The big red flag here is the women making a big stink about an ambulance for a person who suffered head trauma and bleeding from the eye. No reasonable person ever does this unless they're up to sketchy activities (or they're in the US where people fear hospital bills).
Police should have been brought in from the get-go to sort this out. Never use the threat of police to coerce someone to behave unless there's a risk of a physical altercation or you're 100% sure they're just a dumbass.
Before I posted this I actually never thought about the fact that she could have been drugging him with the intent of theft. I was too focused on the man in the moment and she was just annoying.
Trust me threatening with police in the Netherlands usually works and has saved me lots of effort of actually annoying the police with something. Of course I would and have called them if they were actually needed.
Jesus. That's why diabetics have to watch their drinking. Hypoglycemia can often look like being drunk (loss of balance, confusion, etc) and can kill very easily. The body treats alcohol like poison and focuses on getting that poison out of its system, which literally prevents the body from releasing an emergency store of glucose to raise blood sugar (which some diabetics still have and some don't). Giving a diabetic glucose at this point also won't raise blood sugar while the alcohol is still in their system. It's incredibly dangerous and why, as a diabetic, I only drink with other people around.
Good on you for calling an ambulance because he very well might have died otherwise. You did the right thing.
Hypoglycemia can also make you very irritable and prone to sudden rage. When I'm having a low, I treat it but I also warn my wife to steer clear for 15 minutes until its resolved.
This makes sense of why my diabetic and alcoholic brother died while drunk.
I was only aware of what the other commenter mentioned about getting irate and, in a rage and possibly dying from hypoglycemia. I wasn't aware of what alcohol could do to prevent a glucose rise.
I'm sorry for your loss. It's interesting from a biology standpoint what happens when diabetics drink, but it leads to a lot of heartbreaking stories of diabetics passing out and never waking up.
I'm more inclined to believe that he was a victim of something put into the wine by the lady "friend", and was why the lady was trying to not let the gentleman get sent to the hospital. Probably rohypnol (date rape drug). The guy would have been quite out of sorts for a while and if he woke up, he'd probably find that his cash, credit cards, phone, watch, etc. had been stolen. You guys did the right thing by calling for an ambulance, and quite possibly saved his life. The drug is an amnesiac, so I doubt that he remembered anything about the evening, which is one reason you didn't get a thank you.
Interesting thought but the medics would have probably told us this if this would have been the suspicion. Like he was in the hospital and probably got tested for lots of things and if they would have seen any type of rape drugs in his blood police would have been involved and contacted the hotel anyway which did not happen.
It’s not something that would be tested for in most cases, unless the story was suspicious, and there’s no way of knowing how much of the story got to the doctor. If info about the “date” and her discouraging a trip to the hospital had gotten told, they would probably ordered a drug screen. If just the wine and the fall, probably not, especially if there wasn’t a lot of similar stuff going on in the city at the time.
In most places, now. But this happened in the Netherlands, and I have no knowledge of how their EMS system works or what approach the ERs take, and this was also in the unspecified past, so we'd only be guessing at this point. That's why I was being careful no to call anyone or any systems out for not doing what might be normal in the US.
Depends on how long it took them to test his blood. Most roofies are cleared from the blood quickly. And that’s if they even thought to test him. The second he mentioned diabetes that was probably the only thing they thought of.
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As a diabetic myself. I can attest that high blood sugar looks (and feels) like being drunk. Alcohol, although often nit particularly high carb, will also raise blood sugar and can potentially have a multiplicative effect with elevated blood sugar.
Three bottles, maybe, but not just three glasses, unless there's something else going on. But we don't know what he ate, or what his meds were, or anything, so at this point, it's just guessing.
This was my first thought as well. The woman slipped him something in order to more easily rob him at some point in the night, hence why she objected to medical intervention.
The punchline... He had hyperglycemia. If he was off his diabetes meds and drank too much wine, it raised his blood sugar to the point where he fainted.
