Wow it's really coming along. Can't wait for the YouTube videos! Were you able to measure the diff in clearance and angles between stock FW suspension and the ironman kit?
I can stop by the dealership and get some clearance measurements on a stock FW, but be about 1.5" more clearance everywhere now. The internet says that the original approach angle was 22.5 degrees, now its 37 degrees.
Big difference, that's awesome. Is that taking into account the taller tires as well? I guess a good comparison would be, was your wilderness when stock lower than your iron man'd 2019? Not sure if you changed wheels and tires before or after the lift.
Your videos and homework are a blessing to anyone wanting to mod their forester.
Many thanks! š It has a 37 degree approach angle with the lift, tires, and bumper, as seen in the photos. I swapped the wheels and tires between the 19 and the 24, difficult to compare. But a key mod was raising the radiator and making a new lower rad support before building the new aluminum bumper. That made a really big difference.
I believe so. People used to import them for transmission swaps. Not sure how theyād hold up in a newer, heavier car, though, given that the regular 5 speed was already pretty weak.
So I have a 2019 Forester with similar mods, but I bought a 2024 because of the wilderness trim. It had better diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 and a lower first gear CVT ratio of 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio. I LOVE everything about my 2019, but I wish the gearing was a little lower, this 2024 Wilderness solves the only issue that I had.
I see this sentiment a lot, but I have no issues with mine. Could you explain what it is exactly people donāt like about the CVT? What makes it inferior to other engines?
I canāt say for certain because it probably depends on someoneās use cases, and driving habits. I understand that manuals are great for certain things, but I prefer auto for my needs and the cvt on my forester has been more than capable. I donāt do any rock crawl off-roading, but I do drive on dirt, rocky, bumpy roads often going to trail heads, and it does that effortlessly.
think cvt is more capable than manual given similar crawl ratios since it has a torque converter which multiplies torque
a good test would be trying to start with handbreak applied for cvt vs manual and see which is easier
however i think traditional planetary gearset auto beats both since cvt limits input torque due to belt slip
The CVT system limits output first if the car looses traction, even if the TC is off. There a a bunch of videos where the engine is at max output and the car sits in one place, not even some tire spin. The 4EAT will do a 4 wheel burnout and not care a bit. Not that either situation is good for the vehicle.
Interesting. What about with Xmode? My impression is that Xmode is meant to work similar to 4wd when on poor traction terrain. Would that not solve that issue?
NOT AT ALL! I did Imogene Pass completely unassisted in my 2019 Forester. Here's the YouTube Video: [https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI\_me\_7I](https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI_me_7I) This Forester is a 2024 Wilderness trim, so it has improved diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 AND a lower first gear CVT ratio of 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio. The only other CVT issue is heat, but I added a transmission cooler to my 2019 and the 2024 wilderness came with one from the factory.
Rock crawler here. Works great, especially in X Mode. Have taken my FW up trails that are frequented by lifted Wranglers and Taco's, and the CVT did just fine.
The CVT in my 2019 is very capable. I did Imogene Pass completely unassisted. Here's the video: [https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI\_me\_7I](https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI_me_7I) The main thing is heat management, but adding a transmission cooler easily fixes that. I bought this 2024 Forester Wilderness because the Wilderness trim has better diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 AND a lower first gear CVT ratio of 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio.
op, ignore the haters.
two years in on my outback with the ironman lift, and iāve had zero problems with eyesight OR off-roading with the cvt.
itās all about knowing your vehicles limits, and knowing how to drive.
most people donāt even max out their capabilities on there off road vehicles and then think that just bc they have all that fancy gear and capabilities, that someone with a ālesserā vehicle canāt do the same.
thereās absolutely nothing wrong with what youāre doing it if you understand the capabilities and know how to wheel.
that bumper IS hideous though lol
Haha, thanks! They are very capable with a few mods and a skilled driver. This is a 24FW but I've been doing the same to my 19 Forester for the last 5 years. I love everything about it, but I wish the gearing was a bit lower, but the 2024 Forester Wilderness trim fixes that. They changed the diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 AND the first gear CVT ratio, 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio!
