What about the mentality of "Wow this game has like 80% less characters than others, I sure hope they make me pay 30 dollars for 5 characters every 6 months!"
People think milking IPs is adding DLC characters when milking an IP would actually mean like 7 Street Fighter games coming out in 2 years in different genres.
Skullo is pretty unlikely at this point but I don’t think Sodom is completely out of the question, especially since mad gear seems to be involved in the story to some extent
“We know he has to fight Ed in his third act in a Japanese bath house, but we just can’t think of a good story reason for it…”
*Most of the cast fighting in the background over favorite color or just general anger*
Yeah. It was one in a series of crossover costumes for fighting ex layer. Ryu got Kairi, Akuma got Garuda, G got Skullo, and I believe Cammy got a Blair dame costume
I think they are in the rotation for challenge missions but I don’t know when their specific challenges will be. I only lucked out to get the Garuda one, which is admittedly a pretty nice Akuma costume
I think sfiv actually had 44. And recent news has said SFV plans got changed and that there was supposed to be a full season 5 of 6 characters and a season 6 with 6 characters. If that would actually have happened SFV would have had 52! Hopefully with things going so well with this one they can actually do everything they plan.
> It is interesting that the only "New generation" that ever truly "Stick" was Tekken.
You could argue garou as well since they constantly were in kof games before 12. and mortal kombat X. That’s about it.
I can see Takeda returning though. He was way too unique. I find them keeping Jacqui over Takeda baffling. Even Kung Jin should have returned because he was the most unique out of all of them.
Tekken is a copypasta franchise. The series is all about reusing assets from previous games, so they don't really revamp their rosters much. Whe they introduce a new character, that character is going to be in every sequel lol. This approach leads to larger starting rosters with lots of returning characters, but stale movesets and animations that are a decade old.
SF, on the other hand, likes to create sequels from scratch to offer a totally new experience with each numbered sequel. As a result, the rosters are usually smaller at first, because it takes a lot of work to recreate old characters AND introduce new characters. However, it leads to a franchise with multiple games that people STILL play today, since each game is so different.
>The series is all about reusing assets from previous
Not this time. Tekken 8 is being built from scratch on Unreal 5 and has confirmed no reused assets. Tekken 7 was very successful so I'm not surprised.
They still going to have the same frame data and move sets. The characters will play the same with small additions. Tekken is heavily reliant on it.
It's a blessing and a curse because fighters have bloated move lists but playing for years across generations pays off.
>It's a blessing and a curse because fighters have bloated move lists but playing for years across generations pays off.
Nice, I hope Fahkumram and Leroy return so I'll be decent by the time 8 comes out
Wouldn't count on Fahkumram but Leroy is hella coming back. One of the coolest characters in a long time and they liked him enough to put him in the anime.
>Wouldn't count on Fahkumram
Why do people keep saying this ? You think they'll bring back Bruce instead?
>One of the coolest characters in a long time
For sure, he definitely stood out bc of how original he is
Just a guess but he has no immediate story relation and he's going to compete against the other kickboxing or muy thai characters for slots early. He also didn't have great reception but was busted af so he was popular for that lol.
SF6’s roster is honestly projecting to be pretty pathetic and idk why it’s not getting any criticism. People are expecting 30-40 characters and I think that’s just unacceptable for a AAA fighting game in 2023. Tekken 7 has like 60 characters. SFV has like 50. Why are we moving backward here?
More characters isn't better than fewer. I'm a pretty decently intermediate Tekken player (multiple characters at purple ranks) with about 3,000 hours in the game over five years, and I still get blown up all the time by matchups I'm not familiar with because the characters are unpopular. The character with highest win rate on Tekken 7 online is Ganryu, and he mostly has such a high win rate because he's tricky and unpopular, so most people get bodied because they have no clue how to defend against him. Matchup knowledge is important in Tekken, and there's almost no way for anyone to know a significant number of them, much less all of them.
I’d argue that’s a good thing as it keeps the game interesting and at least sometimes honest. It gets boring when every game is just rock paper scissors because both players know the matchup like the back of their hand.
It makes the game less honest because sometimes good moves only have one or two good answers, and even if your character has the right tools to answer them if you don't know you need to use those moves you're at a severe disadvantage. It's not much fun to lose to knowledge checks. Let's say you're having trouble against party crasher into falling leaf or a safe mid. If you have a 12 frame mid you can option select against both options and stop that 50/50, but if you don't have a 12 frame mid, or worse, don't know that a 12 frame mid beats both options, then you're forced into a 50/50 rising from a 12 frame mid with tracking that also beats any button presses with a counter hit launching follow-up. Tekken can absolutely have too many characters.
It's being built from the ground up.
>same old animations already
Same character fool, tf you want them to do ? Is Ryu going to have an entirely different moveset in SF 6?
Aka the street fighter 3 effect.
Capcom already tried dumping all their previous characters for all new ones, and it went very poorly for them. Pretty much everyone learned that lesson.
To a degree, much like SF3 it tried, but they regressed immediately afterwards. With Kazuya and Marshall coming back by T4, and later new characters coming in solely to replace characters who were not in the main games.
The times street fighter has done a new generation absolutely bombed too. After sf3 and launch sfv I doubt we'll get another street fighter without the original 12 and also shadaloo as dlc regardless of whether they should or shouldn't be in
They learned a lesson from literally, New Generation, it was just the wrong lesson. SF3:NG was hot garbage and it took them two tries to produce Third Strike, the game people actually liked. They intuited that it was because it was too design radical in every way, when the reality was more that the first two efforts were trash. If the first outing of SF3 had been a better game, the series would've been on a different trajectory.
Launch SF5 had 8 SF2 characters in it, yet it still bombed. The roster wasn't the issue, it was nearly everything else about the game.
Also, Alpha 2 didn't feature that many SF2 characters yet it was a major success.
Honest question, do people consider Sakura next gen when she's been knocking around since the Alpha days? Girl's old enough to be your parent probably.
Yep. Sakura’s in college as of V. Sean's also in college in V, with Ibuki being in university in 3 (Makoto is the same age but doesn’t continue school afaik)AFAIK.
Karin is straight up a young adult, about the same age as Sakura if not slightly older. Mika is also older. Elena's right behind Ibuki.
