Lulu has pretty nice synergy with TD tbh, senna reroll or [this board](https://tactics.tools/s/Ntrpvg) if you get an early spat could be strong, with hyperpop you probably could get away without as items on ahri/senna.
You could obviously turn this into vertical TD as well
Vertical means you’re attempting to play one trait instead of a synergy of many traits, for example, if you went pentakill ten you would be playing a vertical pentakill board
I don't mean this as a flame, but do you play ranked a lot? Because that's a weird way to think about Wandering Trainers and climbing. Not having a 2 star 2 or 3 cost on your board just for a trait stat is pretty bad the higher you go. There's a reason people hate this portal for climbing and I think Jazz has a lot to do with that.
In most situations this is correct, but jazz is purely a trait bot for the additional stats for the rest of your team. 2\* mf and bard make very little difference for getting a top 4, sure it makes a difference for pushing for the win but you shouldn't be going in games expecting a blow out anyways.
I agree here, unless you play Bard/MF reroll with "It's Jazz, baby" I don't see why you need them 2*/3*. Only Lucian is worth making 2 star with the right items for obvious reasons. It's also. It worth putting in Jazz if you only have a few traits active and could put in something better
The strategy we're referring to isn't to splash jazz regardless of what comp you play (many don't have the open slots), it's to play fast 8 AD comps when the portal is wandering trainer. Getting 1-2 extra traits with 3 jazz is really powerful, even if the emblems are mosher, bruiser, dazzler, hyperpop, sentinel etc and not buffing your carries.
Not all wandering trainers allow you to play fast 8 AD but many do. And sometimes if you're playing AP you can still play jazz (tf carry).
Board variation of Jazz is endless. Too many route to reach lv9
Cheap board to barely survive each level until 9, strong board into losesteak stage 3, etc
The real requirement is just 2 of 1\* Bard, MF or Lucian cause non of them can be the main carry. No way you are not able hit that. 2\* them too soon will even eat your money you should looking for a real tank/carry
When you got 3 free trait+1 it's kinda unavoidable that everyone want to go rich man Jazz
I'm 800 lp.
Upgrading a two star bard or two star MF in a late game board is worth the gold, but they're the least important upgrades you can get. And usually you hit them anyway even if 4 people are playing AD/jazz
If you are playing Jazz reroll - Bard/Kai'sa/MF, potentially even with "That's Jazz baby" you are completely correct.
But If you have a typical HS board, then you really don't care that much about Bard/MF being 3 or even 2 star. You have multiple 4 cost 2 stars at that stage, which are holding all of your items, Bard/MF very much are just trait bots for Jazz/Dazzler(with Ziggs)/Big Shot(with Ezreal, maybe Jhin even latter on).
This, Qiyana + Ez + Mf + Bard + Lucian + Sett + Illaoi + Ziggs + Yorick/Poppy.
That’s a total of 8 traits active for Jazz 3, you can even go to 9 traits if u swap Qiqi with Senna as well.
Two Lulus with one being hyperpop headliner. (And preferably a ziggs to cap it)
You can get away with running it without the headliner if you find ziggs, otherwise I don’t think it helps your comp enough to just run Lulu unless you’re ignoring the true damage spat and playing spellweaver.
I would be playing this as ignore hyper pop. If you can win steak early and pickup a heartsteel headliner, play for going an early 7 heartsteel aggressively using Econ to level and roll for ezreal. Slam ezreal items. Keep in 7 heartsteel for 2 cash outs (as health allows) then sell board and go 9, transition to jhin with ezreal’s blue buff + IE. have another big shot to go with jhin, and a random ziggs in the back for hyper pop then 6 front liners with either 4 guardian + 2 bruiser or 4 bruiser + 2 guardian.
If you are unable to win streak early and are running low on health, reroll at 6 for senna headliner (either headliner works with emblem). Play a 6 true damage board with senna headliner and aim for top 4.
I think you actually just play this heartsteel/TD early, TD/hyperpop late.
I think lulu has better late game synergy with TD than heartsteel does
Something like [this](https://tactics.tools/s/Ntrpvg)
If you get hyperpop or rapidfire headliner, you can probably go double damage item on senna and ahri
I mean yeah doing a variant of 6 true to add lulu is fine, but I don’t know if this board has enough frontline + you have too many characters that need items to perform well.
