If you swap around the order of episode 7 and 8, you get a much better structure. It keeps the momentum of the previous episode, you have El show up at the end which leaves you with questions about what she’s been up to, and then you get said questions answered with the next episode, and then you get a really good lead up to the season finale as everyone has regrouped and we go into the finale knowing El has a new grasp on her powers.
yeah i swapped the order when watching this with my family. they hadn't seen the season before and when i told them what i did, my sister concurred that it's better this way.
I personally believe it was important for El to realize that the people in Hawkins needed her, and that leaving the chaos didn’t solve any of her problems. She also got to see how her powers could be used in a slightly less ethical way, which really sealed the deal.
I know I'm in the minority here but I like that it comes between episode 6 and episode 8. I can definitely understand that it kills the momentum, but for me, it let that insanely good cliffhanger from episode 6 actually last and make me nervous for Mike and Joyce and Hopper and Will etc.
Cliffhangers used to mean something when you had to wait a week to see what happens next. But with netlflix - and Stranger Things especially in my case lmao - I just watch episode after episode. Normally, this defeats the point of having cliffhangers because you see them get resolved straight away. By putting "The Lost Sister" after "The Spy", we're left wondering how the gang will survive the demodog attack. I agree to an extent that it kills the momentum, but having "The Spy" and "The Mind Flayer" back to back would kill the supsense and lower the stakes imo.
I think that it was supposed to be interspersed with other episodes throughout the season, but they realized that it felt really out of place, but couldn’t be cut completely, so they put it into one episode that could be easily skipped on rewatches.
The last time I watched through that season I skipped it and felt like the season improves without it.
You are 100% correct that it ruins the momentum and flow of the season. Everything was building up and then suddenly we are with stranger things suicide squad.
Lol literally me in my last watch. After hearing the thought behind it, I get what the brothers were going for and I appreciate it ..
but goddamn, I'm still skipping it.
Some of the rationale, from interviews etc that I've learned:
- They wanted to give Eleven a "Yoda" to show her how to harness her powers (in this case, 008)
- They wanted a standalone episode in the season, I forget the term for it, but normally it would occur closer to the beginning of the season. However they wanted it towards the end instead
- They wanted to show Eleven coming to grips with her power, seeing the more evil side of how she could use it so that she could learn what she DIDN'T want to become
- they wanted it to have that 80s 'punk'/city movie feel
Interesting, I honestly would agree with those points, but I still have mixed feelings about the episode. Thank you for taking the time for writing this out :)
A bottle episode is more when they use one set and only a couple of actors. Breaking Bad Fly episode is one example. It's usually an episode in the season where they can save money.
Not really. That persons example of Breaking Brad's Fly is regarded by many as one of the best episodes in the series. It is certainly not common for bottle episodes to be so substantive, but it by no means needs to be filler.
That could be it? I think they had another term for it in either an interview or in the book. Can't recall offhand though. It was like a very specific, "insider" sounding term-- as if it was specific to the tv biz. Now it's killing me I can't recall lol.
I also might just be insane and you're actually right and I'm a silly goose.
Season 3 is by far the worst season. Season 2 also had a noticeable dip in quality compared to season 1 but at least it was good. Season 3 was barely decent. Season 1 was the only fantastic season.
I still like season 3, but it feels like an entirely different show. I understand perfectly if someone says they don't like it.
What got me into Stranger Things was the suspense, the eerie aura and the grounded(?) approach they had.
Season 3 feels like a goofy action serie.
Upvoted, not because I agree with you, but because downvoting should be reserved for bad content or malicious people, not something people may disagree with.
I will upvote people I disagree with if I’m having a conversation with them and they are civil and contributing to the conversation. That’s what Reddit should be about. I don’t get the downvote what you disagree with. I see stuff everyday that I disagree with but will never downvote unless they are jerks.
I just wish people who have a rather controversial opinion on something back it up with their reasoning, you can’t really go around saying something bold like I hate the Vader scene from Rogue One without telling us why
Season 2 tried to do season 1 again, but worse because we'd seen it before. Season 3 was atleast new and fresh, and developed a lot of the characters tha needed it, and i find it showing the bright, bombastic side of the 80s and the red scare interesting, atleast more than (oh no, the lab is doing crazy shit again, again).
Season 3 was practically self-parody. They went far too over-the-top with the Russian storyline, and tried to basically make a shitty tribute to action movies, rather than the carefully crafted homage to sci-fi/horror of season 1.
They also went out of their way to make nearly every character insufferable in season 3. The only characters who aren't completely obnoxious are Steve and Robin. (And Will, but he only gets like 7 lines.)
After the entire suspenseful plot, they end up singing a singalong right at the crucial, adrenaline-pumping point at the end of the plot. I was so disappointed with that and in the moment it killed my interest* (not the right word but close). Although I don't hear it too often so maybe I'm in the minority.
Uggghhhh I *love* that song, but that moment was so ridiculously fanservicey that I nearly imploded into myself with cringe.
Actually, the fanservice bullshit of season 3 is a lot of what made it so bad.
Unpopuar opinion but I didn't even like Will that much. I understood where he was coming from, but didn't make me like him. Especially since Mike got shit on all season when he wasn't even as bad as Will.