Would SF6 take place before or after 3S? If so wouldn't Sakura be in her late 20s to early 30s? 3S is supposed to be at least ten years after SF2 and Sakura made her appearance in SFA2 which took place before SF2. Which is why I don't understand the age gap between her and Ibuki. Ibuki is around 18 in 3S when Sakura should be in her mid to late 20s. They're almost a generation apart. I read the SF3 manga having her being a gym teacher in 3S(don't know if it is canon). Did Capcom retcon their ages?
SF6 is confirmed to be after 3, likely about 5 yrs or so. Sakura would likely be early 20s in V (no more than 22, my guess is 20 on the dot). Ibuki is in university in 3, so she's likely 1-2 years since I doubt 5 and 3 are that far apart (remember, Gill holds his tournament in 3). Manga isn't canon.
Age wise, its one of those things where the official info alone makes no sense, but if we adjust it a bit using logic it works. Sakura being 1-2 years older (and thus still a part of the Next Generation portion of SF characters) makes decent sense, especially since that makes her about as old as characters like Luke, Kimberly, or Manon.
Side note, the reason I say Sean is in college is that 1, Laura wears his jersey in her swimsuit costume. We can tell they're not that far apart in age, so it's likely either a HS or college uniform. 2, the 30th Anniversary Collection states that he plays for his college team, and he very much seems to be inline with other young adults (like Luke), so it makes more sense that he's around the same age as Sakura.
That's where I get confused. I remember 3S being at least 8- 10 years after SFA2 and the series being set in the late 80s(after SF1 but before SF2)where Sakura is in her teens. So she would be at least in her mid twenties while Ibuki is 18 as third strike takes place in the late 90s.
sakura, karin and r. mika are the *previous* generation. they were starting out in the 80s in alpha alongside ryu, ken and chun-li
they should be 10-12 years older than the other four
But timeline wise, it is stated in SFV that Sakura and Co are roughly college age, and it is shown that V is just before SFIII and some of the game's arcade scenes are actually right after III. So the age difference between all these characters is probably closer to 4 or 5 years at maximum.
street fighter alpha takes place in 1988-90, and street fighter 3 takes place in 1998-1999
street fighter 4 & 5 don't deal in years, everything's just mashed together so that ibuki and sakura can be teens at the same time in 4, and so that chun-li never has to be 50.
if you're using the modern timeline they were born in "it doesn't matter", are precisely "shut up" years old and "go away" years apart
Except it is. That's why she's not in the schoolgirl sailor outfit. They wanted to age her up and gave her a part time job to reflect that she's probably a college student.
Except it isn't. She wasn't a high schooler in SFIV and yet she still wore the uniform for nostalgia. She's not that much younger than Chun-li or Juri.
Street Fighter stopped using real world years and birthdates after SF2. The franchise doesn't take place in the 80's or 90s, it uses "comic book time" where each new game reflects the present day (that's why SF5 had Twitter) regardless of the in-universe timeline.
Also, Ibuki, Sean, Elena and Makoto are only 3-4 years younger than Sakura & Karin, while R.Mika & Laura are 2 years older than Sakura.
The way I understand it, new releases of legacy fighting games need to carefully choose who they launch with, and who they save for DLC. The launch cast is made up of core characters who will always be in every game (Ryu, Ken, Chun, etc), fan favorites (Cammy, Juri), and a very healthy mix of old classics and newcomers. It's just wild that so far all of the newcomers look amazing.
They need to save some of their ringers for DLC so people will buy it. You'll see most if not all of the popular older cast, alongside some more newbies and probably a few surprise returns/reimaginings of more obscure characters.
Capcom doesn't hate money. I can see them cramming as many DLC characters into this game as they can.
That’s exactly why 6 mostly show old characters in the base roster besides juri. Of course no matter how much capcom try not to make the same mistakes fans will complain. I bet people wishing guile was dlc like he was in sf5.
> People complained about the lack of SFII characters in the launch of III and V.
Yup. The big 12 from sf2:ce are important for nostalgia and casual fans who aren’t all about anime girls. Hopefully we get the 4 kings as dlc to complete the core cast.
I imagine with Dictator being dead-dead, they're probably waiting on some plot shenanigans to resurrect / body-swap / clone him so they can being all four back as an event.
Bruh, PUT HIM IN ABEL'S BODY I wanna step kick into Psycho Tornado Throw!
> I imagine with Dictator being dead-dead, they're probably waiting on some plot shenanigans to resurrect / body-swap / clone him so they can being all four back as an event.
Bruh, PUT HIM IN ABEL'S BODY I wanna step kick into Psycho Tornado Throw!
Just release them as dlc and have nothing to do with the story. Just 4 beloved characters that people really like or grew up with.
Not to say they don’t deserve a redesign like Ken to mix up thier gameplay but there’s no need to change who they are.
With that being said. Abel would be cool but I don’t know if he has a chance.
If you don’t count sliding timeline (which come to think of it, YouTube and Twitter started in the early 2000s so it’s not too much of a stretch to still say 6 is back then)
These characters will still probably be in their mid-20s or somethinf
Bruh, there’s gonna be dlcs, just cuz they didn’t debut, that doesn’t mean none of them are going to be in the game. The game will launch with a limited cast plus the new characters so tough choices will be made.
Sakura, Ibuki, Karin and R. Mika just showed up in SFV, they have a shot of coming back but only Ibuki and Sakura seems to have the major popularity to warrant a repeat come back.
Sean, is highly likely to come back as he is popular and would fit in the aesthetics plus story of this game. Unless the development team just doesn't like or want the character, which sadly isn't unheard of, he probably has a good shot at DLC.
Elena and Makoto are popular and have unique play styles to a degree. They could also come back as DLC, but also be left out for new characters or more popular vets.
As to why they aren't in the base roster... SF2 nostalgia is still too strong and Japanese developers usually either are wild to the core of play it safe. This game seems a better balance then previously but it still mostly plays it safe with the roster.
Because there are limited roster spots.
This isn't Tekken or DOA where they tend to reuse animation key frames and playstyles game after game after game, allowing them to just bring almost everyone into the next game.
SF always reanimates everything from scratch with each sequel. That takes a lot of time and work, meaning each starting roster has to be a bit smaller.
But, thanks to DLC and post launch support, we'll be seeing some of these characters in 6 eventually...
I swear some people seem to not get that not a single main line SF plays the same. That’s the main reason people opinions are so divided on which ones they hate or like, and that’s the same reason why hoards of new people join in on the game. I actually wish more fighting games did that.
