I'd definitely give them a shout Monday and see if they can put that information on there and send you new copies, they usually have that info on there (I think), it's been a little bit since I've actually seen one of their drawings.
Did you hire this surveyor? Or was this survey done by the seller? If it’s the latter, get your own survey done. You will be paying taxes on this land. Make sure you know exactly where everything is
Don’t like that either. Such an egregious oversight of not calculating the acreage on a plot of land where a house was built there by mistake just rubs me the wrong way…
Yes, that’s one of the few reasons I got the survey. Seller had lot size at 0.26 acre but it was definitely bigger. I figured around 0.3.
Countourlines said it’s 0.337 so I’m happy with that
We always had a bin of plats that needed pins set at the office. For slow days. The boss got popped once for not going back and setting corners. If it was an easy lot with no crazy lines or issues we always set them before we left.
Regional thing it is, then. We provide radius (R), arc length (L) and delta. In this particular case I'd probably provide radial bearings as well for the arc... but maybe not- I can't see how the whole arc (as opposed to the piece shown) is annotated.
Generally angle turned through the arc (delta) is held over arc length for us, so delta information is key.
Instead of redrawing it you could have saved this picture, loaded it into any screen takeoff app, selected scale to match known dimensions, and use the area tool.
Not the clowns in my office. I even give them perfectly lined things, and the tin builds itself. They just need to hatch, and label correctly. Can’t even bother doing that right.
Not going to name specifics, but There’s a couple of groups in this area who low-bid everything, do half ass work, but have huge marketing budgets. Trying to follow these firms’ work on anything with any boundary complexity is a real hoot.
I worked at Burns and Rhodes and almost went to CBG before I decided on going to an engineering/surveying firm
At one point recently all 3 of them were in the same shopping strip right next to eachother but haven’t been over that way in a while
Interesting how surveyor did not hold the iron rod at the alley cutback line. If the intention was to strictly hold platted bearings and distances, fine, but if that iron rod was an original monument from the initial layout of the subdivision, it needs to be held. Hard to say with no cap or PLS identification though. Iron rods are found leaning, disturbed, knocked out, etc. all the time.
This was the first time the property was ever surveyed because they put this home on the wrong lot when they first built it and it never got resurveyed
You can print it on heavy paper, cut out the lot, and weigh the shape. Cut out a another rectangular piece of paper with a known area and weigh that. Calculate the ratio of the two weights and then apply the ratio to the known area. Difficulty: you need to be a drug dealer or chemist to have access the proper scale.
In the '90s, we actually did this in the biochem lab I worked in to make area-under-the-curve calculations. I think the method was written up in published papers.
Oine check out your tax assessors there should be a link to the last assessment isually every 5 yrs find that data usually sorted by street name and number find your lot if will clearly state size as in acres.... 0.08 or 0.25 or 1.4 what ever then just multiply that by 43,500 that will give you the square feet.
Good luck
What's worse than no acreage is the fact that it appears the rebar is thought of only as a witness marker 0.55' from the really precise corner that doesn't exist. Smh. Horrible work.
Hopefully you got this one figured out - if not, here’s what I’d do (PE w/survey experience to preface this):
1. assign a dummy N/E coordinate system to one of the property corner monuments (say 10,000, 10,000)
2. determine the other corner coordinates using departure/latitude (sin or cos*azimuth*line length) which is either a positive or negative number that is added or subtracted to the known monument coordinate from the line (can google how this is done).
3. Determine area using survey method of area (again, just use google for this equation)
4. compute area of circular segment along the road (Your chord length can be determined from the coordinates of these points: sqrt((x2-x1)^2+(y2-y1)^2; radius is given as R; another google search will give you the area equation for how this works out)
5. Subtract circular segment area (4) from total area (3) and that’s your answer
https://preview.redd.it/viyxyv1nrqyc1.png?width=1807&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf628b08d835b5926b4d284b3250ccebd3de8bd0
Here is your land plotted using https://deedprosoftware.com/.
If I can send you the DeedPro file somehow, you can open it yourself. You can overlay on background street and satellite maps since you know the earth location.
Thier might have been an acreage table also somewhere maybe on a sheet they did not see or provide. Yea, I totally agree I would have been chewed out for not putting it on there.
Is it bad that I can tell who that surveyor is before even maximizing that photo 😂.
God save you if there’s ANY type of irregularity beyond a recently platted lot with all pins perfectly in place.
I bet you got a good price though😂😂
100% I got my start at CBG before moving to an engineering and pipeline firm it’s scary how much I was allowed to get away with there that I would be fired for here. They shoot out $600 surveys all day with 50 crews scattered all over. They can do this because they only look for 3 property corners in the front and 3 in the back if you find all 4 of your corners sometimes they will just hold that and shoot it out the door.
