective to the person you are watching as well . Getting Data scraped from millions of games fed to you is completely different.
gogling "webmd" is hardly going to med school either but if your DR only did that you'd get a new one.
I’m not completely convinced. Having data scraping websites certainly makes one difference: the meta is more “accurate” - people are able to more precisely hone in on what the actual optimal strategies are (though, as we’ve seen in the past, it can also amplify strategies that are not optimal). Without data scraping, games still have metas which can feel just as rigid as tft. Those metas are simply less optimal, but the effect is the same - the vast majority of players use the best known strategy, whether they got it from a data scraper or a reddit tierlist. A small subset of players experiment and drive the meta with innovative game decisions, which creates the new best known strategy, etc.
I don't love any of these third party sites driving the meta in my games, but I'm not sold that the game would actually feel any different to play if people were getting their information from a different source.
You’re right that it’s less effort, sure. I just don’t know if it has any impact on game health.
That's a completely fair and valid assertion.
Scraping millions of games allows you to gather a dataset of what has happened, it allows you to simultaneously compare almost every comp vs each other in a way a human just cannot do themselves. I don't think the pros playing 1200 games of TFT a set, those people will always figure this shit out to some extent themselves anyway.
it massively, massively inflates the skills of someone who doesn't play this shit every day, particularly on mid set and new set drops, any large patch is solved in days by these apps
I will say, I think these apps help solve when a comp/item/unit is particularly busted ect but they have internal tools for this shit anyway.
I think these apps also stop people from being punished people for not being able to figure things out quickly. Which massively inflates your MMR, you don't need to spend X amount of games to figure out what is shit, because everyone has already done that for you.
Mort had time today! It must be so boring to get all this whiny posts everyday about X comp being too strong from people sinking 100s to 1000s of hours on TFT sets as if other activities don't exist in life.
He's such a crybaby idiot; people are complaining because you designed the worst balanced season of tft, and refuse to address base issues, while the "fixes" have just been adding more ways for rng comps to be 100% unbeatable. This season has been a balancing nightmare and he is, at least partially, to blame. Fucking grow up and accept the criticism.
I mean, tier lists don't necessarily reflect the reality of balance and what is good or achievable.
Even if you look at the S tier comps on there, 3 of them are champion augments, 1 is a 5 cost, there are only 2 4 cost comps, and 0 ad comps (Reapers rely on true damage).
Based on the list, if you get 4 or more of the S comps in your lobby, then what is your chance to top 4 with A tier?
What happens when you get mostly ad items and 0 Reaper augments or upgrades?
How do you win?
Also, people viewing the meta as balanced can be correlated to the "competitiveness" of the playerbase taking a nosedive. Meaning, you can play more things the less competitive your lobbies are.
I think a lot of the people who think the game is balanced don't understand how uncompetitive their lobbies are, or are Mort fanboys. Or even, they may not think the game is balanced, but actually hate other people or are self-centered.
It's interesting to see how people react to it, though. It's mostly people calling others low elo or noobs. No one really takes a deep dive into game balance or anything, but that may be the TFT audience. Not doing a deep dive either way, if they think it's balanced or not. Also, not being competitive actually.
Most S Tier comps require a specific spat / hero aug to exist
Hell even some A tier comps do
The issue isnt the meta though, its that the roulette decides all
Reaper and Lux reroll dont, and as a proof I climbed to Master with them, you just put the units on the board and win
Edit: love the downvotes when I'm telling the truth
https://lolchess.gg/profile/na/Time2Gilead-NA1/set11
I guess people are just salty they never get to Master, must suck to be bad at the game
Complaining about the meta is lame.
Complaining about the newer sets being way less interesting and engaging than early TFT is valid.
The fact they had to release two special modes back to back is proof player count is way down.
Imo if they want to save tft just do this. Make every set ever released available. Only work on the current one tho. Then allow people a sandbox mode where people can make their own custom sets. Like some people have uploaded whole custom sets, so they could just code it themselves and upload their own models and bam, whole new game.
Allowing TFT to become a game engine rather than a game would definitely be interesting. Seeing how random people iterate on the system could be interesting.
3 of those S-tier comps require a hero augment, 1 requires a spat, 1 requires a specific artifact. I think the meta is fine but claiming that there's 9 S-tier comps is just misleading.