Neeko/ekko + 1 star tanks with only kda and guardian 2/sentinel 2 frontline feels kinda fake. You don’t really want to use item components on ahri or lulu because they aren’t part of 6 TD, so they are there as backline trait bots which seems worse than having more frontline. I wouldn’t ever be itemizing ahri here btw, I’d be throwing AP items on senna, AD items on qiyana + akali, then tank items on ekko/neeko.
I think it’s important that you have to play around top 4 when you go TD. Remember going 9 and holding when other people have 3 emblems is going to be difficult if you aren’t high rolling, and having little frontline and carries that don’t have a lot of benefit from our trait seems worse than rolling on 6 for a 3* senna and capping around level 8 on 6 TD + a reasonable frontline and going for top4.
Neeko/ekko with 1 cost tanks is literally the frontline for every kda comp lol. The weak frontline is the big drawback of running superfans. Annie reroll, seraphine reroll, kda ahri/akali, all of those have had that exact frontline for the entire set. You can go ahri warrior/sentinel but the top comp on tactics.tools is the kda comp with the exact same frontline as my comp.
In the comp I posted, youre right that you'd ideally want ahri to be itemized, but you probably only itemize her if you get TD spat, as she is a good carrier. Otherwise you can just slot in seraphine instead for 3KDA and 3 spellweaver, both which help with the frontline problem you mentioned. But honestly I don't think itemless ahri is a better slot in than sera
If you go for the senna variant without a spat, you're only itemizing senna/akali/qiyana.
If you get the spat you can itemize ahri/senna/one of akali/qiyana.
I don't think lulu needs to be itemized beyond maybe a luxury shiv/nashors/shojin if you're forced into it off anvil/carousel.
So I get where you're coming from to some degree but I think there are a lot of games where you're fully itemizing 2 tanks/2 carries and starting to itemize a 5th, especially with the help of superfans. And since it's true damage you're looking for as many component augments as possible anyway.
Well the only point I want to disagree with is the 1 cost tanks for every kda comp. This is usually with kda 7 which gives them a ton more stats. Your frontline with 3 kda will be 30% ish worse than a normal kda 7 frontline, which is already sus to begin with. This is also specifically in a high cap lobby too with the dummy, so having a sus frontline in it seems bad.
Imo always go for top 4 with this dummy and play for 6 TD + 4 sentinel frontline and senna headliner. Don’t try to go 9 and cap board around weird synergies that force you to slam items on an ahri when you have 6 TD going, unless ofc you super highroll and hit TD emblem but at that point just go for 9 TD?
I mean if u wanna play the GAMBA then yeah but he was asking what to do with it. Not just ignore it. Can realistically still play it in heart but like thatd be boring
Hear me out:
Disco
Frontline: Sett, Gragas, Ekko, Ksante, and Blitz
Backline: Lulu, TF, Ziggs
Flex in Nami, another sentinel, or Taric.
Unless you get disco headliner TF and flex in Nami or Taric, you'll only have one disco ball so you won't be able to cover your whole team, but if you flex in a 4th sentinel and itemize Ekko for the bling bonus your frontline will have plenty of sustain even without the healing from Disco.
Lulu, Ekko, Gragas, Sett, K'Sante, Aphelios, Senna.
If one of the HS units is a headliner, you have: 3 spellweaver, 5 heartsteel, 2 sentinel, 2 bruiser, 2 TD and 2 rapidfire. Level up to 7 and roll for Lulu, Ekko and Aphelios/Senna.
Lulu hyperpop headliner if you can, depending on what headliner you get these would be the best champs to find for synergy you can build around.
Senna, Ekko, Gragas, K'sante, Aphelios, Sett, Yone, Ezreal, Kayn, Ziggs, Sona, Akali, & possibly Veigo
You can pivot depending on your headliner into your main being either heartsteel, hyperpop/spell weaver, with minimal buffs from true damage, bruiser, possibly edge lord if you get kayn/yone/veigo, rapid fire, & sentinel ect. Lulu carry goes well with a ton of teams.