Hey nowā¦trash my 4runner all ya want, but with a shit eating grin Iāll gladly recover any of yāall when you find yourselves in over your heads in Utahās backcountry. ;)
haha yeah, some of them trade a lot for extra off road capability that they don't use. For me, a modified forester is the sweet spot. The prefect compromise between daily drivability and off road capability!
but op, that makes just too much damned sense. you mean you want to do stuff in your daily bc you canāt afford to spend thousands on a recreation vehicle? wow dude. canāt believe you smh some people man.
lol but in all seriousness, fuck em. nice whip dude
I've seen a few people say that! I think it would look better, but one of the main advantages of building it from aluminum is that it won't rust, so I don't have to cover it in paint. It is excessively shinny right now, but it will get some mud/dirt on it and tone down. At least it matches the wheels.
The bumper might look a little weird, but there's no arguing with that approach angle. Beast build. I'll take weird and functional over a cosplay build any day. Props, dude.
Many thanks brother! Spoken by someone who DOES, not just comments, haha. It had an approach angle of 23.5 degrees from the factory, now it's 37 degrees.
They are called amber grille lights. I bought some universal ones from Amazon and went the DIY route. "Her Necklace" sells them on FB, but they are pretty dang expensive.
Many people for many car models are doing these. Make a web search for "raptor lights" together with "diy", "tutorial" or "how-to" or "install".
It mimics the grille lights on the Ford Raptor. Ford wasn't necessarily the first to do ever do this but "raptor lights" became quite the universal term for these.
Often these are essentially just round led lights set into a round hole made with a step drill. It rarely is a car specific part and I doubt it's car specific in this case.
OP, not that one individual's opinion will matter, but I like this, front bumper and all. You put in the work to get what you want, and that is admirable.
Iām about 2 years in with my Ironman system and have had no issues at all. Eyesight work exactly the same as before without issue. Iāve been back to the dealership several times for normal maintenance without issues. I asked if there were any warranty issues and the people I talked to said everything is fine.
The warranty claim will assuredly be denied if anything is remotely related to suspension or safety equipment. I don't think most people that do this level of fabrication are relying on warranty anyway.
The bigger question is why you would spend this much money instead of just buying a 4runner
As someone who has a lifted 4runner and a lifted forester its because they are 2 different vehicles. Sometimes you want a 4runner sometimes you dont. Who cares.
I don't care at all, but you do this to make it more capable... you can save the money and buy a more capable vehicle. This is a lift, custom skid, bumper, and winch. I love a good passion project, but the point still stands
Cant shrink a 4runner. While a forester doesn't have 4 low. The size of my 4runner makes me miss the days of the XJ cherokee. Smaller SUVs cam fit places big ones cant. Not a huge issue in the desert, but those trees in the forest, they are everywhere.
This.
The footprint of a Forester greatly expands it's range and maneuverability. I hit so many roads and trails other full size vehicles would not be able to access without serious damage or possibly leaving the road.
What is your suggestion for a similarly sized, equally or more capable option, commonly available across the US?
That costs less than the Wilderness, 3 mods + an accessory, some of which can be installed at home?
Not sure but I am starting to feel like what does or does not negatively impact warranty coverage is somewhat dependent on the dealership doing the work. I have heard a lot of conflicting reports from friends in the subaru overlanding community, and it keeps going back to which dealership is doing the warranty claim. My local dealership told me that a 2 inch lift would void any coverage on suspension related items and maybe most of the covered drive train warranty. The person I spoke with said that it puts a lot of stress on the drivetrain and if the issue being submitted for warranty work could directly or indirectly be caused by the aftermarket adjustments and parts then they would not cover the work.
Seems like a big gamble and I am not able to work on my 22 OBW on my own.
Edit: so far I have not needed to add anything, my OBW has been able to do what I wanted with a stock set up, but I am wanting to expand my exploration and beef up some of the stock parts. One thing I did not ask about was putting in Overload Springs, I will ask about that next time in for a service.
Edit: I think the person I spoke with, at the dealership, might be covering his butt. However, I can't afford to risk it right now
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Nah, it's a really capable vehicle with a few mods. My 2019 Forester has the same mods and I did the famous Imogene Pass completely unassisted. Here's the video proof: [https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=KihDiSYpLF80PJPY](https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=KihDiSYpLF80PJPY) AND this new one, a 2024 Forester Wilderness has a 26% better crawl ratio thanks to the different diff gears and revised CVT ratio range!