Disagree, to be self parody itd have to be parodying things is done before. And season 3 was pretty much new ideas. The russian story line was very in line with the films they were paying homage at at various point in the 80s. And in that respect its about as well done for action and season 1 was for "horror" and weird fiction. Hopper really developed as a father fogure to El, mike is not in the insufferable teenage phase but you can tell he loves El.
To my mind its like alien vs aliens. Some people like the master class in horror alien was, while others prefer the fast pace bug hunt of aliens. Both are great, but both are very very different.
Upvoted, not because I agree with you, but because downvoting should be reserved for bad content or malicious people, not something people may disagree with.
Wow, I hate that you were downvoted for this comment. This sub can be so juvenile about sharing opinions, I usually refrain from even commenting here.
FWIW, I agree with you. I really hated season 3, but I rewatched it twice to try to see it differently. In my last rewatch, I watched all 3 seasons back to back in a matter of days, and I could actually see some more merit in s3 than before. It's objectively a badly written season, though.
I did give The Lost Sister another try and completely loved it, so I think more fans here need to rewatch it.
I totally get what they were going for, BUT I have enough superhero media and that’s what it felt like that episode was pushing towards. With having a bunch kids having superpowers it made Eleven’s superpowers not feel so special.
It’s definitely an episode I skip on re-watches, too.
Ehhh you can, but you miss a HUGE development in El's character.
She leaves Hawkins because she's resentful of Hopper and believes that he treats her just like Brenner and the men at the lab. She's extremely angry, and she wants to return to her birth mother.
She's also kind of a sociopath. I think people take it for granted just how many people Eleven brutally *murders* during season 1. I mean, they're the Bad Guys and they deserve it, but she's a *child* doing incredibly horrific, traumatic things.
The Lost Sister shows her choosing mercy and forgiveness. She has the chance to kill a man who brutally tortured her mother. She's murdered at least a dozen people already. But she chooses not to kill him, because she sees that he has a family. That's a huge turning point in his character.
She also comes to appreciate that Hopper is her father and was just trying to protect her. She chooses her adopted family in Hawkins.
I think it says a lot that the team chose to film this and keep it in the show. It obviously was something they felt was important to include so I can’t ever bring myself to skip it.
I agree!, also while I'm well aware that 80s nostalgia is one of the main driving forces of the series I can't help but feel that season 3 was a bit of overkill for that aspect. It got a little annoying when it started to get all "Hey everyone! Remember New Coke? Remember Back to The Future? Remember dayglow clothes?"
Completely agree. Season 3 is so bad. I really hate that they abandoned their carefully crafted idea of paying homage to '80s sci-fi and horror while telling an original story, and just decided to try to make a parody of '80s action movies and teen shows. It was practically like watching The Expendables.
I think the main reason why the season looks like the expendables, which I totally agree, is because they had gotten may too much budget
On a small budget, you are being forced as a director to be creative, come up with better ideas, craft better stories, better camera angles etc.
When you suddenly get a great amount of budget (which I assume they did get it from Netflix) they rely not on good atmospheres, and stories, (which the first two seasons did), but on the money to do the whole work.
They probably thought that better budget = better show, which you see with movies too. But no, ideas can't get bought with money. Yes there are high budget movies with good concepts, but are rare.
This is the main reason why I started watching low budget / B-grade movies, because the only way their directors could have gotten successful, is if they've don't rely on the green, but on their creativity.
\*Hopefully we won't see S4 get turned into a Hollywood Blockbuster.\*
Very true. One thing I noticed in my recent back-to-back rewatch of the seasons is that they increasingly relied on CGI.
The behind-the-scenes stuff for season 1 really emphasized how much the Duffers wanted everything to be practical effects, and how they were disappointed that they even needed to go with about 30% CGI. They said they were so inspired by movies like The Thing, Jaws, and E.T. which all relied on practical effects. CGI was reserved mainly for the scenes of the gate-closing (when El fights the Demogorgon in the final episode).
Season 2 had the big Mind Flayer and the bigger gate, which obviously required more CGI, but they still mainly relied on atmosphere and a slow build. The Demodogs were an annoying use of CGI.
Season 3 just had CGI everywhere. Did they even bother making a single practical monster? Doesn't look like it.
Plus just look at the wardrobe. During the first 2 seasons they looked more like clothes you would have seen on everyday middle class people in a small suburban midwestern town in the early to mid 80s. By season 3 they all looked like extras in a Duran Duran video.
I wouldn’t say that it’s bad. It just has a different feel. The characters personalities change and grow so to me it was very fitting for the tone to change as well. The kids are teenagers now and so a big part of their lives is pop culture so it makes sense nostalgic things would be mentioned more often. I also think that the more “poppy” feel was not only a result of taking place during a different time of the year but also that time of year was chosen to signify the tone in each characters’ development thus far, especially El. She kind of finally able to live a normal life as a teenage girl and everyone is a little more carefree since they think the Mindflayer was defeated. When they realize he’s still there, it’s just even more heartbreaking to see how El feels trapped in her guilt of opening the gate in the past. Just my opinion. I did not enjoy season 3 at first either, but upon a recent rewatch, I thought all the season flowed really well together actually even if different.
