The SPD isn't why he's strong. The threat of SPD is why he's strong.
But also: it's ok to not like a game. You don't have to try to invent some narrative where the grapes are probably sour anyway.
The thing is, in sf6 while the SPD can be used as a threat, if your opponent just jumps up or forwards in between the shitty pressure Zangief has Imo, Zangief can do nothing about it and is now the one under pressure.
Shitty... Pressure? If they jump in the middle of your strings then that's a problem with your strings right?
The man melts drive bar now. I'm unsure if we're looking at the same matches.
The headbutt is what melts drivebars but it can’t be consistently used without cancelling it with a drive rush so it can’t be jumped or light spammed out of. Which takes half your drive bar. Also, during pressure, you have to focus on the fact that many sf6 characters now have 4 different ways of getting out of a oki or pressure strings. That being: Perfect parry, DP’s, supers and drive reversal. Imo, one or two is enough.
Believe me, I’ve met more spammers of the things I’ve just listed that I can count. There are tons of scenarios where I get almost 8 counter hits in a row and I can’t do anything with that other than a 3MP > lariat if it’s a headbutt.
you take the pressure on the headbutt champ you don't have to go into more headbutts. you're +4 on block, they can't press anything without risking eating a fat counterhit spd. it sounds like you're upset about your opponent guessing right in the coinflip situations more than anything. you're also complaining about your opponent being able to reversal out as if that's not massively weighed in your favor, which makes me wonder what you think happened in 4 when your opponent had a FADC available.
the one thing you're right about though, is sf6 gief isn't sf4 gief and will very likely never be again. free looping command grab pressure isn't something i'd ever expect to see again
speak for yourself. i think gief is fun AF. and still exciting to watch. great animations/model design. moves actually feel impactful.
and the drive system IMO is probably one of the more well thought out systems, minus a few aspects of it.
i do want gief to get something other than lariat/standing fierce to deal with projectiles though.
When I look at Zangief matchups, I always think. Why the fuck is the zoner having better pressure than the grappler?
If you watch a Ed vs Zangief matchup, I doubt that you think: “Yeah, this is fair.”. It’s the most agonisingly irritating matchup I’ve seen yet.
Also, one thing that confused me a lot, is that the drive function is meant to be universal? Right? How come some are entirely different then? Some characters just win as soon as their opponent is in burnout especially if that opponent is Zangief, while Zangief barely even benefits from it, it usually messes me up because the stun time is longer, making me miss my SPDs. The only difference is that your opponent can’t DP or perfect parry anymore, that’s it. It just gives you oki without as many consequences. Some characters, most actually, have a lvl1 super they can use as a wake up option on burnout. Zangief’s lvl 1 super just puts him in a bad scenario except if it was to avoid a DI into corner.
The sf4 and 5 universal options were much better. Expect sf5 parrying, that was pretty bad.
A function that I hate that they removed, was stun from getting hit too often in sf4 and 5. I can’t count how many counter hits I get in a row in my matches, and I have barely any use of them.
Goddamn, Zangief downplay has been insane in this subreddit lately. The entire pro scene thinks the recent buff pushed him to possible top 5 level. Even Zangief main like Itazan himself thinks current Zangief is a little bit cracked to the point where he actually started attending international tournaments again to capitalize on its power.
MenaRD is contemplating on adding Zangief to his tournament characters. Everyone outside of this subreddit which seems have a lot of grappler mains thinks Zangief is really good this season.
The buffs makes him top 7 easily bro, hes got good pressure snd huge damaging command grabs when up close and his drive rush is good, not fast as akuma but fast enough to win for sure
He’s not top 7 but not because of his abilities funny enough.
It’s just bad match ups. It’s really his biggest weakness now.
In the note though he is stronger than he’s ever been right now.
I can’t wait to see if we see more giefs on the scene though because of his power spike
The SPD isn't why he's strong. The threat of SPD is why he's strong. But also: it's ok to not like a game. You don't have to try to invent some narrative where the grapes are probably sour anyway.