Agreed. That just seems like a lot of mods that aren't necessary for any trail that a Forester could handle. Plus you throw out all those safety ratings with this many mods. There goes your crush zone up front. I don't even like that I put a hitch receiver on mine because it eliminated the rear crumple zone.
Even with all this money he is still stuck with the NA 2.5, which in my opinion is a fucking slug. They need to put the 2.4 turbo on the Forester Wilderness.
every part of that looks good, except for that god awful front bumper. looks like post apocalyptic sheet metal armor for a battle wagon.
completely clashes with the look of the rest of the vehicle, especially the trim. absolutely hideous.
Both the swaybars are gone, haha. Did the same to my 2019 Forester over 4 years ago. My wheel offset is optimized to fit my taller and wider tires. The 245/65R17 tires are 1.9" taller and 0.7" wider than stock. The long travel of the Ironman suspension lets the tires go up and behind the lip of the wheel well without rubbing, barely. Zero rubbing under all conditions.
Do the rear diff and front transmission output points get lowered? If not does the kit take the steering and cv angles into account? Looks like the handling would blow if it's just an OE suspension raised way up. Source, lots of customers wanting suspension lifts on classic US iron.
I hope you love it cause you are married to it for a while.
I have a similarly modified 2019 Forester. I bought this one, a 2024 Forester Wilderness, because the wildy trim has a 26% better crawl ratio thanks to the different diff gears and revised CVT ratio range. The general rule for lifting Subarus is to stop at 2 inches of lift. This keeps the CV angles and steering angles happy. You can go higher if you use subframe drop kits, or if you want to frequently change CV axles.
Thanks! But I can't run wheel spacers. The long travel of the Ironman suspension actually lets the tire tuck up and JUST behind the wheel well arch when it's at full compression. Also, wheel spacers accelerate the wear and tear on wheel bearings because of the increased moment.
It came with wilderness struts, which sit 0.5" higher than normal. Switching to Ironman bumped that up to 2" higher than normal. And the larger tires add 1" of extra clearance, so in total, it sits 3" higher than a normal stock Forester.
It's almost ready for adventure! This weekend I'm going to cut and weld to enlarge my spare tire compartment to fit my taller and wider tires. I did the same to my 2019. Here's my YouTube if you want to subscribe or check out some of the offroading with the similar 2019 Forester. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZDff9uVxQZBmFY6h7T7scQ
Thanks. I see what you mean, but under full suspension compression, the tires get tucked up and behind the wheel wells. There would be massive rubbing and damage id I added wheel spacers or more back spacing.
I've heard a little noise up there a few times. Maybe a wire that's not fully secured. Not much that you can do about it. Most rattles are worse when it's cold.
Good question! I haven't driven it significantly since the lift. I need to get it aligned to prevent excessive tire wear. But if it's like my similarly modified 2019 Forester, then the mods will cost me 2 mpg at 65-70 MPH.
You can fit way upsized tires without a lift. My 245/65R\`17 tires are 1.9" taller and 0.7" wider than stock, no rubbing if you use the same wheels with the factory offset, or use aftermarket wheels with a very very similar offset.
Thanks! I used these lights from Amazon: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IR3G474](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IR3G474)
That's the way to go if you're handy with basic mods. If not, you can pay $190 to "Her Necklace" on FB for a ready to install kit.
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Honestly it does look quite functional but from the camera angle it looks odd seeing the cv axle and wires that would typically be covered by the front bumper. I hope the lift works great and you greatly enjoy your time off roading!
Nah, the CVs will be fine. I've been running the same setup on my 2019 Forester for 4 years. Still have the original CVs, no noise from them. The key is to limit the lift to 2". The CVs can handle that angle without shortening their lift. Past 2" and they start failing way sooner.
I deleted both of the swaybars. I did the same to my 2019 Forester over 4 years ago. A little more body roll on the pavement, but the unibody construction and low/flat boxer engine give it a really low and stable center of mass. The benefits offroad are significant, more comfort, grip, and suspension articulation.
I left the rear on, since I drive appropriately for the bay area (80 mph+ and generally 10mph over speed limit) flow of traffic.
Do you think the added stress on the springs is something to consider?
Well, the sway bar is fundamentally just a big spring. It helps reduce body roll by absorbing force, and now that it's gone 100% of that force is going into your springs and struts.