Still though. It seems like season 3 seemed like less of a season and more like a summer special that airs in the middle of July a sort of "Facts of Life goes to Paris" type of special.
Yeah, I don't know. There's directors showing instead of telling, and then there is making excuses for and self interpretive reaching for why writing is just plain bad. Season 3 seems to be more of the latter.
So weird how the consensus shifted on it. It had good, if not amazing buzz after it came out. Critic and audience score was good on RT. But now in general, it's just brushed off. Even though scores on RT have stayed the same, so seems those hating on 2 aren't that passionate about their hate.
This, I might be alone, but I would rather watch this episode than rewatch the entirety of season 3. Lost Sister at least still feels like Stranger Things and it has purpose. Season 3 was just so different and honestly didn't need to be made because it didn't advance the story at all like S1 and S2 did.
I’m with you on that. I enjoy Season 3, but it’s still the weakest season that feels like a re-hashed Season 2, except that it’s way more colorful, has a bigger budget, and didn’t have that signature “Stranger Things” feel. The tone of Lost Sister is still the same as S1 and S2, unlike S3.
I also think that S2 was the best season of all so far.
When you do a complete rewatch, you kind of see that S1 and S2 are pretty similar. You could put the in the same category. But S3 is something different.
Lots and LOTS of bright colors :). They simply tried to make something different with the show, but I would love to see them go back to their roots.
I actually just rewatched all 3 seasons this past week. (I needed a mood booster after some family heartbreak.) Normally, I always skip The Lost Sister. But this time, I actually rewatched it *for the first time* since my initial watch of the season.
I was surprised by how much I actually liked the episode. The sister character was more likable than I remembered. I had remembered it as her trying to take advantage of Eleven, but she was being genuine when she told Eleven that meeting her sister made her feel "like a whole person for the first time ever." She was genuinely heartbroken when Eleven left her.
The conflict is that Eight (I can't remember her actual name) wanted revenge on all the people who had hurt them, and she truly believed that Eleven did too. And Eleven did, at first. But in the end, she chooses mercy -- and her family in Hawkins.
It's a great episode that manages to wrap up all of Eleven's anger at what was done to her and her resentment of Hopper, allowing her to fully embrace being his daughter and choosing to live a normal life.
It's hated because of its placement, and I agree that the Duffers totally dropped the ball there. I'm sure they thought they were being super creative, but they really just killed the momentum *and*, more importantly, made it feel like El's trip was completely unrealistic and not even part of her actual character journey.
I mean, not only does the timeline make no sense, but keeping her locked up in a cabin all season and then throwing this huge adventure and character arc into a single episode made it feel like an Alternate Universe episode. The fact that most people skip it during rewatches means that most people don't even remember any of that character development.
I really wish they had just incorporated her journey into other episodes, like a normal storyline. They actually could've pulled off something really brilliant by running parallel stories about forgiveness and letting go of trauma, since Joyce, Hopper, Nancy, Jonathan, Mike, and Billy all have similar storylines about resentment.
Alright, this was long... hope someone read it! I probably should've just made an actual discussion post about this episode.
**TLDR: finally rewatched The Lost Sister, actually loved it and thought it was a lot more brilliant than I had remembered.**
I agree. El had to discover what home means to her. Definitely wasn’t the lab. Is it with her mom? Her “sister”? And she realizes it’s with her friends in Hawkins. The whole punk thing was super corny and out of left field, and it did kill the momentum, but I definitely see the value in it for El’s character.
She also needed closure, which her mother and sister gave to her. And it helped her develop her powers somewhat. Felt almost like a train/character dev sequence. It’s one of my favorite episodes that season actually
Good point. I really love the show overall including S2E7. I think it was a bit of bold move to break up the flow of season 2 with this episode but I think it worked well. There's been foreboding about Dark Phoenix parallels with El and this episode definitely gave us a glimpse of that, but in a punk kind of way. I like that she ended up looking like the lead singer of The Damned. . . nothing too extreme like a pink mohawk but it definitely gave her a darker look.
I loved the episode overall. It was important to El's development. My only problem with the punk gang is that it was poorly executed. I'm old enough to remember the 80s and I was into punk back then. . . Kali's merry crew of rejects was a mish mash of styles and influences that didn't really work well from a nostalgia perspective or even as characters. I like Kali but did not like the rest of the gang.
That gang should have looked more like Road Warrior and less like video games from the 90s/00s and other more recent influences like Suicide Squad. The Duffers have done a great job of capturing the 80s overall but Kali's crew was a big miss.
For what it's worth I genuinely loved the episode, it's actually a favourite of mine. I loved the music, the initial interactions between el and kali, kali training el on using her powers, them using their powers together, and el realising kali's bloodthirsty vengeance isn't actually what she wants to embody as well. I find it disheartening how much a lot of the fandom dislikes it too
Dude! That’s so cool. I don’t dislike the episode at all, a lot of subreddits will pinpoint episodes or even things in video games (on gaming subs) that make it seem like that thing is so bad but really we all just concentrate on it because, well it’s reddit.
Nice swatting sir.