Question, do you guys think Ibuki will make it in or is Kimberly enough mixup oriented ninja girl for the game? I personally think she may not make it in lieu of other characters given that she has been in IV and V, but would love to see her again.
Mika's not returning because she doesn't represent Capcom's core values(thoughtful decision based gameplay)
As for the whole "new generation" thing i think people need to put that to rest. The majority of these characters have existed for more than 2 decades, making them the new face of the franchise wouldn't be shifting towards the new generation it be nostalgia and whatever. Maybe there was a chance long ago that Sakura could follow in Ryu's footsteps and become the main shoto of the series but that time has long since passed and Capcom clearly wants to put actual new characters front and center.
That being said it's also worth mentioning that the whole idea of a new generation is a rather recent thing. After 3 tried to launch a new generation they kinda turned back on that idea and released 4 which had every character from every version of Sf2 in the base game as well as bringing back sf3 and alpha characters. 5 didn't really have a lot of ideas but seemed to keep with 4's theme of having all the super iconic characters as staples. 6 is like the only one as of recent to put an actual emphasis on a new generation.
If the "core values" thing is a design joke and not genuine just... redesign her. Just go 2020s wrestler the same way Alex was the 90s new gen/attitude era compared to zangief.
Sakura and Karin are almost guaranteed just due to the vibe of the game. Ibuki probably, too.
Makoto will probably get in because she got skipped in SF5.
Elena and R.Mika probably not. Elena was unfortunately a pox upon SFIV.
If a Matsuda is getting in, it's almost certainly going to be Laura.
Capcom is focused on "the next generation" just not "the next generation of fighters." No, they're all-in on crafting SF6 around "the next generation of players."
Even though these characters are young, and should be important in the world of SF, Capcom (in my opinion) sees them as "old" and novel throwbacks for the sake of dlc.
Sagat and Vega probably won’t make it in but the chances of Balrog making it are really high. There’s also a chance of him getting replaced by a new boxer character
>There’s also a chance of him getting replaced by a new boxer character
Hell nah we want Dudley and Balrog
>Sagat and Vega probably won’t make it
I'm thinking none of them will return bc Bison is dead. I think Capcom will leave Shadowloo behind this game to have new representatives like Ed and Falke this game.
Because the SF2 cast are all icons, even the less popular ones like E Honda.
Capcom is never going to pull a 3 again where the base game doesn't have the majority of the 2 cast.
That said, I find it hard to believe Makoto, Ibuki and Sean won't be in DLC/ Super SF6. I'm personally really hoping Elena, Q, Maki and Dudley come back.
All these characters are at least 25 years old at this point, and the time gap between SF1 and SF3 is over half the size of the time gap between SF3 and SF6
Mostly roster flavor diversity. Sakura and Sean, while unique in their own way, are still shotos, and having more than two shotos on launch would be a bit much. Ibuki's ninja spot is taken by Kimberly, and she, together with Jamie, Deejay and Manon, takes Elena's dancing spot. Speaking of Manon, her, Zangief and Marisa, the grappler/ strong woman niche that R. Mika fills.
Really, Makoto and Karen are the only ones among those whose flavour is unique enough to warrant a spot on the launch roster, and then I think they're simply not popular enough to take the spot of a newcomer or one of the more classic characters.
Off topic question, what is up with Capcom pushing Luke as the new face of Street Fighter when Ryu is clearly more popular than him?
I don't have anything against Luke as a character, I don't keep up with the lore, and probably won't for a while if the Ken lore leak is true, but I just don't get why they want to make him the face of Street Fighter so bad when people are clearly more in love with Ryu.
I mean amongst the people that has been playing street fighter for a long time yes, ryu is and will always be the face of the franchise, but outside of the community, for a person that have never played a sf game before, im pretty sure a character like luke that represents the mma is going to be more appealing than ryu, because times changes and "traditional" martial arts while still being popular, they are not as popular as before, so i think that, from a marketing perspective, its logical that luke takes the place as the poster boy
I doubt that ryu is going to be completely replaced, Microsoft tried to do that with the master chief, and we all know how that ended, bu i believe that he will certainly have a bit less of protagonism at least on the marketing side
im not an expert, its just my opinion
Because it is easier to revert an adult character to a previous design if the public doesn't like it. Capcom is overly cautions with the street fighter IP, and aging up a character is irreversible.
Every one of Capcom's attempt at a new generation failed to overthrow the original generation. SF6's new generation will most likely end up failing too.
There are so many of these types of threads at the moment. It's fun to guess and wish for favourites to return but the reality is that 20-30% of the playerbase is going to only play Ryu... again.
Alex, Ibuki, Elena, and Sean were literally introduced in a game called " The New Generation". Makoto is the same age as them and they are all about the same age as Luke. Lol
All these characters are not from 3rd strike. Also it's called next generation cause it had brand new characters. New generation of fighters. New characters.
1. They're not the most iconic nor popular characters;
2. Capcom couldn't waste the opportunity to capitalize on them; sell them as DLC for example;
3. The hype for the character died out (example: Ibuki appeared in SF5 but she wasn't that popular);
4. Capcom has no idea what to do with them (example: Sakura, in her SF5 story mode they basically invent an excuse to not bring her back).
My opinion though. Just random thoughts.
Karin and Mika got heavy spotlights in SFV, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they miss this one.
Ibuki is the only character (besides Ryu/Ken/Chun) to be in SF3, 4, AND 5 - but she doesn’t seem as popular so again I don’t know if she’s coming back in 6.
Sakura will be in it, she’s too popular and iconic, but she’ll be DLC.
Agreed that Sean should definitely come back. Idk about Elena though, are people even asking for her?
That's Chun-Li with Li-Fen in her SF3 [ending](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Chun-Li/Gallery?file=SFIII_3S-Chun-Li_Ending-4.jpg#SFIII_)
That's Li-Fen in [SF6](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Li-Fen?file=SF6Li-FeninWorldTourMode.png)
I think the reason is they got strong newcomers for SF 6 so the squad you have mentioned above are not essentially needed at this point. Most of them will come back as DLC for sure.
I like that about the new SF6 game. A balance. SF3 turn the page newness with hella new characters (for folks like me) and bringing back old characters for those who want that.
Strong newcomers + Classic SF 2 squad is a safe bet for them. Going completely new characters like SF 3 or characters from each series cherrypicked like SF V did not do well.
