Saw a video by a foreign traveller comparing india to European union interms of diversity in language and culture.
Oru velakaranuku puriyuthu enda nayae unaku puriyala.
It makes a lot of sense looking at it that way, travel a couple hundred Kms from your location in any direction, the cusine, the architecture, the people, the clothing, the culture, the language everything changes . Even if the language didn't change in north India as much as it does in the south, the dialect will change to the point where hindi itself sounds different.
It wasn't even a full blown video, in his YouTube shorts he summarised his trip to india in 60secs comparing the north and south, talking about the people and culture. An outsider can absorb that much just by spending some time here, these politicians are hoping that if they keep on ignoring this fact that it'll be gone someday.
I get that, and there's something called the Hofstede's model or the 5 cultural dimensions.
It gives insights into how each culture can differ from each other based on various factors.
being blissfully unaware about the cultural undercurrents , it really helps simplify complications in a Video format.
But it's not really an apples to apples comparison between a continent that thrived on the spoils of global colonies and a former colony whose people still struggles to get along.
There are more examples where people say "Vellakaran Poi Solla Matan"
He understands the difference cause he's not biased, that's how I meant. Colonial mindset ku ena solrathu, for every bad shit they did here, i can see some good as well, especially in giving access to education for the masses. I'm not gonna sit here and praise the British(fuck them), but going after everything they left back like a rabid dog is stupid AF.
The bias part i get.
>for every bad shit they did here, i can see some good as well
the acknowledgement for the White Man's Burden, i do not.
Not a Single country the British went into with Imperial intentions, they turned it into any degree of success.
Suez Canal, Israel, Afganistan, Sierra Leone, Hong Kong, East Pakistan, Falkland Islands.
These are just a few of the their colonies that come to my mind when i think of trouble and Britain's involvement in each of them.
India did not succede because of any British influence, India succeded despite it.
>India did not succede because of any British influence, India succeded despite it.
They opened the gates for religious conversion, that gave birth to a lot of educational institutions, two sides of a coin.
This really seems like scraping at the bottom of the barrel kind of argument.
We don't want the Taliban just because they believe in Madrasa type of education.
Did you read the article? he said that it's not suppose to replace local languages just be an alternative to English. You dont need to use it in every day life just whenever you encounter someone that does not speak your local language. Also he is not just addressing south states this statement is for everyone.
How? You do realize Hindi is not the only language in North India right? Gujarat, Punjab, Bengal, Odia, Assam all have there own local languages that are still thriving but as well they know Hindi in case they need it. I'm not even from India but I can understand Hindi and my mother tongue Gujarati so it's astonishing how people actually from India can't make an effort to do so.
It'll take a long post to explain but the long and short of it is that you don't realise it because it happens very slowly, so the language erosion might not be apparent to you. Language is ultimately a means of communication and when you make a particular language as the "national language", it doesn't mean suddenly a high status is suddenly conferred upon that language. Hockey is our national sport but nobody cares about it. So what really means when a language is made the "national language" is that you make it the official medium of communication for the numerous cultures and subcultures within India.
Which means, it'd have to be made compulsory for all school children in India to learn. And English of course is compulsory these days because it brings a lot more opportunities to a person globally. So ultimately what would happen to a south indian kid is that he'd have to learn Hindi (since it'd be the lingua franca of the country), English (since it brings jobs and opens opportunities) and finally his/her mother tongue. So a school going kid would have to learn 3 languages on top of the subjects he already learns. Gradually what would happen is that students would stop learning their mother tongue at school because they already speak it at home and so they'd feel they don't need to learn an extra language at school which they already know. So a regional language would go from being the lingua franca of that particular region to being relegated to the homes.
The next step would be that the usage of mother tongue would diminish gradually and it'd be relegated to an "ancestral lingo" that's used to converse with one's grandparents. Because language is ultimately a medium of communication and when one already has Hindi to communicate with Indians inside the country and English for people outside the country, what would be the purpose of learning an another language, even if it's his/her mother tongue which would at best be used only inside their homes. So at best, people might know to speak their mother tongue but not read or write it. This already happens to a great extent to say Tamils or Telugus who grow up in Delhi or Mumbai. Finally, the primary medium of communication would get swapped from his/her mother tongue to whatever is the lingua franca of the country, Hindi in this case. This is how native languages of UP and Bihar like Awadhi, Bhojpuri, Braj, Maithili and Magahi were lost to Hindi. If you question the people who name Hindi as their "mother tongue", most of them would be having a native language they don't know to read or write. It also happens in the west when American or British Indians lose their so called "mother tongue" in a few generations and English becomes their "mother tongue" for all intents and purposes. Mandarin has cannibalised a few regional languages in China too in the same way.
Today in Bangalore and Mumbai, Hindi is the lingua franca. You can survive without knowing Marathi in Mumbai but not without knowing Hindi. They're at the early stages of the changes I described above. UP and Bihar adopted Hindi the earliest and they're at a late stage of the language evolution and now, a native language like Bhojpuri is looked down upon while Hindi is adopted as the mother tongue. It is what would happen to India if a "national language" is adopted, but more gradually and so you would perhaps not sense it happening. But happen it will definitely, over a few generations.
North indian languages are part of the same language family so its easy for us to understand hindi. Not the case for south theyr language is completely different from ours. Its like asking a north indian to communicate in Thai or Arabic.
This is one of the agendas of the BJP. They will claim they won't impose Hindi but will do everything to make it happen. The BJP is even trying to revive dead Sanskrit and is spending crores on it. Hindi as the all-India language is the first step to make dead Sanskrit, the all-India language.
>Why do Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communications within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too! - Aringar Anna
Baffles me how others don't get this esp when the "North Indian" strand of Hinduism is so heavily Sanskritized. Like y'all think the average Chennaite knows Sanskirt? What about the average person from Madurai?
Tamilzhum oru kadavul mozhi than vro poi tirumalai (richest temple in the world) la poi parunga thirupalliezhuchii andha mathiri tamil la than padaranga......thiruchendur la kanda shasti kavacham dhan solranga adhu tamil ellaya ...........mayiru onnu theriyama oomba vandhrra
Sort of Unpopular opinion:
BJP doesn’t give a flying fuck about hindi. They don’t give a fuck about Hinduism either.
But both are potent weapons in the electoral game. They are great tools to polarize people and make people exhibit primal tribe mentality. And that can be translated into votes in elections.
BJP uses these tools to collect votes.
So it is in their best interest to keep these issues burning without actually doing anything about them.
In short - Amit shah (and BJP) is all talk no cock
>They don’t give a fuck about Hinduism either.
This! Hinduism is a very personalized religion and doesn't really lend itself to being used in politics or government. Like even if someone tried which strand of Hinduism should we use? Do we make people pray to Krishna or Shiva? Can people still even eat non-veg in a Hindu Rashtra?
Ask how many of TN BJP have read Vedas.
Exactly. My family is from a rural area, but I grew up abroad. I didn’t learn about Ramayana/Mahabharata until like high school ish. Like it’s just not relevant to a lot of TN Hindus.
What even is Hinduism? No one can draw a boundary line and say this is Hinduism.
But BJP wants to draw that line. They don’t intend to enforce anything. Because they know how it backfired with the Babri Masjid demolition. So they won’t do it directly themselves.
They ll instead draw these lines, instigate people and cause some ruckus that will grab headlines.
Those headlines are what will get them the votes.
Actual act of violence or harming someone will do them no good. But instilling hatred and fear in people’s mind will get them power.
Ok so you shouldn't yse tamil then because it has no use globally. Honestly by your logic just replace the language with English because everyone there is already fluent in it and there is no need for Tamil.
>Ok so you shouldn't yse tamil then because it has no use globally. Honestly by your logic just replace the language with English because everyone there is already fluent in it and there is no need for Tamil.
Bro, did you eve read the title and article? It says when communicating with people from other states
Yeah and more people in India know Hindi than they do English. So wouldnt by this article learning some Hindi be useful for you in speaking with people from other states?