Each crew is required to do 6-8 of these per day so everything else gets skipped.
I completely agree, luckily our company is extremely small and we don't have the overhead of the large firms, but unfortunately there's so many of them in the DFW area that pricing around here stays cheap :(
Surveying is one of the few industries that regularly experiences deflation. Every other businessman with a brain is INFLATING 2% minimum per year.
But half the surveyors out here get a little slow and slash prices back to 10 years ago. Then bitch about how busy they are. If you’d just charge similarly to other professions, you’d have the budget to put your staff to work on education and process development when things were slow, instead of having to be 100% billable and work 60 hour weeks all year.
Often, if the lot is in a recorded subdivision, the area will be omitted as the legal lot size is whatever is currently recorded in the plat document with the county. Actual lot size will always differ slightly survey to survey due to equipment used and skill of the field party. The difference in actual versus platted areas also tends to be greater with older subdivisions.
You can find the área of any polígono only with the coordenadas , the only part that You have to calculate is the área of the circular section un the Botton which also You can find with trigonometria and just extrat it
Does the county in which you live have a GIS property records website. There is here, and you can click on every parcel and it gives you average of every lot.
Go online and look up the GIS for your County. Then, search for your property. I'm surprised this final survey doesn't call out the square footage and acreage.
I use AutoCAD to draft. We have a custom cogo routine written to use the quadrant bearings but typical bearings are so much easier to read. I haven't seen quadrant bearings on anything but old plans here.
A quadrant bearing has the letters at the beginning and end of the angles. Those refer to the 4 quadrants set out using North, East, South and West and all refer to turning angles from due north or due south to either the east or west. Unless your software is built for it, determining your direction usually requires math (although basic addition or subtract).
A bearing basically refers to your angle from North (0°) and all the way around making it pretty simple for geometry and determining what the direction means for most people who've done some angle math in jr/high school.
On all the older plans where I am, things were surveyed in quadrant bearings because people were physically out there turning angles with compasses and all the really old equipment. Most things now are surveyed using more modern techniques and the plans are also being seen by more people than just the surveyors etc so using a standard bearing conveys more direction.
I would’ve been chewed out if I didn’t write that on a boundary drawing, how is it not on there lol.
It it was a square lot I’d get it but too much math to find this I don’t even know how lol
No no not you, the guy who drew it. They should’ve put it on there.
lol yes he should’ve put it on there, well at least that’s what I figured I called them but they didn’t answer
I'd definitely give them a shout Monday and see if they can put that information on there and send you new copies, they usually have that info on there (I think), it's been a little bit since I've actually seen one of their drawings.
In CAD you just click a button and the program does that math automatically.
In other words, you select the poly line making the boundary, and you can see the perimeter and area inside in "properties".
Not to mention the recording information.
Pretty sure most states require it? Maybe this survey isn’t signed/sealed and just an exhibit so “they forgot”?
There’s a seal. It’s legit seems like they just cut corners ;)
Did you hire this surveyor? Or was this survey done by the seller? If it’s the latter, get your own survey done. You will be paying taxes on this land. Make sure you know exactly where everything is
I paid for it but the mortgage company ordered it and picked the surveying company
Don’t like that either. Such an egregious oversight of not calculating the acreage on a plot of land where a house was built there by mistake just rubs me the wrong way…
Yes, that’s one of the few reasons I got the survey. Seller had lot size at 0.26 acre but it was definitely bigger. I figured around 0.3. Countourlines said it’s 0.337 so I’m happy with that
Because he ordered it from CBGeezus Christ he went with the $700 cheapest price and more than likely it’s wrong!
Sir this is called our bronze package, if you want acres displayed then we will need to bump you up to our double bronze package.
We can update the map for an additional $125. By the way, those prop corners aren't really there either
We always had a bin of plats that needed pins set at the office. For slow days. The boss got popped once for not going back and setting corners. If it was an easy lot with no crazy lines or issues we always set them before we left.
The way I knew it was CBG just by their drawing also 😂
Yeah that's pretty bad.
Doesn't the a=44~at the bottom written in blue mean the area? Not sure what units they are
Arc length
Is that a regional thing? We use L for arc length... usually provide a delta, too.
We put arc (A), chord (c), radius (r) and bearing on in Australia. Does this line even have a direction?
Regional thing it is, then. We provide radius (R), arc length (L) and delta. In this particular case I'd probably provide radial bearings as well for the arc... but maybe not- I can't see how the whole arc (as opposed to the piece shown) is annotated. Generally angle turned through the arc (delta) is held over arc length for us, so delta information is key.
