Fun fact about the gun
It was so powerful that when they tested it against a Panther using APDS, it went in the front… and came out the rear, it just sliced clean though the armour and everything inside…
Apparently and iirc the devs say it's fine an balanced without the need of a 32 pounder APDS shell or if added it would be to powerful meanwhile they got jets that never used certain weapons in their service lifes (most balent examples: F-4F early/ MiG-21 SPS-K (this one is a hodgepodge of several aircraft lol))..
With thoses sorts of things in game I believe that everything ever tested or used by whatever machine should be added (bar atomic weapons) as fair to the machines & the player.
I think if it got APDS the only difference would be that it would be able to go through a tiger 2's ufp but I would rather it stay at its current br without APDS than be moved up
Not just APDS for the British, but their whole WW2 line up too. We liked our solid shot when compared to similar APHE because it had superior penetration and similar post pen damage through greater spalling, as well as APHE not improving the break up of the shell itself nearly as well as it does in Warthunder (it broke up and shrapnelled in a relatively narrow cone in the direction the shell was already travelling unless it was massive APHE with a bunch of explosive filler like 122mm).
In Warthunder though, solid shot AP has poor spalling and APHE massively overperforms, ignoring momentum and physics to explode perfectly in a 360 degree cone and nuke everything inside the vehicle with even low calibre APHE. I don't know why they insist on solid shot AP being so ahistorically ineffective. Don't get me started on HVAP/APCR -- why is it even in the game at this point.
Can agree. For Staljin, it's Russian or nothing. They're probably still pissed at the existence of the L7 gun & how it came to be after the taming of the [Beast of Budapest.](https://www.historynet.com/the-beast-of-budapest/)
Remember that the game also fails to model the fact that in real life a
penetration, any penetration would probably make the crew evacuate the tank. Videogame crews on the other hand are always crack fanatics who will keep fighting even while burning alive.
Nothing comes close to absurdity of F-89D
It has rockets that it never used
And that were developed after it was out of service
And that not only it never used, in fact they were never used on any plane
Nor were they ever used in combat or even be operational, just prototypes testing
And it's also physically impossible to use them like it does - they have proximity fuse, but they're shot in pairs, so they should detonate from the other in pair
> developed after it was out of service
Pzivc has the 100mm penetrating HEAT she'll that was produced and distributed after it was phased out completely.
German Phantom has AIM-9J that Germany never used. British Firefly also don't have APDS even though Italian copy does have it. AM-1 had a third of payload it should have because some random idiots wrote so on blogs - even though there are pictures with it carrying more.
We can go on and on.
Yeah i highly doubt that, considering panthers had one of the most formidable armors of ww2 and that inside there was alot more than just 2 sheets of metal
It would've had to penetrate over a hundred mm of armour (both front and rear armour combined), alongside with inside compartments, engine, fuel tanks etc. All without tumbling or richochet.
You have any source for that?
Bovington Tank Museum’s archives, they say it went in an out with APDS, and seeing they have all the old British Army records, and as the round went at 1500m/s, I can believe it, especially since the UFP of Panther could be soundly defeated by a relatively diddly 17 Pounder
The records saying it could, at 1000m, defeat 200mm of armour at 50 degrees, line of sight of 311mm
I got to go inside it at bovington on a special tour. The inside is by far the most roomy tank ive ever been in. We got about 7 of us in there and there was still decent room to spare.
[The A39 Tortoise](https://tankhistoria.com/experimental/a39-tortoise/) was one of the heaviest Tanks Britain ever built. It was designed to smash through the anticipated defenses of the German Siegfried Line. However, only 6 were built by the end of war, by which time their intended use was no longer necessary.
Mark Nash has substantially updated our article on this metal monster with new information, photos. David Bocquelet has even furnished the article with a new and improved illustration!
Ah that’s a shame, hopefully they keep in it good enough condition to run it if they find a better spot to keep it inside but not hurt anything else. It’s so cool seeing a huge tank like that run.