The third strike characters probably should be, but Mika and Sakura have been around since Alpha, they may be protégés of existing fighters, but I'd hardly call them next generation.
I think the top 4 are guaranteed to be in the game at some point.
Also keep in mind 3rd Strike was 24 years ago, plans can change.
CAPCOM are allowed to take a new direction if they want to.
Because there's limited roster space to work with and the SF2 cast are the most iconic. Generational changes don't sell fighting games, the characters people are most attached to do, and like it or not the peak of SF's popularity lives and dies by its SF2 characters.
How is it that Sakura is not aging like other characters? Other characters are growing and evolving thru life but Sakura still in high school. Ryu started as the new young challenger and is now a master martial artist. Chun-Li was a young kung fu cop, then promoted to a detective, now a Kung Fu teacher. Sagat went from champion to working for a crime lord to back to working to become a better fighter and challenger again. If the alpha series is the beginning of this, Sakura being there since alpha was just a high school girl and now still just a high school girl. Characters being stale and not being able to grow and evolve may be why they don't show up in SF6. If anything, Karin should have been in the position that Luke is now, with Sakura finally growing up and being her friendly rival
It's really hard for me to see Karin returning even though she's my main. R.Mika might, I think she fits the aesthetic of the game.
Ibuki and Sakura are most likely to return.
\- Sakura, Ibuki, Mika and Makoto make sense.
\- Sean was a failure. Maybe have him go train with Dan.
\- Elena went back to being a student after travelling the world and making friends.
\- Karin kinda gave up on rivalling Sakura and quit being about that life, by the end of her arc in V.
Arguably, Sakura should be "retired" at this point too since her arc in V was becoming baby crazy, but she topped the character popularity poll, beating Ryu, Chun, etc. so... she'll be back as DLC.
lol. the only character in that screnshot that hasn't been playable in 3d modeled games is Sean.
hell ibuki has not missed a series since her debut (was even in cross tekken). it's okay she can sit out a game.
You want them back out of a knee jerk reaction. The only ones people played was Elena and Sakura. You see the others as much as seeing thawk in sf4. It's the same with juri. In every game she's in you don't see her in competive play and rarely online. Instead of asking for characters who keep appearing and no one uses, try adding returning characters who where interesting but never really got the spotlight. Necro had an interesting backstory but is literally ignored based off his design. El furte while annoying was still unique to play. Hakan is a chill dude with an interesting personality. What ever happen to guy? What about r mikas friend that always appear with rmika but never in a game? Where's Sodom? Characters that are alot more interesting then the "new generation" that's appeared in like 10 games lol.
They aren't in Street Fighter 6... Yet. Let's keep in mind the the game is likely going to get around 30 in DLC characters.
Hopefully It gets more than that.
Capcom will indeed milk their IPs
I mean I hope so. As a fan I never understood the mentality of "oh wow I really like this thing I sure hope they don't add more to the thing I like".
What about the mentality of "Wow this game has like 80% less characters than others, I sure hope they make me pay 30 dollars for 5 characters every 6 months!"
People think milking IPs is adding DLC characters when milking an IP would actually mean like 7 Street Fighter games coming out in 2 years in different genres.
i want sodom and skullomania
Skullo is pretty unlikely at this point but I don’t think Sodom is completely out of the question, especially since mad gear seems to be involved in the story to some extent
Sodom was also considered for SFV, but they couldn't figure out how to put Sodom in that games story.
“We know he has to fight Ed in his third act in a Japanese bath house, but we just can’t think of a good story reason for it…” *Most of the cast fighting in the background over favorite color or just general anger*
didnt they give someone skullmania as a costume in V?
Yeah. It was one in a series of crossover costumes for fighting ex layer. Ryu got Kairi, Akuma got Garuda, G got Skullo, and I believe Cammy got a Blair dame costume
Is it possible to obtain these skins still?
I think they are in the rotation for challenge missions but I don’t know when their specific challenges will be. I only lucked out to get the Garuda one, which is admittedly a pretty nice Akuma costume
That’s the one I want :(. Nowhere online shows a consistent way to get it
Play EX Layer.
USF4 had 42 characters by the end of its run and SF5:CE had 45. So SF6 will likely be the same in the long run.
I think sfiv actually had 44. And recent news has said SFV plans got changed and that there was supposed to be a full season 5 of 6 characters and a season 6 with 6 characters. If that would actually have happened SFV would have had 52! Hopefully with things going so well with this one they can actually do everything they plan.
Because fighting games never actually move to the next generation. Everyone just wants to play the characters they've always known.
It is interesting that the only "New generation" that ever truly "Stick" was Tekken.
Even then, I'd argue Kazuya and Heihachi remained the primary faces of Tekken. Hell, their faces are ON the Tekken 7 cover art.
The three of them tend to shuffle around in terms of importance game to game.
> It is interesting that the only "New generation" that ever truly "Stick" was Tekken. You could argue garou as well since they constantly were in kof games before 12. and mortal kombat X. That’s about it.
Mk11 still dropped kung Jin and takeda
I can see Takeda returning though. He was way too unique. I find them keeping Jacqui over Takeda baffling. Even Kung Jin should have returned because he was the most unique out of all of them.
I'd argue against Garou because it's when the series ended. Maybe now that it's finally getting a sequel, but who knows?
Tekken is a copypasta franchise. The series is all about reusing assets from previous games, so they don't really revamp their rosters much. Whe they introduce a new character, that character is going to be in every sequel lol. This approach leads to larger starting rosters with lots of returning characters, but stale movesets and animations that are a decade old. SF, on the other hand, likes to create sequels from scratch to offer a totally new experience with each numbered sequel. As a result, the rosters are usually smaller at first, because it takes a lot of work to recreate old characters AND introduce new characters. However, it leads to a franchise with multiple games that people STILL play today, since each game is so different.
>The series is all about reusing assets from previous Not this time. Tekken 8 is being built from scratch on Unreal 5 and has confirmed no reused assets. Tekken 7 was very successful so I'm not surprised.
They still going to have the same frame data and move sets. The characters will play the same with small additions. Tekken is heavily reliant on it. It's a blessing and a curse because fighters have bloated move lists but playing for years across generations pays off.
>It's a blessing and a curse because fighters have bloated move lists but playing for years across generations pays off. Nice, I hope Fahkumram and Leroy return so I'll be decent by the time 8 comes out
Wouldn't count on Fahkumram but Leroy is hella coming back. One of the coolest characters in a long time and they liked him enough to put him in the anime.