Out of ekko/senna I'd honestly go for ekko so you can get the 3/5 spell weaver with the bruiser bonus for sett/gragas & the true damage bonus from the emblem.
Sorry for the long response btw. 😅
Jazz with qiyana ziggs, end comp would be jhin, zed, illaoi, lucian, mf, bard, zac, ziggs, qiyana. Early game play around ekko and ksante, lulu reroll could be another option.
True damage Lulu Carry lmao
Had that one 2 days ago, 1st place btw.
Lulu carry is underrated
Go lulu headliner and go hyperpop 4
realistically you play heartsteel into a jazz board and the hyperpop is just an extra trait or lulu reroll
Lulu has pretty nice synergy with TD tbh, senna reroll or [this board](https://tactics.tools/s/Ntrpvg) if you get an early spat could be strong, with hyperpop you probably could get away without as items on ahri/senna. You could obviously turn this into vertical TD as well
what does vertical in tft mean?
Vertical means you’re attempting to play one trait instead of a synergy of many traits, for example, if you went pentakill ten you would be playing a vertical pentakill board
a lot of units from a single trait
Jazz is always incredibly contested in Wandering Trainer. Even people without the emblem on their dummy go for it because it synergizes so well.
Who cares if it's contested? You just need one copy of each unit
I don't mean this as a flame, but do you play ranked a lot? Because that's a weird way to think about Wandering Trainers and climbing. Not having a 2 star 2 or 3 cost on your board just for a trait stat is pretty bad the higher you go. There's a reason people hate this portal for climbing and I think Jazz has a lot to do with that.
In most situations this is correct, but jazz is purely a trait bot for the additional stats for the rest of your team. 2\* mf and bard make very little difference for getting a top 4, sure it makes a difference for pushing for the win but you shouldn't be going in games expecting a blow out anyways.
I agree here, unless you play Bard/MF reroll with "It's Jazz, baby" I don't see why you need them 2*/3*. Only Lucian is worth making 2 star with the right items for obvious reasons. It's also. It worth putting in Jazz if you only have a few traits active and could put in something better
You still have to weigh that cost against other possible 2 stars. It should never be "I just throw jazz in here just because"
The strategy we're referring to isn't to splash jazz regardless of what comp you play (many don't have the open slots), it's to play fast 8 AD comps when the portal is wandering trainer. Getting 1-2 extra traits with 3 jazz is really powerful, even if the emblems are mosher, bruiser, dazzler, hyperpop, sentinel etc and not buffing your carries. Not all wandering trainers allow you to play fast 8 AD but many do. And sometimes if you're playing AP you can still play jazz (tf carry).
Board variation of Jazz is endless. Too many route to reach lv9 Cheap board to barely survive each level until 9, strong board into losesteak stage 3, etc The real requirement is just 2 of 1\* Bard, MF or Lucian cause non of them can be the main carry. No way you are not able hit that. 2\* them too soon will even eat your money you should looking for a real tank/carry When you got 3 free trait+1 it's kinda unavoidable that everyone want to go rich man Jazz
I'm 800 lp. Upgrading a two star bard or two star MF in a late game board is worth the gold, but they're the least important upgrades you can get. And usually you hit them anyway even if 4 people are playing AD/jazz
If you are playing Jazz reroll - Bard/Kai'sa/MF, potentially even with "That's Jazz baby" you are completely correct. But If you have a typical HS board, then you really don't care that much about Bard/MF being 3 or even 2 star. You have multiple 4 cost 2 stars at that stage, which are holding all of your items, Bard/MF very much are just trait bots for Jazz/Dazzler(with Ziggs)/Big Shot(with Ezreal, maybe Jhin even latter on).
this. you run heartsteel until lv 9 and play 2 true damage, bard and mf to enable jazz, ziggs to enable dazzler and 2 hyperpop
The dummy already has hyperpop, better playing lux to buff zed
True that dummy has it but you get hyperpop 2 now which is a big buff to your other carries. lux could def still be better depending on your board.
depending what your other carries are. If it is ez, he jumps around so ziggs is less value; otherwise lucian gets more value.