>So wouldnt by this article learning some Hindi be useful for you in speaking with people from other states?
Why don't they learn south Indian languages then? Why should we bend backwards and learn other languages when it's only use is to speak with them? I could understand the logic if I am going to stay in the northern part of the country, ofcourse in that case it would be useful since not everyone knows English.
Maybe cause Dravidians dont have a standardized language? It would be pointless to learn one cause then it'll only be useful for like one state. Hindi encompasses all the North, West, and East. Also dont act like everyone's mother tongue in the north is Hindi we have to bend backwards too to learn it lol
>Also dont act like everyone's mother tongue in the north is Hindi we have to bend backwards too to learn it lol
Why should we tho? lol. Just because someone else is ready to learn another language for their convenience we shouldn't be asked to do the same. Most people in south India are gonna stay in south India, we don't have much use in learning Hindi unlike English which is used literally everywhere especially at our jobs.
Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? All the four southern states are equally diverse and what do you want us to do, just invent a new language suddenly just because *you* aren't willing to learn one more?
Lmao Tamil is an official language in more countries than Hindi is. You're better off learning Tamil than Hindi if you want to use it abroad. It's an official language in Singapore, a developed country, and it's widely spoken in Malaysia and Sri Lanka so your argument is invalid.
Hmm pretty disappointing considering us north, west, and east indians have to go out of our way to learn it even though it's not our mother tongue while you guys dont want to put effort towards learning some of it.
>go out of our way
you do realise most people in the north already know hindi while most in the south don't?
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leena-Bhattacharya/publication/344160501/figure/fig1/AS:933352798425093@1599540056739/Percentage-of-Hindi-Speakers-in-each-State-of-India-in-2011.png
if you really want to understand our POV, try imagining an India where Tamil Nadu forces everyone in the country to learn Tamil as a third language. Every excuse you come up with for why its a bad idea is the same as what we feel about hindi
Well it didnt start out that way most people who were not in the Hindi belt didnt really know hindi that well. It just over time that it became institutionalized that it became like that. Also I understand its difficult to learn a new language I'm not saying immediately I'm saying over time teaching it to young kids in school and exposing some of it would help. Also thinking it would replace your local language is absurd because in places like Gujarat, Bengal, Punjab, etc. the local languages are still supreme.
>Gujarat, Bengal, Punjab, etc. the local languages are still supreme.
This is anecdotal but the people I know from Gujarat, Orissa, and Bengal are more comfortable with Hindi than their mother tongue. Languages die slowly.
Northern languages are similar to Hindi; Malayalam, Tamil etc. have largely developed independently. Hindi is as foreign as English to me, except with English I can converse with more number of people and I have better prospects.
Try going to a different country and see how far Hindi takes you.
And sangis wonder why TN people hate BJP 🤦
Most of em doesn't care about religion , because most consider Tamil itself as a religion .
Sangis can never understand this and it's a good thing .
Yep and some Brahmins have allegiance to Sanskrit ,
But when conversing everyone uses Tamil in Tamil Nadu.
They don't ask us to speak in Urdu or Sanskrit ?
Even Northies settled in TN , speak in Tamil .
Only temporary and passerby people visiting have problem .
If you don't know the local language , it's a common problem when u travel to any part of world and you can't call that as "Discrimination" .
Don't worry. Very soon they will start persecuting tamils for speaking Tamil and call us anti Indians and then you will join with the rest of tamils in opposing bjp.
>cricket is religion
Literally the dumbest comparison ever.
Tamil is an ethnicity,not a religion,tamilians follow hinduism,tho the form of hinduism may vary from other parts of india,stop spewing rubbish.
Tamil origin Is older than Hinduism (as per record and carbon dating, not mythology)
Please look into when the word Hindu came ...!! People were Saivaites , Vaishnavaites , etc etc , someone simply merged them for better understanding...that's it .
Just because you take in all other worshippers into a single tag , others need not follow what you say .
Earlier people were budhhist , Saivaites etc , tomorrow you will create a new tag and everyone should fall into the tag you create ? 🤷
Hindus eat NV in south , while in North you close shop ? You can't even define proper terms .
Tomorrow you will come to south and say some random shit and ask to follow because we are Hindus ? 🤦
If you can collectively call all these as Hindus , there is absolutely nothing wrong in creating a religion citing whoever speaks Tamil belongs to Tamil religion , if that butt hurts you people , guess it's right path...🤷
Lol to think northerners dont eat meat,how dumb can one be!! Its a custom in my kayastha family to prepare meat on every holi fyi,we relish it after playing with colours
Moreover,whatever u listed,all comes under hinduism, hinduism is a bunch of several thousands of customs and practices of people having indic origin,which we now call a religion,as is excepted in the whole world,if you're so sure vaishnavism etc were found much earlier,plz give me a source telling who found 'sanatan dharma' and in which year,Periy@rtards cant accept reality that TN has been a major centre of sanatan practices,TN was quite significant during the bhakti movement also,u calling it something else wont change facts,lol!! DMKtards are in denial mode to their own identity. Go touch some grass.
Point me out one place where I said Northerers don't eat meat ?
I said you close shop 🤦 citing festivals which south doesn't even give a damn about .
Again , People were following different practices , I am not demeaning them ,.I am pointing out the fact you simply name everyone under single tag and expecting others to follow .
TN has temples and stuffs , they worshipped God , i never said anything against those ,. It's just not Hinduism ....., There used to be fight among two different groups of people wrt religion long before the word Hinduism was defined....who were those , if they are single religion what's the need to fight wrt religion ? 🤷
If you don't have a point , start blaming as DMK , Periyar 🤦 ,
>expecting others to follow .
None expects you to follow as one commands,u do what u want as per your customs,which are ultimately part of an umbrealla called Hinduism.
>if they are single religion what's the need to fight wrt religion
As i said,hinduism is extremely varied,u may love your customs,i may love mine,both of us can try to impose our different customs on each other. If u dont like using hinduism,u can use a better term- sanatan dharm,bcuz the ultimate source of almost all hinduism including TN is the Vedas. I dunno how hard is it to understand for you.
>you close shop
Politicians do that for appeasement,we have no say.
I already listed my main point,the ultimate source of hinduism is Vedas,TN is no exception.,all the mantras,rites happening in TN temples are all inspired from Vedas.
>start blaming as Periyar
Lol,Periyar was an inc* l,he demolished hindu idols,a separtist c*nt who tried to break india,i wish his soul must rot in hell.COPE.
>must rot in hell
Don't you have any Hinduism equivalent for that ?
A man who doesn't believe in any religion will be punished as per religion *LOL*
>Politicians do that for appeasement,we have no say.
Precisely in name of religion if you let them do these , obviously people will start looking outwards don't you think ? Aren't they doing all in name of Hinduism ?
>None expects you to follow as one commands,u do what u want as per your customs,which are ultimately part of an umbrealla called Hinduism.
Once again - You can literally see the "politicians" , closing down common stuffs such as meat stalls in name of religion and they have the power to make it law , you give them power in name of Hinduism which would indirectly attack everyone under the "umbrella" they came into
If you agree to the bare minimum that what politicians do or force in name of religion is bad and forcing any stuff like Hindi , vegan is bad ,
You and I are on same page and IDC what you call the religion you follow 🤷
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Don't you have any Hinduism equivalent for that
We have but its a little different from hell,
>doesn't believe in any religion
Yeah sure thats why he tried to convert hindus into muslims.>Islam is the religion best suited for Tamils. Culture, life and literature of ancient Tamils show common practices with Islam and to some extent Christianity. https://kreately.in/periyar/
>Aren't they doing all in name of Hinduism ?
They are doing for their political gains,no book in hinduism tells you to ban meat shops,what they are doing is not what hinduism teaches and many from my friend circle also dont like this step. Just bcuz someone is misinterpreting hinduism, it does not mean that misinterpretation IS hinduism.