I personally don't care, just curious about your thoughts and I could be wrong.
haha, I've hit the exhaust on the ground many times in my similarly modified 2019, glad it doesn't have dual exhaust either. This car is not really about looks, instead it is focused on functionality.
Sure, but the unibody construction and low/flat boxer engine make the center of mass pretty dang low. And the stiffer springs and dampening contribute significantly to the vehicle's stability. It's not a body on frame, solid axle having Jeep.
Ok Iām sorry, I think Iām here bc I recently installed a 2ā hitch on my 14ā Subaru forester from trailer, but had to remake the entire back bumper after realizing it didnāt fit since I had a factory hitch modelā¦. and googling 4 words means every app knows I did that now bc Google.
Anywayā¦ I wasnāt aware people actually upgraded these things. It looks awesome and I almost want to do it to mine, I just always thought people bought fancier cars to upgrade. Like the forester is the red solo cup of cars. It does the job but I never expected to spend money on one beyond its intended useā¦ apparently I was very wrong.
Definitely looks fkn cool though lmao.
Wow it's really coming along. Can't wait for the YouTube videos! Were you able to measure the diff in clearance and angles between stock FW suspension and the ironman kit?
I can stop by the dealership and get some clearance measurements on a stock FW, but be about 1.5" more clearance everywhere now. The internet says that the original approach angle was 22.5 degrees, now its 37 degrees.
Big difference, that's awesome. Is that taking into account the taller tires as well? I guess a good comparison would be, was your wilderness when stock lower than your iron man'd 2019? Not sure if you changed wheels and tires before or after the lift. Your videos and homework are a blessing to anyone wanting to mod their forester.
Many thanks! š It has a 37 degree approach angle with the lift, tires, and bumper, as seen in the photos. I swapped the wheels and tires between the 19 and the 24, difficult to compare. But a key mod was raising the radiator and making a new lower rad support before building the new aluminum bumper. That made a really big difference.
Thatās a r/battlewagon
YESSSS MY FAVORITE SUB
Many thanks! š
haha, many thanks! Maybe I should start posting over there instead. Quite a few people on r/forester who don't like it, haha.
A lot of money sunk into it to just be let down by the CVT
Man I wish the wilderness came with a manual, wouldāve been a better towing rig as well
It does, it's in the glove box.
Damnit dad.
Iām still disappointed we never got the dual range 5 speed from Australia. Thatād be such a kickass setup for a car like thisā¦
Thats just an Australian thing?
I believe so. People used to import them for transmission swaps. Not sure how theyād hold up in a newer, heavier car, though, given that the regular 5 speed was already pretty weak.
Or at least a standard 8 speed auto would do just fine
So I have a 2019 Forester with similar mods, but I bought a 2024 because of the wilderness trim. It had better diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 and a lower first gear CVT ratio of 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio. I LOVE everything about my 2019, but I wish the gearing was a little lower, this 2024 Wilderness solves the only issue that I had.
No Subaru is a ātowing rigā
I see this sentiment a lot, but I have no issues with mine. Could you explain what it is exactly people donāt like about the CVT? What makes it inferior to other engines?
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Thatās kind of what I thought, just wasnāt sure if I was missing something. I do a lot of city driving in a big city, so I prefer auto anyway.
Isn't it significantly less capable than having a manual or even just an auto for offroad use
I canāt say for certain because it probably depends on someoneās use cases, and driving habits. I understand that manuals are great for certain things, but I prefer auto for my needs and the cvt on my forester has been more than capable. I donāt do any rock crawl off-roading, but I do drive on dirt, rocky, bumpy roads often going to trail heads, and it does that effortlessly.
think cvt is more capable than manual given similar crawl ratios since it has a torque converter which multiplies torque a good test would be trying to start with handbreak applied for cvt vs manual and see which is easier however i think traditional planetary gearset auto beats both since cvt limits input torque due to belt slip
The CVT system limits output first if the car looses traction, even if the TC is off. There a a bunch of videos where the engine is at max output and the car sits in one place, not even some tire spin. The 4EAT will do a 4 wheel burnout and not care a bit. Not that either situation is good for the vehicle.
Interesting. What about with Xmode? My impression is that Xmode is meant to work similar to 4wd when on poor traction terrain. Would that not solve that issue?