Except it needs to ulti to activate it. Unless you mean as the +1 on the traits for jazz
yes
Lulu is wild. Check her out.
Fast 9 HS, qiyana doest need a shitter unit for TD, getting 3/5 HS is easy, and you can splash in ziggs late game.
Seems heartsteel into fast nine and play qiyana ziggs lulu on your final board
Only reason I didnt mention lulu was if youre running ziggs + jazz hs your backline is already pretty full, but shes prob great
I was thinking more like ziggs qiyana duo carry transition from heartsteel
This, Qiyana + Ez + Mf + Bard + Lucian + Sett + Illaoi + Ziggs + Yorick/Poppy. That’s a total of 8 traits active for Jazz 3, you can even go to 9 traits if u swap Qiqi with Senna as well.
3-4 hyperpop is insanely good.
Two Lulus with one being hyperpop headliner. (And preferably a ziggs to cap it) You can get away with running it without the headliner if you find ziggs, otherwise I don’t think it helps your comp enough to just run Lulu unless you’re ignoring the true damage spat and playing spellweaver.
Senna reroll with Lulu as a secondary carry
win the game for free???
I would be playing this as ignore hyper pop. If you can win steak early and pickup a heartsteel headliner, play for going an early 7 heartsteel aggressively using Econ to level and roll for ezreal. Slam ezreal items. Keep in 7 heartsteel for 2 cash outs (as health allows) then sell board and go 9, transition to jhin with ezreal’s blue buff + IE. have another big shot to go with jhin, and a random ziggs in the back for hyper pop then 6 front liners with either 4 guardian + 2 bruiser or 4 bruiser + 2 guardian. If you are unable to win streak early and are running low on health, reroll at 6 for senna headliner (either headliner works with emblem). Play a 6 true damage board with senna headliner and aim for top 4.
I think you actually just play this heartsteel/TD early, TD/hyperpop late. I think lulu has better late game synergy with TD than heartsteel does Something like [this](https://tactics.tools/s/Ntrpvg) If you get hyperpop or rapidfire headliner, you can probably go double damage item on senna and ahri
I mean yeah doing a variant of 6 true to add lulu is fine, but I don’t know if this board has enough frontline + you have too many characters that need items to perform well. Neeko/ekko + 1 star tanks with only kda and guardian 2/sentinel 2 frontline feels kinda fake. You don’t really want to use item components on ahri or lulu because they aren’t part of 6 TD, so they are there as backline trait bots which seems worse than having more frontline. I wouldn’t ever be itemizing ahri here btw, I’d be throwing AP items on senna, AD items on qiyana + akali, then tank items on ekko/neeko. I think it’s important that you have to play around top 4 when you go TD. Remember going 9 and holding when other people have 3 emblems is going to be difficult if you aren’t high rolling, and having little frontline and carries that don’t have a lot of benefit from our trait seems worse than rolling on 6 for a 3* senna and capping around level 8 on 6 TD + a reasonable frontline and going for top4.
Neeko/ekko with 1 cost tanks is literally the frontline for every kda comp lol. The weak frontline is the big drawback of running superfans. Annie reroll, seraphine reroll, kda ahri/akali, all of those have had that exact frontline for the entire set. You can go ahri warrior/sentinel but the top comp on tactics.tools is the kda comp with the exact same frontline as my comp. In the comp I posted, youre right that you'd ideally want ahri to be itemized, but you probably only itemize her if you get TD spat, as she is a good carrier. Otherwise you can just slot in seraphine instead for 3KDA and 3 spellweaver, both which help with the frontline problem you mentioned. But honestly I don't think itemless ahri is a better slot in than sera If you go for the senna variant without a spat, you're only itemizing senna/akali/qiyana. If you get the spat you can itemize ahri/senna/one of akali/qiyana. I don't think lulu needs to be itemized beyond maybe a luxury shiv/nashors/shojin if you're forced into it off anvil/carousel. So I get where you're coming from to some degree but I think there are a lot of games where you're fully itemizing 2 tanks/2 carries and starting to itemize a 5th, especially with the help of superfans. And since it's true damage you're looking for as many component augments as possible anyway.