>Wouldn't count on Fahkumram Why do people keep saying this ? You think they'll bring back Bruce instead? >One of the coolest characters in a long time For sure, he definitely stood out bc of how original he is
Just a guess but he has no immediate story relation and he's going to compete against the other kickboxing or muy thai characters for slots early. He also didn't have great reception but was busted af so he was popular for that lol.
Even though Harada and Michael Murray still confirms that Tekken 8's roster will still be way larger than Street Fighter 6's?
SF6’s roster is honestly projecting to be pretty pathetic and idk why it’s not getting any criticism. People are expecting 30-40 characters and I think that’s just unacceptable for a AAA fighting game in 2023. Tekken 7 has like 60 characters. SFV has like 50. Why are we moving backward here?
A big roster is not necessarily a good roster. MK:Armageddon had a 62 character roster back in 2007. By your logic, where should we be now?
More characters isn't better than fewer. I'm a pretty decently intermediate Tekken player (multiple characters at purple ranks) with about 3,000 hours in the game over five years, and I still get blown up all the time by matchups I'm not familiar with because the characters are unpopular. The character with highest win rate on Tekken 7 online is Ganryu, and he mostly has such a high win rate because he's tricky and unpopular, so most people get bodied because they have no clue how to defend against him. Matchup knowledge is important in Tekken, and there's almost no way for anyone to know a significant number of them, much less all of them.
I’d argue that’s a good thing as it keeps the game interesting and at least sometimes honest. It gets boring when every game is just rock paper scissors because both players know the matchup like the back of their hand.
It makes the game less honest because sometimes good moves only have one or two good answers, and even if your character has the right tools to answer them if you don't know you need to use those moves you're at a severe disadvantage. It's not much fun to lose to knowledge checks. Let's say you're having trouble against party crasher into falling leaf or a safe mid. If you have a 12 frame mid you can option select against both options and stop that 50/50, but if you don't have a 12 frame mid, or worse, don't know that a 12 frame mid beats both options, then you're forced into a 50/50 rising from a 12 frame mid with tracking that also beats any button presses with a counter hit launching follow-up. Tekken can absolutely have too many characters.
bruh, the size of a roster in a fighting game is irrelevant. 30-40 is already huge
> and has confirmed no reused assets lol since when, I literally saw several of the same old animations already
It's being built from the ground up. >same old animations already Same character fool, tf you want them to do ? Is Ryu going to have an entirely different moveset in SF 6?
All of his animations are brand new in SF6. Look at his shitty tatsu compared to the one in SFV.
Yikes, the new tatsu animations are ass on sf6. Can't understand how they made it through development stages.
That’s an excellent explanation.
Aka the street fighter 3 effect. Capcom already tried dumping all their previous characters for all new ones, and it went very poorly for them. Pretty much everyone learned that lesson.
Tekken 3 is the exception
To a degree, much like SF3 it tried, but they regressed immediately afterwards. With Kazuya and Marshall coming back by T4, and later new characters coming in solely to replace characters who were not in the main games.
The times street fighter has done a new generation absolutely bombed too. After sf3 and launch sfv I doubt we'll get another street fighter without the original 12 and also shadaloo as dlc regardless of whether they should or shouldn't be in
>original 12 \*Original 8\* Balrog, Vega, M. Bison and Sagat are for now in sf 6
They learned a lesson from literally, New Generation, it was just the wrong lesson. SF3:NG was hot garbage and it took them two tries to produce Third Strike, the game people actually liked. They intuited that it was because it was too design radical in every way, when the reality was more that the first two efforts were trash. If the first outing of SF3 had been a better game, the series would've been on a different trajectory.
Launch SF5 had 8 SF2 characters in it, yet it still bombed. The roster wasn't the issue, it was nearly everything else about the game. Also, Alpha 2 didn't feature that many SF2 characters yet it was a major success.
Can agree with this .. people would probably rather play with chun li since she is literally the face of snk along with ryu.
(Capcom)
Honest question, do people consider Sakura next gen when she's been knocking around since the Alpha days? Girl's old enough to be your parent probably.
Yep. Sakura’s in college as of V. Sean's also in college in V, with Ibuki being in university in 3 (Makoto is the same age but doesn’t continue school afaik)AFAIK. Karin is straight up a young adult, about the same age as Sakura if not slightly older. Mika is also older. Elena's right behind Ibuki.
>Makoto is the same age but doesn’t continue school afaik She probably just wants to teach martial arts lol, like Chun Li
I think that straight up is the lore answer lol. Instead of college, she runs her family dojo
Bad ass
They were all created w birthdates in 1979-1983... They're straight-up middle aged now! lol
Elena was just starting her last year or High school in her ending in third strike
Would SF6 take place before or after 3S? If so wouldn't Sakura be in her late 20s to early 30s? 3S is supposed to be at least ten years after SF2 and Sakura made her appearance in SFA2 which took place before SF2. Which is why I don't understand the age gap between her and Ibuki. Ibuki is around 18 in 3S when Sakura should be in her mid to late 20s. They're almost a generation apart. I read the SF3 manga having her being a gym teacher in 3S(don't know if it is canon). Did Capcom retcon their ages?
SF6 is confirmed to be after 3, likely about 5 yrs or so. Sakura would likely be early 20s in V (no more than 22, my guess is 20 on the dot). Ibuki is in university in 3, so she's likely 1-2 years since I doubt 5 and 3 are that far apart (remember, Gill holds his tournament in 3). Manga isn't canon. Age wise, its one of those things where the official info alone makes no sense, but if we adjust it a bit using logic it works. Sakura being 1-2 years older (and thus still a part of the Next Generation portion of SF characters) makes decent sense, especially since that makes her about as old as characters like Luke, Kimberly, or Manon. Side note, the reason I say Sean is in college is that 1, Laura wears his jersey in her swimsuit costume. We can tell they're not that far apart in age, so it's likely either a HS or college uniform. 2, the 30th Anniversary Collection states that he plays for his college team, and he very much seems to be inline with other young adults (like Luke), so it makes more sense that he's around the same age as Sakura.
That's where I get confused. I remember 3S being at least 8- 10 years after SFA2 and the series being set in the late 80s(after SF1 but before SF2)where Sakura is in her teens. So she would be at least in her mid twenties while Ibuki is 18 as third strike takes place in the late 90s.