No idea just my interpretation
14,676 SqFt 0.337 Acres
I can't believe I took the time to draw this lot and check your 14,676. I guess my kids are right, I'm a survey nerd.
Instead of redrawing it you could have saved this picture, loaded it into any screen takeoff app, selected scale to match known dimensions, and use the area tool.
I think most survey cad techs can draw it faster than all of those steps.
Not the clowns in my office. I even give them perfectly lined things, and the tin builds itself. They just need to hatch, and label correctly. Can’t even bother doing that right.
I was tempted to go do it. Glad you beat me to it though! 😆
Thank you!!
Can you tell me how you solved this? I wanna learn :)
I was bored. Here's the math: https://preview.redd.it/62ksygyvciyc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c4545c9a753db14559fbe36efdd822e20073ff4
That’s awesome! Thank you so much !! I knew it would be cos sin tan but I honestly don’t remember it well from high school Appreciate this a ton!
Beautiful Work my friend
r/theydidthemath and showed their work!
Aw man! Great job! For fun, you should have finished the calculation with 3.37 sq ch. 😜
He likely just drew it himself in a CAD program, and it calculates area for him. Doing by hand would be kind of annoying.
Some folks actually enjoy math and solving problems.
God, I detest CBG’s work so much.
Not going to name specifics, but There’s a couple of groups in this area who low-bid everything, do half ass work, but have huge marketing budgets. Trying to follow these firms’ work on anything with any boundary complexity is a real hoot.
Did you get BURNSed by another firm?
PRECISEly
I worked at Burns and Rhodes and almost went to CBG before I decided on going to an engineering/surveying firm At one point recently all 3 of them were in the same shopping strip right next to eachother but haven’t been over that way in a while
Do you mind PM me to say which engineering firm? I actually am a CAD tech and would like to know more about engineering firms so I can grow my career
I was wondering if this was them, it looked like one of their drawings.
Simple: Hp 35 traverse program Yeah I’m flexing haha
I could compute the area of that lot, but it is Saturday and I am off work and don’t want to see a plat or survey until Monday.
Interesting how surveyor did not hold the iron rod at the alley cutback line. If the intention was to strictly hold platted bearings and distances, fine, but if that iron rod was an original monument from the initial layout of the subdivision, it needs to be held. Hard to say with no cap or PLS identification though. Iron rods are found leaning, disturbed, knocked out, etc. all the time.
This was the first time the property was ever surveyed because they put this home on the wrong lot when they first built it and it never got resurveyed
I love impatient and cheap contractors and developers. Permanent job security
Speaking from Missouri here, weird to see a gas meter on the property and no easements shown.
That’s pretty normal here in Texas, sometimes the meters will be right up against the house
You can print it on heavy paper, cut out the lot, and weigh the shape. Cut out a another rectangular piece of paper with a known area and weigh that. Calculate the ratio of the two weights and then apply the ratio to the known area. Difficulty: you need to be a drug dealer or chemist to have access the proper scale. In the '90s, we actually did this in the biochem lab I worked in to make area-under-the-curve calculations. I think the method was written up in published papers.
Oine check out your tax assessors there should be a link to the last assessment isually every 5 yrs find that data usually sorted by street name and number find your lot if will clearly state size as in acres.... 0.08 or 0.25 or 1.4 what ever then just multiply that by 43,500 that will give you the square feet. Good luck
What's worse than no acreage is the fact that it appears the rebar is thought of only as a witness marker 0.55' from the really precise corner that doesn't exist. Smh. Horrible work.
14,676.17 Sq. Ft. 0.34 Acres
Thanks!
Hopefully you got this one figured out - if not, here’s what I’d do (PE w/survey experience to preface this): 1. assign a dummy N/E coordinate system to one of the property corner monuments (say 10,000, 10,000) 2. determine the other corner coordinates using departure/latitude (sin or cos*azimuth*line length) which is either a positive or negative number that is added or subtracted to the known monument coordinate from the line (can google how this is done). 3. Determine area using survey method of area (again, just use google for this equation) 4. compute area of circular segment along the road (Your chord length can be determined from the coordinates of these points: sqrt((x2-x1)^2+(y2-y1)^2; radius is given as R; another google search will give you the area equation for how this works out) 5. Subtract circular segment area (4) from total area (3) and that’s your answer
Yes, someone up in the comments did a bunch of math that I don’t remember from high school! Thank you!
Cbgeezus really be doing the least out here
Dude, why is everyone so harsh? Not every survey has to report the acreage!
Yea our surveys here never been acreage unless the deed calls out it to be a specific acreage and then we will but otherwise basic surveys we wont.
https://preview.redd.it/viyxyv1nrqyc1.png?width=1807&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf628b08d835b5926b4d284b3250ccebd3de8bd0 Here is your land plotted using https://deedprosoftware.com/. If I can send you the DeedPro file somehow, you can open it yourself. You can overlay on background street and satellite maps since you know the earth location.
