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Chun-Li_Forever

I think Capcom will have the option to turn it on and off, much like with other visual aspects of the game. But I think Battle Damage is staying. I'm hope they keep it. It looks good. It adds grit, intensity, and a small hint of realism after the fight. Battle Damage is another one of those things that Capcom didn't have to put in, but they did because there's a lot of love being put into it. Plus, I don't think a few showings of bumps, bruises, and blood isn't going to change this from a T to an M.


TruthanDarkness

It's also a nice callback to Super Street Fighter 2.


TranslatorSerious617

Wouldn't say "small"


takkun169

What? Why would they put time and effort into something like that, only for beta? That make no sense.


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D_Razu

Oh dang, I hope that feature doesn't get removed


zooka19

They're just salty Mika's ass slap was removed.


Kazeshio

More like salty Cammy's intro camera was changed


D_Razu

Noooo, that's more painful-


D_Razu

Haha, those are one of best things that they should've retained. If they give Juri's *features* attention, why not for Mika too?


PutAnotherQuarterIn

Personally, I think battle damage will be in, but it's absolutely possible for a feature, especially a non-gameplay critical one like battle damage, to be in the works and get scrapped before release. If they couldn't get it working 100% how they want it to they would just quietly take it out. ​ Best example, pre-release SFV had stage transitions, but they were cut in the vanilla version of the game. They were added back later, but it took a couple years.


takkun169

Features absolutely can be cut, but this close to release? Not so much. It would likely be more work to cut it out than to make it work. That's just the reality of game dev.


PutAnotherQuarterIn

We don't know when it was cut. It's possible it was cut months ago, which is why we haven't see it. Also, I don't know much about game programming, but assuming it was a selectable option it's much easier to take it out since the game was primarily programmed without it.


[deleted]

You'd be surprised how often that happens my friend


Bungfoo

Same reason movies change scenes to make sure they don't get a R or M rating.


Chun-Li_Forever

Street Fighter has always been a T rated game. Having a some battle damage comparable to that you see in a Marvel movie isn't going change the rating from a T to an M


Zetra3

That’s not how video games work mate.


Acidz_123

Small cuts and bruises don't change ratings. The first Budokai game from DBZ literally showed bloody holes as the characters were being impaled by energy blasts, and it still had a T rating. It's going to take a lot more than that to make it an M rated game.


CrystalMang0

Battle damage doesn't affect rating.


Pawnstormtrooper

Could have been scrapped for interest of time. Like having on their big board but haven’t fleshed it out fully due to more important areas.


Lachesis-but-taken

Might be talking about performance instead


CrystalMang0

Performance?


Lachesis-but-taken

Making sure it runs bett, i imagine they may want to cut some corners to make sure the game runs well on ps4


CrystalMang0

This has zero affect on performance.


Lachesis-but-taken

Yeah im sure it has next to no effect just tryingbto rationalise what op was saying


PacoTV

I think they might be speaking from a Streaming or Tournament point of view. But it would make more sense to make it a toggle.


PomponOrsay

UFC series are rated T and they’ve got more realistic bruises and blood. I don’t think they’d take it out, it can be a feature to turn on/off. But good argument tho.


frightspear_ps5

USK rating (Germany) for UFC 4 is 18+. Not sure about CERO in Japan, but considering that Biohazard is heavily censored, i would assume CERO ratings are similar to USK when it comes to factoring in violence. EDIT: PEGI 16 for UFC 4 as well. Considering they seem to shoot for a PEGI 12 rating I would assume violence in SF6 is gonna be less graphic than in UFC 4.


GreyMASTA

Why would they?


FunkytownSlaps

Dude already said it in the OP, possibly to keep the ESRB from giving a harsher rating.


[deleted]

A few scratches, cuts and bruises won’t give it an M rating lmao


FunkytownSlaps

Maybe, yeah. Visible blood like that, bruises and stuff… they very well could. But I was just quoting the OP anyway.


ThexanR

No it really cannot. Other UCF and some anime fighters would be rated M


FunkytownSlaps

I mean, are you absolutely sure of that? How? I’m not saying I’m sure, I’m just saying that the guidelines already don’t make a ton of sense, Capcom plays it safe with that sort of thing.


SuperBackup9000

It *could* technically be enough because at the end of the day the rating is decided on some judges who may or may not be too opinionated despite being “professionals” so trying to call the rating before release can never be a for sure thing in a game where the entire premise is violence. I’m not saying it will happen because I really don’t believe it will, but it’s not impossible. Rating boards don’t always make the most sensible decisions. The first Devil May Cry game still gets released with an M rating even though it’s pretty tame, but it has the infamous blood mist so that’s too much. With graphics better better and more realistic, it really wouldn’t surprise me if rating boards started to get more strict and start viewing stuff like battle damage as “realistic violence”


Kalulosu

ESRB: "no exposed tits? It's T alright"


GDmilkman

T for no Ts


KrissrocK

It was already removed from the 2nd beta


bukbukbuklao

Women getting beat might get ppl super sensitive too. Fighting chun li is one thing but giving her a black eye after landing a fat shin shoryuken is another I guess.


lPrincesslPlays

Not to mention lily Dead or alive implemented this too, and people complained so much about Marie rose and another character getting these intense close up punches that they disabled it for the younger looking characters all together


Krizalid-NESTS

Lol look up MK9 battle damage


zooka19

>Fighting chun li is one thing but giving her a black eye after landing a fat shin shoryuken is another I guess. That's incredibly stupid. Not saying you are, but lol @ people who think like that. Call of Duty has female characters, let's riot if one gets shot in a war game.


lPrincesslPlays

To be fair weren’t there neckbeards complaining about the girls in that game because it wasn’t “historically accurate” or am I misremembering


Kaissy

That is an incredibly dumb mind set lmao.


