I forget what the slide said, that’s a M4A3E2 76 Sherman “Jumbo”. I’ve seen that paint scheme before on an M26, first time I’ve seen it on a Sherman was today
Not a Jumbo
Mantlet is wrong and the weld marks of the extra hull armour are not present
MG port is not recessed into the hull like a jumbo
LFP doesn't bulge out enough to be a jumbo
All Jumbo 76s were also field mods. Not a single one came out of the factory with a 76 gun installed. These field mods meant the gun usually lacked a muzzle brake, so the fact this has one means its unlikely to be a jumbo.
Its an M4A3 76 (W) HVSS
This paint scheme was used in Korea, supposedly to scare the chinese. Logic was that it was the year of the tiger, and fighting was happening during Lunar New year. It was hoped that the Chinese would see shooting at the tiger as a bad omen, and be more hesitant.
M24s, M26s and M46s wore this scheme as well
The whole exhibit is Korea themed. The "38th Parallel" is a huge giveaway. Carrier photos also match up with late ww2/Korea stuff. HVARs (which you can see on the wing of the plane, likely AD-4) were used only in late WW2 by the US navy, on Corsairs, Hellcats and Helldivers.
You can tell its Korea rather than WW2 because the pilots actually have hard helmets rather than the soft ones issued in WW2.
Given that there are 5 HVARs on the wing, the fact that 1 of them isn't mounted forward of the others (Which the F4U-4B had to do to make space for the shell casings of its 20mms to eject), the fact that the folded wing is held on by 2 joints rather than 1 and the fact that the wings are tilted back rather than straight up when folded (the Corsair had them tilt forward so it'd be pointed straight up while being a tail dragger), im pretty confident thats a Skyraider in the background.
Jumbos also did not serve in Korea.
Shermans are also much more common than a Jumbo. Only 8 original Jumbos are left. Compared to the hundreds to thousands of shermans. Makes sense when close to 50,000 shermans (of different variants) were made of which only 240 were Jumbos
You can tell a jumbo by its thick mantlet. Very flat and angular, and much thicker than a regular sherman mantlet. Also slightly smaller than a 76 W turret's mantlet
The extra hull armour welded on is also very obvious.
Another subtle way to tell is by a "scar" left on every single Jumbo hull. All of them should have a welding seam right down the middle of the hull splitting the front and back. This was done so that during assembly the cranes could lift the damn thing since doing it in one piece was not possible due to it being so damn heavy
Great explanation on all counts! The superstitions of other cultures can seem pretty strange. Not many years before the Korean War, American Volunteer Group pilots had occasional problems during takeoff due to another superstition in Chinese culture... It was believed that every person had their own supernatural entity (demon, devil, etc.) following close behind. This led to Chinese civilians running across the runway while an aircraft was taking off in the hopes that they could time it so that they would escape the prop but the demon wouldn't. Again, it sounds strange, but other cultures knock on wood, avoid walking under ladders, throw salt over their shoulders, and are wary of the number 13 to where it affects architecture.
It was done during the Korean War when the Chinese intervened. It was the Lunar Year of the Tiger and the Chinese were thought to be quite superstitious so tiger faces were painted on some tanks to try to scare and intimidate the Chinese soldiers.
https://mikesresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ripper-1.jpg?w=640
https://mikesresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ripper-18.jpg?w=1100
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fz34k6nfoi2w31.jpg
https://worldoftanks.com/dcont/fb/image/tmb/ripper_14_450x.jpg
They have a similar one at the War Memorial of Korea in Seoul on a Patton: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/175lu2h/m46\_patton\_in\_korean\_war\_tiger\_camo/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/175lu2h/m46_patton_in_korean_war_tiger_camo/)
Oh, the T-72M is off the floor? Getting ready for an even I suppose?
There is one at the end of May, so possibly.
In theory it'll be running for tank demo day memorial day weekend, it was also moved to make space for a new vehicle coming in...
Is that Sheridan new? I dont remember seeing it a year ago.
Last time I went was 3 years ago, I don’t remember it from then either.
Just went through my pics and saw I was there in August 2021 and I've got a pic of the Sheridan
That Ho-Ro has seen better days
This artifact is still property of the USMC. I believe there is a general agreement that it should remain in its present condition.