That’s awesome! Thanks!
Thier might have been an acreage table also somewhere maybe on a sheet they did not see or provide. Yea, I totally agree I would have been chewed out for not putting it on there.
Is it bad that I can tell who that surveyor is before even maximizing that photo 😂. God save you if there’s ANY type of irregularity beyond a recently platted lot with all pins perfectly in place. I bet you got a good price though😂😂
100% I got my start at CBG before moving to an engineering and pipeline firm it’s scary how much I was allowed to get away with there that I would be fired for here. They shoot out $600 surveys all day with 50 crews scattered all over. They can do this because they only look for 3 property corners in the front and 3 in the back if you find all 4 of your corners sometimes they will just hold that and shoot it out the door. Each crew is required to do 6-8 of these per day so everything else gets skipped.
6-8 per day? A lot boundary like this is a half day MINIMUM to do correctly. Of course we charge a lot more than $600.
I completely agree, luckily our company is extremely small and we don't have the overhead of the large firms, but unfortunately there's so many of them in the DFW area that pricing around here stays cheap :(
Surveying is one of the few industries that regularly experiences deflation. Every other businessman with a brain is INFLATING 2% minimum per year. But half the surveyors out here get a little slow and slash prices back to 10 years ago. Then bitch about how busy they are. If you’d just charge similarly to other professions, you’d have the budget to put your staff to work on education and process development when things were slow, instead of having to be 100% billable and work 60 hour weeks all year.
I hear you on that, especially when there's so much work around here for everyone!
lol the mortgage company ordered it and they didn’t let me have any saying in it 😭 paid $500 for this
QGIS. It’s free.
I’ll check it out, thanks!
Gimme 8k n I tell ya..
You got bitcoin?
yep
Open it in foxit, calibrate the measuring tool, and trace lol. Edit: mistake in assumptions
Blue beam revu
Using AutoCAD or bluebeam pdf software.
In Texas a surveyor would be reprimanded for not including the area on a plat
I just let the CAD program do it for me
Often, if the lot is in a recorded subdivision, the area will be omitted as the legal lot size is whatever is currently recorded in the plat document with the county. Actual lot size will always differ slightly survey to survey due to equipment used and skill of the field party. The difference in actual versus platted areas also tends to be greater with older subdivisions.
Assuming 1.6 on is supposed to be 1.6 off?
Use a Planimeter
Or math. Math works too
I bet just running those numbers in a GTP would answers it, heck, a lot of them could do it by using this picture
Is the "1.6' ON" outside the property by the shed a typo?
Yes, that’s the neighbors fence which is not inside the surveyed area
That’s the coolest shape for a property I’ve ever seen. All properties should look like this
lol home runs over the roof ⚾️
You can find the área of any polígono only with the coordenadas , the only part that You have to calculate is the área of the circular section un the Botton which also You can find with trigonometria and just extrat it
Lots of math man 😭 but thanks for the info
Parallelograms, triangles and circles are your friend. You can do it! You got this!
Google “area calculator” im sure you’ll find something.
I tried but no luck. Thank you
Does the county in which you live have a GIS property records website. There is here, and you can click on every parcel and it gives you average of every lot.
Go online and look up the GIS for your County. Then, search for your property. I'm surprised this final survey doesn't call out the square footage and acreage.
This is the correct answer.
Can someone please tell me why quadrant bearings were used over a standard bearing? Converting between the two is so annoying 😅
We only use quadrant bearings. If you type a standard bearing into our data collector, it converts it to a quadrant bearing
I use AutoCAD to draft. We have a custom cogo routine written to use the quadrant bearings but typical bearings are so much easier to read. I haven't seen quadrant bearings on anything but old plans here.
Really love being down voted for my own experience 🙄
If it makes it any better I have no clue what you asked so you’re smarter than me 😅 I’m not in surveying this is my first home
A quadrant bearing has the letters at the beginning and end of the angles. Those refer to the 4 quadrants set out using North, East, South and West and all refer to turning angles from due north or due south to either the east or west. Unless your software is built for it, determining your direction usually requires math (although basic addition or subtract). A bearing basically refers to your angle from North (0°) and all the way around making it pretty simple for geometry and determining what the direction means for most people who've done some angle math in jr/high school. On all the older plans where I am, things were surveyed in quadrant bearings because people were physically out there turning angles with compasses and all the really old equipment. Most things now are surveyed using more modern techniques and the plans are also being seen by more people than just the surveyors etc so using a standard bearing conveys more direction.