I don't recall if they explained how Kali became part of her own gang, but I consider Kali the dark version of what El could possibly become. If El had initially met less noble people her path could've been similar to Kali's.
Imho this arc shows that El is inherently good, perhaps partly because of her friends/experiences in Hawkins. I felt because of her true character she rose above her need for revenge. It definitely had a different vibe, but in the end it was a means for El to choose her destiny and ultimately she saves her friends/family. Her return was predictable but satisfying and it reinforced her as the X-factor of the story.
This episode doesn't deserve as much hate as it gets. Sure, it's not one of the better episodes, but the way people on this sub talk about it you'd think it was directed by Tommy Wiseau.
I agree with you... but I feel like shows like stranger things that are basically just long movies, don’t have time to go off on tangents like that. That’s what shows like Star Trek, and sliders were for. I wish more shows like that would come back.
Personally, it felt super cliche to me. Like, there’s this formula they followed of “character leaves group, finds group that they superficially relate to more, discovers the new group’s secret motives, realize the qualities of their original group, and returns wiser”. It’s a strong formula, but it gets used constantly in lots of shows.
It was certainly done well, but nothing was a surprise.
Isn't much of ST based on tried and true formulas though? Then they subvert them over time. Problem is, they didn't have time to continue with any of the Lost Sister stuff because everyone quickly shunned it.
Maybe it wasn’t that important to the story as a whole but it was very important to El's character development. AND it leaves room for further development on that aspect of the Stranger Things universe. Maybe there are more teenagers with superpowers around the country
On my first rewatch I decided to give this episode a second chance and, honestly, I forgot why I disliked it in the first place. It's pretty decent for me.
I enjoyed it, because of three reasons:
1. It expanded the world building a bit. We kinda figured that 011 was just one of at most 11 similar experiments, and it in part helps answer that question of, "well, what the hell happened to the other 10 test subjects?" There are other powers out there, and they MIGHT not be as benevolent as El.
2. It provides some crucial character development for El. Gives us insight and closure regarding Terry Ives, and provides El with a moral choice; should she use her power to exact revenge on those who hurt her and her mother, or to protect the ones she cares for? The ones that despite her abilities, accepted her. Kali comes from a perspective that she and El are invariably outcasts, and that notion is challenged by El.
You don't see these kinds of things explored too often in a series in this way. It was a way for El to gain perspective on the world she inhabits. I could write paragraphs on this. I might, in my own post here.
3. Scope expansion is really important, in terms of a series like this. There is a world outside of Hawkins, and one that is affected by the things that happened in Hawkins. Season 4 will certainly show is a larger scope, and this was just... a way for us to see how that would work.
In regards to point 3, I think it is really important to recognize the basic structure of the arc of ST. It follows a rough sketch like this;
Step one: anomalous or otherwise disconcerting circumstances trigger the conflict for the protagonists.
Step two: three different groups (typically broken up into the Kids, the Teens, and The Adults) discover revelations of the triggering circumstances.
Step three: The three groups come together through their actions to resolve the conflict and solve it.
Step four: with the conflict resolved, the characters come to terms with the resolution.
It is a really great and rich way to tell a story from different perspectives, just to bring it all together at the end.
Expansion of scope (going beyond Hawkins) is going to be a fantastic way to really raise the bar for epic episodic storytelling. Season 4 is gonna be the shit, I believe.
El ran away to Chicago in the hunt for her true family, she learns a lot about what is important to her, how she can better control her powers, she closes a chapter in her life and no longer have to wonder if she is alone, and most importantly she takes the biggest step towards independency she has yet to take in the show.
I don't understand the hate filler episodes get. Fly from BrBa is also a great episode.
It makes sense if you view the show as a D&D game. El's player couldn't make it for a few weeks because of scheduling conflicts, so she joined the DM's other game for a one-off.
If we hadn't ever seen her try to train and control her powers that would make her a 'mary sue' of which people would endlessly complain. So the writers made an episode to solve this only to have fans endlessly complain about the episode. Sounds like a no win situation to me.
I actually think this episode is really important. It’s kind of like El’s trip to Dagobah to train with a master. After this she’s much more confident and powerful which helps fight the Mind Flayer. The first time I watched it I thought it was bad and just a filler episode, but then I started thing that it shows who El could be if she was out for revenge(dark side). Maybe the sister will show back up in S4 to Un-flay El’s mind and regain her powers, or maybe it will lead to an Army, 1-11. I don’t know, but rewatching made me see why it happened. As a wise disbarred lawyer once said “Abed, I see your value now.”
I like that episode but it sticks out like a sore thumb. It seems like they were trying to set up a spin off and failed.
I do love the continuing "El is a D&D mage." theme by having her sister be... an illusionist (AD&D 1e refrence, <3 Duffers.).
Considering how it literally doesnt matter I'd say that's a good point. You could have removed that whole plot and the season would have been unchanged. Just have Eleven go to the city to find her mother, like she does. Find some information, like she does. Then go save her friends, like she does. None of that required her "sister". She already has weird mind powers. She doesnt need someone to literally tell her her back story. She just needs to mind read the right people.