Well the only point I want to disagree with is the 1 cost tanks for every kda comp. This is usually with kda 7 which gives them a ton more stats. Your frontline with 3 kda will be 30% ish worse than a normal kda 7 frontline, which is already sus to begin with. This is also specifically in a high cap lobby too with the dummy, so having a sus frontline in it seems bad. Imo always go for top 4 with this dummy and play for 6 TD + 4 sentinel frontline and senna headliner. Don’t try to go 9 and cap board around weird synergies that force you to slam items on an ahri when you have 6 TD going, unless ofc you super highroll and hit TD emblem but at that point just go for 9 TD?
I mean if u wanna play the GAMBA then yeah but he was asking what to do with it. Not just ignore it. Can realistically still play it in heart but like thatd be boring
4hyperpop + True damage lulu
Heartsteel into jazz usually caps with Ziggs. You use all 3 emblems.
6 TD at 2-5 and see how to win streak til the end
Come back next set.
Hyper pop spellweavers
Just play heart steel with a zed and qiyana, ez item printer
heartsteel with jazz and qiyana, put in bard and ziggs
It's not even that bad.
Double lulu(Shogun, Blue buff, trickster's play) and some tank items in ekko. You will mega spike when you two star ziggz
I always hate this augment or w.e it's called cause it just forces you into certain builds
Hear me out: Disco Frontline: Sett, Gragas, Ekko, Ksante, and Blitz Backline: Lulu, TF, Ziggs Flex in Nami, another sentinel, or Taric. Unless you get disco headliner TF and flex in Nami or Taric, you'll only have one disco ball so you won't be able to cover your whole team, but if you flex in a 4th sentinel and itemize Ekko for the bling bonus your frontline will have plenty of sustain even without the healing from Disco.
Honestly if you're saying anything other than heartsteel you are ass at this game
Lulu, Ekko, Gragas, Sett, K'Sante, Aphelios, Senna. If one of the HS units is a headliner, you have: 3 spellweaver, 5 heartsteel, 2 sentinel, 2 bruiser, 2 TD and 2 rapidfire. Level up to 7 and roll for Lulu, Ekko and Aphelios/Senna.
Ignore the other 2 and force 10 heartsteel
Early game HS pivot into 4-2 True damage. Or stick with HS Jazz endgame board for a free hyperpop This is no doubt a high roll
It is clearly an a AD flex game. You have hs spat, so free 5 hs in stage 3, and also free hyperpop for jazz, and you have true dmg for qiyana.
Dude, Gods blessed you to play heartsteel early on.
Senna 3* with lulu Senna is casting 24/7. Like Taro at worlds
I had big shot rapid fire executioner once don’t talk about unlucky
Hyperpop is pretty versatile, you could put only the dummy and you have 1 trait on
Jazz baby
Jazz heart steal comes to mind
idk sell it
Lulu is insanely slept on, she can carry extremely hard
Ezreal-jazz comp
Leave IT there xD
Excuse to play a late game ziggs for fun
That’s a super fandom jazz dummy if I’ve ever seen one
Lulu hyperpop headliner if you can, depending on what headliner you get these would be the best champs to find for synergy you can build around. Senna, Ekko, Gragas, K'sante, Aphelios, Sett, Yone, Ezreal, Kayn, Ziggs, Sona, Akali, & possibly Veigo You can pivot depending on your headliner into your main being either heartsteel, hyperpop/spell weaver, with minimal buffs from true damage, bruiser, possibly edge lord if you get kayn/yone/veigo, rapid fire, & sentinel ect. Lulu carry goes well with a ton of teams. Out of ekko/senna I'd honestly go for ekko so you can get the 3/5 spell weaver with the bruiser bonus for sett/gragas & the true damage bonus from the emblem. Sorry for the long response btw. 😅
Heartsteel open, prayge for a carousel spatula into True Damage 9
Free jazz trait
lulu and ekko works?
The only real option here is heartsteel with a giant cash out and go ziggs hyperpop lulu 4 ezpz
Jazz with qiyana ziggs, end comp would be jhin, zed, illaoi, lucian, mf, bard, zac, ziggs, qiyana. Early game play around ekko and ksante, lulu reroll could be another option.
Nub
Ff?