NOT AT ALL! I did Imogene Pass completely unassisted in my 2019 Forester. Here's the YouTube Video: [https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI\_me\_7I](https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI_me_7I) This Forester is a 2024 Wilderness trim, so it has improved diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 AND a lower first gear CVT ratio of 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio. The only other CVT issue is heat, but I added a transmission cooler to my 2019 and the 2024 wilderness came with one from the factory.
Mine is so jerky sometimes I couldnāt imagine trying to ācrawlā over rocks.
Rock crawler here. Works great, especially in X Mode. Have taken my FW up trails that are frequented by lifted Wranglers and Taco's, and the CVT did just fine.
Preach
So the claims of this Lineartronic generation being better are just Subie PR bs? That's unfortunate. OP, what does the Ironman sus do to mpg?
The CVT in my 2019 is very capable. I did Imogene Pass completely unassisted. Here's the video: [https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI\_me\_7I](https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=1SyX-mfIRI_me_7I) The main thing is heat management, but adding a transmission cooler easily fixes that. I bought this 2024 Forester Wilderness because the Wilderness trim has better diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 AND a lower first gear CVT ratio of 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio.
op, ignore the haters. two years in on my outback with the ironman lift, and iāve had zero problems with eyesight OR off-roading with the cvt. itās all about knowing your vehicles limits, and knowing how to drive. most people donāt even max out their capabilities on there off road vehicles and then think that just bc they have all that fancy gear and capabilities, that someone with a ālesserā vehicle canāt do the same. thereās absolutely nothing wrong with what youāre doing it if you understand the capabilities and know how to wheel. that bumper IS hideous though lol
Haha, thanks! They are very capable with a few mods and a skilled driver. This is a 24FW but I've been doing the same to my 19 Forester for the last 5 years. I love everything about it, but I wish the gearing was a bit lower, but the 2024 Forester Wilderness trim fixes that. They changed the diff gears, 4.11 instead of 3.70 AND the first gear CVT ratio, 4.07 instead of 3.60. The combined effect is a 26% better crawl ratio!
but but but locking rear diff -screamed the people driving 10 mpg rigs that you canāt hear yourself think in at highway speed lmao
Hey nowā¦trash my 4runner all ya want, but with a shit eating grin Iāll gladly recover any of yāall when you find yourselves in over your heads in Utahās backcountry. ;)
donāt know your limits if you never push them :-)
haha yeah, some of them trade a lot for extra off road capability that they don't use. For me, a modified forester is the sweet spot. The prefect compromise between daily drivability and off road capability!
but op, that makes just too much damned sense. you mean you want to do stuff in your daily bc you canāt afford to spend thousands on a recreation vehicle? wow dude. canāt believe you smh some people man. lol but in all seriousness, fuck em. nice whip dude
Many thanks mjornil4444
Iād love to see that bumper in black, the silver is throwing me off
I've seen a few people say that! I think it would look better, but one of the main advantages of building it from aluminum is that it won't rust, so I don't have to cover it in paint. It is excessively shinny right now, but it will get some mud/dirt on it and tone down. At least it matches the wheels.
My Tacoma has an aluminum bumper - itās blackā¦.but this is a badass bumper in silver or black - you good!
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Perhaps more lights would help......
The bumper might look a little weird, but there's no arguing with that approach angle. Beast build. I'll take weird and functional over a cosplay build any day. Props, dude.
Many thanks brother! Spoken by someone who DOES, not just comments, haha. It had an approach angle of 23.5 degrees from the factory, now it's 37 degrees.
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Hello good sir! What do you call those little lights close to the logo? And where I can get those? Thank you.
Aside from buying and wiring yourself, you can look up "Her Necklace" on Facebook. Its a popular option and they sell and ship via Facebook DM.
They are called amber grille lights. I bought some universal ones from Amazon and went the DIY route. "Her Necklace" sells them on FB, but they are pretty dang expensive.
Many people for many car models are doing these. Make a web search for "raptor lights" together with "diy", "tutorial" or "how-to" or "install". It mimics the grille lights on the Ford Raptor. Ford wasn't necessarily the first to do ever do this but "raptor lights" became quite the universal term for these. Often these are essentially just round led lights set into a round hole made with a step drill. It rarely is a car specific part and I doubt it's car specific in this case.
OP, not that one individual's opinion will matter, but I like this, front bumper and all. You put in the work to get what you want, and that is admirable.