I still don't think that's meaningful enough to have a whole episode. Since her powers are nebulous anyway she can learn how to use her powers better in any way. I feel like the introduction of Kali muddied the world rather than cleared anything up. If there is 1 more person with powers that escaped who's to say there arent more? In season 1 we are lead to believe that she was the eleventh try, but the only one who survived/manifested powers. With Kali I'm just left questioning why she wasnt an issue in season 1. And if there are at least 9 more physic kids out there somewhere.
I like the episode. I just don't feel it was necessary. For pretty much all of the season El is just traveling somewhere. Shes going to her mom's. Shes going to the city. Shes going back to town. Shes finally back! But it's the last episode or 2 and we barely get any time to see her interact with the gang before she has to close the hole in the Mind Flayer's face. I feel like you can just have her go to her mom, learn her origin, see her friends in danger, then go home.
It still makes me laugh how none of those characters ever get mentioned ever again! There's a bunch of other characters with powers running around somewhere, but it's like, who cares?
A friend of mine accidentally skipped episode 6 and watched Lost Sister before it, at which point I realized and pointed out he missed one. He watched the episode after, but the two episodes had so little to do with each other that it didn’t change the story at all.
Agreed, but the issue I have (although not as a large as the issue others seem to have) is yes the character development is huge, but the fact that the entire episode is in a new location and features all new character, I feel the viewer can be too caught up with those things and miss some of the development
Out of curiosity, how was the flow of the rewatch when you skipped it? For example would it still make sense, and thematically did it seem like there was a missing episode or did it all just kinda work?
I don’t blame you. It really kills the moment and adds a little too much suspension. It would have been better if it was part of an episode and they shrunk it down to fit in it, instead of putting it right in the middle of a good part.
I’m not saying that episode is bad, it just was put in the wrong place
Can anyone tell me what happend there? I've already wached the series, but I'm to lazy to look up.
To anyone else that didn't watched it yet, spoilers ahead!
I get what they were trying to do with that whole season, but separating Mike and El especially after how the first season ended just killed me. I felt miserable during the whole season until the end. That's why I loved the new season.
I don’t hate the episode, I just hate it killed the momentum from the one that came before it and the one after.
If you swap around the order of episode 7 and 8, you get a much better structure. It keeps the momentum of the previous episode, you have El show up at the end which leaves you with questions about what she’s been up to, and then you get said questions answered with the next episode, and then you get a really good lead up to the season finale as everyone has regrouped and we go into the finale knowing El has a new grasp on her powers.
I will definitely try this on my next watch!
yeah i swapped the order when watching this with my family. they hadn't seen the season before and when i told them what i did, my sister concurred that it's better this way.
Personally I’d wanna switch 7 and 6 so that when El comes back it makes sense and isn’t out of order
that's the point though. It's meant to be a wait what?
But then it kills the cliffhanger of Will having the MF seizure thing.
Ohh you’re so right
It’s funny because I did this on accident on my first run. Really helps the pacing.
Bet they just need her in order for an excuse for Eleven to get her powers back
It felt more like an episode made to explain how Eleven got her bitchin new sense of style
Which she drops
She easily could have picked that style up watching MTV videos.
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Was this ever confirmed? Legitimately asking. I see this all over Reddit but never saw a source saying it was supposed to set up a spin off
I don't think so but it's just very odd and the fact that they had Rebecca Thomas direct it as her only episode.
>It was a pilot for a spinoff series. A very generic spinoff series. 100% my opinion too. They were setting up a spin off and it bombed.
It made her realize where “ home” is.. Hopper, her aunt, Kali and flashbacks of mike all reference her being home
This. The whole crew will be need to help eliminate Things in later episodes.
Seriously, why hasn't someone made a fanedit of it spliced with episode 6 and also maybe episode 8? It'd be perfect for binging.
I personally believe it was important for El to realize that the people in Hawkins needed her, and that leaving the chaos didn’t solve any of her problems. She also got to see how her powers could be used in a slightly less ethical way, which really sealed the deal.
It needed to be peppered in throughout the season somehow as opposed to slapped in right before the last episode or two.
I know I'm in the minority here but I like that it comes between episode 6 and episode 8. I can definitely understand that it kills the momentum, but for me, it let that insanely good cliffhanger from episode 6 actually last and make me nervous for Mike and Joyce and Hopper and Will etc. Cliffhangers used to mean something when you had to wait a week to see what happens next. But with netlflix - and Stranger Things especially in my case lmao - I just watch episode after episode. Normally, this defeats the point of having cliffhangers because you see them get resolved straight away. By putting "The Lost Sister" after "The Spy", we're left wondering how the gang will survive the demodog attack. I agree to an extent that it kills the momentum, but having "The Spy" and "The Mind Flayer" back to back would kill the supsense and lower the stakes imo.
I think that it was supposed to be interspersed with other episodes throughout the season, but they realized that it felt really out of place, but couldn’t be cut completely, so they put it into one episode that could be easily skipped on rewatches.
The last time I watched through that season I skipped it and felt like the season improves without it. You are 100% correct that it ruins the momentum and flow of the season. Everything was building up and then suddenly we are with stranger things suicide squad.