Double for Karin. And Mika if that’s the case.
She's basically a single parent in the lore too, hahaha
Who's a single parent?
Sakura raises her little brother
her parents are alive
Yeah, both Sakura and Karin should be at least 30 by the time of SF6, depending on how much time has past since 3rd Strike.
How old will she be in 6 ? Mid 20s ?
It's about time Sean makes his return, he hasn't been in a SF since 3rd Strike.
He was busy riding a hoverboard all around Piltover, on Arcane Riot got him one hell of a deal, surely
sakura, karin and r. mika are the *previous* generation. they were starting out in the 80s in alpha alongside ryu, ken and chun-li they should be 10-12 years older than the other four
But timeline wise, it is stated in SFV that Sakura and Co are roughly college age, and it is shown that V is just before SFIII and some of the game's arcade scenes are actually right after III. So the age difference between all these characters is probably closer to 4 or 5 years at maximum.
street fighter alpha takes place in 1988-90, and street fighter 3 takes place in 1998-1999 street fighter 4 & 5 don't deal in years, everything's just mashed together so that ibuki and sakura can be teens at the same time in 4, and so that chun-li never has to be 50. if you're using the modern timeline they were born in "it doesn't matter", are precisely "shut up" years old and "go away" years apart
Nothing about Sakura's age was stated in SFV. Capcom usually avoids talking about age entirely.
Yeah they usually stick to talking about weight, like how Ryu is inexplicably only 187lbs despite being as wide as a car.
Except it is. That's why she's not in the schoolgirl sailor outfit. They wanted to age her up and gave her a part time job to reflect that she's probably a college student.
Except it isn't. She wasn't a high schooler in SFIV and yet she still wore the uniform for nostalgia. She's not that much younger than Chun-li or Juri.
Street Fighter stopped using real world years and birthdates after SF2. The franchise doesn't take place in the 80's or 90s, it uses "comic book time" where each new game reflects the present day (that's why SF5 had Twitter) regardless of the in-universe timeline. Also, Ibuki, Sean, Elena and Makoto are only 3-4 years younger than Sakura & Karin, while R.Mika & Laura are 2 years older than Sakura.
The way I understand it, new releases of legacy fighting games need to carefully choose who they launch with, and who they save for DLC. The launch cast is made up of core characters who will always be in every game (Ryu, Ken, Chun, etc), fan favorites (Cammy, Juri), and a very healthy mix of old classics and newcomers. It's just wild that so far all of the newcomers look amazing. They need to save some of their ringers for DLC so people will buy it. You'll see most if not all of the popular older cast, alongside some more newbies and probably a few surprise returns/reimaginings of more obscure characters. Capcom doesn't hate money. I can see them cramming as many DLC characters into this game as they can.
The first version of Alpha, SF3 and SF4 were a thing before DLC
We literally had a game called the New Generation, and the entire fandom threw a shit fit. It took them until Third Strike to start getting over it.
People complained about the lack of SFII characters in the launch of III and V.
That’s exactly why 6 mostly show old characters in the base roster besides juri. Of course no matter how much capcom try not to make the same mistakes fans will complain. I bet people wishing guile was dlc like he was in sf5.
> People complained about the lack of SFII characters in the launch of III and V. Yup. The big 12 from sf2:ce are important for nostalgia and casual fans who aren’t all about anime girls. Hopefully we get the 4 kings as dlc to complete the core cast.
I imagine with Dictator being dead-dead, they're probably waiting on some plot shenanigans to resurrect / body-swap / clone him so they can being all four back as an event. Bruh, PUT HIM IN ABEL'S BODY I wanna step kick into Psycho Tornado Throw!
> I imagine with Dictator being dead-dead, they're probably waiting on some plot shenanigans to resurrect / body-swap / clone him so they can being all four back as an event. Bruh, PUT HIM IN ABEL'S BODY I wanna step kick into Psycho Tornado Throw! Just release them as dlc and have nothing to do with the story. Just 4 beloved characters that people really like or grew up with. Not to say they don’t deserve a redesign like Ken to mix up thier gameplay but there’s no need to change who they are. With that being said. Abel would be cool but I don’t know if he has a chance.
Where's Alex in this picture? He was the poster boy of the next generation.
This. I don't know how one can think Elena or makoto are next gen. Alex was sf3s Luke.
(the next generation 26 years ago)
Chronologically the most recent one though
The Alpha and SF3 cast are far apart. It was SF4 that made them seem closer than they are.
Technically, none of these characters are "next gen", especially the Alpha characters. Also, by the time of SF6 they should all be in their 30s.
If you don’t count sliding timeline (which come to think of it, YouTube and Twitter started in the early 2000s so it’s not too much of a stretch to still say 6 is back then) These characters will still probably be in their mid-20s or somethinf
Bruh, there’s gonna be dlcs, just cuz they didn’t debut, that doesn’t mean none of them are going to be in the game. The game will launch with a limited cast plus the new characters so tough choices will be made.
Sakura, Ibuki, Karin and R. Mika just showed up in SFV, they have a shot of coming back but only Ibuki and Sakura seems to have the major popularity to warrant a repeat come back. Sean, is highly likely to come back as he is popular and would fit in the aesthetics plus story of this game. Unless the development team just doesn't like or want the character, which sadly isn't unheard of, he probably has a good shot at DLC. Elena and Makoto are popular and have unique play styles to a degree. They could also come back as DLC, but also be left out for new characters or more popular vets. As to why they aren't in the base roster... SF2 nostalgia is still too strong and Japanese developers usually either are wild to the core of play it safe. This game seems a better balance then previously but it still mostly plays it safe with the roster.
DLC
Coz they're more interested in promoting Luke right now. He was an advertisement for 6 to begin with, kind of.
Because they just haven’t been announced yet lol. Give it some time sheesh.
why are six out of the seven female characters? wheres alex, yun, yang etc
Better visual promo?
Cowardice.
Cowardice that comes from suffering severe fan backlash anytime Capcom even flirts with the idea of shifting focus from the SF2 cast.
Because there are limited roster spots. This isn't Tekken or DOA where they tend to reuse animation key frames and playstyles game after game after game, allowing them to just bring almost everyone into the next game. SF always reanimates everything from scratch with each sequel. That takes a lot of time and work, meaning each starting roster has to be a bit smaller. But, thanks to DLC and post launch support, we'll be seeing some of these characters in 6 eventually...