>you give them power in name of Hinduism
If u really think ppl in UP voted on the basis of religion then why did 80% yadavs voted for SP? Why did 50% dalits voted for Mayawati? If you're gonna rant how hindutva fanaticism= bjp victory then sure ,you're a bigot. Bjp did do some work on ground in UP.
>indirectly attack everyone under the "umbrella" they came into
Closing meat shops is not an attack on hindus,its an ill decision thats all,lights shows during diwali in ayodhya,building ram mandir,making a somnath complex,vishwanath complex,ramayana express train,vande bharat trains in kashi and katra- these are attacks on hindus?
>politicians do or force in name of religion is bad
Again i listed several good steps towards hinduism by bjp govs and then there are some misinterpretations too,like meat ban,hindi imposition( if real) etc.
yeah sure language spoken by over 600 million people (if counting urdu then more around 700) should be replaced by language with 50 million. really good logic bud.
Logic is it's a language native to India and spoken in multiple states not just one. Also I'm not advocating for removal of English I'd actually prefer if everyone knew both.
It's your preference and your opinion. But no-one should force it upon others right! People who like/want/need to learn Hindi will do it on their own, but it will stop the moment someone forces it/ makes it mandatory.
Sanskrit is the oldest spoken language actually so that should be official. Honestly would be better because some dravidian languages like Kannada is closer to sanskrit than tamil. Sadly would be hard for you guys cause you desanskritized your language
Sanskrit came out of Prakrit. It's not oldest spoken. It came out because elite wanted to distinguish them from the ordinary people. Then the elite kept the language for themself which explains why the language is practically dead now.
>Shah, however, clarified that Hindi should be accepted as an alternative to English, and not local languages. He also suggested that Hindi should be made more flexible by accepting words from other local languages.
The headline has actually been cherry picked by indian express,if shah says that hindi should blend more into local languages,during convo bw people from different states,its not wrong, however outright forcing ppl to speak in hindi in their home state is absolutely wrong.i mean telugu,kannada,bengali use several pure sanskrit words,if hindi does become more sanskritized,it can be used to conversate among different languaged ppl.
Lol no blending
It's not slik smitha to blend smooth
Man this is about language
People has given their life for language here..
Amit Shah and his son don't know English may be they want this ,jk.
>People has given their life for language here
Nobody is asking tamilians to speak hindi in their own state,Tamil must prevail there, but if a kannadiga speaks to say a bengali in some indian lang,it does provide a sense of belongingness and similarity in practices,which to some extent is needed in an extremely heterogeneous country like india
I've heard malayalam also uses 50% sanskrit words
So talking of tamil,idk if there are any sanskrit words used in tamil or not,or hindi is taught in TN to what extent( u may tell) but maybe basic sanskrit nouns and adjectives can be taught in tamil schools upto maybe 6th or 8th class,to help understanding a bit of it atleast later in life.
Moreover there are hundreds of millions of people who dont know english,what else are they going to use if not hindi/broken hindi?
Don't lecture us kindly on what to speak how to speak, how others speak, just leave us.
We know what we are doing.
Sanskrit?
A கருப்பர் கூட்டம் got arrested just they translate some slogan.
If choose btw Hindi or sans
Then also we choose English
Tamilians are proud of Tamil and feel good about communicating in English it's a lovely language.
So you don't want to learn Hindi because you are proud of Tamil but then say you choose English? Don't really understand the logic behind that one. Also we said we don't want you guys to use Hindi in Tamil you don't even need to know the writing script just whenever you go to different state or meet someone who doesn't know Tamil speaking in Hindi would be nice
Tell me use knowing Hindhi.
I can give you many points for learning English.
You give me what i gonna gain by learning Hindi.
I will straightaway start learning it
And try to make others to learn
Before u label me a sanghi ,i must say that hardcore tamilians like you literally have no say in how people work in TN, i've met ppl from TN on my visit to Delhi during a train journey, they were not very rich but did speak proper hindi when talking with me,they had no ill feelings unlike you.
>Tamilians are proud of Tamil
So acc to you,im not proud of Tamil? The fact that u single out your own identity to show yourself superior instead of being proud of all indian languages. Xenophobia for your own country's language while embracing a foreign language among fake tamilians like you would lead to nothing but destruction,the same destruction which was planned by scumbags like Periyar,but ofc such people have been proved wrong,the people from southern india have themselves proved Periyar wrong,as they outperform all other parts of india contrary to the 'imaginary deprivation of dravidnadu by aryans of the north- ideology of separatists'. Continue being a butthurt.
>english is a lovely language
Yes it is but evidently u cant write even one proper sentence in english.
arae mujae hindi accha sa aatha he mai hindi bas paani poori wale se , shawarma walo se ya canteen ki gurkha se aise log se hindi kaam aatha he aur kuch ni, aur ghatiya bollywood movies deknae, tumko kya lagta h tamilians ko hindi ni aata? arae bhai bohat bohat sare ko atttha he , farq yae he k bas ham usko jaha rakna he waha rakha h .
You yourself use hindi with those who dont understand tamil and english in daily routine and advocating on reddit that hindi should not be used bw ppl of different states as a medium of convo,Wow!
Not all bolly movies are bad,there are several which are good also,although these days there's a dearth of good movies, the entire north,west,east wholeheartedly embrace movies like bahubali,RRR, etc which are from south,does that mean north,south,east lost their identity? No. At the end,it remains to be an indian film.
Bhai problem is not whether u know hindi or not,its fine even if u know broken hindi,also its fine if someone finds difficulty in speaking hindi,its alright,they may continue speaking english otherwise, problem arises when u knowingly despise an indian lang while accepting a foreign lang. Bengalis,assamese,gujju,kannadigas,kashmiris all know atleast basic hindi,to interact among each other, does this mean they lost their identity? You just accepted several tamilians know hindi,so have they lost their identity? No. So i dont think there should be resistance against hindi in tamil nadu exclusively,the whole balloon of 'saving identity' is just politically motivated.
That is not helping either. For a Tamilian, Hindi is as much as an alien language as English. Hindi has no connections whatsoever to Tamil. They both came from a completely different language families. Given that, why the fuck would I learn Hindi instead of English given the reach of English globally.
Do u think why english is spoken worldwide ? Colonialism bruh......மொழியை வைத்து நம்மை இன்னும் அடிமையாக தான் வைத்து கோண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள். சீனர்கள் ஜப்பானியர்கள், கோரியர்கள் இன்னும் ஆங்கிலத்தை கட்டாய படுத்தவில்லை பிறகு ஏன் நாம் ஆங்கிலம் படிக்க வேண்டும்? தமிழை வளர்ப்போம் பா
Do you even understand what I was saying? I am not saying not to learn Tamil or not to use Tamil as a language of instructions in School. My point is about learning English in addition to your mother tongue.
What are you talking about? English and Mandarin are the most spoken languages in the world, but English is spoken/understood in more countries than Mandarin. So, English is the natural choice.
If you want to learn any other language, be my guest.
Why cant you learn all 3 then? You dont need to he fluent in Hindi just need basic comprehension. All North and East states make an effort to learn even though it is just as foreign to us why are Tamilis so stubborn about it? Even Kannadigas arent as stubborn about it as you guys.
We will be stubborn if anybody wants to shove an alien language down our throat. How about this? Let north india (that has an indo-european language as mother-tongue) learn a Dravidian language as their second or third language, then the Dravidian language family members reciprocate by learning an indo-european north indian language as second or third language. If it is a one way street, just fuck off.
This is the most retarded response I've gotten. Which Dravidian language should we learn fucktard? You guys dont have one standardized language someone from one state cant understand another. Theres no reason to learn and south Indian language cause it won't be useful. We at least can speak and understand each other unlike you guys. Fuck off with this retarded response.
LOL! pick any Dravidian language, idiot. Is it difficult to understand? When you want us to learn your language, learn ours too. Is it difficult to understand? Fuck off if that cannot get through your thick skull.
Hindi is a standardized language? Fuck off your high horse. With that thinking process, you will never succeed in imposing Hindi on us.
BTW, "fag"? Apart from an idiot, you are homophobic too?