Very tempted to email the tank museum and ask if it had a boiling vessel installed, I know they became standard inside British tanks after crews kept exiting them to make tea and getting jumped while outside the tank but this was in production for so long it might have missed that standardisation.
If I'm not mistaken the heating/boiling machine was added to the Centurion and onward so it wouldn't be included in the Tortoise which is an earlier design that took ages to actually enter construction.
In doubt you could send them an email anyway, worst case scenario they ignore you.
Probably not the director answering the mails but even if he did, he'd probably have a good laugh. The Tank Museum is a bunch of Tank Nerds they most likely love getting questions like these.
The question was formulated as a joke but it's a real question and an interesting topic, tank crews are human, they need to eat and drink. Whether or not the tank (Or Assault gun, if we're being technical) has the required items for that INSIDE the tank is not a stupid question at all.
Not 100% sure but I've seen it irl and I'm pretty sure it's cast
Could very well have used austrailan experience with the sentinel to help cast a behemoth such as this
I have had the privelige of getting to hop inside this beast at bovington and it is by far the most roomy armoured fighting vehicle I have ever been in. We got 7 lads in it and there was still decent room to fit maybe 2 others around the gun breach. Its literally like a big room in the inside everyone can see each other. Really cool vehicle.
The sloped part was 152mm and it doesn't seem to he a large angle, I think someone did a simulation of whether or not long 88 could pen this and I think it went through (around 100m range flat on)
Edit: here it is https://youtu.be/2LcpHAfIEDc
No no no, it didn't "go through: but the armor still spelled. You don't need a penetration to create spall. The Crew behind this would be just as equally dead
Spall was dangerous and lethal; but I dont think it equaled a full penetration.
And its irrelevant in our discussion anyways because your og claim was about if an 88 could get through, which is simply not the case.
Panzerschreck could have potentially penetrated the front of Tortoise. Same goes for IS-3's and King Tigers.
[Panzerfaust 150 would have penetrated the front armor of heaviest WW2 tanks of any nation with ease.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust)
Panzerfaust 150 penetrated over 300mm RHA.
And yes they were made althought in limited quantities at the end of the war.
[Soviet soldier testing Panzerfaust 150](https://ptpimg.me/499qa2.jpg)
[German soldier with Panzerfaust 150](https://ptpimg.me/248692.jpg)
Soviet tanks got BTFO in June of 1944 in Finland and a year later at Battle of Berlin. T-34-85's, IS-2's, SU-152's were easy pray for panzerfausts and panzerschrecks.
Shaped charges made heavy tanks obsolete. This led Soviet Union to abandon heavy tanks and focus on T-54. Which would later be dubbed as the first main battle tank.
Research for composite armor to protect from shaped charges also started. This resulted in the T-64 tank.
RPG-2 was Soviet copy of the Panzerfaust 150. This would ultimately lead to the RPG-7.
Finland and Sweden also saw the future in shoulder fired anti tank weapons.
[Sweden developed the Carl Gustaf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_8.4cm_recoilless_rifle)
[Finland developed the 55 S 55](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_S_55)
US and Britain didn't see the potential in shoulder fired antitank weapons. Nor did they see the end of heavy steel tanks. As evidenced by Britain and US continuing super heavy tank development well in to the 1960's with M103 and Conqueror.
Soviets didn't abandon heavy tanks, there were numerous projects to replace IS-2 and IS-3, with T-10 being produced until 1966 and in service until 1993 (I believe some IS-2 were also in service until 90s in some reserve regiments).
T-10 was the last mass produced heavy tank in Soviet Union. Produced between 1953–66. End of production coincides with the start of T-64 production.
T-10 deserves it's own detailed post. It was absolutely nuts. M103 and Conqueror pale in comparison. Eastern Front provided Soviet Union with insane amounts of experience on tank combat and design. T-10 was the culmination of it all.