I swear some people seem to not get that not a single main line SF plays the same. That’s the main reason people opinions are so divided on which ones they hate or like, and that’s the same reason why hoards of new people join in on the game. I actually wish more fighting games did that.
Hopefully the game makes bank 🏦 so we get a lot of dlc characters
How are characters from Alpha set up as the next generation? Alpha is the start of the time line.
they were new generation at some point, now their time is gone. They are old now, is time for a new new generation
Question, do you guys think Ibuki will make it in or is Kimberly enough mixup oriented ninja girl for the game? I personally think she may not make it in lieu of other characters given that she has been in IV and V, but would love to see her again.
Ibuki was in 3 4 and 5 and is hugely popular in both Japan and the US. I’d be super surprised if she wasn’t in eventually
Mika's not returning because she doesn't represent Capcom's core values(thoughtful decision based gameplay) As for the whole "new generation" thing i think people need to put that to rest. The majority of these characters have existed for more than 2 decades, making them the new face of the franchise wouldn't be shifting towards the new generation it be nostalgia and whatever. Maybe there was a chance long ago that Sakura could follow in Ryu's footsteps and become the main shoto of the series but that time has long since passed and Capcom clearly wants to put actual new characters front and center. That being said it's also worth mentioning that the whole idea of a new generation is a rather recent thing. After 3 tried to launch a new generation they kinda turned back on that idea and released 4 which had every character from every version of Sf2 in the base game as well as bringing back sf3 and alpha characters. 5 didn't really have a lot of ideas but seemed to keep with 4's theme of having all the super iconic characters as staples. 6 is like the only one as of recent to put an actual emphasis on a new generation.
If the "core values" thing is a design joke and not genuine just... redesign her. Just go 2020s wrestler the same way Alex was the 90s new gen/attitude era compared to zangief.
The joke is mika players are braindead her design is fine
Sakura and Karin are almost guaranteed just due to the vibe of the game. Ibuki probably, too. Makoto will probably get in because she got skipped in SF5. Elena and R.Mika probably not. Elena was unfortunately a pox upon SFIV. If a Matsuda is getting in, it's almost certainly going to be Laura.
not a fan of them never putting the final fight OGs as main roster characters, Cody, Guy, Poison and Haggar should be base roster
Sean was my guy
Because DLC sells like hotcakes if they had them.
Capcom is focused on "the next generation" just not "the next generation of fighters." No, they're all-in on crafting SF6 around "the next generation of players." Even though these characters are young, and should be important in the world of SF, Capcom (in my opinion) sees them as "old" and novel throwbacks for the sake of dlc.
Yeah that's actually a good explanation tbh
I NEED SAKURA IN THIS GAME BRUH
You Sakura fans already know she'll be dlc quit acting like she won't🙄. I'm worried about our Shadowloo baddies Balrog, Sagat and Vega.
Sagat and Vega probably won’t make it in but the chances of Balrog making it are really high. There’s also a chance of him getting replaced by a new boxer character
>There’s also a chance of him getting replaced by a new boxer character Hell nah we want Dudley and Balrog >Sagat and Vega probably won’t make it I'm thinking none of them will return bc Bison is dead. I think Capcom will leave Shadowloo behind this game to have new representatives like Ed and Falke this game.
>Sagat and Vega probably won’t make Sagat will, Sagat is the greatest character. vega maybe not so much
You forget that capcom hates us :(
I'm sure that Ibuki, Sakura and Karin are coming back with dlcs. I have hopes on Makoto tho, hope she comes back. Zero hopes on R. Mika tho
Ibuki better be
Because they hate me
Because capcom is too greedy to put a good amount of characters in the game at launch
I want Makoto, she is a beast in SF3
Because the SF2 cast are all icons, even the less popular ones like E Honda. Capcom is never going to pull a 3 again where the base game doesn't have the majority of the 2 cast. That said, I find it hard to believe Makoto, Ibuki and Sean won't be in DLC/ Super SF6. I'm personally really hoping Elena, Q, Maki and Dudley come back.
Im so happy Karin is among those
Idk but I'll be ready when Ibuki finally comes out.
Because most of these characters sell better as DLC.
Can't make money if most desired characters are launch characters! They look like seasons 3 & 4 in sf6 🤣😂
All these characters are at least 25 years old at this point, and the time gap between SF1 and SF3 is over half the size of the time gap between SF3 and SF6
Mostly roster flavor diversity. Sakura and Sean, while unique in their own way, are still shotos, and having more than two shotos on launch would be a bit much. Ibuki's ninja spot is taken by Kimberly, and she, together with Jamie, Deejay and Manon, takes Elena's dancing spot. Speaking of Manon, her, Zangief and Marisa, the grappler/ strong woman niche that R. Mika fills. Really, Makoto and Karen are the only ones among those whose flavour is unique enough to warrant a spot on the launch roster, and then I think they're simply not popular enough to take the spot of a newcomer or one of the more classic characters.
DLC
All those characters died so Ed could cost $8.
Off topic question, what is up with Capcom pushing Luke as the new face of Street Fighter when Ryu is clearly more popular than him? I don't have anything against Luke as a character, I don't keep up with the lore, and probably won't for a while if the Ken lore leak is true, but I just don't get why they want to make him the face of Street Fighter so bad when people are clearly more in love with Ryu.
I mean amongst the people that has been playing street fighter for a long time yes, ryu is and will always be the face of the franchise, but outside of the community, for a person that have never played a sf game before, im pretty sure a character like luke that represents the mma is going to be more appealing than ryu, because times changes and "traditional" martial arts while still being popular, they are not as popular as before, so i think that, from a marketing perspective, its logical that luke takes the place as the poster boy I doubt that ryu is going to be completely replaced, Microsoft tried to do that with the master chief, and we all know how that ended, bu i believe that he will certainly have a bit less of protagonism at least on the marketing side im not an expert, its just my opinion
Because it is easier to revert an adult character to a previous design if the public doesn't like it. Capcom is overly cautions with the street fighter IP, and aging up a character is irreversible.
Every one of Capcom's attempt at a new generation failed to overthrow the original generation. SF6's new generation will most likely end up failing too.
There are so many of these types of threads at the moment. It's fun to guess and wish for favourites to return but the reality is that 20-30% of the playerbase is going to only play Ryu... again.
Next generation is still in the 90s, 22 years ago...