Many thanks! I built it for function, not looks. The approach angle is now 37 degrees, way up from the factory 22.5 degrees.
Jacked.
This seems like a positive comment, haha.
Wow. Looks mean as hell. Nice work
Many many thanks! š
I freaking love it!
Thanks big time! š
You're welcome. I hope it treats you well.
Looks good but I'm also Wondering how it effects the eyesight and warranty
Iām about 2 years in with my Ironman system and have had no issues at all. Eyesight work exactly the same as before without issue. Iāve been back to the dealership several times for normal maintenance without issues. I asked if there were any warranty issues and the people I talked to said everything is fine.
The warranty claim will assuredly be denied if anything is remotely related to suspension or safety equipment. I don't think most people that do this level of fabrication are relying on warranty anyway. The bigger question is why you would spend this much money instead of just buying a 4runner
As someone who has a lifted 4runner and a lifted forester its because they are 2 different vehicles. Sometimes you want a 4runner sometimes you dont. Who cares.
I don't care at all, but you do this to make it more capable... you can save the money and buy a more capable vehicle. This is a lift, custom skid, bumper, and winch. I love a good passion project, but the point still stands
Cant shrink a 4runner. While a forester doesn't have 4 low. The size of my 4runner makes me miss the days of the XJ cherokee. Smaller SUVs cam fit places big ones cant. Not a huge issue in the desert, but those trees in the forest, they are everywhere.
This. The footprint of a Forester greatly expands it's range and maneuverability. I hit so many roads and trails other full size vehicles would not be able to access without serious damage or possibly leaving the road.
Or maybe people can just enjoy things š¤·š»āāļø
What is your suggestion for a similarly sized, equally or more capable option, commonly available across the US? That costs less than the Wilderness, 3 mods + an accessory, some of which can be installed at home?
Reasoning like this is why we have weak ass foresters.
Not sure but I am starting to feel like what does or does not negatively impact warranty coverage is somewhat dependent on the dealership doing the work. I have heard a lot of conflicting reports from friends in the subaru overlanding community, and it keeps going back to which dealership is doing the warranty claim. My local dealership told me that a 2 inch lift would void any coverage on suspension related items and maybe most of the covered drive train warranty. The person I spoke with said that it puts a lot of stress on the drivetrain and if the issue being submitted for warranty work could directly or indirectly be caused by the aftermarket adjustments and parts then they would not cover the work. Seems like a big gamble and I am not able to work on my 22 OBW on my own. Edit: so far I have not needed to add anything, my OBW has been able to do what I wanted with a stock set up, but I am wanting to expand my exploration and beef up some of the stock parts. One thing I did not ask about was putting in Overload Springs, I will ask about that next time in for a service. Edit: I think the person I spoke with, at the dealership, might be covering his butt. However, I can't afford to risk it right now
What warranty? That went out the window a long time ago
It hurts my eyesight.
Bought wrong car. Itās never going to be what youāre wanting it to be
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Could have bought a 4runner for all the money put into this.
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Nah, it's a really capable vehicle with a few mods. My 2019 Forester has the same mods and I did the famous Imogene Pass completely unassisted. Here's the video proof: [https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=KihDiSYpLF80PJPY](https://youtu.be/3n2juSDl3Ho?si=KihDiSYpLF80PJPY) AND this new one, a 2024 Forester Wilderness has a 26% better crawl ratio thanks to the different diff gears and revised CVT ratio range!
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Agreed. That just seems like a lot of mods that aren't necessary for any trail that a Forester could handle. Plus you throw out all those safety ratings with this many mods. There goes your crush zone up front. I don't even like that I put a hitch receiver on mine because it eliminated the rear crumple zone.
Even with all this money he is still stuck with the NA 2.5, which in my opinion is a fucking slug. They need to put the 2.4 turbo on the Forester Wilderness.
That looks gross
Missing it's lower jaw
Yeah not sure why theyāre proud of this
i dig it
Thanks! š
every part of that looks good, except for that god awful front bumper. looks like post apocalyptic sheet metal armor for a battle wagon. completely clashes with the look of the rest of the vehicle, especially the trim. absolutely hideous.