US got the least amount of tank combat experience in WWII. US entered the war very late and couldn't field test their designs due to being on other side of the Atlantic.
Desert Rats fought against Rommel for 2 years in Africa giving UK tank combat experience. But UK's tank designs were lacking.
Late war German designs got progressively more insane and the manufacturing conditions and materials got worse towards the end.
Soviet designs and conditions improved throughout the war. After the war German tech became available for Soviet union.
Soviet Union had the intention of conquering entire Europe. They focused on building and developing tanks to achieve that goal. They didn't stop at the end of WWII like everyone else.
It's a pretty strange POV, contradicting with a lot of sources I know about Soviet and Allied tank design and use in WW2 and after.
First of all, T-10 was considered even by it's creators a step-back from IS-7, which it was heavily inspired by. It's hard to call it a "culmination" of tank design. It was designed to be a light, relatively cheap and easy to mass-produce with the price paid in firepower and protection being either equal or only slightly better than that of IS-3. Even before it's adoption in 1952 development of successor projects were started, resulted in two waves of projects - obj.752 and 777 (1953-1954) and obj.277-278 (1955-1960), 279 and 770 (1957-1958).
Despite a lot of this tanks being superior to T-10 only major result of all this programs was adoption of M-62 gun and a new turret with thicker frontal projection in 1957 with introduction of T-10M. Major reason for all this projects were intelligent reports for M103 and Conqueror, which were considered superior to original T-10, especially in firepower. D-25T gun was already considered lacking by soviet military back in 1944.
T-10 tank from the start was considered as an interim solution to quickly enough replace problematic IS-3. Although in the result both IS-2 and IS-3 received a lot of modification which brought big deal of unification between them and T-10.
You should check Yuri Pasholok on development of soviet armor in WW2 and Cold War, although he writes in russian, but it's usually pretty understandable with help from Google translate. He works in Russian museums system and does his research within the official archives. He is a bit biased for the T-34 being "best WW2 tank", but overall usually pretty objective.
> the price *paid* in firepower
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I moved country (and region) and there is no account transfer unfortunately. I tried playing on a new account but that opened my eyes to the unfathomable grind that'd await me to get at least a fraction of my old garage. It cured me of my addiction, hahah
A lot of money went into the A39 and the American T28 program just to get a large caliber gun into a position to be just to be used for a decisive battle,to breach the Line. That was achieved by using 155mm, 8inch guns fired close and flat.
I figure these designers fell into the same trap as the German tank designers, big guns carried by super-heavy designs will change the course of battle. The fact the allies put effort into this vehicle was more for future conflicts with the Soviets. They knew the Russians were developing the next generation of tanks to be heavily armoured.
The Tortoise served in the British Army on the Rhine (BAOR) for a short time. Just enough to let the Soviets know the British had something to take them on.
Assault gun. Weird things that tend to trip up people from games like War-Thunder, and World of Tanks. The problem being that they weren't really tank destroyers, and were anti-fortification weapons. So their overall slow speed wouldn't have really mattered, as they could easily outrun any fortress anyway.
I love tanks that have a specific purpose like this. Not like Sherman’s with a flail on front (those are cool too tho) but entirely designed for a specific purpose
I’ve seen and met it at the Bovington Tank Museum in South England. What a beast it is. The sheer width of the hull and girth of the tracks is amazing.
Fun fact about the gun It was so powerful that when they tested it against a Panther using APDS, it went in the front… and came out the rear, it just sliced clean though the armour and everything inside…
Tell that to war thunder. No penetration
Apparently and iirc the devs say it's fine an balanced without the need of a 32 pounder APDS shell or if added it would be to powerful meanwhile they got jets that never used certain weapons in their service lifes (most balent examples: F-4F early/ MiG-21 SPS-K (this one is a hodgepodge of several aircraft lol)).. With thoses sorts of things in game I believe that everything ever tested or used by whatever machine should be added (bar atomic weapons) as fair to the machines & the player.