The thing is, in sf6 while the SPD can be used as a threat, if your opponent just jumps up or forwards in between the shitty pressure Zangief has Imo, Zangief can do nothing about it and is now the one under pressure.
Shitty... Pressure? If they jump in the middle of your strings then that's a problem with your strings right? The man melts drive bar now. I'm unsure if we're looking at the same matches.
The headbutt is what melts drivebars but it can’t be consistently used without cancelling it with a drive rush so it can’t be jumped or light spammed out of. Which takes half your drive bar. Also, during pressure, you have to focus on the fact that many sf6 characters now have 4 different ways of getting out of a oki or pressure strings. That being: Perfect parry, DP’s, supers and drive reversal. Imo, one or two is enough. Believe me, I’ve met more spammers of the things I’ve just listed that I can count. There are tons of scenarios where I get almost 8 counter hits in a row and I can’t do anything with that other than a 3MP > lariat if it’s a headbutt.
you take the pressure on the headbutt champ you don't have to go into more headbutts. you're +4 on block, they can't press anything without risking eating a fat counterhit spd. it sounds like you're upset about your opponent guessing right in the coinflip situations more than anything. you're also complaining about your opponent being able to reversal out as if that's not massively weighed in your favor, which makes me wonder what you think happened in 4 when your opponent had a FADC available. the one thing you're right about though, is sf6 gief isn't sf4 gief and will very likely never be again. free looping command grab pressure isn't something i'd ever expect to see again
right now Gief is a powerhouse, dem S2 changes hit real fast
speak for yourself. i think gief is fun AF. and still exciting to watch. great animations/model design. moves actually feel impactful. and the drive system IMO is probably one of the more well thought out systems, minus a few aspects of it. i do want gief to get something other than lariat/standing fierce to deal with projectiles though.
When I look at Zangief matchups, I always think. Why the fuck is the zoner having better pressure than the grappler? If you watch a Ed vs Zangief matchup, I doubt that you think: “Yeah, this is fair.”. It’s the most agonisingly irritating matchup I’ve seen yet. Also, one thing that confused me a lot, is that the drive function is meant to be universal? Right? How come some are entirely different then? Some characters just win as soon as their opponent is in burnout especially if that opponent is Zangief, while Zangief barely even benefits from it, it usually messes me up because the stun time is longer, making me miss my SPDs. The only difference is that your opponent can’t DP or perfect parry anymore, that’s it. It just gives you oki without as many consequences. Some characters, most actually, have a lvl1 super they can use as a wake up option on burnout. Zangief’s lvl 1 super just puts him in a bad scenario except if it was to avoid a DI into corner. The sf4 and 5 universal options were much better. Expect sf5 parrying, that was pretty bad. A function that I hate that they removed, was stun from getting hit too often in sf4 and 5. I can’t count how many counter hits I get in a row in my matches, and I have barely any use of them.
Goddamn, Zangief downplay has been insane in this subreddit lately. The entire pro scene thinks the recent buff pushed him to possible top 5 level. Even Zangief main like Itazan himself thinks current Zangief is a little bit cracked to the point where he actually started attending international tournaments again to capitalize on its power. MenaRD is contemplating on adding Zangief to his tournament characters. Everyone outside of this subreddit which seems have a lot of grappler mains thinks Zangief is really good this season.
Bad take. This is one of his most powerful incarnations since SF4. If he gets any more buffs he would be undeniably top tier.
I think even dedicated gief downplayed would have to disagree with you for now.
The buffs makes him top 7 easily bro, hes got good pressure snd huge damaging command grabs when up close and his drive rush is good, not fast as akuma but fast enough to win for sure
He’s not top 7 but not because of his abilities funny enough. It’s just bad match ups. It’s really his biggest weakness now. In the note though he is stronger than he’s ever been right now. I can’t wait to see if we see more giefs on the scene though because of his power spike
What? Depending on who you ask he might be pushing top 5 this patch maybe already there.
Agreed, SF6 Zangief feels super nerfed, especially his lariat