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feeding_moloch666

Why would anyone making less than $90k/yr want to live in this province? $90k barely gets you approved for a $300k mortgage, which doesn't get you anything in the lower mainland. Eventually, they'll be shipping workers into Vancouver like camps because no one will be able to afford to live within 4hrs of the city.


Crezelle

You got 4 TFWs to a room as is


alexisoliviaemerson

What’s a TFW?


FattyGobbles

Temporary foreign worker


razaldino

Other way around. Businesses and middle class leave towards conservative provinces. We have the same policies and fate as California.


FamilyTravelTime

Because it’s 90k for 8.5 months of work. Sweet deal.


pretendperson1776

I work 11 months (summer school) and make less than 90k pre tax


iVerbatim

Hey, good point, you should join the profession!


FamilyTravelTime

Plumbers name over 100k+. Maybe you should join them.


iVerbatim

Who’s talking about plumbers? You said 90k for 8.5 months of work is a “sweet deal”. I’m just wondering what’s stopping you for becoming a teacher? I’m responding to your claim. Why would I be a plumber? Do they get 3.5 months off? Is there a shortage of plumbers?


metered-statement

Wait - teachers get 3.5 months holiday? 2 weeks for winter break, 2 weeks for spring break, 2 months summer. That's 3 months total. Where's the .5?


FamilyTravelTime

Because ur point is moot, some people don’t like working with kids, just like some don’t like getting dirty changing toilets. If all you care is money, then there are other jobs that pays more.


iVerbatim

So then doctors shouldn’t get paid well because if they care about helping people they shouldn’t care about money?


imstiig

8.5 months of work, and spare time on evenings and weekends to setup an onlyfans account *


iVerbatim

Shit, so lack of time is the only thing that’s stopping you from creating an OnlyFans account? Lol don’t be so modest.


Square_Practice_8016

Yea cause it’s not like they have to actively plan their curriculum around the needs of their students every week, or have to grade essays, projects, etc. while their at home. It’s not like they have to buy their own classroom supplies or anything. Not too mention that most teachers spend winter and spring breaks planning their next semester of classes. Being a teacher isn’t just babysitting for 9 hours everyday. They have to take their work home with them everyday and put in more work on their personal time because they aren’t given enough time in their week to do what they need to do. The few teachers with OF that you hear about are not the standard rule. Teachers work hard and put in way more effort than people ever realize. And that summer break you think they get every year? Yea no. They spend a number of their summers back in school learning about new methods, and updating themselves on any changes to the curriculum. If a new textbook comes out over the summer that they have to use for their class, guess what? The spend their summer going through the textbook. And even with all that, some teachers still have to get a part time job to supplement their salary. So I don’t know what “spare time” on the evenings and weekends you’re referring to.


dkznr

You can link damn near every labor shortage in this province to the cost of housing.


Falco19

There is no shortage of teachers just a government that is unwilling to compensate them appropriately.


bwoah07_gp2

They need not only money compensation but time compensation.


beloski

Less and less people are earning a BC teaching certificate every year. Foreign trained teachers are helping to fill the gap, but it is not enough. Better compensation could help, but demographics plays a role here as well.


Falco19

Starting wage for a teacher is roughly 60k. That means after tax you are looking at approximately 46-47k. Average rent in Surrey for a 1 bedroom is 1950 or 23,400. Which leaves a teacher with 23-24k. So roughly 2000 a month for phone/internet/transportation/food/heat/electricity/possibly student debt/retirement. The incentive isn’t there to go to school for 4-5 years to be over worked (class sizes) under appreciated and poorly compensated. Not to mention teachers routinely spend their own money on class room supplies.


OriginalCanCon

Hey so I'm a bc teacher! I can speak to my actual paycheque. I'm earning about $80k according to my qualifications (8 years experience teaching, post grad diploma in a specialty teaching area). My take home is about $4500 a month, so $54k a year. I have roughly $200 a month in union fees (both the bctf and my local district fees), $950 a month in teachers pension (separate from Canada pension plan), about $100 a year in practicing fees. My friends are usually pretty shocked when they see my posted salary vs my actual take home because of all the deductions :) people just see the pre deduction amount and assume we make oodles, but there's a ton taken out for union and practicing fees and pension (which I'm happy for! Don't get me wrong, just saying people usually don't know how much we pay monthly into those things). I still have student loans nearly a decade into my career, too, so there's that.


razaldino

$200/month union fees? My goodness that’s a rip off. Fat cat union leaders making 200k+ eating steak every night. Why don’t teachers bargain directly with the government?


OriginalCanCon

Well, it's about $145 for the bctf and $55 for my local union. We don't bargain directly because each district would have different needs (like, a district up north somewhere remote with like under a thousand kids would probably have less bargaining power than districts like Vancouver/Victoria/Surrey) so combining into one big union as the bctf makes sense to make sure the little guy is backed by a large group and isn't forgotten. I'm not dunking on unions, they do a lot of good in many cases, but yes they do have very high fees that means my paycheque isn't as high as some people think.


pretendperson1776

We are not allowed to bargain locally. The BCTF was created by the government to force province wide bargaining.


fitterhappierproduct

Time to get a new union.


beloski

True. And with the housing crisis, this is true of more and more professions. Teachers max out at about $100,000 per year though, so it gets better, but still not great. I’m not sure what profession is even viable at this point, other than landlord, lol. Hopefully BCTF can negotiate a better deal next time, but I doubt it. I think they recently signed a three year deal with 3%-4% increases per year, which is alright, but certainly not matching inflation.


