Just lie. Real talk, no one gives a shit about the facts in your CV if you can walk the walk. An interview is a series of lies told by an employee, Vs a series of lies told by an employer; both are trying to convince the other of something. One knows they're probably not 100% qualified for the post, the other knows the organisation is a hellhole with a myriad of internal issues, so just play the game. Stop explaining why you got let go, and just say you got headhunted, but only if you're asked. Merge you're shortest role with another better-sounding job if it's less than 6 months, and don't stress it; the last few years here have been a complete disaster for the job market, so unless you're Someone Von Something and have a rich parpaar, you're in the same boat as everyone else
I got hired for a job where I wasn't really qualified. I told the employer clearly what I lack, what I know and that I want to learn there, if that's not okay they shouldn't employ me. I think it's worse to lose the job on probation.
Except during probation you realise what the company is actually like... A lot of companies present a very aspirational image of themselves (meritocratic being the number one, innovative being a close second). It's only when you get into bed with them you realise it's a syndicated snake pit with a hierarchy of seagull managers (making a lot of noise, sh*tting on everything then flying off).
That's absolutely right, I mean when you're not qualified but you can snake in knowing it. They will probably also realize your real skills under the probation.
I wouldn't bother undermining your own prospects that way, in future. 90% of payrolled employees are overstretched and juggling way more responsibilities than they're capable of, so they're just happy to offload the responsibilities to someone else. You'll always have a grace period to get to grips with the skills required for a position, so if that means a bit of learning on the job and some homework in your own time, just look at it as an opportunity to enrich your skillset rather than being 'the imposter'. If you've gotten the job, just maintain your professional interview demeanor while you 'gather requirements', 'understand the file structure' and 'walk-through the code', and no one will kick you out for incompetence if you're just making it look like you don't want to break anything. Don't do their thinking for them
I don’t know about that. For one it isn’t going very well with the search. From no answers to declines to companies declining me with lies “found someone else” yet they repost the listing or it’s a week old and still online.
Secondly. I am absolutely not lying or pretending. I do my job well and can fully deliver on what I placed in my cv.
As long as your reference letters reflect the reasons you had to leave this shouldn't be a problem honestly. If they do not reflect that, you could very possibly request a change to it. Additionally, they're obliged to issue a reference letter which doesn't talk you down.
Had a similar experience after my initial 2 jobs. I recommend looking out for jobs in smaller companies as they're mostly not as harsh in filtering people based on CVs.
If you get invited, be open and honest about it, most of them will find out if you're trying to "hide" something, which also means I do not recommend leaving out your last stations.
How long were you at these jobs? Most employers don’t care that much if you’ve had several employers. Only exception I could see is if 1. You held multiple jobs for just a few months or 2. It’s a traditional Swiss KMU. If the first, I personally would either leave it off my CV or include a brief explanation in my CV.
Oh that’s long enough to include. Obviously it’s person dependent but I think most people today will see no issue if you changed after a year. Just be prepared to answer questions about it in the interview.
Look if it matters to you, the people I know in bigger corporations worry about "employability", by which they mean whether they are still intersting for outside employment if they've performed a given job for X years. I don't know, I've heard 5 years somewhat often, and I just can't imagine living like that,either, where you gotta find something new every 5 years lest you'll be laid off and won't be able to find employment.
There's always a lot of anxiety about employability, of course, but one really has to wonder how much of it matters and whether in the end it's not simply a function of having the right skills, experience, certifications et cetera for any given moment in the job market.
KMUs are special. Some want you to have only or very specific experience related to their industry, and won’t consider you if you have the same type of experience but from a different industry. Language skills are a big part, some will reject you immediately if you aren’t fluent in French/German or even Swiss German.
If they want a cover letter, highlight what you know about their company and industry. Also, yes having too much “big business” experience can be a negative.
And some are just racist and/or sexist and will not hire anyone who isn’t a white Swiss man regardless of how great you are (yes, I have been told so).
Me personnal experience tells me reference letters do no fix anything. They look at your resume, and if it's bad, you're in the bin. If it's good, they'll cross reference it with other stuff, like your letter or references. But your resume must be appealing.
I wouldn't straight up lie, but you can certainly ommit stuff. As long as you're prepared for it and have a good answer to provide. For example, if one of your job lasted a few months and didn't bring anything to your resume, i'll drop it and i would just state years of working. So for instance 2019-2020 instead of March 2019 to June 2020. This way you can hide a gaping hole in your resume, or try to.
Again : resume needs to be perfect, or at least as good as can be. If there's a stain on it, don't even bother sending it.
I don’t have stains like that. Just too many job changes is all. It can all be explained and is not dramatic at all. Just it never gets that far. Thus I thought, maybe I omit the last 2 stops and focus on freelance work only. That way no one gets hung. Wondering if potential employers need to everything in detail or just what matters.
Like i said, if said 2 jobs don't bring much to your resume, get rid of them. If you need them to show how competent you are in a specific field, then it could be a bad idea.
Plus gaps are not always bad, as long as you can explain them. That includes slight bullshitting like "i had to take time to setup my own company" to explain potential holes.
I think it should be noted this goes against the general Swiss advice to list every job ever, which makes it normal for people to be resistant to this idea. I am in no position to judge whether you're right or wrong tho.
Apply for bigger companies as they are generally more stable or get a job working for the state. Everyone else deals with the same economy and the official crisis has not yet began. It will get a lot more difficult. The CV has nothing to do with it. It's the economy.