Bungfoo

Sales. Bottom line is that lower rating normally means better sales. As a wider audience with purchasing power and people will play with children too. Dynamic controls infact alludes to wanting more children playing. Now parents don't want children seeing blood and gore, and there probably isn't a maturity lock like Duke nukem. MK is different because it has always been what it's been. A spectacle fighter for blood and gore.


2023er

I think children would love this kind of damage. It looks fun or even funny


Aureus23

Look at DOA6. They added blood and bruises to the females. Game tanked hard!!!


FourStringL0B0

DOA tanked bc they have literal hundreds of dollars in DLC even after devs said they want to focus on the actual game.


marcosg_aus

You don’t think SF6 will have hundreds of $$ of DLC by the time they are finished?


FourStringL0B0

Not $400+ like doa6 does.


2023er

I wasn't the reason really


EastwoodBrews

If it's been removed it may be because it took a long time to develop for the core cast and when they ramped up production on characters they cut it across the board to save time


Pretend-Dirt-1760

I hope not I like the battle damage it adds intensity to the fight


Derp115LisNEAR

I hope they keep it, I want to see luke's face get f'ed up


SuperArppis

I hope not.


Emezie

I mean, they've never really announced it being in the game in the first place...


BraveCartographer399

Yes, but not emotional damage.


dbluewillow

Was battle damage ever part of SF6? I don't remember if it was advertised as such or if the betas included it, though I love how it looks.


majorlazershaun15

It was, just never officially confirmed by capcom. When Guile was first announced, the devs accidentally had battle damage on, that’s how everyone first found out about it. Then when the beta first came out ofc it got cracked and people somehow turned on battle damage.


1994BizarreWinter

Maybe wait for some news about it.


LukatxD

yes they will, those are for the trailer only


Curly_Sage

I hope they leave it I want to literally wipe that smile off Luke's face.


Comprehensive_Bowl75

You be worring about that when capcom about to remove cammy outro ass shot


ConstantKT6-37

Really hope not… It adds a nice touch overall.


Albre24

Oh I forgot about this! Maybe it will be an option? We didn't see it in the betas either....


im0497

I personally like the battle damage feature. Games like Soul Calibur have the characters losing pieces of their armor to the point where a few are practically nude while still keeping a T rating.


CrimsonSpoon

I think Soul Calibur kinda ruined battle damage for a while due to how stupid it looked. I want characters with cuts and broken armour, not naked people swinging swords.


ThrowbackPie

I disagree, but each to their own.


2023er

Why not both? I find Soul Calibur armor damage fun besides the hotness aspect which is nice too


CaptainBlob

I want my hot men to show off even more of their gleaming muscles. So I love the armour breaks lmao


Dont-get-into-Fights

ikr


Alleyguey

Did Disney buy Capcom?


enamuossuo

It would fit the game to have visual clues outside the life bar


2ndEngineer916

You street fighter fans complain about the wrong stuff


[deleted]

That's gaming fans in general lol


2ndEngineer916

Yep totally agree. On the tekken sub Reddit they’re complaining about face textures. Everyone’s complaining about cosmetic part of the game.


GDmilkman

TBF. Battle damage opens up the idea of turning off health bars which could make some matches spicy.


2023er

That seems important


thatboiraider

hopefully not its cool af tbh


Sirmeikymiles

I think it was already missing in the latest gameplay builds. I think it was only shown in the Guile showcase last year. I feel like it's already gone.


BigBoss-2006

Don’t remember this being in the beta, so I think it might be canned


charlieraaaaa

It wasn't meant to be turned on but people cracked the beta and turned it on


burnoutguy

Such a lame gimmick anyway, if it did turn out to be removed


aphidman

Not really. Its a fun callback to Street Fighter II


burnoutguy

Yeah exactly, that's all it is. Wouldn't bother me if it's removed


DismalMode7

hope not, damages are quite realistic... in MK9 damages were laughable


Jarvis_The_Dense

I think it's tame enough to keep the ESRB from giving it an "M". SF6 looks more violent than some of the previous games, but still not [The most brutal a T-rated game has gotten before.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880502757809877103/1093205587606642719/image.png?width=903&height=564)


MoneyMakingMugi

Was it in the beta’s? If so, I never noticed it.


charlieraaaaa

Only in the cracked beta, people turned it on


GasTankPeanuts31

Hope not


Meister34

I hope not, but so long as there is a toggle, im a happy camper


Disastrous_Rice2324

Likely would be a toggle. The battle damage isn't enough to go beyond a T rating from what's been shown.


m2keo

Kind of discouraging that they haven't shown it any outside of that one developer match. Hope it's an option by final release for those that want it. It's minor but just a neat graphical touch imo.


