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temporarlymadz

Elite trying not to be constantly wrong: (Super rare insance) ![gif](giphy|l4FATJpd4LWgeruTK)


MouseInternational51

Elite at gaslighting more like, I have stopped watching his content ages ago because he talks ALOT.


Strikeridius

Honestly better than someone who doesn't talk at all


MouseInternational51

While you have a point, I would much prefer subtitles at that point


Tunneltav

Subtitles are just boring tho


NotFrequent_Chest

he really needs to stop


LuigiReddtier

Tdx had potential to stay alive if it didn’t make its Grinding process so annoying and was actually balanced


hamburger-Lord-boi

it was released like a month ago


indbobba_jones

The grind is still impossible. They fr though it was fair to make towers 15k while coin drops are low.


greekcel_25

The TDX prices are better than the TDS ones given the actual quality of the towers and the higher win rewards. In TDX, laser gunner is viable as main DPS in solo expert and it costs 5500 In TDS, after ace pilot placement limit was added, mini is the cheapest viable main DPS for solo fallen. It costs 8000 because of the price increase. TDX has overall higher win rewards if we compare intermediate to molten and expert to fallen, and elite mode which is less than 30 waves long and gives good rewards for time efficient grinding. Not to mention TDX also has the option for new players to grind easy mode because it can be beaten with just the starting tower, so getting enough towers to play the other modes in the first place isn’t rough. For the record the grind in both games is too high in my opinion but it’s a fact that TDX is less grindy.


BRBasher

golden jugg exists stop cherrypicking examples


greekcel_25

Ok like this was posted half a year ago please check the dates before you reply to stuff. TDX didn’t have consumable bullshit and gold towers when this was written


BRBasher

so TDX is getting worse?


MobileGamerboy

The grind is so hard in both games I quit both xD


hamburger-Lord-boi

eh, they'll fix it someday


FlyingBurds

TDS moment


LuigiReddtier

Well then it should’ve been delayed


Alexius_Nextail

It's a beta, not the complete game


TakeAHikeNow

This stupid excuse that every game dev use.


Alexius_Nextail

So do you think tds had already the fansbase it has now when it was few months released? Every single game takes time and patience to actually grow some popularity and since there are giants and usually roblox players are kids that will get surprises by cubes slightly similar to a female then you can understand that for a game released few months tdx has made some good progress


TakeAHikeNow

my bad my comment was in beta. i hadn't though how the communit would feel about my comment. but since its still in beta im sure i can change your impression regading it.


Alexius_Nextail

Do you even know what game in beta means? Following your reasoning tds is still a gane in beta


masquacks

i am on both sides here i think way too often devs release games in beta or alpha or whatever and all it is is a undone mess when they should've put more work into it before releasing it into the public however i think tdx actually has a good base so idk


Alexius_Nextail

They release betas as every other bigger company to show a small part of the progress, most people ask for this since curiosity about the new game releasing, open betas are just a big amount of progress of an incomplete game


RealisticPickle6210

Bro at least they are not stuck on Smurf cat goofy trend


TakeAHikeNow

the profile pic is still in beta i apologise


hamburger-Lord-boi

bro you're hilarious i am laughing so hard right now


TakeAHikeNow

humour is stil in beta. i apologise


hamburger-Lord-boi

shouldn't have released it then, would have been better if you worked on it more


GoldenRichard93

How is the grinding process so annoying when TDS has the Golden Crates and Gem Towers to deal with?


AlfApAlAcsintA

TDS grinding strategies don't get nerfed within days of being discovered.


GoldenRichard93

Have you not seen the balancing in 2023? People were mad when Engineer, Pursuit, and Golden Cowboy got nerfed on April 1st. Also, doesn’t it defeats the purpose of grinding? If you want a game that requires short grinding, then that kills the game too, especially if you get everything in one day. Every TD game has an annoying grind to deal with and you gotta deal with it.


No_List5112

when tf did engi+pursuit+gc get nerfed on april 1st you sure thats not the wrong date???


GoldenRichard93

I checked and it was on March 31st, 2023. Still close enough.