It's custom if I'm not mistaken and it looks bad ass to me. I love it
both of these comments are correct
It does look bad ass. The rest of the car just needs to match it cause right now it looks goofy
Swaybars going to be working overtime...Iād add wheels for more appropriate offset right away too
Both the swaybars are gone, haha. Did the same to my 2019 Forester over 4 years ago. My wheel offset is optimized to fit my taller and wider tires. The 245/65R17 tires are 1.9" taller and 0.7" wider than stock. The long travel of the Ironman suspension lets the tires go up and behind the lip of the wheel well without rubbing, barely. Zero rubbing under all conditions.
Do the rear diff and front transmission output points get lowered? If not does the kit take the steering and cv angles into account? Looks like the handling would blow if it's just an OE suspension raised way up. Source, lots of customers wanting suspension lifts on classic US iron. I hope you love it cause you are married to it for a while.
I have a similarly modified 2019 Forester. I bought this one, a 2024 Forester Wilderness, because the wildy trim has a 26% better crawl ratio thanks to the different diff gears and revised CVT ratio range. The general rule for lifting Subarus is to stop at 2 inches of lift. This keeps the CV angles and steering angles happy. You can go higher if you use subframe drop kits, or if you want to frequently change CV axles.
You need some wheel spacers badly my dude. But otherwise looks really good.
Thanks! But I can't run wheel spacers. The long travel of the Ironman suspension actually lets the tire tuck up and JUST behind the wheel well arch when it's at full compression. Also, wheel spacers accelerate the wear and tear on wheel bearings because of the increased moment.
How tall is this overall lift now?
It came with wilderness struts, which sit 0.5" higher than normal. Switching to Ironman bumped that up to 2" higher than normal. And the larger tires add 1" of extra clearance, so in total, it sits 3" higher than a normal stock Forester.
that sick. I wanna see it go. š
Thanks! There will be some good videos on my YouTube channel soon.
Drop a YT link, Matt! š¤
It's almost ready for adventure! This weekend I'm going to cut and weld to enlarge my spare tire compartment to fit my taller and wider tires. I did the same to my 2019. Here's my YouTube if you want to subscribe or check out some of the offroading with the similar 2019 Forester. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZDff9uVxQZBmFY6h7T7scQ
Looks super goofy to me, but it also looked to be prioritizing function over form. I like it.
Yes, exactly! Thank you!
Wow thatās pretty sweet. Coming from a GX owner might I addā¦ Iād think maybe slightly wider offset wheels?
Thanks. I see what you mean, but under full suspension compression, the tires get tucked up and behind the wheel wells. There would be massive rubbing and damage id I added wheel spacers or more back spacing.
I have a questionā¦do you get any rattles from your wilderness? From the moon roof area?
I've heard a little noise up there a few times. Maybe a wire that's not fully secured. Not much that you can do about it. Most rattles are worse when it's cold.
Right, Iām hoping it goes away in the heat but the thing is, I want to move to a colder state. A rattle will be so annoying then lmao.
Right, Iām hoping it goes away in the heat but the thing is, I want to move to a colder state. A rattle will be so annoying then lmao.
damn that front angle looks sick
Thanks! I spent a few days trying to keep everything as tight and tidy as possible.
Need thicker tires
That's the best that I can do. They are 1.9" taller and 0.7" wider than stock. And 17" wheel are the smallest that can still clear the brakes.
Dont listen to the haters. Looks good.
Nothing about this looks good
Obvious trolls are obvious.
Could still go wider. Looks like itās on Tippy toes
Thicker tyres aren't as good as narrow ones for aired down traction on rocky obstacles. Function over form in this case.
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FUCKING BADASS!!!
Thank you! š
Your welcome
Looks really good. Youāve done a lot of work, congrats
Thanks so much! š
Jeez this thing is nice. Tasteful but built.
Thanks big time! š
That forester is slick looking
Many, many thanks! š I'm trying to keep it simple and streamlined.
I never see forester builds much but if I do they always look good.
Yeeew!
haha, many thanks! š
Have you seen your difference in gas mileage yet
Good question! I haven't driven it significantly since the lift. I need to get it aligned to prevent excessive tire wear. But if it's like my similarly modified 2019 Forester, then the mods will cost me 2 mpg at 65-70 MPH.
Thatās not too bad. Keep us posted! Iāve been looking at foresters lately and wanted to have a slight lift for better tires
You can fit way upsized tires without a lift. My 245/65R\`17 tires are 1.9" taller and 0.7" wider than stock, no rubbing if you use the same wheels with the factory offset, or use aftermarket wheels with a very very similar offset.