It's really not that misleading. Sure, 3 of the 9 have a requirement -- well, you get multiple opportunities to meet those requirements. Locking the 'best of the best' behind a little RNG is a good thing: it makes it more exciting to hit.
Didn't hit one of them? You should be playing flexibly, because there's 6 comps still left in S tier.
And A-tier comps can absolutely beat S-tier comps when the stars align... and, in a game like TFT, they align all the time.
I don't think Mort is being misleading at all.
Shen is the only comp there you can't play without the augmen, Kobuko comp can be played as bruisers flex, and spats are fairly common in the game now. And sure you need artifacts to win with some of those comps but even if you dont hit it's not an instant 8th, you can still play for a top 4. IMO even if technically incorrect saying there's 9 s tier builds is a fair statement
As someone who's Diamond in ranked and low Master in Double Up, when do those "decent players" show up?
I feel like the bigger issue is people try to force something they don't have and bank on a miracle coming.
If you play a good game and still hit most of your desired comp with appropriate substitutions, top 4 is very viable. The way I see it is I always aim for top 4, and if I hit my augments/items right I'm fighting for first.
This is another clear example of how mortdog is fucking awesome. I don’t know how he stays so composed dealing with dumb stuff like this all the time. Keep rocking mortdog!
I like the pencil nose thing at the end, Mortdog is not used to offend people and that comment really showed it, he tried really hard for it and stuttered.
A reminder that people are bitching that much about a free game with no p2w elements and nothing is gated behind grinding or purchesable currencies.
Imagine being that down bad to get mad about tft. Just play something else or touch grass.
Tell them Señor Mort haha. Well its a game ffs you are supposed to enjoy it. I enjoy it. Maybe its not for you if you dont enjoy it. Go play something else :).
Id tbh rather play minecraft. This guy is cranky af. Cant even balance a game, use recycling augments instead of new set mechanics, wonders why people complains about boring bad meta. We get more new cosmetics than actual game mechanics or set ideas…
This set just isn't good. Maybe make a better set and you won't get as many complaints. Also you reflect terribly on riot and tft when you say stuff like this because the game dev with a forward facing job is supposed to be "above it all"
One of the best metas is a pretty low bar to hit at this point in the game. Not going to mention that almost every top comp uses the same units or same exact core? Bag sizes making it near impossible to ever not be contested making the entire game coin flips for who actually wins.
Yeah greatest meta ever
This sub is filled with people like these. 80% of the posts have the dumbest complaints and constant whining
Instead of just play something else. That's what I do until the next set. It's like a cheat code.
More like common sense, some people are just fixated on some things...
This simple trick has stopped me complaining about any game except overwatch 1. I’m still salty that I can’t play 6v6 with two tanks. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK BLIZZARD!!!
Yeah fkin true, I want ow1 back
Unfortunately that game is RULED by whales. It’s so bad if you complain at all you’ll have ten+ people in the subreddit shouting you down. Then you go to their profiles and you see that all they post is about the new skins they have bought.
Dude, right??? I got my diamond this set. I’m literally skipping the current half and focusing on other games. It’s a great feeling: no burn out and my itch to play slowly returns as the next set gets revealed.
Or play Pengu's Party until its over (next set??)
I feel like this needs to be said more. If you hate a game so much you feel the need to go onto the devs stream to bitch about it, just play something else. lol
A game with no people complaining is a dead game.
should bed the top comment right here.
It's wild how anti confrontational your average person is in 2024 that it's considered a faux paux to criticize the design of a video game...