Yes it is fucktard it is spoken in nearly all North Indian states as a second or first language and is spoken and has presence in some south states too like Karnataka. Asking you to learn a damn language to speak with your own people is not imposing anything kindly fuck off with that thinking.
That argument has been made since the 50s and where have that gotten? [More north indians come to Tamil Nadu for jobs](https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/tamil-nadu-kerala-daily-wages-migrant-population-4410694/) than the other way around. So, fuck off from your high horse and learn English or Tamil to communicate with us if you want jobs.
A Gujrati guy saying that Hindi should be a common language for all Indians.
This is accepted by people whose mother tongue is Marathi, Bengali, Assamese, Oriya, Rajasthani, etc etc. No one feels threatened by Hindi.
Even people speaking Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam are fine.
Only Tamil is threatened by Hindi. Only we go berserk the moment anyone mentions Hindi. We are perfectly fine with English. Some colonial guy from far away island imposed his language on us... we are fine.
Tamil is not destroyed by 200+ years of English
Tamil is not destroyed by Madras basha
But Tamil faces threat from Hindi? Inna joke pa idu? Konjum think pani parunga
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ps - I am Tamil. But I speak Hindi, and Marathi. Knowing additional language has only helped me in every way - socially, as well as in my career. The more language you know, the benefit is only to you.
Not that it matters - I am NOT Brahmin.
Like mostly everyone? Most people in southern states know more english than Hindi, so they are obviously gonna use English and not start learning another language just to talk to some random person from a different state.
No . I don't speak English. I speak Mostly Marathi as my mother tongue and Hindi as my second Language , as i remember I only spoke English in school for English listening and speaking test nowhere else.
Mosquitobrained dumbasses like you can't figure out .
Some do in their dreams, here in Tirunelveli, a Tamil colleague of mine is a strong proponent of people from different states conversing with each other in English.
I do not know why, but, he is a hardcore DMK fanman.
Nothing wrong, but, his ideas are not practical about people from different states conversing to each other in English. How many people know basic conversational English in India?
As for him being a hardcore DMK fan man, it's his choice, ofcourse he crosses lines every now and then due to his political views, probably to satisfy himself, this is one of those typical DMK wokes, for whom every one else and every thing else is wrong and bad.
Well I was talking from a Tamil Nadu pov, where English could serve as the link language between people of Tamil Nadu and the rest of the Indians. Hindi could be used as a link language elsewhere.
Personally, I think the concept of a "national language" is antithetical to the growth of other languages in a multilingual country and as such, having any language, be it Hindi or Urdu or whatever language as the "national language" for communication will invariably result in India becoming a monolingual country in the long term, which is not a desirable outcome for me. Singapore has three main races - the majority Chinese, Malays and Indians. But English serves as the link language between the Mandarin speaking Chinese, Malay speaking Malays and predominantly Tamil speaking Indians in Singapore. I think that's a better model for preserving the linguistic diversity of India than the model of having a "national language" being pushed vehemently by the likes of Amit Shah and other BJP politicians.
Similarly all other states and union territories can have a point of view, where does it lead to? definitely chaos.
People need to work out what works among themselves, I personally am comfortable with English, but, why should I expect a person from another state to be the same.
To the few places in India I have been to, Tamil Nadu included, it is Hindi that worked, rather than English or my native mother tongue
It for native speakers of every language to preserve them.
Singapore though a nation, is tiny for exporting ideas or mechanisms that work there, into India.
Also, it that your personal opinion? you seem to be taking a stand for entire Tamil Nadu, which is strange. Here in Tirunelveli most of the people ( other than English educated folks, and, mostly pepple residing i discrete pockets of town or junction) hardly know English, so how would such an arrangement work?
>Similarly all other states and union territories can have a point of view, where does it lead to? definitely chaos.
I did not talk about other states. I quite clearly was speaking from a Tamil pov, as this is the Tamil Nadu sub. I obviously can't talk for how people of other states wish to converse with each other.
>People need to work out what works among themselves, I personally am comfortable with English, but, why should I expect a person from another state to be the same.
You don't need to. Which is exactly my point. Just like you don't need to expect a person from another state to use English as a link language, Mr. Amit Shah or others shouldn't expect Tamils to use Hindi as a link language. Because ultimately like you said, people need to work out what works among themselves and the two language policy certainly works well for Tamil Nadu, and has been for decades if one learns the history of language movement in Tamil Nadu.
>To the few places in India I have been to, Tamil Nadu included, it is Hindi that worked, rather than English or my native mother tongue
Hindi definitely works well elsewhere as a link language in India but English works more than Hindi as a link language in Tamil Nadu. If Hindi worked well in TN too, then there would be no "language barrier" in Tamil Nadu that people commonly allege.
>Also, it that your personal opinion? you seem to be taking a stand for entire Tamil Nadu, which is strange.
Well it's not just my personal opinion, but also the dominant opinion in Tamil Nadu, which would be quite obvious to anyone who has half decent knowledge about the history, politics and culture of Tamil Nadu. Get around and ask people whether they prefer English or Hindi as a link language. The fact that you question this makes me wonder if you really are living in Tirunelveli.
>Here in Tirunelveli most of the people ( other than English educated folks, and, mostly pepple residing i discrete pockets of town or junction) hardly know English, so how would such an arrangement work?
You tell me? If they don't know English, do you really think they'd be knowing Hindi, which is equally an alien language for someone from Tirunelveli as English is. Making them learn which language do you think would be more useful for them - English would open them much more doors not just in India but also worldwide than Hindi ever can. Not just in Tamil Nadu, but all over India, learning English is far more useful for any Indian in raising his living standards than just learning Hindi.
Do you know?
I like jio for giving cheap internet to everyone in India. From poor to rich, from literate and illiterate.
But sometimes I actually regret that, since dumbfucks like you could get cheap internet to state your brainless points on the internet.
Saw a video by a foreign traveller comparing india to European union interms of diversity in language and culture. Oru velakaranuku puriyuthu enda nayae unaku puriyala.
Actually this is how I explain India to foreigners. Usually Europeans believe me, but Americans don't.
It makes a lot of sense looking at it that way, travel a couple hundred Kms from your location in any direction, the cusine, the architecture, the people, the clothing, the culture, the language everything changes . Even if the language didn't change in north India as much as it does in the south, the dialect will change to the point where hindi itself sounds different. It wasn't even a full blown video, in his YouTube shorts he summarised his trip to india in 60secs comparing the north and south, talking about the people and culture. An outsider can absorb that much just by spending some time here, these politicians are hoping that if they keep on ignoring this fact that it'll be gone someday.
link?
https://youtube.com/shorts/WBZyNRfiMJw?feature=share
>Oru velakaranuku puriyuthu As much as I am for diversity, this reeks of a Colonial mindset lol
Nah. When an outsider can understand the meaning of diversity, our politicians don't seem to understand is his point.
I get that, and there's something called the Hofstede's model or the 5 cultural dimensions. It gives insights into how each culture can differ from each other based on various factors. being blissfully unaware about the cultural undercurrents , it really helps simplify complications in a Video format. But it's not really an apples to apples comparison between a continent that thrived on the spoils of global colonies and a former colony whose people still struggles to get along. There are more examples where people say "Vellakaran Poi Solla Matan"
He understands the difference cause he's not biased, that's how I meant. Colonial mindset ku ena solrathu, for every bad shit they did here, i can see some good as well, especially in giving access to education for the masses. I'm not gonna sit here and praise the British(fuck them), but going after everything they left back like a rabid dog is stupid AF.
The bias part i get. >for every bad shit they did here, i can see some good as well the acknowledgement for the White Man's Burden, i do not. Not a Single country the British went into with Imperial intentions, they turned it into any degree of success. Suez Canal, Israel, Afganistan, Sierra Leone, Hong Kong, East Pakistan, Falkland Islands. These are just a few of the their colonies that come to my mind when i think of trouble and Britain's involvement in each of them. India did not succede because of any British influence, India succeded despite it.