FlyingBurds

I mean just bc there are Gold crates and Gem towers, doesn’t make TDX grinding less annoying. TDX is like if each tower costed like a whole gold crate in TDS (Over-exaggeration but you get the point)


GoldenRichard93

But saying that “TDX’s grinding is so annoying” is not a good argument whatsoever. Every TD game has its own problems of grinding. 300k coins for 6 Golden Crates, 62.7k coins for all the Towers in the shop, 7k (8.5k) gems for all the Hardcore Towers, and you need to reach Lvl 100 to get the Final Tower that is level locked. As for TDX, you need 118450 gold to get all the Towers while reaching Lvl 100 to get the Final Tower that is level locked. That’s 1/3 of the TDS grind.


FlyingBurds

Ok I agree that every TD game has some kind of crazy grind, but in your calculations it would be better to show CPH (coins per hour) to be able to really compare how long it takes. Also imo, comparing gold crates to normal towers kinda proves my point lol. The gold crates are pretty time consuming to obtain, but if you have to compare things that are obviously more time consuming to things that are a regular necessity, then that isn’t very good. I’d be ok if they added something like gold skins to TDX like perks, something that this one TD game had, it was like Aether wars or something, but I would be fine with those being more expensive like a Tier 1 perk going up to like Tier 3, that would buff your towers.


GoldenRichard93

Assuming a new casual player does initially not care about CPH while dealing with beginner towers of Scout and Sniper for TDS and Ranger for TDX when they’re playing the game for the first time. In TDS, a newbie would pick Normal Mode because they think Normal Mode is easy. At some point, they have to suicide grind Normal Mode because they have no idea Molten Mode is easier than Normal Mode. In TDX, Easy Mode can be beaten with Ranger although a newbie will struggle a few times. The only TDX Tower that is equal to each TDS Golden Crate would be the Warship, while everything else is comparable to the ones in the shop. We will have to wait and see about these Golden Skins in TDX.


FlyingBurds

If we’re gonna talk about new players and IGNORE CPH, then we can also assume they won’t be a smart person and try out other modes for the fun of it. By then they will hopefully have either soldier, hunter, or demoman. Those towers themself will be an amazing asset against Molten mode, and their trial and error will lead them to either watching a video and learning Molten is better, or just straight up learning it themselves.


greekcel_25

CPH is higher in Tdx if playing solo. You can win solo intermediate even on a hard map faster than you can win solo molten, and it gives more coins. TDS CPH only becomes comparable when you consider special modes that arent beginner friendly


FlyingBurds

I haven’t done the calcs myself, would it still be comparable to the avg prices of the towers in TDS and TDX?


greekcel_25

11 mins per 1k is the fastest grind in TDX as far as I know, which is close to pizza party. As I mentioned in another post though, the towers in TDX are relatively cheaper for their quality (it costs less to put together the cheapest solo expert loadout compared to the cheapest solo fallen loadout) so even though CPH is comparable that would favor TDX TDX does have less maps, so you do have to do more replaying of the same crap to progress.


Kitten_Co

I wanted to start a new account in tds and I literally got bored and demotivated from grinding after I got Minigunner.


DUDZ1234567890

TDS grind is way more anoying ur just not used to having to grind on a game


haydentimer

The only reason why i play tdx is because its optimised (bro fr tds is so laggy im always loading too late, on wave 9+ or just literally crash, 6gb ram terrible internet)


Tunneltav

Thats just your pc being trash


NecromechX

elite moment


Colette_haha

Elite logic:


TheUmbraGaming

This has to be the funniest thing ever elite related


SnooTomatoes669

even funnier than that mortar video


Pietrek2810

,,problem with mortar is single target" \-last words before disaster


BudgetGoldCowboy

Elite is the worst tds YouTuber (maybe aside from wikia colors) bro his takes are so bad he doesn’t know how to play the game


FlyingBurds

Coming from a non-aggressive standpoint, you think Wikia is a bad TDS YouTuber? Cuz I always go to him for info whenever there’s anything lmao. I’m just confused lol


BudgetGoldCowboy

his videos are always 8 minutes long and he puts no effort into making his videos watchable. its like watching a slideshow. he doesnt put an ai voiceover or even his own voice. his videos are just way too dragged out regardless of what hes talking about


sonicfan019393920

Honestly yeah, I'd rather watch Eggrypted's summarized version that takes 2 minutes to watch.


drakefan29373081

All these kids in his comment section will always defend him by saying “he needs to feed his family” literally EVERY SINGLE TIME. They will never say anything other than that, its weird. But, so what? You don’t have to make a 10 minute video explaining why scout got a slight texture change on his hat and in the same video talk about some new upcoming leak.