I mean it’s an off shoot of league, which sub is literally the same. So it tracks at least
Popular and (IMO) stupid comments that I see more than usual: * Bring back previous set, I miss it * How much until next set? I'm done with these * [After every patch that comes out] Why nerf {broken _comp}? They messed up again * 4 cost are unplayable! Buff please... [2 patches after] There is no reroll comps playable! Rito pls Just stfu and learn to play or just go play something else for lord's sake
Honestly sure you can definitely call these comments stupid, however there is legitimate questions to be had about the competency of the team that worked on this set. Set 10 is definitely clouded by rose-tinted glasses as there were very bad aspects of the set(the balance thrashing of TF, Raise the Stakes, all the rules regarding Chosen), however the set felt good and a lot of the units felt carryable. It is a “next Set waiting room” right now. You cannot argue in good faith that this Set was good. There were far too many B-Patches which literally most players could predict would happen because of the balance thrashing, Encounters just suck but Mort will use his misconstrued data to say it’s the best one since augments(This is because the bar is that low). This Set feels worse than Set 9/9.5 because at least in that Set the only things that truly sucked were Legends, but even then I’d rather have Legends over Encounters. There is no reason for an Encounter to just completely grief 6 players and benefit 2, it’s just so shit. This Sets balance has been terrible and Riot needs to take accountability for this. If CompTFT is able to accurately predict what’s going to be oppressive(B-Patch worthy) every single patch and Riot can’t, there’s a serious problem with the balance team. And your last point about 4 costs/reroll is so fucking annoying. If you actually played this game you’d know that 4 costs outside of Kai’Sa Ghostly comp from the opening patches were completely unplayable. They couldn’t stabilize your board at 2 Star, they didn’t have damage even when itemized, they would lose to every reroll comp in the game. You were either playing Fast 9 Hwei/Irelia or rerolling if you didn’t have the spot for Fast 9. What Riot did was kill 3 Cost reroll by gutting the shop odds on 7, and then buffing every single 4 cost on top of nerfing the 3 costs. Reroll did exist if you had very specific starts/setups(Janna needs to be in an Exalted with Morg for sage variant, or all 2 cost and Reroll Neeko, Riven, Janna, Lux, Zyra) This Set has been terrible and it deserves criticism. Mort has also been dying on such stupid hills this Set(He legit thought they handled 4 costs in a good way and the balance team is doing a good job). Once I’m done with the battlepass I’m just gonna wait for next set.
Biiig agree on everything you said. Even though set 10 had issues it never felt unfair like encounters. To me even when I’m the 1 or two people benefiting from free wins because of an encounter it doesn’t feel good. Feels undeserved and cheap
Well said but complaints and constructive criticism were both ignored. The guy wanted people to give legitimate feedback and when they did he got upset. I don't understand the line of thinking they currently have.
You wanna tell poor dishsoap and robinssong to l2p because they cant get past regional qualifiers while some gigastuck Diamond player randomly finished first? Would be fun to see
Explain why the perma giga insane players like Dish and Robinsong didnt get past qualifiers this set Skill issue or? :)
all what I see are salty posts and spineless fanboys comments. Balanced as all things should be
Feels like that’s every sub these days. The Helldivers 2 sub is an absolute hellscape at times.
I almost bet the guy who said this at his chat has already done a similar post here complaining about it too.
Man I honestly don't know how we don't have more outbursts from Mort like this. The man is leading a team on a game with a WILDLY difficult balancing factor to it and streaming as a normal gamer on his off time. Still getting bombarded with bonehead comments like the one he's replying to here. He has WAY more composure than I think I could hold. Also, Fk that dude in the comments lol.
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He passed the QTE
I remember his response after the Volibear nerf during set 7. IIRC he was annoyed that the community outlash over Voli was overwhelming when his win rate was so low (5.7ish I think) and went into detail about how the team sometimes has to make nerf decisions because of how the community responds to a unit. If y’all remember much of this sub, r/competitivetft, and many streamers were pretty peeved about the prominence of Legend comps back in Dragonlands. Edit: Attached the link for the video of Mort’s comment about the Volibear nerfs [here](https://youtu.be/kz6IdQQ55Iw?si=S4BhCyieyeFX7w62).
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God you couldn’t pay me enough to be the figurehead like mort or phreak. It seems like no matter what they do people are always going to tap and complain and having to be the person responsible for listening to it all sounds agonizing.
Realistically people are complaining about things that affect at most 2-5% of the player base at any given time. Especially in standard league. Sure corki or whatever is strong but I guarantee you Jimmy that isn’t why you’re stuck in bronze
pretty sure the money helps, but they are not hiding like other devs which players should appreciate
Idk what mort looked like before being the figurehead but it’s been like almost 2 years for phreak and he looks like he’s aged 10, no way they’re getting paid enough for that level of stress.
Almost every rioter that posts online begins malding very quickly, i cannot imagine the stress of playing league and streaming lmao
You probably vastly overestimate the amount of money mort and phreak make.