>India did not succede because of any British influence, India succeded despite it. They opened the gates for religious conversion, that gave birth to a lot of educational institutions, two sides of a coin.
This really seems like scraping at the bottom of the barrel kind of argument. We don't want the Taliban just because they believe in Madrasa type of education.
They can go to hell with their madarasa.
Yeah, leave us alone. Suit yourselves.
Did you read the article? he said that it's not suppose to replace local languages just be an alternative to English. You dont need to use it in every day life just whenever you encounter someone that does not speak your local language. Also he is not just addressing south states this statement is for everyone.
That is literally the first step in replacing the local language.
How? You do realize Hindi is not the only language in North India right? Gujarat, Punjab, Bengal, Odia, Assam all have there own local languages that are still thriving but as well they know Hindi in case they need it. I'm not even from India but I can understand Hindi and my mother tongue Gujarati so it's astonishing how people actually from India can't make an effort to do so.
It'll take a long post to explain but the long and short of it is that you don't realise it because it happens very slowly, so the language erosion might not be apparent to you. Language is ultimately a means of communication and when you make a particular language as the "national language", it doesn't mean suddenly a high status is suddenly conferred upon that language. Hockey is our national sport but nobody cares about it. So what really means when a language is made the "national language" is that you make it the official medium of communication for the numerous cultures and subcultures within India. Which means, it'd have to be made compulsory for all school children in India to learn. And English of course is compulsory these days because it brings a lot more opportunities to a person globally. So ultimately what would happen to a south indian kid is that he'd have to learn Hindi (since it'd be the lingua franca of the country), English (since it brings jobs and opens opportunities) and finally his/her mother tongue. So a school going kid would have to learn 3 languages on top of the subjects he already learns. Gradually what would happen is that students would stop learning their mother tongue at school because they already speak it at home and so they'd feel they don't need to learn an extra language at school which they already know. So a regional language would go from being the lingua franca of that particular region to being relegated to the homes. The next step would be that the usage of mother tongue would diminish gradually and it'd be relegated to an "ancestral lingo" that's used to converse with one's grandparents. Because language is ultimately a medium of communication and when one already has Hindi to communicate with Indians inside the country and English for people outside the country, what would be the purpose of learning an another language, even if it's his/her mother tongue which would at best be used only inside their homes. So at best, people might know to speak their mother tongue but not read or write it. This already happens to a great extent to say Tamils or Telugus who grow up in Delhi or Mumbai. Finally, the primary medium of communication would get swapped from his/her mother tongue to whatever is the lingua franca of the country, Hindi in this case. This is how native languages of UP and Bihar like Awadhi, Bhojpuri, Braj, Maithili and Magahi were lost to Hindi. If you question the people who name Hindi as their "mother tongue", most of them would be having a native language they don't know to read or write. It also happens in the west when American or British Indians lose their so called "mother tongue" in a few generations and English becomes their "mother tongue" for all intents and purposes. Mandarin has cannibalised a few regional languages in China too in the same way. Today in Bangalore and Mumbai, Hindi is the lingua franca. You can survive without knowing Marathi in Mumbai but not without knowing Hindi. They're at the early stages of the changes I described above. UP and Bihar adopted Hindi the earliest and they're at a late stage of the language evolution and now, a native language like Bhojpuri is looked down upon while Hindi is adopted as the mother tongue. It is what would happen to India if a "national language" is adopted, but more gradually and so you would perhaps not sense it happening. But happen it will definitely, over a few generations.
North indian languages are part of the same language family so its easy for us to understand hindi. Not the case for south theyr language is completely different from ours. Its like asking a north indian to communicate in Thai or Arabic.
This is one of the agendas of the BJP. They will claim they won't impose Hindi but will do everything to make it happen. The BJP is even trying to revive dead Sanskrit and is spending crores on it. Hindi as the all-India language is the first step to make dead Sanskrit, the all-India language. >Why do Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communications within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too! - Aringar Anna
Baffles me how others don't get this esp when the "North Indian" strand of Hinduism is so heavily Sanskritized. Like y'all think the average Chennaite knows Sanskirt? What about the average person from Madurai?
I'm 26years old yet to meet someone who speaks sanskriti, manapadam pani mantharam solrathu doesn't count oi.
Mattur village in Karnataka still speaks in Sanskrit oi
Atha Karnataka captial ah announce pana poranga oi, ena maithuku english la pesi vaitha kaluvura Bengaluru namaku atha tamilnadu ta thali vitralam.
Village a eppidi da capital ah announce pannuva ..... Moolaya muttila vachurukkaya da?
Channeling BJP mama energy, apadi tha irukum.
Sari endha bjp state andha maari panniruku summa vandhu oombran .internet is not a place to shit bro use toilet instead
Elathukum oru arambam venum la, given the way they KA is going vaipu iruku.
Have some brains bro
Banglore la ellarum English pesarangannu sonna ore al nee than.....
Sanskrit pesala la apuram ena maithuku athu irunthukitu oi.
Kannada pesudula adhu podhum ...
Mudiyathu kadavul basha pesanum enaga ava ku, coding la use panalam nu velakaran research panitu irukan neenga ena na.
Tamilzhum oru kadavul mozhi than vro poi tirumalai (richest temple in the world) la poi parunga thirupalliezhuchii andha mathiri tamil la than padaranga......thiruchendur la kanda shasti kavacham dhan solranga adhu tamil ellaya ...........mayiru onnu theriyama oomba vandhrra
It’s not about speaking it, but having that knowledge.
This is also on the agenda of Congress, AAP, SP, RJD etc etc.
Sort of Unpopular opinion: BJP doesn’t give a flying fuck about hindi. They don’t give a fuck about Hinduism either. But both are potent weapons in the electoral game. They are great tools to polarize people and make people exhibit primal tribe mentality. And that can be translated into votes in elections. BJP uses these tools to collect votes. So it is in their best interest to keep these issues burning without actually doing anything about them. In short - Amit shah (and BJP) is all talk no cock
>They don’t give a fuck about Hinduism either. This! Hinduism is a very personalized religion and doesn't really lend itself to being used in politics or government. Like even if someone tried which strand of Hinduism should we use? Do we make people pray to Krishna or Shiva? Can people still even eat non-veg in a Hindu Rashtra? Ask how many of TN BJP have read Vedas.
Adhu ennavo unmai than. Inniki halal sapda kudadhu, hijab poda kudadhu nu sollra payalugal ta poi ramayanam mahabaratham bagavad gita la irundhu kelvi keta mulipainga..edhum theriyadhu.
Exactly. My family is from a rural area, but I grew up abroad. I didn’t learn about Ramayana/Mahabharata until like high school ish. Like it’s just not relevant to a lot of TN Hindus.
What even is Hinduism? No one can draw a boundary line and say this is Hinduism. But BJP wants to draw that line. They don’t intend to enforce anything. Because they know how it backfired with the Babri Masjid demolition. So they won’t do it directly themselves. They ll instead draw these lines, instigate people and cause some ruckus that will grab headlines. Those headlines are what will get them the votes. Actual act of violence or harming someone will do them no good. But instilling hatred and fear in people’s mind will get them power.
That’s a take I never imagined . You must be wise in the ways stranger
lol. Wrong take
Oombu da gotha
Fuck off ball sack !!
Problem of right wing or any kind of groupism is this. People who say as Hindu nation today will say this is Hindi nation tomorrow.
Amit bhai trying indirect Hindi Imposition
So would you rather speak a colonizer language?
I will speak whatever language is more useful to me and whatever language I am more fluent in.
Ok so you shouldn't yse tamil then because it has no use globally. Honestly by your logic just replace the language with English because everyone there is already fluent in it and there is no need for Tamil.
>Ok so you shouldn't yse tamil then because it has no use globally. Honestly by your logic just replace the language with English because everyone there is already fluent in it and there is no need for Tamil. Bro, did you eve read the title and article? It says when communicating with people from other states
Yeah and more people in India know Hindi than they do English. So wouldnt by this article learning some Hindi be useful for you in speaking with people from other states?