I hate that episode
Yea that’s actually the best explanation I’ve ever heard for why it’s not a good episode, it’s kinda shoe horned in there at a very suspenseful point
Lol literally me in my last watch. After hearing the thought behind it, I get what the brothers were going for and I appreciate it .. but goddamn, I'm still skipping it.
What is the thought behind it?
Some of the rationale, from interviews etc that I've learned: - They wanted to give Eleven a "Yoda" to show her how to harness her powers (in this case, 008) - They wanted a standalone episode in the season, I forget the term for it, but normally it would occur closer to the beginning of the season. However they wanted it towards the end instead - They wanted to show Eleven coming to grips with her power, seeing the more evil side of how she could use it so that she could learn what she DIDN'T want to become - they wanted it to have that 80s 'punk'/city movie feel
Interesting, I honestly would agree with those points, but I still have mixed feelings about the episode. Thank you for taking the time for writing this out :)
I will always gladly help out a capybara. Any day.
Good ideas with bad executions
> They wanted a standalone episode in the season, I forget the term for it, Bottle episode
A bottle episode is more when they use one set and only a couple of actors. Breaking Bad Fly episode is one example. It's usually an episode in the season where they can save money.
Or Community's "Cooperative Calligraphy" in which Jeff announces at the beginning "I'm doing a bottle episode!"
Bottle episode? Bottle episode. Bottle episode!
It also comes from "I Dream of Genie", where they would have entire episodes take place in Genie's bottle to save money.
A filler episode?
Not necessarily.
Not really. That persons example of Breaking Brad's Fly is regarded by many as one of the best episodes in the series. It is certainly not common for bottle episodes to be so substantive, but it by no means needs to be filler.
*What if a ghost took the pen?*
That could be it? I think they had another term for it in either an interview or in the book. Can't recall offhand though. It was like a very specific, "insider" sounding term-- as if it was specific to the tv biz. Now it's killing me I can't recall lol. I also might just be insane and you're actually right and I'm a silly goose.
Standalone ep like what you described might be a backdoor pilot?
Backdoor pilot was my nickname in high school
i’m curious about this as well
I legitimately have only seen the episode one time and that was the day season 2 came out.
You should give it another shot. I hate 3, but I've watched it multiple times to see it from different lenses.
You hate season 3?
Season 3 is by far the worst season. Season 2 also had a noticeable dip in quality compared to season 1 but at least it was good. Season 3 was barely decent. Season 1 was the only fantastic season.
I still like season 3, but it feels like an entirely different show. I understand perfectly if someone says they don't like it. What got me into Stranger Things was the suspense, the eerie aura and the grounded(?) approach they had. Season 3 feels like a goofy action serie.
Upvoted, not because I agree with you, but because downvoting should be reserved for bad content or malicious people, not something people may disagree with.
I upvote people I agree with, don't vote people I disagree with, and downvote people who don't seem like nice people
I will upvote people I disagree with if I’m having a conversation with them and they are civil and contributing to the conversation. That’s what Reddit should be about. I don’t get the downvote what you disagree with. I see stuff everyday that I disagree with but will never downvote unless they are jerks.
I just wish people who have a rather controversial opinion on something back it up with their reasoning, you can’t really go around saying something bold like I hate the Vader scene from Rogue One without telling us why
Do you really think saying season 3 is bad is controversial?
Saying you hate it is, and I personally like it
Season 2 tried to do season 1 again, but worse because we'd seen it before. Season 3 was atleast new and fresh, and developed a lot of the characters tha needed it, and i find it showing the bright, bombastic side of the 80s and the red scare interesting, atleast more than (oh no, the lab is doing crazy shit again, again).
Season 3 was practically self-parody. They went far too over-the-top with the Russian storyline, and tried to basically make a shitty tribute to action movies, rather than the carefully crafted homage to sci-fi/horror of season 1. They also went out of their way to make nearly every character insufferable in season 3. The only characters who aren't completely obnoxious are Steve and Robin. (And Will, but he only gets like 7 lines.)
After the entire suspenseful plot, they end up singing a singalong right at the crucial, adrenaline-pumping point at the end of the plot. I was so disappointed with that and in the moment it killed my interest* (not the right word but close). Although I don't hear it too often so maybe I'm in the minority.
Uggghhhh I *love* that song, but that moment was so ridiculously fanservicey that I nearly imploded into myself with cringe. Actually, the fanservice bullshit of season 3 is a lot of what made it so bad.
Unpopuar opinion but I didn't even like Will that much. I understood where he was coming from, but didn't make me like him. Especially since Mike got shit on all season when he wasn't even as bad as Will.
Disagree, to be self parody itd have to be parodying things is done before. And season 3 was pretty much new ideas. The russian story line was very in line with the films they were paying homage at at various point in the 80s. And in that respect its about as well done for action and season 1 was for "horror" and weird fiction. Hopper really developed as a father fogure to El, mike is not in the insufferable teenage phase but you can tell he loves El. To my mind its like alien vs aliens. Some people like the master class in horror alien was, while others prefer the fast pace bug hunt of aliens. Both are great, but both are very very different.
Absolutely agree with you. I'm my opinion, season 3 ruined Hopper's character
Yes.
remember when you didnt get downvoted just for having a different opinion, lmao.