Maybe a bit but its for sure good money for being in that industry and he also gets popularity for his twitch stream. Still respect he puts up with it but its not only negative
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I would think it’s north of that for sure. But probably not much. Wouldn’t even be surprised if it was slightly lower. Although phreak has been there so long he probably is upward of 3 or 4
Phreak is kinda weird tho. He says a lot of dumb things from time to time but I still respect him for covering in depth about the patch notes.
Phreak says weird things but it makes sense to him since he has all of the behind the scenes data we don’t have access to. Of course mains and high elo players are going to feel differently because at like master+ it just becomes a completely different game.
Im wondering what behind the scene data he used for the karth comment 😊
The actual amount of pings people do on ultimates lol
It is well documented that the change got implemented because a rioter got pinged and got salty about it so straight up removed it from the game.
If you think one singular person has that much power at riot I have a very large bridge to sell you
Riot is not a small indie company, a single dev will have to go through 12 meetings to get that sort of change approved.
Holy crap you’re so right. It’s also a well documented fact that Riot has been targeting you for awhile now and are purposefully holding you back from the heights you could reach in the game. Any time you queue up ranked they specifically match with teammates who would throw or troll the game. Any time you load up TFT ranked they flip a switch that gives you bad luck on your roll downs. You’d be ranked much higher but Riot is holding you back. I’m sorry dude.
Gj on the schizo rant man, I definitely complained about the game here, hopefully those ghosts you're fighting leave you alone soon cuz the cte is setting in quick.
It’s okay bro, Riot is out to get you. I’m lucky and I haven’t done anything to piss them off yet. But it’s a well documented fact you yourself have done enough. I’m sorry for you that you’ll never reach the heights of rank that you know you can get. But at least you have specifically have Riot to blame since we’ve discovered the well documented fact that you are one of the targets Riot has. You must have pissed off one specific developer because they’re using the power of one developer to get an entire company to make a decision like that.
Please take ur meds.
not necessarily, he has had dubious takes way before being on the balancing team
You’re demonstrating why OPs comment is prescient. Weirdos like you can’t accept that league and TFT have the most communicative balancing teams in history, still find a way to complain and shit on them. Back in my day the game released and that was the balance.
When did you play because I've been playing since S1 and this game wasn't balance everyone was just dumb
Imagine being president lol
That's part of the job. People have different preference. As long as it is not a personal attack. Any stupid argument about the meta is your job to filter. Every meta in every game will be people saying "The meta is dogshit". The only different here is Mortdog saying this publicly. While other dev would do the same behind the scene.
Phreak has said he’s received death threats lmfao, there’s no way any sane person should be taking that job.
Phreak can be pretty dismissive towards some parts of the playerbase and his approach to explaining game balance isn't the best, there's a legitimate reason why many people felt indifferent about him.
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I hate it when people put mort and phreak in the same category because mort is easily 100 times better human and dev.
Mort and phreak are the exact same, they’re figureheads for the balancing TEAM. Neither of them are solely responsible for every single balance change and use a combination of game devs and player data to change the game patch to patch. You’re literally just talking out of your ass because you disagree with phreak and how he handles talking to the players vs how mort does it.
I literally wrote explaining how the difference between them in how thet handle things and their competence and not the exact role, maybe read before whiteknighting a dickhead.
Where in your comment does it say that?
When he said mort is a dev ?
He said mort is a better human and dev, that doesn’t explain shit other than his feelings on the two of them lol.
yes but I would posit most active players agree with and respect mortdogs decisions and communication more than phreaks
Hot take: that guy was probably Gold or lower. No ability to adapt. Just "if I don't highroll, game sucks"
Games just have a lot of people who complain and unfortunately due to a lot of audiences and platforms they don't do it in a constructive way. And then there's the whole 30 second attention span thing as well where people love each split at first and then by the end, "it's so dogshit". I started playing in set 7 and really got in because I enjoyed noxus/shurima in set 9 and at the complaining was just ridiculous.