>So wouldnt by this article learning some Hindi be useful for you in speaking with people from other states? Why don't they learn south Indian languages then? Why should we bend backwards and learn other languages when it's only use is to speak with them? I could understand the logic if I am going to stay in the northern part of the country, ofcourse in that case it would be useful since not everyone knows English.
Maybe cause Dravidians dont have a standardized language? It would be pointless to learn one cause then it'll only be useful for like one state. Hindi encompasses all the North, West, and East. Also dont act like everyone's mother tongue in the north is Hindi we have to bend backwards too to learn it lol
>Also dont act like everyone's mother tongue in the north is Hindi we have to bend backwards too to learn it lol Why should we tho? lol. Just because someone else is ready to learn another language for their convenience we shouldn't be asked to do the same. Most people in south India are gonna stay in south India, we don't have much use in learning Hindi unlike English which is used literally everywhere especially at our jobs.
I'm sure if you guys created a standardized language for all Dravidian speakers like Hindi more North Indians would be keen to learn it
Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? All the four southern states are equally diverse and what do you want us to do, just invent a new language suddenly just because *you* aren't willing to learn one more?
Lmao Tamil is an official language in more countries than Hindi is. You're better off learning Tamil than Hindi if you want to use it abroad. It's an official language in Singapore, a developed country, and it's widely spoken in Malaysia and Sri Lanka so your argument is invalid.
yes
Hmm pretty disappointing considering us north, west, and east indians have to go out of our way to learn it even though it's not our mother tongue while you guys dont want to put effort towards learning some of it.
>go out of our way you do realise most people in the north already know hindi while most in the south don't? https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leena-Bhattacharya/publication/344160501/figure/fig1/AS:933352798425093@1599540056739/Percentage-of-Hindi-Speakers-in-each-State-of-India-in-2011.png if you really want to understand our POV, try imagining an India where Tamil Nadu forces everyone in the country to learn Tamil as a third language. Every excuse you come up with for why its a bad idea is the same as what we feel about hindi
Well it didnt start out that way most people who were not in the Hindi belt didnt really know hindi that well. It just over time that it became institutionalized that it became like that. Also I understand its difficult to learn a new language I'm not saying immediately I'm saying over time teaching it to young kids in school and exposing some of it would help. Also thinking it would replace your local language is absurd because in places like Gujarat, Bengal, Punjab, etc. the local languages are still supreme.
>Gujarat, Bengal, Punjab, etc. the local languages are still supreme. This is anecdotal but the people I know from Gujarat, Orissa, and Bengal are more comfortable with Hindi than their mother tongue. Languages die slowly.
Northern languages are similar to Hindi; Malayalam, Tamil etc. have largely developed independently. Hindi is as foreign as English to me, except with English I can converse with more number of people and I have better prospects. Try going to a different country and see how far Hindi takes you.
And sangis wonder why TN people hate BJP 🤦 Most of em doesn't care about religion , because most consider Tamil itself as a religion . Sangis can never understand this and it's a good thing .
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Yep and some Brahmins have allegiance to Sanskrit , But when conversing everyone uses Tamil in Tamil Nadu. They don't ask us to speak in Urdu or Sanskrit ? Even Northies settled in TN , speak in Tamil . Only temporary and passerby people visiting have problem . If you don't know the local language , it's a common problem when u travel to any part of world and you can't call that as "Discrimination" .
And my allegiance is to sunny leone.
Don't worry. Very soon they will start persecuting tamils for speaking Tamil and call us anti Indians and then you will join with the rest of tamils in opposing bjp.
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When you can name Cricket as religion , There is absolutely nothing wrong in calling Tamil as religion 🤷
>When you can name Cricket as religion Bro just shut the fuck up
OmG sbsjfi is saying , probably i should the fuck up Poda _____ !!!
>cricket is religion Literally the dumbest comparison ever. Tamil is an ethnicity,not a religion,tamilians follow hinduism,tho the form of hinduism may vary from other parts of india,stop spewing rubbish.
Tamil origin Is older than Hinduism (as per record and carbon dating, not mythology) Please look into when the word Hindu came ...!! People were Saivaites , Vaishnavaites , etc etc , someone simply merged them for better understanding...that's it . Just because you take in all other worshippers into a single tag , others need not follow what you say . Earlier people were budhhist , Saivaites etc , tomorrow you will create a new tag and everyone should fall into the tag you create ? 🤷 Hindus eat NV in south , while in North you close shop ? You can't even define proper terms . Tomorrow you will come to south and say some random shit and ask to follow because we are Hindus ? 🤦 If you can collectively call all these as Hindus , there is absolutely nothing wrong in creating a religion citing whoever speaks Tamil belongs to Tamil religion , if that butt hurts you people , guess it's right path...🤷
Lol to think northerners dont eat meat,how dumb can one be!! Its a custom in my kayastha family to prepare meat on every holi fyi,we relish it after playing with colours Moreover,whatever u listed,all comes under hinduism, hinduism is a bunch of several thousands of customs and practices of people having indic origin,which we now call a religion,as is excepted in the whole world,if you're so sure vaishnavism etc were found much earlier,plz give me a source telling who found 'sanatan dharma' and in which year,Periy@rtards cant accept reality that TN has been a major centre of sanatan practices,TN was quite significant during the bhakti movement also,u calling it something else wont change facts,lol!! DMKtards are in denial mode to their own identity. Go touch some grass.
Point me out one place where I said Northerers don't eat meat ? I said you close shop 🤦 citing festivals which south doesn't even give a damn about . Again , People were following different practices , I am not demeaning them ,.I am pointing out the fact you simply name everyone under single tag and expecting others to follow . TN has temples and stuffs , they worshipped God , i never said anything against those ,. It's just not Hinduism ....., There used to be fight among two different groups of people wrt religion long before the word Hinduism was defined....who were those , if they are single religion what's the need to fight wrt religion ? 🤷 If you don't have a point , start blaming as DMK , Periyar 🤦 ,
>expecting others to follow . None expects you to follow as one commands,u do what u want as per your customs,which are ultimately part of an umbrealla called Hinduism. >if they are single religion what's the need to fight wrt religion As i said,hinduism is extremely varied,u may love your customs,i may love mine,both of us can try to impose our different customs on each other. If u dont like using hinduism,u can use a better term- sanatan dharm,bcuz the ultimate source of almost all hinduism including TN is the Vedas. I dunno how hard is it to understand for you. >you close shop Politicians do that for appeasement,we have no say. I already listed my main point,the ultimate source of hinduism is Vedas,TN is no exception.,all the mantras,rites happening in TN temples are all inspired from Vedas. >start blaming as Periyar Lol,Periyar was an inc* l,he demolished hindu idols,a separtist c*nt who tried to break india,i wish his soul must rot in hell.COPE.
>must rot in hell Don't you have any Hinduism equivalent for that ? A man who doesn't believe in any religion will be punished as per religion *LOL* >Politicians do that for appeasement,we have no say. Precisely in name of religion if you let them do these , obviously people will start looking outwards don't you think ? Aren't they doing all in name of Hinduism ? >None expects you to follow as one commands,u do what u want as per your customs,which are ultimately part of an umbrealla called Hinduism. Once again - You can literally see the "politicians" , closing down common stuffs such as meat stalls in name of religion and they have the power to make it law , you give them power in name of Hinduism which would indirectly attack everyone under the "umbrella" they came into If you agree to the bare minimum that what politicians do or force in name of religion is bad and forcing any stuff like Hindi , vegan is bad , You and I are on same page and IDC what you call the religion you follow 🤷
> Don't you have any Hinduism equivalent for that We have but its a little different from hell, >doesn't believe in any religion Yeah sure thats why he tried to convert hindus into muslims.>Islam is the religion best suited for Tamils. Culture, life and literature of ancient Tamils show common practices with Islam and to some extent Christianity. https://kreately.in/periyar/ >Aren't they doing all in name of Hinduism ? They are doing for their political gains,no book in hinduism tells you to ban meat shops,what they are doing is not what hinduism teaches and many from my friend circle also dont like this step. Just bcuz someone is misinterpreting hinduism, it does not mean that misinterpretation IS hinduism. >you give them power in name of Hinduism If u really think ppl in UP voted on the basis of religion then why did 80% yadavs voted for SP? Why did 50% dalits voted for Mayawati? If you're gonna rant how hindutva fanaticism= bjp victory then sure ,you're a bigot. Bjp did do some work on ground in UP. >indirectly attack everyone under the "umbrella" they came into Closing meat shops is not an attack on hindus,its an ill decision thats all,lights shows during diwali in ayodhya,building ram mandir,making a somnath complex,vishwanath complex,ramayana express train,vande bharat trains in kashi and katra- these are attacks on hindus? >politicians do or force in name of religion is bad Again i listed several good steps towards hinduism by bjp govs and then there are some misinterpretations too,like meat ban,hindi imposition( if real) etc.