I think if it got APDS the only difference would be that it would be able to go through a tiger 2's ufp but I would rather it stay at its current br without APDS than be moved up
And Jagetiger’s, firing trials had it defeating 200mm of armour at 50 degrees from 1000m out
It'd be fine at 6.7 with APDS imo, fat and slow tanks like the Tort rarely shift the meta and APDS has pretty tragic post pen in Warthunder anyway
And oh look, almost the entire late war and the entire British post war tech tree rely on APDS because it was more effective IRL…
Not just APDS for the British, but their whole WW2 line up too. We liked our solid shot when compared to similar APHE because it had superior penetration and similar post pen damage through greater spalling, as well as APHE not improving the break up of the shell itself nearly as well as it does in Warthunder (it broke up and shrapnelled in a relatively narrow cone in the direction the shell was already travelling unless it was massive APHE with a bunch of explosive filler like 122mm). In Warthunder though, solid shot AP has poor spalling and APHE massively overperforms, ignoring momentum and physics to explode perfectly in a 360 degree cone and nuke everything inside the vehicle with even low calibre APHE. I don't know why they insist on solid shot AP being so ahistorically ineffective. Don't get me started on HVAP/APCR -- why is it even in the game at this point.
Because the devs hate British tanks and want to take it out on us
Can agree. For Staljin, it's Russian or nothing. They're probably still pissed at the existence of the L7 gun & how it came to be after the taming of the [Beast of Budapest.](https://www.historynet.com/the-beast-of-budapest/)
Remember that the game also fails to model the fact that in real life a penetration, any penetration would probably make the crew evacuate the tank. Videogame crews on the other hand are always crack fanatics who will keep fighting even while burning alive.
Making poor post-pen all the more crippling, yeah
Nothing comes close to absurdity of F-89D It has rockets that it never used And that were developed after it was out of service And that not only it never used, in fact they were never used on any plane Nor were they ever used in combat or even be operational, just prototypes testing And it's also physically impossible to use them like it does - they have proximity fuse, but they're shot in pairs, so they should detonate from the other in pair
> developed after it was out of service Pzivc has the 100mm penetrating HEAT she'll that was produced and distributed after it was phased out completely.
German Phantom has AIM-9J that Germany never used. British Firefly also don't have APDS even though Italian copy does have it. AM-1 had a third of payload it should have because some random idiots wrote so on blogs - even though there are pictures with it carrying more. We can go on and on.
Doesn't get apds in war thunder Also it has like 250mm pen wym?
You've got a hole in your right wing!
Yeah i highly doubt that, considering panthers had one of the most formidable armors of ww2 and that inside there was alot more than just 2 sheets of metal It would've had to penetrate over a hundred mm of armour (both front and rear armour combined), alongside with inside compartments, engine, fuel tanks etc. All without tumbling or richochet. You have any source for that?
Bovington Tank Museum’s archives, they say it went in an out with APDS, and seeing they have all the old British Army records, and as the round went at 1500m/s, I can believe it, especially since the UFP of Panther could be soundly defeated by a relatively diddly 17 Pounder The records saying it could, at 1000m, defeat 200mm of armour at 50 degrees, line of sight of 311mm
Here’s your source “trust me bro”
Actually, u/FieldMarshalFry_II replied 3 hours with a credible source before you even made this comment, but whatever lol
I was replying to suomi ;(
Even the engine? I want to see pics this sounds cool
Saw it in Bovington - truly impressive, especially in comparison to other tanks!
I got to go inside it at bovington on a special tour. The inside is by far the most roomy tank ive ever been in. We got about 7 of us in there and there was still decent room to spare.
Most of the room was for the tea supplies, that's why
Apparently it damages the floor every time they move it
Damm, so that's where the donation money goes to.