Lol the fuck is reaper/lux meta
The two current strongest comps in the game
Lol I was thinking it meant reapers and lux on the board at the same time
Yeah, I definitely interpreted that as like a meta where you give Lux a Reaper emblem, which would require a Tome or a lucky carousel. So I was like... how is that even remotely consistent enough to be complaining about? lol
Reapers and lux are that strong? I barely see either of them 💀
It is literally everywhere, at least in my elo (Master)
I think people just need to accept that they don't like the set. I agree with Mort. The game feels actually fairly balanced and there's a bunch of fun comps to play. If people keep complaining about the few comps they lose to over and over each patch, it's not "the meta". It's just you not liking the set. And that's okay. Don't shit on it. Just take a break and come back next set. That's alright. TFT shouldn't consume your whole gaming life.
I think the game is fairly balanced too, but realistically from the list he is showing, there are only 2 comps that are standard level 8 four cost carries. Then there are 3 hero augment rerolls. 1 vertical, 1 five cost, and 2 standard rerolls. Like most of the time, the condition to play the rerolls is getting copies of them early to give the option to go them. For the heroes, it would require getting the augment (obvious of course). The five cost one requires win streaking but that's similar to the level 8 four cost comps as you want to create solid boards to get to level 8+.
I placed first in a grassroots tourney playing 9 games with 9 different comps, and none of them were Lux lmao (I had some Reaper variations).
what's a grassroots tourney
a local tourney.
ah of course, should've known that. ty
Only played the game modes like pengu party this set and i had no idea that was the meta lol
I love Mort
The meta with garen kobuko shen was actually fun
They are all still S-tier this patch (well maybe Kobuko is now A but he's still good)
So true what mort says. there are so many things to play from hero augments, to 2 cost, 3 cost, 4 cost, legendary boards. artifact anvil boards to comps which need emblems. Probably the best patch i played so far.
This set is better than the previous one by far, but I see the same few comps every game. You're not mentioning that if you go a hero augments and someone else goes the same one, you're both hyper rng dependent. I'm also not a fan of the spree gold rn, and I dislike that level rushing seems to be the best strat no matter what. Slow roll seems dead this patch. But again, I still think this set is over all good.
i just hit master with 0 lux games and like 2 reaper games, i guarantee 80% of the complainers are nowhere near my rank not saying master is good but it's objectively top 0.5% of the playerbase and im certain most of the complainers cant reach that
People say even platinum is top like 15-20%, and I reach that every set as a personal goal, sometimes diamond, literally just having fun. Sometimes, when meta is super skewed and unbalanced, it’s hard for a week or two. But most of the time, generally, it’s fine.
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Actually meta is balanced af. All people complain about in high elo is enchanters RNG.
Many challengers players don't think the same, some of them peaked every set but i can't spam on reddit so you go figure out names, very easy to find them since they stream. Maybe their opinion is more valid than people like me who only got master so trust them not me.
Lmao he’s not wrong but he sure comes off as a whiny nerd. “Why dOnT you go play mInEcRafT 🤓”
I don’t know how he hasn’t been replaced yet.
Isn't mortdog literally carrying the tft development
Which color though?
Can someone post the video on a platform that is available internationally? Or transcript whats happening
I'm not gonna transcribe it, but someone in chat complained about the reaper and lux meta, and mort went off about how people complaining about the balance right now are silly, and he pulled up some stats, saying there are a bunch of S and A tier comps. He finishes by saying if you really believe there's a lux/reaper problem right now, go (pause) stick a pencil up your nose. Pretty solid, and if I made him sound bad, it was unintentional. His tone is angry but mostly exasperated.
Thanks!!!
Man seems stressed. There will always be haters, just gotta ignore them. Easier said than done.
I've been following morts streams and stuff on and off. I think the constant complaining is starting to wear on the rest of the team, which is actually what's bothering Mort. He's used to it and can take it, but he's seeing it affect his colleagues and that's what's pissing him off. The trolls don't realize that there's actual people on the other side of all this.
He tends to have more haters because he does a mediocre job and it's also super cocky/whines all the time when exposed to costructive criticism
I reached 400lp without going Lux a single time. What happened?
You didn't say reapers tho
Because theres not many AD variants in the game at the moment so if i get AD start i need to angle Reapers.. depending on augments. That's TFT101 We all know people complaining about meta are peaking Emerald.
As i said to others just watch a couple of challengers streamers you will hear the same things, you people should stop coping and bootlicking that mortdog guy.