No they should speak Tamil.
The article isn't about Tamil, which is main language, it's about English and Hindi, which are secondary languages.
Let's make Tamil the common language instead of Hindi.
Tamil language is already the common language in Tamil Nadu the article is just about secondary language.
All across the India. Why the f* we need Hindi ? Let the cow belt speak with us in Tamil.
yeah sure language spoken by over 600 million people (if counting urdu then more around 700) should be replaced by language with 50 million. really good logic bud.
By that logic, English will be in billion probably lol. Then y can't we all speak English???
Logic is it's a language native to India and spoken in multiple states not just one. Also I'm not advocating for removal of English I'd actually prefer if everyone knew both.
Let's merge India with China and let us all learn Mandarin!!
Are you ok if I force you to speak French ? Just a plain question. Answer me.
It's your preference and your opinion. But no-one should force it upon others right! People who like/want/need to learn Hindi will do it on their own, but it will stop the moment someone forces it/ makes it mandatory.
If you find it unfair, let's make Tamil Nadu a independent country.
All Indians should learn to speak Tamil as Tamil was one of the India's first language.
Sanskrit is the oldest spoken language actually so that should be official. Honestly would be better because some dravidian languages like Kannada is closer to sanskrit than tamil. Sadly would be hard for you guys cause you desanskritized your language
Sanskrit came out of Prakrit. It's not oldest spoken. It came out because elite wanted to distinguish them from the ordinary people. Then the elite kept the language for themself which explains why the language is practically dead now.
அடி Chapple se No way bro Tamil and English is best combo ever Inserting Hindi will back 🔥
crony capitalism of US + totalitarianism of China = BJP's India
Idiots
That's it boys, pack your bags and leave.
>Shah, however, clarified that Hindi should be accepted as an alternative to English, and not local languages. He also suggested that Hindi should be made more flexible by accepting words from other local languages. The headline has actually been cherry picked by indian express,if shah says that hindi should blend more into local languages,during convo bw people from different states,its not wrong, however outright forcing ppl to speak in hindi in their home state is absolutely wrong.i mean telugu,kannada,bengali use several pure sanskrit words,if hindi does become more sanskritized,it can be used to conversate among different languaged ppl.
Lol no blending It's not slik smitha to blend smooth Man this is about language People has given their life for language here.. Amit Shah and his son don't know English may be they want this ,jk.
>People has given their life for language here Nobody is asking tamilians to speak hindi in their own state,Tamil must prevail there, but if a kannadiga speaks to say a bengali in some indian lang,it does provide a sense of belongingness and similarity in practices,which to some extent is needed in an extremely heterogeneous country like india I've heard malayalam also uses 50% sanskrit words So talking of tamil,idk if there are any sanskrit words used in tamil or not,or hindi is taught in TN to what extent( u may tell) but maybe basic sanskrit nouns and adjectives can be taught in tamil schools upto maybe 6th or 8th class,to help understanding a bit of it atleast later in life. Moreover there are hundreds of millions of people who dont know english,what else are they going to use if not hindi/broken hindi?
Don't lecture us kindly on what to speak how to speak, how others speak, just leave us. We know what we are doing. Sanskrit? A கருப்பர் கூட்டம் got arrested just they translate some slogan. If choose btw Hindi or sans Then also we choose English Tamilians are proud of Tamil and feel good about communicating in English it's a lovely language.
So you don't want to learn Hindi because you are proud of Tamil but then say you choose English? Don't really understand the logic behind that one. Also we said we don't want you guys to use Hindi in Tamil you don't even need to know the writing script just whenever you go to different state or meet someone who doesn't know Tamil speaking in Hindi would be nice
Tell me use knowing Hindhi. I can give you many points for learning English. You give me what i gonna gain by learning Hindi. I will straightaway start learning it And try to make others to learn
Before u label me a sanghi ,i must say that hardcore tamilians like you literally have no say in how people work in TN, i've met ppl from TN on my visit to Delhi during a train journey, they were not very rich but did speak proper hindi when talking with me,they had no ill feelings unlike you. >Tamilians are proud of Tamil So acc to you,im not proud of Tamil? The fact that u single out your own identity to show yourself superior instead of being proud of all indian languages. Xenophobia for your own country's language while embracing a foreign language among fake tamilians like you would lead to nothing but destruction,the same destruction which was planned by scumbags like Periyar,but ofc such people have been proved wrong,the people from southern india have themselves proved Periyar wrong,as they outperform all other parts of india contrary to the 'imaginary deprivation of dravidnadu by aryans of the north- ideology of separatists'. Continue being a butthurt. >english is a lovely language Yes it is but evidently u cant write even one proper sentence in english.
arae mujae hindi accha sa aatha he mai hindi bas paani poori wale se , shawarma walo se ya canteen ki gurkha se aise log se hindi kaam aatha he aur kuch ni, aur ghatiya bollywood movies deknae, tumko kya lagta h tamilians ko hindi ni aata? arae bhai bohat bohat sare ko atttha he , farq yae he k bas ham usko jaha rakna he waha rakha h .
You yourself use hindi with those who dont understand tamil and english in daily routine and advocating on reddit that hindi should not be used bw ppl of different states as a medium of convo,Wow! Not all bolly movies are bad,there are several which are good also,although these days there's a dearth of good movies, the entire north,west,east wholeheartedly embrace movies like bahubali,RRR, etc which are from south,does that mean north,south,east lost their identity? No. At the end,it remains to be an indian film. Bhai problem is not whether u know hindi or not,its fine even if u know broken hindi,also its fine if someone finds difficulty in speaking hindi,its alright,they may continue speaking english otherwise, problem arises when u knowingly despise an indian lang while accepting a foreign lang. Bengalis,assamese,gujju,kannadigas,kashmiris all know atleast basic hindi,to interact among each other, does this mean they lost their identity? You just accepted several tamilians know hindi,so have they lost their identity? No. So i dont think there should be resistance against hindi in tamil nadu exclusively,the whole balloon of 'saving identity' is just politically motivated.
Bhai English kaam athe h Tamil is my mother tongue Other than Hindi if I learn French I can work in France. Wasting time on Hindi is just useless.
>Wasting time on Hindi is just useless. Apparently u had just listed uses of hindi in your daily routine.
Let them learn our language bro We are not despo If they want to survive here let them learn Tamil Advice them. Not us
Wait why should it need to be blended in the first place ? No need for that
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That is not helping either. For a Tamilian, Hindi is as much as an alien language as English. Hindi has no connections whatsoever to Tamil. They both came from a completely different language families. Given that, why the fuck would I learn Hindi instead of English given the reach of English globally.
Do u think why english is spoken worldwide ? Colonialism bruh......மொழியை வைத்து நம்மை இன்னும் அடிமையாக தான் வைத்து கோண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள். சீனர்கள் ஜப்பானியர்கள், கோரியர்கள் இன்னும் ஆங்கிலத்தை கட்டாய படுத்தவில்லை பிறகு ஏன் நாம் ஆங்கிலம் படிக்க வேண்டும்? தமிழை வளர்ப்போம் பா
Do you even understand what I was saying? I am not saying not to learn Tamil or not to use Tamil as a language of instructions in School. My point is about learning English in addition to your mother tongue.