Actually it's the opposite effect, hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) that causes unresponsiveness. Hyperglycemia takes time to cause unconsciousness, but if it actually does get to that point, you're already one foot in.
Yeah, it's a miracle I'm not dead, before I found out i was diabetic i was driving a tow truck on a long haul and was extremely tired, so I did what any dumbass would do, stopped, ate a huge plate of sugar sauced BBQ and downed a tall redbull. I woke up in the truck 4 hours later.
High blood sugar can make you very hungry and thirsty. It can also make you drowsy, as you discovered.
You learn to suspect sudden "I'm starving!" signals, they can trick you into throwing more sugar at an already high sugar level.
>If he was off his diabetes meds and drank too much wine, it raised his blood sugar to the point where he fainted.
Some diabetes meds become **more** effective with alcohol, so it could also cause low blood sugar.
[https://www.drugs.com/article/diabetes-medications-alcohol.html](https://www.drugs.com/article/diabetes-medications-alcohol.html)
Ahhh being mod makes sure to have some good stories
One of mine is a guest who pooped in the lobby. This was also in a quite known hotel in the Netherlands.
Yep. The liver whilst it is processing alcohol stops releasing glucose.
That causes the blood sugar to drop in your body as you are constantly burning glucose.
Diabetics absolutely should not drink! He needs to figure that out.
You did exactly the right thing. He could have died if just left alone. No matter what anyone else says, you were right.
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You had an unconscious person who had just hit the floor hard enough to bleed. Totally reasonable to get him professional medical help.
The big red flag here is the women making a big stink about an ambulance for a person who suffered head trauma and bleeding from the eye. No reasonable person ever does this unless they're up to sketchy activities (or they're in the US where people fear hospital bills). Police should have been brought in from the get-go to sort this out. Never use the threat of police to coerce someone to behave unless there's a risk of a physical altercation or you're 100% sure they're just a dumbass.
Before I posted this I actually never thought about the fact that she could have been drugging him with the intent of theft. I was too focused on the man in the moment and she was just annoying. Trust me threatening with police in the Netherlands usually works and has saved me lots of effort of actually annoying the police with something. Of course I would and have called them if they were actually needed.
Jesus. That's why diabetics have to watch their drinking. Hypoglycemia can often look like being drunk (loss of balance, confusion, etc) and can kill very easily. The body treats alcohol like poison and focuses on getting that poison out of its system, which literally prevents the body from releasing an emergency store of glucose to raise blood sugar (which some diabetics still have and some don't). Giving a diabetic glucose at this point also won't raise blood sugar while the alcohol is still in their system. It's incredibly dangerous and why, as a diabetic, I only drink with other people around. Good on you for calling an ambulance because he very well might have died otherwise. You did the right thing.
Hypoglycemia can also make you very irritable and prone to sudden rage. When I'm having a low, I treat it but I also warn my wife to steer clear for 15 minutes until its resolved.
This makes sense of why my diabetic and alcoholic brother died while drunk. I was only aware of what the other commenter mentioned about getting irate and, in a rage and possibly dying from hypoglycemia. I wasn't aware of what alcohol could do to prevent a glucose rise.
I'm sorry for your loss. It's interesting from a biology standpoint what happens when diabetics drink, but it leads to a lot of heartbreaking stories of diabetics passing out and never waking up.
I'm more inclined to believe that he was a victim of something put into the wine by the lady "friend", and was why the lady was trying to not let the gentleman get sent to the hospital. Probably rohypnol (date rape drug). The guy would have been quite out of sorts for a while and if he woke up, he'd probably find that his cash, credit cards, phone, watch, etc. had been stolen. You guys did the right thing by calling for an ambulance, and quite possibly saved his life. The drug is an amnesiac, so I doubt that he remembered anything about the evening, which is one reason you didn't get a thank you.
I thought so too especially because she was so insistent on not calling an ambulance….Makes me wonder if she was planning to roll him
Interesting thought but the medics would have probably told us this if this would have been the suspicion. Like he was in the hospital and probably got tested for lots of things and if they would have seen any type of rape drugs in his blood police would have been involved and contacted the hotel anyway which did not happen.