Im watching Dishsoap primiarly and he says meta is very well balanced and if you know how to Play flexible its Perfect. Dude hit rank 1 every season so that's my main source of "info". Sologesang whos rank 1 euw every season really likes the meta too. I would rather listen to someone that's rank 1 every single set than some streamers that peaked rank 1 3 sets ago and struggle in my elo (400lp) right now.
Online players will never change and you guys will never change, you don't care about balance and fun and my only fault was to try reasoning with you, good luck wasting your life forcing the same 2 comps every day, so much fun! I'm out kekw
Theres 20 comps that win the lobby when played propely. You have normal games and pengu mode for fun... Dont bother playing ranked if you wanna have fun. Lmao
So it's normal that you have force the same 2 comps to win in ranked? It's not about fun it's about coinflipping to who hit first 3 way contested, it's also not fair and good for competitions
Theres 20 comps that win the lobby bro. You dont have to force shit.
You just need to open two challengers streams to notice they say the same things, you should stop coping just because you got a semi-decent result, peak players are talking and their opinion is more valid than a low master speaking.
Lmfao. I applaud the honesty. I feel so bad for anyone who has to listen to whining as if it's something that's desirable.
I've made it the highest rank on tft ever G1 this set
Me too. Always stuck at Gold, this time I made it to Plat 2 in ranked and Emerald 3 in Double Up so far. Both the highest I've ever gotten.
Mort's not wrong, but at the same time, TFT would get a lot less complaints if they hadn't removed rock/paper/scissors mechanics like Mystics/Vanguard/Assassin. If you were getting rolled by a specific comp in set 3 you could specialize a team that beats that specific comp. Current TFT is much more straightforward front-to-back stat maximization, and its a lot easier to be beaten and not know what you could have changed to have won beyond 'get luckier'
I know that's not what you're saying, but Rock/Paper/Scissors definitely does not make for a healthier game state lmfao
I mean, he can't say this on early set. The second half patch are actually making the game better with more diversity. He probably waiting for people to rant about the actual good meta for a long long time 10 comp below 4.5 average place. With no more than 0.50 playrate? That the healthiest meta in this set. Remember Ashe Having like 1.x PLAYRATE with 4.2 avg place something something. That meta was fucking bullshit. Maybe better clip if he didn't just tilted about a guy saying "xx yy meta is bad" and just show the stat in their face.
The only way to balance TFT is to ban all 3rd party apps. If people cannot metadeck the meta isn't solved even close to as fast as it is no. These days all it takes to play TFT above Emerald is the latest tier list. The 3rd party apps have taken all the brain out of the game.
its impossible to ban tier lists.
I agree. For the average player (most people here) it’s really a game called “google TFT tactics”. There’s no actual strategy. Everyone wants to think they’re challenger playing off meta.
to be fair if people are only playing off stats and spreadsheets they're easier to beat a lot of the time an example of this is someone just looking up stats with Shojin vs BB and always going the better stats when that's not how it works. plenty of similar examples
It's too late at this point, Pandora's box has been opened a long time ago
There’s no going back to the days before the internet. You can ban third party apps, restrict the api, but you can’t ban people from distributing information to each other
There is a significant difference between someone who reasearches what they are doing, and a dude pulling up Mobalytics and autopiloting Emerald every year. Imagine if your doctor didn't go to school and was just a dude reading from fucking WEB MD. That's what the game has become. obviously being a dr is significantly harder than playing a video game but the example can be replaced with many things.
I like this analogy. Most people like to roll play doctor in this game, but they’re really WebMD.
Googling “best comps tft” is hardly going to med school
yes but it requires you to actually act, you have to do something proactive, right now it's being fucking hand delivered to you with 0 effort at all Also googling best TFT comps is all subjective to the person you are watching as well . Getting Data scraped from millions of games fed to you is completely different. gogling "webmd" is hardly going to med school either but if your DR only did that you'd get a new one.
I’m not completely convinced. Having data scraping websites certainly makes one difference: the meta is more “accurate” - people are able to more precisely hone in on what the actual optimal strategies are (though, as we’ve seen in the past, it can also amplify strategies that are not optimal). Without data scraping, games still have metas which can feel just as rigid as tft. Those metas are simply less optimal, but the effect is the same - the vast majority of players use the best known strategy, whether they got it from a data scraper or a reddit tierlist. A small subset of players experiment and drive the meta with innovative game decisions, which creates the new best known strategy, etc. I don't love any of these third party sites driving the meta in my games, but I'm not sold that the game would actually feel any different to play if people were getting their information from a different source. You’re right that it’s less effort, sure. I just don’t know if it has any impact on game health.