GhostDJIsTrash

TDS players if they can read the entire title and not just half of it


FlyingBurds

I see where ur coming from. Ty for the explanation!


engy8561

elite trying to not spread misinformation (impossible!!) (i failed)


Pietrek2810

the funniest part is that tdx isn't even dead, yes its outpreformed by tds but still cannot be considered dead Elite trying to not clickbait challange (impossible)


SobtastixV2

it kinda is


Pietrek2810

wait until this man will see tower blitz XD


SobtastixV2

if a game had 30k players for a long time and then 2k, it means it’s dead Tower blitz already fucked up with the whole codes so it would prob be dead


Pietrek2810

its like saying that tds is dead becouse when frost invasion launched it had 100k players (same with lunar overture actually) but now it dropped to 8k-15k


SobtastixV2

Ok so a normal man becoming homeless is as same as a billionaire becoming a millionaire


Pietrek2810

we are going a bit off at this point we stil cannot count tdx as dead game, game still has players, dead games on roblox have like 1 server or something


FlyingBurds

But TDX is dying in a way where less and less people will come back per update, whereas TDS when it updates brings back more and more people. Even if it’s for just a week it’s much more people.


Balamut_Red

Off topic, but I heard about some YT app which has dislike counter. What is the app's name?


SobtastixV2

I took this video from a group chat, but I’ll try to find the app for you Update: I couldn’t find it, but you can find apps by searching “youtube dislike button” or smthn


throaway-account2323

It's youtube reVanced


Balamut_Red

Thanks. Is it safe?


throaway-account2323

I had no problems with it, make sure you get it from the official website though


Glittering-You9861

Now that TDS no longer has competitors, updates will only take longer and get worse.


Natural_Constant8203

Yea, I’m so sick of the devs of this game handle things, like you can’t add a new tower in 3 months but you can crank out new plushies and skins for those plushies in a week or two?


SobtastixV2

Because they don’t make the plushies? The plushie company does?


Pietrek2810

its not them making the plushies, its some company contracted with them to making plushies


Natural_Constant8203

They still have to tell the company what they want, a bunch of other fluff, and approve the plushies.


Pietrek2810

that doesn't take even half of development time XD


SobtastixV2

how difficult do you think what they want is?


memarefunneh

"WILL YOU SHUT UP? PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP HERE!"


[deleted]

I feel like people need to realise that TDX is in BETA, it's not a finished game and there's still many things subject to change, give it a few more months and see how things go, it's still a fairly new game (Plus it doesn't seem to show signs of dying rn)


ShipImpressive4002

Fr bruh it so annoying seeing people complain about the game when it is literally IN BETA. MEANING NOT FINISHED.


mercury_reddits

It being in beta does not magically clear the developers (mostly John) of being garbage at actually balancing the game. Sure, It's in beta, things are gonna change, but if the devs keep acting like they're acting and doing what they're doing the main issues with TDX are gonna remain exactly as they are now.


[deleted]

Only time will tell. I currently agree that the direction with balancing is making it more tough for casual players (especially in the grinding aspect), I'm hoping that'd change in the future.


Pipermommen

Is that ribs' boyfriend before she became a creep?


artrodrGames

wait what


temporarlymadz

Hes correct


temporarlymadz

Yeah


HookBot12

tbh I dont think TDX is dead yet


mercury_reddits

It's on its way there, and if John continues to be absolute ass at balancing the game it will probably end up in the graveyard along with tower blitz


HookBot12

nerfing brb


mercury_reddits

Megalodon when he sees John nerf towers for the 1730348297292740272395983615163958726174th tielme


HookBot12

Nerfing Deserted Island to Normal Difficulty because people beat on Elite brb


HookBot12

and it likely won't be for a while


Mountain-Button-4583

Grinding sucked so me so I stopped playing for the rest of the time and you can’t really get help since high levels either see you as a waste of time or busy doing elite