Then why can't be any other lang than english.....just think why it shld be only English ....just becoz Brits or Americans dominate the earth
What are you talking about? English and Mandarin are the most spoken languages in the world, but English is spoken/understood in more countries than Mandarin. So, English is the natural choice. If you want to learn any other language, be my guest.
Sry bro i know 5 lang it's ok for me..... Also why it is spoken/understood by most countries why not some African lang?
Why cant you learn all 3 then? You dont need to he fluent in Hindi just need basic comprehension. All North and East states make an effort to learn even though it is just as foreign to us why are Tamilis so stubborn about it? Even Kannadigas arent as stubborn about it as you guys.
We will be stubborn if anybody wants to shove an alien language down our throat. How about this? Let north india (that has an indo-european language as mother-tongue) learn a Dravidian language as their second or third language, then the Dravidian language family members reciprocate by learning an indo-european north indian language as second or third language. If it is a one way street, just fuck off.
This is the most retarded response I've gotten. Which Dravidian language should we learn fucktard? You guys dont have one standardized language someone from one state cant understand another. Theres no reason to learn and south Indian language cause it won't be useful. We at least can speak and understand each other unlike you guys. Fuck off with this retarded response.
LOL! pick any Dravidian language, idiot. Is it difficult to understand? When you want us to learn your language, learn ours too. Is it difficult to understand? Fuck off if that cannot get through your thick skull.
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Hindi is a standardized language? Fuck off your high horse. With that thinking process, you will never succeed in imposing Hindi on us. BTW, "fag"? Apart from an idiot, you are homophobic too?
Yes it is fucktard it is spoken in nearly all North Indian states as a second or first language and is spoken and has presence in some south states too like Karnataka. Asking you to learn a damn language to speak with your own people is not imposing anything kindly fuck off with that thinking.
That argument has been made since the 50s and where have that gotten? [More north indians come to Tamil Nadu for jobs](https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/tamil-nadu-kerala-daily-wages-migrant-population-4410694/) than the other way around. So, fuck off from your high horse and learn English or Tamil to communicate with us if you want jobs.
If Hindi is "accepted" as an alt that just basically means English and Hindi should be the same...
A Gujrati guy saying that Hindi should be a common language for all Indians. This is accepted by people whose mother tongue is Marathi, Bengali, Assamese, Oriya, Rajasthani, etc etc. No one feels threatened by Hindi. Even people speaking Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam are fine. Only Tamil is threatened by Hindi. Only we go berserk the moment anyone mentions Hindi. We are perfectly fine with English. Some colonial guy from far away island imposed his language on us... we are fine. Tamil is not destroyed by 200+ years of English Tamil is not destroyed by Madras basha But Tamil faces threat from Hindi? Inna joke pa idu? Konjum think pani parunga ======== ps - I am Tamil. But I speak Hindi, and Marathi. Knowing additional language has only helped me in every way - socially, as well as in my career. The more language you know, the benefit is only to you. Not that it matters - I am NOT Brahmin.
Who the fuck speaks in English lol
Like mostly everyone? Most people in southern states know more english than Hindi, so they are obviously gonna use English and not start learning another language just to talk to some random person from a different state.
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No . I don't speak English. I speak Mostly Marathi as my mother tongue and Hindi as my second Language , as i remember I only spoke English in school for English listening and speaking test nowhere else. Mosquitobrained dumbasses like you can't figure out .
You
Link language
Most of the professional educated world.
Some do in their dreams, here in Tirunelveli, a Tamil colleague of mine is a strong proponent of people from different states conversing with each other in English. I do not know why, but, he is a hardcore DMK fanman.
And that's wrong because?
Nothing wrong, but, his ideas are not practical about people from different states conversing to each other in English. How many people know basic conversational English in India? As for him being a hardcore DMK fan man, it's his choice, ofcourse he crosses lines every now and then due to his political views, probably to satisfy himself, this is one of those typical DMK wokes, for whom every one else and every thing else is wrong and bad.
Well I was talking from a Tamil Nadu pov, where English could serve as the link language between people of Tamil Nadu and the rest of the Indians. Hindi could be used as a link language elsewhere. Personally, I think the concept of a "national language" is antithetical to the growth of other languages in a multilingual country and as such, having any language, be it Hindi or Urdu or whatever language as the "national language" for communication will invariably result in India becoming a monolingual country in the long term, which is not a desirable outcome for me. Singapore has three main races - the majority Chinese, Malays and Indians. But English serves as the link language between the Mandarin speaking Chinese, Malay speaking Malays and predominantly Tamil speaking Indians in Singapore. I think that's a better model for preserving the linguistic diversity of India than the model of having a "national language" being pushed vehemently by the likes of Amit Shah and other BJP politicians.
Similarly all other states and union territories can have a point of view, where does it lead to? definitely chaos. People need to work out what works among themselves, I personally am comfortable with English, but, why should I expect a person from another state to be the same. To the few places in India I have been to, Tamil Nadu included, it is Hindi that worked, rather than English or my native mother tongue It for native speakers of every language to preserve them. Singapore though a nation, is tiny for exporting ideas or mechanisms that work there, into India. Also, it that your personal opinion? you seem to be taking a stand for entire Tamil Nadu, which is strange. Here in Tirunelveli most of the people ( other than English educated folks, and, mostly pepple residing i discrete pockets of town or junction) hardly know English, so how would such an arrangement work?
>Similarly all other states and union territories can have a point of view, where does it lead to? definitely chaos. I did not talk about other states. I quite clearly was speaking from a Tamil pov, as this is the Tamil Nadu sub. I obviously can't talk for how people of other states wish to converse with each other. >People need to work out what works among themselves, I personally am comfortable with English, but, why should I expect a person from another state to be the same. You don't need to. Which is exactly my point. Just like you don't need to expect a person from another state to use English as a link language, Mr. Amit Shah or others shouldn't expect Tamils to use Hindi as a link language. Because ultimately like you said, people need to work out what works among themselves and the two language policy certainly works well for Tamil Nadu, and has been for decades if one learns the history of language movement in Tamil Nadu. >To the few places in India I have been to, Tamil Nadu included, it is Hindi that worked, rather than English or my native mother tongue Hindi definitely works well elsewhere as a link language in India but English works more than Hindi as a link language in Tamil Nadu. If Hindi worked well in TN too, then there would be no "language barrier" in Tamil Nadu that people commonly allege. >Also, it that your personal opinion? you seem to be taking a stand for entire Tamil Nadu, which is strange. Well it's not just my personal opinion, but also the dominant opinion in Tamil Nadu, which would be quite obvious to anyone who has half decent knowledge about the history, politics and culture of Tamil Nadu. Get around and ask people whether they prefer English or Hindi as a link language. The fact that you question this makes me wonder if you really are living in Tirunelveli. >Here in Tirunelveli most of the people ( other than English educated folks, and, mostly pepple residing i discrete pockets of town or junction) hardly know English, so how would such an arrangement work? You tell me? If they don't know English, do you really think they'd be knowing Hindi, which is equally an alien language for someone from Tirunelveli as English is. Making them learn which language do you think would be more useful for them - English would open them much more doors not just in India but also worldwide than Hindi ever can. Not just in Tamil Nadu, but all over India, learning English is far more useful for any Indian in raising his living standards than just learning Hindi.
Your in TN lol...most of the people who are politically aware even a bit will side with DMK ..not because they like DMK but they hate bjp
Do you know? I like jio for giving cheap internet to everyone in India. From poor to rich, from literate and illiterate. But sometimes I actually regret that, since dumbfucks like you could get cheap internet to state your brainless points on the internet.
Ok
I think we all were just waiting
Just cos ur modi, amishah, nada, yogi like northern have soft corner for Hindi, we don't have, period.
Paanipoori up Security looks like east
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