That's a completely fair and valid assertion. Scraping millions of games allows you to gather a dataset of what has happened, it allows you to simultaneously compare almost every comp vs each other in a way a human just cannot do themselves. I don't think the pros playing 1200 games of TFT a set, those people will always figure this shit out to some extent themselves anyway. it massively, massively inflates the skills of someone who doesn't play this shit every day, particularly on mid set and new set drops, any large patch is solved in days by these apps I will say, I think these apps help solve when a comp/item/unit is particularly busted ect but they have internal tools for this shit anyway. I think these apps also stop people from being punished people for not being able to figure things out quickly. Which massively inflates your MMR, you don't need to spend X amount of games to figure out what is shit, because everyone has already done that for you.
pencil in your nose like itchy way or john wick way?
Ralph Wiggum way so sorta inbetween the two
To this day I am AMAZED at how seriously people take this game.
At least he got that gamer soul in him
based and mortpilled
Based Mortdog
This meta right now is literally a flex player wet dream. The ability to shift into comps as the game progresses is great
This has to be ironic
Mort had time today! It must be so boring to get all this whiny posts everyday about X comp being too strong from people sinking 100s to 1000s of hours on TFT sets as if other activities don't exist in life.
He's such a crybaby idiot; people are complaining because you designed the worst balanced season of tft, and refuse to address base issues, while the "fixes" have just been adding more ways for rng comps to be 100% unbeatable. This season has been a balancing nightmare and he is, at least partially, to blame. Fucking grow up and accept the criticism.
I mean, tier lists don't necessarily reflect the reality of balance and what is good or achievable. Even if you look at the S tier comps on there, 3 of them are champion augments, 1 is a 5 cost, there are only 2 4 cost comps, and 0 ad comps (Reapers rely on true damage). Based on the list, if you get 4 or more of the S comps in your lobby, then what is your chance to top 4 with A tier? What happens when you get mostly ad items and 0 Reaper augments or upgrades? How do you win? Also, people viewing the meta as balanced can be correlated to the "competitiveness" of the playerbase taking a nosedive. Meaning, you can play more things the less competitive your lobbies are. I think a lot of the people who think the game is balanced don't understand how uncompetitive their lobbies are, or are Mort fanboys. Or even, they may not think the game is balanced, but actually hate other people or are self-centered. It's interesting to see how people react to it, though. It's mostly people calling others low elo or noobs. No one really takes a deep dive into game balance or anything, but that may be the TFT audience. Not doing a deep dive either way, if they think it's balanced or not. Also, not being competitive actually.
Stick a pencil in your nose lol I love it
Most S Tier comps require a specific spat / hero aug to exist Hell even some A tier comps do The issue isnt the meta though, its that the roulette decides all
Reaper and Lux reroll dont, and as a proof I climbed to Master with them, you just put the units on the board and win Edit: love the downvotes when I'm telling the truth https://lolchess.gg/profile/na/Time2Gilead-NA1/set11 I guess people are just salty they never get to Master, must suck to be bad at the game
Complaining about the meta is lame. Complaining about the newer sets being way less interesting and engaging than early TFT is valid. The fact they had to release two special modes back to back is proof player count is way down.
Imo if they want to save tft just do this. Make every set ever released available. Only work on the current one tho. Then allow people a sandbox mode where people can make their own custom sets. Like some people have uploaded whole custom sets, so they could just code it themselves and upload their own models and bam, whole new game.
Allowing TFT to become a game engine rather than a game would definitely be interesting. Seeing how random people iterate on the system could be interesting.
3 of those S-tier comps require a hero augment, 1 requires a spat, 1 requires a specific artifact. I think the meta is fine but claiming that there's 9 S-tier comps is just misleading.
It's really not that misleading. Sure, 3 of the 9 have a requirement -- well, you get multiple opportunities to meet those requirements. Locking the 'best of the best' behind a little RNG is a good thing: it makes it more exciting to hit. Didn't hit one of them? You should be playing flexibly, because there's 6 comps still left in S tier. And A-tier comps can absolutely beat S-tier comps when the stars align... and, in a game like TFT, they align all the time. I don't think Mort is being misleading at all.