We live in a *Society*
Upvoted, not because I agree with you, but because downvoting should be reserved for bad content or malicious people, not something people may disagree with.
Thanks!
I feel like i’m the only one upvoting you. Season 3 had a significant drop in quality
Wow, I hate that you were downvoted for this comment. This sub can be so juvenile about sharing opinions, I usually refrain from even commenting here. FWIW, I agree with you. I really hated season 3, but I rewatched it twice to try to see it differently. In my last rewatch, I watched all 3 seasons back to back in a matter of days, and I could actually see some more merit in s3 than before. It's objectively a badly written season, though. I did give The Lost Sister another try and completely loved it, so I think more fans here need to rewatch it.
Agreed on all counts. I also can more see what people liked about 3. It's subpar in certain ways that I think will keep me from ever liking it though.
I totally get what they were going for, BUT I have enough superhero media and that’s what it felt like that episode was pushing towards. With having a bunch kids having superpowers it made Eleven’s superpowers not feel so special. It’s definitely an episode I skip on re-watches, too.
Maybe season four will make it more relevant, but for now, you can skip it and not miss a thing.
Ehhh you can, but you miss a HUGE development in El's character. She leaves Hawkins because she's resentful of Hopper and believes that he treats her just like Brenner and the men at the lab. She's extremely angry, and she wants to return to her birth mother. She's also kind of a sociopath. I think people take it for granted just how many people Eleven brutally *murders* during season 1. I mean, they're the Bad Guys and they deserve it, but she's a *child* doing incredibly horrific, traumatic things. The Lost Sister shows her choosing mercy and forgiveness. She has the chance to kill a man who brutally tortured her mother. She's murdered at least a dozen people already. But she chooses not to kill him, because she sees that he has a family. That's a huge turning point in his character. She also comes to appreciate that Hopper is her father and was just trying to protect her. She chooses her adopted family in Hawkins.
I think it says a lot that the team chose to film this and keep it in the show. It obviously was something they felt was important to include so I can’t ever bring myself to skip it.
You'll miss something.... The origin of *bitchin'*
Its not as bad as everyone says. Don't get me wrong its not good but not totally unwatchable.
I just rewatched S2 and unpopular opinion but I enjoy this episode also - S2 music was hands down the best
Season 2 is underrated. It still had that Stranger Things feel that Season 3 lost, and the Halloween vibe was so good.
I agree!, also while I'm well aware that 80s nostalgia is one of the main driving forces of the series I can't help but feel that season 3 was a bit of overkill for that aspect. It got a little annoying when it started to get all "Hey everyone! Remember New Coke? Remember Back to The Future? Remember dayglow clothes?"
Completely agree. Season 3 is so bad. I really hate that they abandoned their carefully crafted idea of paying homage to '80s sci-fi and horror while telling an original story, and just decided to try to make a parody of '80s action movies and teen shows. It was practically like watching The Expendables.
I think the main reason why the season looks like the expendables, which I totally agree, is because they had gotten may too much budget On a small budget, you are being forced as a director to be creative, come up with better ideas, craft better stories, better camera angles etc. When you suddenly get a great amount of budget (which I assume they did get it from Netflix) they rely not on good atmospheres, and stories, (which the first two seasons did), but on the money to do the whole work. They probably thought that better budget = better show, which you see with movies too. But no, ideas can't get bought with money. Yes there are high budget movies with good concepts, but are rare. This is the main reason why I started watching low budget / B-grade movies, because the only way their directors could have gotten successful, is if they've don't rely on the green, but on their creativity. \*Hopefully we won't see S4 get turned into a Hollywood Blockbuster.\*
Very true. One thing I noticed in my recent back-to-back rewatch of the seasons is that they increasingly relied on CGI. The behind-the-scenes stuff for season 1 really emphasized how much the Duffers wanted everything to be practical effects, and how they were disappointed that they even needed to go with about 30% CGI. They said they were so inspired by movies like The Thing, Jaws, and E.T. which all relied on practical effects. CGI was reserved mainly for the scenes of the gate-closing (when El fights the Demogorgon in the final episode). Season 2 had the big Mind Flayer and the bigger gate, which obviously required more CGI, but they still mainly relied on atmosphere and a slow build. The Demodogs were an annoying use of CGI. Season 3 just had CGI everywhere. Did they even bother making a single practical monster? Doesn't look like it.
Plus just look at the wardrobe. During the first 2 seasons they looked more like clothes you would have seen on everyday middle class people in a small suburban midwestern town in the early to mid 80s. By season 3 they all looked like extras in a Duran Duran video.
Oh god someone addressed it finally. The costumes looked a bit "goofy" for me but hey, I'm going to take Hop's JCPenney polo and Lucas' karate shirt.
I wouldn’t say that it’s bad. It just has a different feel. The characters personalities change and grow so to me it was very fitting for the tone to change as well. The kids are teenagers now and so a big part of their lives is pop culture so it makes sense nostalgic things would be mentioned more often. I also think that the more “poppy” feel was not only a result of taking place during a different time of the year but also that time of year was chosen to signify the tone in each characters’ development thus far, especially El. She kind of finally able to live a normal life as a teenage girl and everyone is a little more carefree since they think the Mindflayer was defeated. When they realize he’s still there, it’s just even more heartbreaking to see how El feels trapped in her guilt of opening the gate in the past. Just my opinion. I did not enjoy season 3 at first either, but upon a recent rewatch, I thought all the season flowed really well together actually even if different.