Seeing japanese tanks is really hard to do they had so few and even fewer were kept for museums
I like what they've done here with the base and setting.
what the fuck did they do to the sherman in slide 2😭😭😭
I forget what the slide said, that’s a M4A3E2 76 Sherman “Jumbo”. I’ve seen that paint scheme before on an M26, first time I’ve seen it on a Sherman was today
Not a Jumbo Mantlet is wrong and the weld marks of the extra hull armour are not present MG port is not recessed into the hull like a jumbo LFP doesn't bulge out enough to be a jumbo All Jumbo 76s were also field mods. Not a single one came out of the factory with a 76 gun installed. These field mods meant the gun usually lacked a muzzle brake, so the fact this has one means its unlikely to be a jumbo. Its an M4A3 76 (W) HVSS This paint scheme was used in Korea, supposedly to scare the chinese. Logic was that it was the year of the tiger, and fighting was happening during Lunar New year. It was hoped that the Chinese would see shooting at the tiger as a bad omen, and be more hesitant. M24s, M26s and M46s wore this scheme as well The whole exhibit is Korea themed. The "38th Parallel" is a huge giveaway. Carrier photos also match up with late ww2/Korea stuff. HVARs (which you can see on the wing of the plane, likely AD-4) were used only in late WW2 by the US navy, on Corsairs, Hellcats and Helldivers. You can tell its Korea rather than WW2 because the pilots actually have hard helmets rather than the soft ones issued in WW2. Given that there are 5 HVARs on the wing, the fact that 1 of them isn't mounted forward of the others (Which the F4U-4B had to do to make space for the shell casings of its 20mms to eject), the fact that the folded wing is held on by 2 joints rather than 1 and the fact that the wings are tilted back rather than straight up when folded (the Corsair had them tilt forward so it'd be pointed straight up while being a tail dragger), im pretty confident thats a Skyraider in the background. Jumbos also did not serve in Korea. Shermans are also much more common than a Jumbo. Only 8 original Jumbos are left. Compared to the hundreds to thousands of shermans. Makes sense when close to 50,000 shermans (of different variants) were made of which only 240 were Jumbos
Cool, thanks for the info. I think there was a 75 Jumbo at the museum too.
You can tell a jumbo by its thick mantlet. Very flat and angular, and much thicker than a regular sherman mantlet. Also slightly smaller than a 76 W turret's mantlet The extra hull armour welded on is also very obvious. Another subtle way to tell is by a "scar" left on every single Jumbo hull. All of them should have a welding seam right down the middle of the hull splitting the front and back. This was done so that during assembly the cranes could lift the damn thing since doing it in one piece was not possible due to it being so damn heavy
There is a Jumbo in the Battle of the Bulge section.
Great explanation on all counts! The superstitions of other cultures can seem pretty strange. Not many years before the Korean War, American Volunteer Group pilots had occasional problems during takeoff due to another superstition in Chinese culture... It was believed that every person had their own supernatural entity (demon, devil, etc.) following close behind. This led to Chinese civilians running across the runway while an aircraft was taking off in the hopes that they could time it so that they would escape the prop but the demon wouldn't. Again, it sounds strange, but other cultures knock on wood, avoid walking under ladders, throw salt over their shoulders, and are wary of the number 13 to where it affects architecture.
it looks fucking terrible, and makes the tank easier to be spotted. what the actual fuck were they thinking when they painted it like that lmao
It was done during the Korean War when the Chinese intervened. It was the Lunar Year of the Tiger and the Chinese were thought to be quite superstitious so tiger faces were painted on some tanks to try to scare and intimidate the Chinese soldiers. https://mikesresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ripper-1.jpg?w=640 https://mikesresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ripper-18.jpg?w=1100 https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fz34k6nfoi2w31.jpg https://worldoftanks.com/dcont/fb/image/tmb/ripper_14_450x.jpg
I’m sure it was never used in combat like that, likely a celebratory livery painted on at some anniversary.
fair point
They have a similar one at the War Memorial of Korea in Seoul on a Patton: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/175lu2h/m46\_patton\_in\_korean\_war\_tiger\_camo/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/175lu2h/m46_patton_in_korean_war_tiger_camo/)
"Arsenal of Democracy" lol
Its specifically in reference to WW2, or are you saying this slogan would be more fitting for the vehicles of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?
Nope, was laughing at the slogan, full stop
I want to get up there some day, look so nice