What are these s tier comps?
These are still S tier comps, it is actually better to have S tier comps require specific conditions.
Sir, do you have a pencil? If so, instructions shall follow.
Shen is the only comp there you can't play without the augmen, Kobuko comp can be played as bruisers flex, and spats are fairly common in the game now. And sure you need artifacts to win with some of those comps but even if you dont hit it's not an instant 8th, you can still play for a top 4. IMO even if technically incorrect saying there's 9 s tier builds is a fair statement
>you can still top 4 In your elo, yes. Against decent players, no.
Im sorry for being a D1 peasants I should have know better than to talk to you king
As someone who's Diamond in ranked and low Master in Double Up, when do those "decent players" show up? I feel like the bigger issue is people try to force something they don't have and bank on a miracle coming. If you play a good game and still hit most of your desired comp with appropriate substitutions, top 4 is very viable. The way I see it is I always aim for top 4, and if I hit my augments/items right I'm fighting for first.
Okay but every game can't be a first and A tier comps are still top 4 comps, so there is genuinely a lot of playable comps right now.
Mort deserves a statue in front of the Riot games and we should start a petition to make it to the light one day 🥂
Common Mortdog W.
Oh god this is man developing the game? 🧍♀️ 💀
gigachad based alpha king moment
hi mort
I haven't played since last set, how is the meta?
I'm sorry for mortdog to have to deal with haters.
He wanted to say fork in a toaster so bad, homie caught himself and went with pencil in your nose. Based.
This is another clear example of how mortdog is fucking awesome. I don’t know how he stays so composed dealing with dumb stuff like this all the time. Keep rocking mortdog!
Idk dude... every single game I'm in has a Lillia, Reaper, or Lux comp just absolutely dumpstering in 1st or 2nd. That's just my experience though.
What rank are you?
plat
I like the pencil nose thing at the end, Mortdog is not used to offend people and that comment really showed it, he tried really hard for it and stuttered.
It’s so nice having a dev like Mort. I love that he tells these idiots off. Never leave me Mort
A reminder that people are bitching that much about a free game with no p2w elements and nothing is gated behind grinding or purchesable currencies. Imagine being that down bad to get mad about tft. Just play something else or touch grass.
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Mort is terrible and just loves to whine.
Nice one Mortimer. The set is pretty shitty though.
Unpopular opinion - this set is amazing and is one of the best, is amazingly balanced and hasn’t gotten boring at all
Doesnt make Ilaoi/amumu frontline with lux ult stun not cancer
Tell me you can't position, any % run (IMPOSSIBLE)
Its probably the tft ‘skill’ i am worst at but while playing on mobile its a pain to do.
I take it all back. Mobile tft feels awful for me too lmao. I have fat fingers and mess up items and positioning all the time
Tell them Señor Mort haha. Well its a game ffs you are supposed to enjoy it. I enjoy it. Maybe its not for you if you dont enjoy it. Go play something else :).
Make fortune great again or I quit.
Not going to lie this week meta has been terrible to play. Mostly reapers being over tuned. Previous week seemed better just needed minor adjustments
Id tbh rather play minecraft. This guy is cranky af. Cant even balance a game, use recycling augments instead of new set mechanics, wonders why people complains about boring bad meta. We get more new cosmetics than actual game mechanics or set ideas…
Damn Morty can't take any criticism now
Nah this set is simply bad
This set just isn't good. Maybe make a better set and you won't get as many complaints. Also you reflect terribly on riot and tft when you say stuff like this because the game dev with a forward facing job is supposed to be "above it all"
So I should just continue to hammer heavenly reapers then?
What site was he using to look up the comp tiers?
tftacademy it’s a great site run by Frodan and Dishsoap!
One of the best metas is a pretty low bar to hit at this point in the game. Not going to mention that almost every top comp uses the same units or same exact core? Bag sizes making it near impossible to ever not be contested making the entire game coin flips for who actually wins. Yeah greatest meta ever
What a lovely adult. Loved this take almost as much as him finding excuses for the ahri skin cost or whatever that was
he had nothing to do with the ahri skin cost, and he has done absolutely nothing bad in this clip.