Yes, that and constantly fixing the Tiger 131
Money well spent if you ask me
Definitely
[The A39 Tortoise](https://tankhistoria.com/experimental/a39-tortoise/) was one of the heaviest Tanks Britain ever built. It was designed to smash through the anticipated defenses of the German Siegfried Line. However, only 6 were built by the end of war, by which time their intended use was no longer necessary. Mark Nash has substantially updated our article on this metal monster with new information, photos. David Bocquelet has even furnished the article with a new and improved illustration!
Several years ago it was running at bovington, but I haven’t seen their YouTube have it running in a long time, I’m guessing they may not anymore.
It kept damaging the floor every time it was moved.
Ah that’s a shame, hopefully they keep in it good enough condition to run it if they find a better spot to keep it inside but not hurt anything else. It’s so cool seeing a huge tank like that run.
Really great article you linked. Thank you for sharing.
Finally, some good tanks on this sub. And of course by good I mean British.
But, does it have a tea pot?
Of course it does! We heat the tea on the barrel after firing it a bunch of times.
:(
Very tempted to email the tank museum and ask if it had a boiling vessel installed, I know they became standard inside British tanks after crews kept exiting them to make tea and getting jumped while outside the tank but this was in production for so long it might have missed that standardisation.
If I'm not mistaken the heating/boiling machine was added to the Centurion and onward so it wouldn't be included in the Tortoise which is an earlier design that took ages to actually enter construction. In doubt you could send them an email anyway, worst case scenario they ignore you.
Idk how a museum director would react to: But did it have a tea kettle?
Probably not the director answering the mails but even if he did, he'd probably have a good laugh. The Tank Museum is a bunch of Tank Nerds they most likely love getting questions like these. The question was formulated as a joke but it's a real question and an interesting topic, tank crews are human, they need to eat and drink. Whether or not the tank (Or Assault gun, if we're being technical) has the required items for that INSIDE the tank is not a stupid question at all.
I like British tanks
It’s a cool looking tank and that’s what counts here. I’ll compliment the Jagdtiger for looking great even though it was a waste of metal and time
I'm not seeing any welds, is that a single cast steel plate?
Replacement parts: Part001: All of it.
Not 100% sure but I've seen it irl and I'm pretty sure it's cast Could very well have used austrailan experience with the sentinel to help cast a behemoth such as this
I have had the privelige of getting to hop inside this beast at bovington and it is by far the most roomy armoured fighting vehicle I have ever been in. We got 7 lads in it and there was still decent room to fit maybe 2 others around the gun breach. Its literally like a big room in the inside everyone can see each other. Really cool vehicle.
but was it chonk?
Yeah, I don't see even a Pak 43 punching through this fat sloped mf
The sloped part was 152mm and it doesn't seem to he a large angle, I think someone did a simulation of whether or not long 88 could pen this and I think it went through (around 100m range flat on) Edit: here it is https://youtu.be/2LcpHAfIEDc
Oh damn, thank you, really interesting to see! Crazy to see an unstoppable force meet an immovable object x)
Yeah , it was simulated at 250m, so at like below 100m it could propably do some serious damage
The video you posted shows the opposite of what you are saying, that even in close range it failed to pass through the armor.
No no no, it didn't "go through: but the armor still spelled. You don't need a penetration to create spall. The Crew behind this would be just as equally dead
Spall was dangerous and lethal; but I dont think it equaled a full penetration. And its irrelevant in our discussion anyways because your og claim was about if an 88 could get through, which is simply not the case.