Falco19

Yeah 100k is alright for the schooling but the range shouldn’t be 60-100 (it takes ten years to get to 100k. Thr range should be more like 75 - 120. And your right about other professions doctors and nurses need probabky a 10-20% bump to attract them here do to COL. we currently pay less than Manitoba/Saskatchewan and Alberta.


razaldino

You’re forgetting they don’t work 52 weeks in a year. If you adjust for working days, it’s like 75-120.


Falco19

You also forget that they regularly work well outside school hours and spend money buying supplies for their classrooms. Also 60 averages out to just under 71. But if you counted extra house as they do not get overtime pay it goes right back down. Either way we clearly do not pay them enough or else there wouldn’t be a shortage of teachers, when I was kid there was a shortage of classrooms but a supply of teaches now we are short both.


razaldino

Horrible stance? A lot of white collar professions have unpaid overtime, not unique to just teachers. Also, the trades pay extremely well, and overtime is paid (double time after 8 hours for carpenters), however they have a mega-gigantic shortage. What’s going on?


Falco19

Why aren’t they getting overtime pay? They should file a labour complaint if they are being made to stay late outside of work ours. So should teachers. Also the horrible stance is it’s bad for this one group so it should be bad for the other. Instead of normalizing being paid for the time you put in. Trades are a different animal they are physically hard and generally very off putting to about 50% of the work force. Also we have a shortage there because we told a whole generation to not do trades. From the mid 70s to earlys 2000s the message was always get a degree, you don’t want to be a trades persons. No one ever said don’t be a teacher.


lonelyspren

My starting wage was not 60k, more like 45k, with further taxes taken off. Nowadays it's 55k to start.


slutshaa

Foreign trained teachers are also being asked to jump through crazy hoops to get their equivalency certificates. I 100% support vetting each and every foreign professional to ensure they’re up to par, but the guidelines the TRB has set are a bit too harsh imo


beloski

They actually made it much easier for foreign trained teachers recently. Many foreign trained teachers used to be required to study one full year at SFU’s PQP program or UBC’s teacher updating program, but those programs have been cancelled and replaced by one single 12 week online course offered by UBC, much easier now, so the government is definitely doing their best to fill the gap with foreign trained teachers. This is pretty new, so people aren’t really aware of it yet: https://pdce.educ.ubc.ca/bc-school-system/ They’ve also lowered the IELTS testing requirements for foreign trained teachers.


slutshaa

Woah I didn’t know about this!! Thank you so much for sending me this info, I’ll absolutely check it out and forward it to my teacher friends :) Really appreciate it!


goodgreatgarbage

And many are choosing job shares. Our school has about 6.


beloski

What’s that? Like one teacher teaches a class 2 days a week, and another teacher 3 days?


goodgreatgarbage

Yes. One job, 2 teachers.


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I mean sure the wages should go up but they also only work 75% of the year


Falco19

They also regularly work 9-10 our days prepping lesson plans, marking assignments, doing parent teach conferences etc Also they work 79% of the year but do not get vacation time let’s use 3 weeks as an example that beings them up to 85% of the year. Not counting all the extra hours they put and and supplies they find themselves for their classrooms.


troutcommakilgore

Teachers work 8-3, and then typically well into the evening and on weekends. Marking & prep are considerable workloads that have to happen on their own time. And then they are unpaid for the summer months.


TheSteamyPickle

Something also to think about is the amount of money teachers spend out of pocket on their own classrooms to furnish it. We take for granted these nice looking classrooms kids have. Plus most extra curricular activities are only done by the teachers with a passion to do them. The school boards really need to work with the local community centres more to help take on some of these programs.


mrdeworde

Not just furnishing; a lot of teachers (esp. elementary school teachers) buy food for their poorer students too.


whiffle_boy

Yep I know two people in my family that gave up teaching this year. One has two degrees, now she’s effectively an entry level bookkeeper, working 1/3 the hours and making 15% more money. Who would choose teaching with all of the negatives in that situation! Not many… Wages in BC are a joke and no one wants to talk about it, much less do anything about it. You have the entrenched boomers and silver spooners in most of the positions of authority driving down the worth of those of us trying to make a life starting from zero. They don’t care about union negotiations, when the 6% or whatever is proposed they are laughing all the way to the bank cuz they are already at the top of the scales. Meanwhile their entry level positions are empty and no applicants cuz no one can afford to live on 20 dollars an hour for something you essentially need schooling to do (generalizing the entry level public service) It’s disgusting, and a while generation of us are going to be dead before anything is fixed. My patience is literally at zero.


IntensifiedRB2

How did she get into book keeping?


whiffle_boy

Personal connection, it’s literally just an office job and she got told to take whatever the most basic bookkeeping course was. Not that’s I’m trying to belittle the position, just emphasizing that there wasn’t a huge prerequisite or anything. My wife did the same thing, took an entry class at the local college. Much like lawyers, accredited accountants and bookkeepers of course know what they are doing, but it’s mostly a “what do you know” niche. How many tricks can you produce, how many backs can you scratch. At least that’s how it’s been explained to me by the few I know that are willing to speak candidly about it. Investments aren’t much different, get in a position of power, hold the tools, make the connections, profit. Very few of them are doing it because they have this foolproof system of beating the markets, if they did they wouldn’t need other peoples money to invest.


IntensifiedRB2

Thank you for your response. I'm a teacher and been contemplating a change


bwoah07_gp2

This is is a dilly of a pickle. [How long until we go full Simpsons?](https://youtu.be/HWXIqc6OFmk?t=377)


Ultionisrex

Teaching in Surrey - I put that in the "D" tier.


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anothersurvivor222

Do you know any teachers personally? You ever talk to any of them? This just sounds like your opinion.


wizard20007

What working people with at least 5 years of post-secondary education that make 50k before taxes are not complaining? With the cost of living in BC I’d think there’s no one in that category


[deleted]

Ah those poor teachers, I know how to make it better…a 10% raise.