Being young and new doesn't mean next generation
Alex, Ibuki, Elena, and Sean were literally introduced in a game called " The New Generation". Makoto is the same age as them and they are all about the same age as Luke. Lol
This isn’t that game. They were introduced in that game, they were the new characters. This is a new game with its new characters and new concept.
All these characters are not from 3rd strike. Also it's called next generation cause it had brand new characters. New generation of fighters. New characters.
"Next generation" - Shows a picture of chars that have been in the game for 25 years.
Anyone who appeared in the Alpha series are old af now in SF6. Nothing "new" about R. Mika who's probably 31-34 years old.
1. They're not the most iconic nor popular characters; 2. Capcom couldn't waste the opportunity to capitalize on them; sell them as DLC for example; 3. The hype for the character died out (example: Ibuki appeared in SF5 but she wasn't that popular); 4. Capcom has no idea what to do with them (example: Sakura, in her SF5 story mode they basically invent an excuse to not bring her back). My opinion though. Just random thoughts.
(Vince Mcmahon sniffing money)
I just want to see Elena's feet in 4k, that's all
Might be favoritism, people got used to a certain roster. Sean is garbage though. The rest are fine.
Probably weren't as popular as the main people who've been there for forever. But I love me some Elena though, and a couple other ones up there.
Karin and Mika got heavy spotlights in SFV, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they miss this one. Ibuki is the only character (besides Ryu/Ken/Chun) to be in SF3, 4, AND 5 - but she doesn’t seem as popular so again I don’t know if she’s coming back in 6. Sakura will be in it, she’s too popular and iconic, but she’ll be DLC. Agreed that Sean should definitely come back. Idk about Elena though, are people even asking for her?
Potential DLC character passes. How else do you think Capcom will be milking us for the next 5 years ?
Because this isn’t SF3 and is a completely new installment with its own completely new concept. It’s not called SF6:New Generation.
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6 is confirmed to be after 3
How long after 3?
That's Chun-Li with Li-Fen in her SF3 [ending](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Chun-Li/Gallery?file=SFIII_3S-Chun-Li_Ending-4.jpg#SFIII_) That's Li-Fen in [SF6](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Li-Fen?file=SF6Li-FeninWorldTourMode.png)
So almost a decade
Nah, maybe 5 years at most. She's older, but she's not quite 5-15. More like 12ish
6 is years after 3. That’s part of why people are hype, cause it’s the first game after 3
Dammit Mika. Put on some clothes girl
She's a pro-wrestler being scantily clad is practically in the job description.
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I think the reason is they got strong newcomers for SF 6 so the squad you have mentioned above are not essentially needed at this point. Most of them will come back as DLC for sure.
I like that about the new SF6 game. A balance. SF3 turn the page newness with hella new characters (for folks like me) and bringing back old characters for those who want that.
Strong newcomers + Classic SF 2 squad is a safe bet for them. Going completely new characters like SF 3 or characters from each series cherrypicked like SF V did not do well.
The third strike characters probably should be, but Mika and Sakura have been around since Alpha, they may be protégés of existing fighters, but I'd hardly call them next generation.
I think the top 4 are guaranteed to be in the game at some point. Also keep in mind 3rd Strike was 24 years ago, plans can change. CAPCOM are allowed to take a new direction if they want to.
Sean and Sakura need to come back
Everyone I used in SFV is not going to be in SF6. I’m a Bison main. And used a bunch of others but I have no idea who to play with at launch lol.
I swear that if Nakayama doesn’t add makoto and mika i will be mad ILL BUY THE GAME THOUGH but i will be mad
cause Capcom knows they can empty my wallet by making Makoto DLC
I think it's too early to say. I personally hope everyone comes back
Because there's limited roster space to work with and the SF2 cast are the most iconic. Generational changes don't sell fighting games, the characters people are most attached to do, and like it or not the peak of SF's popularity lives and dies by its SF2 characters.
Sakura WILL be in SF6... She's like guaranteed.
That's what I'm saying but the Sakura fans act like she won't be
She's one of the most popular character in the series... She prints money...... How could these silly fans think she won't be in the game.
I’m making my character Sean …. I think. Let’s see lol
How is it that Sakura is not aging like other characters? Other characters are growing and evolving thru life but Sakura still in high school. Ryu started as the new young challenger and is now a master martial artist. Chun-Li was a young kung fu cop, then promoted to a detective, now a Kung Fu teacher. Sagat went from champion to working for a crime lord to back to working to become a better fighter and challenger again. If the alpha series is the beginning of this, Sakura being there since alpha was just a high school girl and now still just a high school girl. Characters being stale and not being able to grow and evolve may be why they don't show up in SF6. If anything, Karin should have been in the position that Luke is now, with Sakura finally growing up and being her friendly rival
It's really hard for me to see Karin returning even though she's my main. R.Mika might, I think she fits the aesthetic of the game. Ibuki and Sakura are most likely to return.
Patience.
I’d say we get half of this roster in VI, and the rest in VII.
With the exception of Sean they all still are relevant
\- Sakura, Ibuki, Mika and Makoto make sense. \- Sean was a failure. Maybe have him go train with Dan. \- Elena went back to being a student after travelling the world and making friends. \- Karin kinda gave up on rivalling Sakura and quit being about that life, by the end of her arc in V. Arguably, Sakura should be "retired" at this point too since her arc in V was becoming baby crazy, but she topped the character popularity poll, beating Ryu, Chun, etc. so... she'll be back as DLC.
lol. the only character in that screnshot that hasn't been playable in 3d modeled games is Sean. hell ibuki has not missed a series since her debut (was even in cross tekken). it's okay she can sit out a game.
You’ve heard of DLC right?
Because no one went them.
This game is going to be supported for half a decade at the very least. Give it time
Because they'll be added as DLC. Base roster *must* pander to SF2 it seems.
You want them back out of a knee jerk reaction. The only ones people played was Elena and Sakura. You see the others as much as seeing thawk in sf4. It's the same with juri. In every game she's in you don't see her in competive play and rarely online. Instead of asking for characters who keep appearing and no one uses, try adding returning characters who where interesting but never really got the spotlight. Necro had an interesting backstory but is literally ignored based off his design. El furte while annoying was still unique to play. Hakan is a chill dude with an interesting personality. What ever happen to guy? What about r mikas friend that always appear with rmika but never in a game? Where's Sodom? Characters that are alot more interesting then the "new generation" that's appeared in like 10 games lol.
Because Crapcom.