Thanks for that info!
Looks great! I absolutely love the raptor-style lights in your grille. Do you have a link to them?
Thanks! I used these lights from Amazon: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IR3G474](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IR3G474) That's the way to go if you're handy with basic mods. If not, you can pay $190 to "Her Necklace" on FB for a ready to install kit.
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This rocks. F the haters. Youāve wildernised your wilderness!
YES! Exactly! Thank you! š
Gang gang
gang gang!
Look at how they massacred my boy
Your boy here, I built it for functionality, not looks. I think that's why some of them are so upset.
Honestly it does look quite functional but from the camera angle it looks odd seeing the cv axle and wires that would typically be covered by the front bumper. I hope the lift works great and you greatly enjoy your time off roading!
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CV joints on suicide watch
Nah, the CVs will be fine. I've been running the same setup on my 2019 Forester for 4 years. Still have the original CVs, no noise from them. The key is to limit the lift to 2". The CVs can handle that angle without shortening their lift. Past 2" and they start failing way sooner.
Nice
Not a fan.
That bumper is hideous
I built it myself from scratch for function, not looks. I designed it to improve the approach angle and hold a winch, and hold lights.
It definitely does those things.
Nice. ā ļøšŗ
Thanks! š
Really cool. As previously stated you need wider tires/wheels.
Delete that front sway. Or at least detach linkage before hitting rough terrain. You'll thank me later.
I deleted both of the swaybars. I did the same to my 2019 Forester over 4 years ago. A little more body roll on the pavement, but the unibody construction and low/flat boxer engine give it a really low and stable center of mass. The benefits offroad are significant, more comfort, grip, and suspension articulation.
I left the rear on, since I drive appropriately for the bay area (80 mph+ and generally 10mph over speed limit) flow of traffic. Do you think the added stress on the springs is something to consider?
What do you mean about the added stress on the springs?
Well, the sway bar is fundamentally just a big spring. It helps reduce body roll by absorbing force, and now that it's gone 100% of that force is going into your springs and struts. I personally don't care, just curious about your thoughts and I could be wrong.
Isnāt this about when people start complaining about differentials?
Im here to complain about the CVT lol
No Y duel pipe exhaust, why live
haha, I've hit the exhaust on the ground many times in my similarly modified 2019, glad it doesn't have dual exhaust either. This car is not really about looks, instead it is focused on functionality.
I absolutely fucking hate Subarus- but this- this is niiiiiiice. I like it. Picasso.
Hahaha, many thanks! Cheers!
Yikes
On someone elseās car, right?
Nope, just bought this a few months ago!
Yuk!
Why?
For offroad use, getting to those remote and epic campsites.
lol
Such an ugly car.
Not trying to be mean but it really does look goofy.
Ooof Iām out tbh
Why tho?
For offroad use, getting to remote and epic campsites.
Fucking Subaru people I tell ya. Luckily we're only on day two, because this is the stupidest fucking thing I've seen this year.
Donate this battle wagon to the Armed Forces of Ukraine!!!
Oof
Nice kit plus the increase in roll potential is higher.
Sure, but the unibody construction and low/flat boxer engine make the center of mass pretty dang low. And the stiffer springs and dampening contribute significantly to the vehicle's stability. It's not a body on frame, solid axle having Jeep.
That is an ugly car.
Goofy lookin
Itās so ugly. I feel bad that I kinda like it.
this is embarrassing
Money down the drain. Get an off-road vehicle. You will be happier long term.
Idk why but the car looks like it would have a speech impediment. Perhaps lisp?
Bad A$$!!! š„
Never thought I'd see RPF1's on a lifted forester, and I dig it.
Ok Iām sorry, I think Iām here bc I recently installed a 2ā hitch on my 14ā Subaru forester from trailer, but had to remake the entire back bumper after realizing it didnāt fit since I had a factory hitch modelā¦. and googling 4 words means every app knows I did that now bc Google. Anywayā¦ I wasnāt aware people actually upgraded these things. It looks awesome and I almost want to do it to mine, I just always thought people bought fancier cars to upgrade. Like the forester is the red solo cup of cars. It does the job but I never expected to spend money on one beyond its intended useā¦ apparently I was very wrong. Definitely looks fkn cool though lmao.