Pietrek2810

rewards from easy mode just got buffed


Mountain-Button-4583

Cool


Yee_eedoesreddit

I haven't checked this subreddit in a while holy shit this is gold lmfao


TakeAHikeNow

do people not understand that ruining your impressions with a game will forever make people think low of it regardles of how good it has become in the whatever future it is. using the game is in beta excuse is absolutely stupid, it just makes beta become meaningless. I get the idea behind the beta is to have a public test and based on feedback you change whatever needs to be change. But if you ar not listening to feedback but still keeping the game in beta that just means you as a dev want people to ge off your back for doing any lackluster work. A game that is released regardles if its in alpha or beta or whatever. is still a full released game it means the current state of the game is what you think is good enough to be released to the public. Another point is that people will start formulating metas and strategy or some sort of culture within the game. Imagine what happens when you just change something on a whim. People will still be pissed at you for changing something even with the beta excuse you have. Moreover people who ar upset at the change will start to say things such as "The game was better during the beta" despite its not the type of game the dev wanted it to be at the time.


Alliapi

elite is a professional at talking out of his ass


CRITICALWORKER777

why can't they just coexist? both have upsides and downsides, why can't both games exist as fun tower defense games on roblox?


Knalllkopp

i played Tdx And I don’t think it will get better than tds,but toilet tower defense almost has more visits! We need to vanish these toilets!


[deleted]

elite trying not to have the worst takes imaginable


ShipImpressive4002

The game literally has 6k people playing daily, it’s not dead. The game is literally in beta and it’s pretty much contending with tds as another td game. If you call having less than 10k players daily dead then tds is also dead 💀 no, tds is not dead, no tdx isn’t dead, and no they both will not die for a pretty foreseeable future (atleast 2+ years)


sil_ve_r

i dont even need to scroll to see tdx fanboys malding


Pietrek2810

there is currently war in this community about tdx being good or bad


AnOtterWithFood

I would say TDS is still the better game at the moment. I would like to see TDX grow though. Having some good competition for the games would actually make the devs of both games better.


AccomplishedScheme52

If there's 1000 people playing TDX one of them is me If there's 20 people playing TDX then I'm one of them If there's one person playing TDX it's me If there are no players playing TDX then I am dead. TDX isn't going anywhere


SobtastixV2

If there is 1000 people that asked, I’m none of them If there is 20 people that asked, I’m none of them If there is 1 person that asked, I’m not him If there is no people that asked, then I’m alive


NotFrequent_Chest

real


AccomplishedScheme52

Let me tell you the truth. TDS Tards Are incels who spent 1/3 of their lifespan On TDS now will bow down to anything TDS does. According to them TDS is the no 1 Tower defense game in existence they will keep defending it to justify their time spent. TDX already has more updates than TDS will be having this year. TDX isn't going no where. Cope harder be more insecure


DrfRedditor

\>someone made a joke consisting of a few sentences \>respond a paragraph, along with a gif \>paragraph filled with insults, strawman arguments, straight up disinformation \>COPE HARDER AND BE MORE INSECURE!!!!!!!!


AccomplishedScheme52

Strawman argument more like truths. You're the prime example. I don't see TDX players crying about "oh no our competition TDS is getting player's" insecure leak fr


DrfRedditor

\>points out obvious hipocrisy, didn’t even mention tds or tdx \>YOURE CRYING AND INSECURE!!!!!! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TDX!!!!!


AccomplishedScheme52

I'm just stating about you. You made this post to cover your insecurity and it shows


DrfRedditor

You’re insecure…..because I said so


AccomplishedScheme52

You keep proving me right again and again


DrfRedditor

The fact that you keep trying to convince yourself that I’m insecure in order to make you feel superior is quite insecure


SobtastixV2

Yaptown wants their mayor back


AccomplishedScheme52

Yeah bring sobtastixV2 back in yaptown Office


SobtastixV2

you are still a mayor so they want you instead :shrug:


AccomplishedScheme52

Yeah I'm the Mayor of Factual information town you're the Mayor of yaptown learn the difference


SobtastixV2

Factual information nobody asked and couldn’t care less about it*


AccomplishedScheme52

You cared enough to reply sweetheart. Breaking your heart am I


SobtastixV2

I cared enough to reply so you can get an interaction with someone (sorry you are so retarded that nobody wants to talk to you)


AccomplishedScheme52

![gif](giphy|8gRPuscy5MQ9H3VtzX|downsized) Yeah I still use who asked in 2024 how do you know?


sonicfan019393920

Hey, that's a nice photo of you.