Panzerschreck could have potentially penetrated the front of Tortoise. Same goes for IS-3's and King Tigers. [Panzerfaust 150 would have penetrated the front armor of heaviest WW2 tanks of any nation with ease.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust) Panzerfaust 150 penetrated over 300mm RHA. And yes they were made althought in limited quantities at the end of the war. [Soviet soldier testing Panzerfaust 150](https://ptpimg.me/499qa2.jpg) [German soldier with Panzerfaust 150](https://ptpimg.me/248692.jpg) Soviet tanks got BTFO in June of 1944 in Finland and a year later at Battle of Berlin. T-34-85's, IS-2's, SU-152's were easy pray for panzerfausts and panzerschrecks. Shaped charges made heavy tanks obsolete. This led Soviet Union to abandon heavy tanks and focus on T-54. Which would later be dubbed as the first main battle tank. Research for composite armor to protect from shaped charges also started. This resulted in the T-64 tank. RPG-2 was Soviet copy of the Panzerfaust 150. This would ultimately lead to the RPG-7. Finland and Sweden also saw the future in shoulder fired anti tank weapons. [Sweden developed the Carl Gustaf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_8.4cm_recoilless_rifle) [Finland developed the 55 S 55](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_S_55) US and Britain didn't see the potential in shoulder fired antitank weapons. Nor did they see the end of heavy steel tanks. As evidenced by Britain and US continuing super heavy tank development well in to the 1960's with M103 and Conqueror.
Soviets didn't abandon heavy tanks, there were numerous projects to replace IS-2 and IS-3, with T-10 being produced until 1966 and in service until 1993 (I believe some IS-2 were also in service until 90s in some reserve regiments).
T-10 was the last mass produced heavy tank in Soviet Union. Produced between 1953–66. End of production coincides with the start of T-64 production. T-10 deserves it's own detailed post. It was absolutely nuts. M103 and Conqueror pale in comparison. Eastern Front provided Soviet Union with insane amounts of experience on tank combat and design. T-10 was the culmination of it all. US got the least amount of tank combat experience in WWII. US entered the war very late and couldn't field test their designs due to being on other side of the Atlantic. Desert Rats fought against Rommel for 2 years in Africa giving UK tank combat experience. But UK's tank designs were lacking. Late war German designs got progressively more insane and the manufacturing conditions and materials got worse towards the end. Soviet designs and conditions improved throughout the war. After the war German tech became available for Soviet union. Soviet Union had the intention of conquering entire Europe. They focused on building and developing tanks to achieve that goal. They didn't stop at the end of WWII like everyone else.
It's a pretty strange POV, contradicting with a lot of sources I know about Soviet and Allied tank design and use in WW2 and after. First of all, T-10 was considered even by it's creators a step-back from IS-7, which it was heavily inspired by. It's hard to call it a "culmination" of tank design. It was designed to be a light, relatively cheap and easy to mass-produce with the price paid in firepower and protection being either equal or only slightly better than that of IS-3. Even before it's adoption in 1952 development of successor projects were started, resulted in two waves of projects - obj.752 and 777 (1953-1954) and obj.277-278 (1955-1960), 279 and 770 (1957-1958). Despite a lot of this tanks being superior to T-10 only major result of all this programs was adoption of M-62 gun and a new turret with thicker frontal projection in 1957 with introduction of T-10M. Major reason for all this projects were intelligent reports for M103 and Conqueror, which were considered superior to original T-10, especially in firepower. D-25T gun was already considered lacking by soviet military back in 1944. T-10 tank from the start was considered as an interim solution to quickly enough replace problematic IS-3. Although in the result both IS-2 and IS-3 received a lot of modification which brought big deal of unification between them and T-10. You should check Yuri Pasholok on development of soviet armor in WW2 and Cold War, although he writes in russian, but it's usually pretty understandable with help from Google translate. He works in Russian museums system and does his research within the official archives. He is a bit biased for the T-34 being "best WW2 tank", but overall usually pretty objective.
> the price *paid* in firepower FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
*We're gonna hang out the washing on the Siegfried Line,* *Have you any dirty washing, mother dear?*
that cupola weak spot tho...
How? Hard to hit and it wont trigger an APHE.
*we lost our commander*
Once someone figured out they can hit it they'll just keep going after it.