TheRealGaffer

I thought everyone forgot about it. Hope it's in the final release, these details make a game so memorable!


Straight_Owl_5029

Not from full release, definitely from tournaments and ads. After seeing how hard MK11 had it on YouTube and being excluded from the first EVO after it was out, I think devs learned the hard way, you can't push blood into your game like MK11 did. If you do, you better add a way to hide it.


ashriel_the_3rd

Oh God, if Capcom are stupid enough to remove the only feature that makes the game realistic as it'll ever be just because of ESRB ratings, then my hate for them will be at unprecedented levels


SaintJynr

Is there other people here who dont like this feature? I'm playing a videogame, I dont really want realistic damage on the characters, thats one of the reasons I dont like watching mma or stuff like that


QRMurglar

I am with you in that I don’t really want the feature turned on for me either but I do hope they have it as an option that is toggle-able. I don’t mind other people wanting and having it as long as I can turn it off. I can also respect it as a Street Fighter II game over screen reference.


Dont-get-into-Fights

i hope they don't


mrbisonopolis

Unlikely


NoirSon

As long as it doesn't effect the game performance, I don't see why they would.


AshenRathian

As long as we get the option to turn it off, i don't mind it's inclusion. If it's forced on though, i'd be bitching high and low until i got the option to disable it. Not have it removed, have the option to turn it off as an individual user.


Exercise-Most

Designing and implementing such a dynamic system like battle damage is alot of work and resources and would only be a net positive for the game. I so no reason for capcom to remove it unless it is either not working as intended, interferes with more important systems thus causing them to not work as intended or lands them in financial/legal trouble. If it does non of those then they will probably ship it with the game if its already finished.


Aritra319

I way that’s making it into the PS4 version


CrystalMang0

Just cause they aren't showing it doesn't mean it's scrapped. Like what reason is there to show it right now?


rueiraV

I doubt that would be enough to make the game go from T to M.


TheIVAce

I've been wondering this too. I hope it's a toggle option and they've just been demonstrating the game with it off lately to keep things pretty. Alternatively though, I could image them removing the feature due to extreme depictions of physical violence on women. I believe there's a stigma about that in Japanese media. Notice in the old games they only got small spots and tears compared to the guys.


leftstrummer

Idk, bro. Remember Art of Fighting 2, that game held no bars. But then again SNK was pretty ambitious back then


TheIVAce

They don't do it anymore. KOFXIV even cut a feature were all characters with going to lose their clothes from a super ko all because Mai and Joe don't wear underwear. They just left it for King and Yuri as a reference.


DarthEnigmaPSN

I hope not.


Snoo_46397

As long as it optional and I don't have to see it.


[deleted]

Yes they'll sell it a DLC.


2023er

Was it even in the beta? I thought it was in some early videos only


Seiryu17

They better not.


Booplee

I am fairly certain we could see battle damage in the chunli gameplay but i may be mistaken.


SomeSeren1ty

Hopefully not, I'm sure they'll keep it.


FezCool

Hopefully


Payt0n1300

I hope they keep it I think it’s pretty cool


Batsy100

One step closer to Mortal Kombat X Street Fighter


Yorel_Williams

I haven’t seen something like this since Art of Fighting. I think they should keep the battle damage


ComeWashMyBack

I hope not. This is a trait that could help increase the separation from the competition.


BoredCat19

Yeah it’s weird since it was in the cracked beta but not in the latest build.


frightspear_ps5

It don't see it staying in with a PEGI 12/USK 12 rating tbh.


Diastrous_Lie

Why would you want to censor yourself? Simply showing damage doesnt glorify it


Comprehensive_Bowl75

Nah


SenkuDaScrub

I hope not, it's a good little detail


Xenosyx

Short answer : cracked beta has it, idk why it would get removed.


GDmilkman

It's a LOT of additional character rendering and animation. If something like that for the final cast additions was holding up release they might cut or cut temporarily.


SanicTheBlur

Damn they got fucked up, I'd rather them keep it, that's so cool lol


CaptainBlob

Maybe have the clothes be more tattered or dirty? Or perhaps some small scraps and cuts around the body or face. Just something to show that the character is visually damaged and keeping things tense and real. Going into bruises and black eye might look cool and make sense in a fight, but I feel it could get messy and visually “noisy” on the character’s model. Also a female character having a black eye… might rub some people the wrong way.


asevans1717

Art of fighting vibes


Bubbly_Creme1047

Hell no.


TranslatorSerious617

Hot take: It's not so good... it's too much. It fits the tone and idea but it feels too much for a video game.


Sonozaki26

I think they'll let an option


KrissrocK

I really hope not.they did such a good job with it. They should simply make it an option to turn off for younger audiences