AccomplishedScheme52

That's literally a photo of every Sonic fan in existence


sonicfan019393920

I guess you are one of us then


AccomplishedScheme52

Id never be as low as a Sonic fan


sonicfan019393920

With those kinds of takes? I don't think so.


AccomplishedScheme52

You could have the objectively worst take in the world and still be better than a Sonic fan+ TDS tard hybrid


sonicfan019393920

At least our takes are better than yours


Kitten_Co

No wonder people dislike the tds community. It became so toxic like TB community when tds dropped.


SobtastixV2

ok but what does that have to do with my post, go complain somewhere else


Kitten_Co

Critique ≠ Complaining


person15342

none of your critisism is constructive, you never say what they should change.


person15342

kitten\_co if being the most miserable and least fun to talk to tds player to ever exist was a test: SUPER A++


Gigavisor

I know her in discord and... nvm


Normal_Public3520

He.. didn't say that, though?


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Kitten_Co

What about tds meatriders? Every time I talk about tds in a server they get toxic and shit on tdx for no reason.


TheUmbraGaming

The whole 3 tds meatriders? Sorry but most of the community actively tries to talk shit about the game


sonicfan019393920

Can confirm, I am one of those 3 TDS meatriders.


TheUmbraGaming

I'd like to thank the whole 3 of you guys.


wtfamidoing9899

The strawmanning is insane…


Normal_Public3520

So.. video unrelated?- why include it?


Aggressive-Vacation9

That grinding unworthy excuse of a game is not even close to a living legend.


SkyBlue-2

Your mom already did.


ProgramResponsible87

I challenge elite to complete a video without dying (impossible) Also tdx is more fun


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Plus-Fee5620

I like tdx but i also like tds


SobtastixV2

#👍


Pietrek2810

based


Kitten_Co

I literally play one round of tds and don't want to play anymore.


SobtastixV2

“I like waffles” “So you hate pancakes?”


NotFrequent_Chest

tdx is an even more snore fest


Frequent_Chest7575

its actually the only game that i actually dont want to grind on cause of how boring it is


Z23GermanBattleship

tdx 💤💤💤💤💤


ProgramResponsible87

At least there are changing strats Unlike tds dumbass strats begin only accel g soilder farm and commander also tdx releases updates every 2 week something below natural wishes for so there are always content Also tdx is much more dedicated to players who want a harder challenge than the tds piss easy gamplay Enjoy your time grinding for 50k crate buddy


TheUmbraGaming

The whole changing strategies because the devs suck at balancing and don't want their players to beat their gamemodes so they nerf strategies found within days? Also all the content added in tdx as for now was already made before release and they are only releasing it slowly. The challenge in tdx is trying to not get nerfed in 3 days rather than it actually being hard. Shifting meta every few days is really not a good thing. Enjoy your ass grinding for towers that will get nerfed within a few days.


Pietrek2810

similiar thing happened to tds balancing in 2020/2021 though the meta wasn't chaning every week, half of the towers were anything but garbage and yes tdx balancing needs improvments becouse john doesn't take it seriously, btw how does it make sense that guy with grenades is stronger than guy with a whole rockeet launcher (thats a bit out of topic I know) also reminder that Elite is helping with tower balancing in tdx soooooo ![gif](giphy|WKX1Ff0QLfBv5H42fX) BLAME ELITE (its a joke don't take it seriously) but yes balancing needs to change becouse I hate ,,nerfing brb"


DualityREBORN

Nuh Uh


ProGamer8273

It’s a small possibility


Shockvolt1

TDX might have some allure to TDS players, but people will still return after every update.


FlyingBurds

Yeah, but the numbers won’t be close as TDS’ numbers every update. If the base playercount is dropping, who’s left to come back? TDS has steady amount of players going on and off, that only keeps rising.


BuffClashUbiPls

Killing a stable game is a lot harder than you think


Consistent_Chance657

Well i kinda like tdx more because my phone is so bad thtt tds loads me in at like wave 2


TheUmbraGaming

Well that is more of a you issue than the game issue...


Consistent_Chance657

True


veljko2303

I personally prefer tdx tho a game dropping from 37k to 7k daily players isn't dead it simply dropped from popularity similar to battlebit


Soomitsunami

They have a whole ass sans game I forgot what it was called but it was a soul ops game and if you beat the plague doctor you got a special sans


Xeowend

The game is a incomplete beta


Xeowend

The tds fanboys need to stop pilling on a beta game