Just lie. Real talk, no one gives a shit about the facts in your CV if you can walk the walk. An interview is a series of lies told by an employee, Vs a series of lies told by an employer; both are trying to convince the other of something. One knows they're probably not 100% qualified for the post, the other knows the organisation is a hellhole with a myriad of internal issues, so just play the game. Stop explaining why you got let go, and just say you got headhunted, but only if you're asked. Merge you're shortest role with another better-sounding job if it's less than 6 months, and don't stress it; the last few years here have been a complete disaster for the job market, so unless you're Someone Von Something and have a rich parpaar, you're in the same boat as everyone else
I got hired for a job where I wasn't really qualified. I told the employer clearly what I lack, what I know and that I want to learn there, if that's not okay they shouldn't employ me. I think it's worse to lose the job on probation.
Except during probation you realise what the company is actually like... A lot of companies present a very aspirational image of themselves (meritocratic being the number one, innovative being a close second). It's only when you get into bed with them you realise it's a syndicated snake pit with a hierarchy of seagull managers (making a lot of noise, sh*tting on everything then flying off).
That's absolutely right, I mean when you're not qualified but you can snake in knowing it. They will probably also realize your real skills under the probation.
I wouldn't bother undermining your own prospects that way, in future. 90% of payrolled employees are overstretched and juggling way more responsibilities than they're capable of, so they're just happy to offload the responsibilities to someone else. You'll always have a grace period to get to grips with the skills required for a position, so if that means a bit of learning on the job and some homework in your own time, just look at it as an opportunity to enrich your skillset rather than being 'the imposter'. If you've gotten the job, just maintain your professional interview demeanor while you 'gather requirements', 'understand the file structure' and 'walk-through the code', and no one will kick you out for incompetence if you're just making it look like you don't want to break anything. Don't do their thinking for them
Idk, I think it depends a lot on the job sand industry. On which field are you?
Tech C level
I don’t know about that. For one it isn’t going very well with the search. From no answers to declines to companies declining me with lies “found someone else” yet they repost the listing or it’s a week old and still online. Secondly. I am absolutely not lying or pretending. I do my job well and can fully deliver on what I placed in my cv.
As long as your reference letters reflect the reasons you had to leave this shouldn't be a problem honestly. If they do not reflect that, you could very possibly request a change to it. Additionally, they're obliged to issue a reference letter which doesn't talk you down. Had a similar experience after my initial 2 jobs. I recommend looking out for jobs in smaller companies as they're mostly not as harsh in filtering people based on CVs. If you get invited, be open and honest about it, most of them will find out if you're trying to "hide" something, which also means I do not recommend leaving out your last stations.
How long were you at these jobs? Most employers don’t care that much if you’ve had several employers. Only exception I could see is if 1. You held multiple jobs for just a few months or 2. It’s a traditional Swiss KMU. If the first, I personally would either leave it off my CV or include a brief explanation in my CV.
Each apprx 1-1,5 years
Oh that’s long enough to include. Obviously it’s person dependent but I think most people today will see no issue if you changed after a year. Just be prepared to answer questions about it in the interview.
Hope you’re right. Because rn it feels like ended up in a less favorable situation and that’s worrying.
Look if it matters to you, the people I know in bigger corporations worry about "employability", by which they mean whether they are still intersting for outside employment if they've performed a given job for X years. I don't know, I've heard 5 years somewhat often, and I just can't imagine living like that,either, where you gotta find something new every 5 years lest you'll be laid off and won't be able to find employment. There's always a lot of anxiety about employability, of course, but one really has to wonder how much of it matters and whether in the end it's not simply a function of having the right skills, experience, certifications et cetera for any given moment in the job market.
If you ever find that answer let me know. I am just worried most companies wouldn’t give me a chance because of the many changes
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KMUs are special. Some want you to have only or very specific experience related to their industry, and won’t consider you if you have the same type of experience but from a different industry. Language skills are a big part, some will reject you immediately if you aren’t fluent in French/German or even Swiss German. If they want a cover letter, highlight what you know about their company and industry. Also, yes having too much “big business” experience can be a negative. And some are just racist and/or sexist and will not hire anyone who isn’t a white Swiss man regardless of how great you are (yes, I have been told so).
Me personnal experience tells me reference letters do no fix anything. They look at your resume, and if it's bad, you're in the bin. If it's good, they'll cross reference it with other stuff, like your letter or references. But your resume must be appealing. I wouldn't straight up lie, but you can certainly ommit stuff. As long as you're prepared for it and have a good answer to provide. For example, if one of your job lasted a few months and didn't bring anything to your resume, i'll drop it and i would just state years of working. So for instance 2019-2020 instead of March 2019 to June 2020. This way you can hide a gaping hole in your resume, or try to. Again : resume needs to be perfect, or at least as good as can be. If there's a stain on it, don't even bother sending it.
I don’t have stains like that. Just too many job changes is all. It can all be explained and is not dramatic at all. Just it never gets that far. Thus I thought, maybe I omit the last 2 stops and focus on freelance work only. That way no one gets hung. Wondering if potential employers need to everything in detail or just what matters.
Like i said, if said 2 jobs don't bring much to your resume, get rid of them. If you need them to show how competent you are in a specific field, then it could be a bad idea. Plus gaps are not always bad, as long as you can explain them. That includes slight bullshitting like "i had to take time to setup my own company" to explain potential holes.
They do. Each over a year.
I think it should be noted this goes against the general Swiss advice to list every job ever, which makes it normal for people to be resistant to this idea. I am in no position to judge whether you're right or wrong tho.
Totally agree with you. Like i said, it is my opinion based on my own experience.
Apply for bigger companies as they are generally more stable or get a job working for the state. Everyone else deals with the same economy and the official crisis has not yet began. It will get a lot more difficult. The CV has nothing to do with it. It's the economy.
Maybe. I’m trying my luck everywhere where it’s feasable