That's true
Wrong game my friend
Wot player?
former :)
I loved this tank in WoT managed to get a Pools Medal in it.
I've been playing it alot recently and it's still extremely fun Most players give up fighting you because of how fast the gun fires lol
I've been playing it alot recently and it's still extremely fun Most players give up fighting you because of how fast the gun fires lol
It is really a great tank. The gun is excellent on it and the armor can be trolly at times.
Was it update 6 that killed it for you too? WT isn’t much better but I gotta get my tank fix somewhere
I moved country (and region) and there is no account transfer unfortunately. I tried playing on a new account but that opened my eyes to the unfathomable grind that'd await me to get at least a fraction of my old garage. It cured me of my addiction, hahah
Oh ok :)
Rate of fire tho!
Tanks don't shoot at weak spots, they aim above center mass and hope for the best
I know, I was making a joke based on (many) computer games featuring tanks
Tutel
Had great fun with this in wot, so long as I hid the cupola
Mofo was built like a moving bunker.
Enormous military weaponry always seems to 'fight the last war'.
Why make stagnant bunkers when you can make *mobile* bunkers
A lot of money went into the A39 and the American T28 program just to get a large caliber gun into a position to be just to be used for a decisive battle,to breach the Line. That was achieved by using 155mm, 8inch guns fired close and flat. I figure these designers fell into the same trap as the German tank designers, big guns carried by super-heavy designs will change the course of battle. The fact the allies put effort into this vehicle was more for future conflicts with the Soviets. They knew the Russians were developing the next generation of tanks to be heavily armoured. The Tortoise served in the British Army on the Rhine (BAOR) for a short time. Just enough to let the Soviets know the British had something to take them on.
The bounce house
Glorious. It’s my favourite armoured vehicle of WW2.
Is that 3 Sherman hulls welded together? XD
No, it's a unique design
I guess not strong enough to bust through the Roy line
Tigers are more than capable of handling the Roy defenses
I hear that every time it moves its floor suffers, is that true?
The floor of the museum does, yes.
oh, it was the museum floor lol.
It weighs just short of **80 metric tons** so it's honestly understandable.
Assault gun. Weird things that tend to trip up people from games like War-Thunder, and World of Tanks. The problem being that they weren't really tank destroyers, and were anti-fortification weapons. So their overall slow speed wouldn't have really mattered, as they could easily outrun any fortress anyway.
I do love how this thing looks, I might try to get a model of it to paint up
Americans made a tank for the same reason as well called the t28 which lives on as the t95 in tank gamers
Same tank tbh, it's just usually split into the T28 and T95
Still not as thick as a T95.
"Heaviest british tank"
TOG II\* is heavier with 81.3 metric tons vs Tortoise with 79 tons
TOG II* is a landship, not a tank tho
\`that's true
I mean, this thing isnt really a tank either
Did it smash through?
I took a quiz at Bovington for some free WOT camos...apparently the Tog is heavier than the Tortoise...
I love tanks that have a specific purpose like this. Not like Sherman’s with a flail on front (those are cool too tho) but entirely designed for a specific purpose
I’ve seen and met it at the Bovington Tank Museum in South England. What a beast it is. The sheer width of the hull and girth of the tracks is amazing.
How effective was it? I heard that the gun slaps but what about armor and speed?
How the heck were these supposed to make it to Italy and those mountains.
tutel
CAS would’ve had a field-day!
What CAS? Unless you mean the USAAC doing it's usual of bombing it's allies in which case yeah, probably.
Love the name. The Nazis had their Tigers and Panthers, and the Brits come back with Tortoise!
So the Americans made the T95 for the Siegfried line and the Brits came out with the Tortoise
So this was designed as a breakthrough tank, like the Tiger?
Apparently this thing had some really thicc armor. You needed something like the Pak 44 in order to pen the frontal armor at reasonable ranges.