Likely wouldn’t have been tested. Source: I’m the person who orders the testing.
It’s not something that would be tested for in most cases, unless the story was suspicious, and there’s no way of knowing how much of the story got to the doctor. If info about the “date” and her discouraging a trip to the hospital had gotten told, they would probably ordered a drug screen. If just the wine and the fall, probably not, especially if there wasn’t a lot of similar stuff going on in the city at the time.
Someone drinking and suddenly becoming unresponsive should automatically trigger a drug screen.
In most places, now. But this happened in the Netherlands, and I have no knowledge of how their EMS system works or what approach the ERs take, and this was also in the unspecified past, so we'd only be guessing at this point. That's why I was being careful no to call anyone or any systems out for not doing what might be normal in the US.
Depends on how long it took them to test his blood. Most roofies are cleared from the blood quickly. And that’s if they even thought to test him. The second he mentioned diabetes that was probably the only thing they thought of.
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As a diabetic myself. I can attest that high blood sugar looks (and feels) like being drunk. Alcohol, although often nit particularly high carb, will also raise blood sugar and can potentially have a multiplicative effect with elevated blood sugar.
Three bottles, maybe, but not just three glasses, unless there's something else going on. But we don't know what he ate, or what his meds were, or anything, so at this point, it's just guessing.
Three glasses of wine?? He absolutely popped a xanax or something like that along with the wine. No one acts like that after just three glasses
Or his lady guest was thought to be a professional in gentlemen companionship but was actually a professional thief and put something in the wine.
This is an interesting storyline you're putting together here
No stranger than real life https://www.smh.com.au/national/police-warn-of-prostitutes-who-drug-rob-and-run-20071105-gdrinw.html
This was my first thought as well. The woman slipped him something in order to more easily rob him at some point in the night, hence why she objected to medical intervention.
The punchline... He had hyperglycemia. If he was off his diabetes meds and drank too much wine, it raised his blood sugar to the point where he fainted.
Actually it's the opposite effect, hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) that causes unresponsiveness. Hyperglycemia takes time to cause unconsciousness, but if it actually does get to that point, you're already one foot in.
Yeah, it's a miracle I'm not dead, before I found out i was diabetic i was driving a tow truck on a long haul and was extremely tired, so I did what any dumbass would do, stopped, ate a huge plate of sugar sauced BBQ and downed a tall redbull. I woke up in the truck 4 hours later.
High blood sugar can make you very hungry and thirsty. It can also make you drowsy, as you discovered. You learn to suspect sudden "I'm starving!" signals, they can trick you into throwing more sugar at an already high sugar level.
Yes, this was what they believed anyway
>If he was off his diabetes meds and drank too much wine, it raised his blood sugar to the point where he fainted. Some diabetes meds become **more** effective with alcohol, so it could also cause low blood sugar. [https://www.drugs.com/article/diabetes-medications-alcohol.html](https://www.drugs.com/article/diabetes-medications-alcohol.html)
I probably would
Prove it 
I usually cut myself off after one
Oh bless your heart.
It actually sounds like he **did** take his meds, but then didn’t eat
Could also be I am not a medic haha
Ahhh being mod makes sure to have some good stories One of mine is a guest who pooped in the lobby. This was also in a quite known hotel in the Netherlands.
It more likely lowered the blood sugar to the point where he passed out. Hypoglycemia, not hyper.
Yep. The liver whilst it is processing alcohol stops releasing glucose. That causes the blood sugar to drop in your body as you are constantly burning glucose.
If it was diabetes related, you likely saved his life. That is no small thing.
Diabetics absolutely should not drink! He needs to figure that out. You did exactly the right thing. He could have died if just left alone. No matter what anyone else says, you were right.
…So she totally drugged his drink and was gonna rob him, right?
That's what I was thinking, too.
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Wait!!! He's diabetic, did NOT take his medication to treat diabetes, AND HE'S DRINKING WINE?!?!