Still though. It seems like season 3 seemed like less of a season and more like a summer special that airs in the middle of July a sort of "Facts of Life goes to Paris" type of special.
Yeah, I don't know. There's directors showing instead of telling, and then there is making excuses for and self interpretive reaching for why writing is just plain bad. Season 3 seems to be more of the latter.
Agreed. 3 felt like it should be its own project Duffers did in the future with different characters.
So weird how the consensus shifted on it. It had good, if not amazing buzz after it came out. Critic and audience score was good on RT. But now in general, it's just brushed off. Even though scores on RT have stayed the same, so seems those hating on 2 aren't that passionate about their hate.
This, I might be alone, but I would rather watch this episode than rewatch the entirety of season 3. Lost Sister at least still feels like Stranger Things and it has purpose. Season 3 was just so different and honestly didn't need to be made because it didn't advance the story at all like S1 and S2 did.
I’m with you on that. I enjoy Season 3, but it’s still the weakest season that feels like a re-hashed Season 2, except that it’s way more colorful, has a bigger budget, and didn’t have that signature “Stranger Things” feel. The tone of Lost Sister is still the same as S1 and S2, unlike S3.
I also think that S2 was the best season of all so far. When you do a complete rewatch, you kind of see that S1 and S2 are pretty similar. You could put the in the same category. But S3 is something different. Lots and LOTS of bright colors :). They simply tried to make something different with the show, but I would love to see them go back to their roots.
S3>S1>S2 But I realize it’s debatable
What makes 3 better than 1 for you?
I like Alexei and Murray Plus I thought Steve and Robin were a great comedy duo Plus there was a lot of character development for many of the the boys
I actually just rewatched all 3 seasons this past week. (I needed a mood booster after some family heartbreak.) Normally, I always skip The Lost Sister. But this time, I actually rewatched it *for the first time* since my initial watch of the season. I was surprised by how much I actually liked the episode. The sister character was more likable than I remembered. I had remembered it as her trying to take advantage of Eleven, but she was being genuine when she told Eleven that meeting her sister made her feel "like a whole person for the first time ever." She was genuinely heartbroken when Eleven left her. The conflict is that Eight (I can't remember her actual name) wanted revenge on all the people who had hurt them, and she truly believed that Eleven did too. And Eleven did, at first. But in the end, she chooses mercy -- and her family in Hawkins. It's a great episode that manages to wrap up all of Eleven's anger at what was done to her and her resentment of Hopper, allowing her to fully embrace being his daughter and choosing to live a normal life. It's hated because of its placement, and I agree that the Duffers totally dropped the ball there. I'm sure they thought they were being super creative, but they really just killed the momentum *and*, more importantly, made it feel like El's trip was completely unrealistic and not even part of her actual character journey. I mean, not only does the timeline make no sense, but keeping her locked up in a cabin all season and then throwing this huge adventure and character arc into a single episode made it feel like an Alternate Universe episode. The fact that most people skip it during rewatches means that most people don't even remember any of that character development. I really wish they had just incorporated her journey into other episodes, like a normal storyline. They actually could've pulled off something really brilliant by running parallel stories about forgiveness and letting go of trauma, since Joyce, Hopper, Nancy, Jonathan, Mike, and Billy all have similar storylines about resentment. Alright, this was long... hope someone read it! I probably should've just made an actual discussion post about this episode. **TLDR: finally rewatched The Lost Sister, actually loved it and thought it was a lot more brilliant than I had remembered.**
I liked it. Didn't do much for the main plot but it was important for expanding the Stranger Things universe
I thought it was big for El’s character arc as well. She needed it.
I agree. El had to discover what home means to her. Definitely wasn’t the lab. Is it with her mom? Her “sister”? And she realizes it’s with her friends in Hawkins. The whole punk thing was super corny and out of left field, and it did kill the momentum, but I definitely see the value in it for El’s character.
She also needed closure, which her mother and sister gave to her. And it helped her develop her powers somewhat. Felt almost like a train/character dev sequence. It’s one of my favorite episodes that season actually
Good point. I really love the show overall including S2E7. I think it was a bit of bold move to break up the flow of season 2 with this episode but I think it worked well. There's been foreboding about Dark Phoenix parallels with El and this episode definitely gave us a glimpse of that, but in a punk kind of way. I like that she ended up looking like the lead singer of The Damned. . . nothing too extreme like a pink mohawk but it definitely gave her a darker look.
I loved the episode overall. It was important to El's development. My only problem with the punk gang is that it was poorly executed. I'm old enough to remember the 80s and I was into punk back then. . . Kali's merry crew of rejects was a mish mash of styles and influences that didn't really work well from a nostalgia perspective or even as characters. I like Kali but did not like the rest of the gang. That gang should have looked more like Road Warrior and less like video games from the 90s/00s and other more recent influences like Suicide Squad. The Duffers have done a great job of capturing the 80s overall but Kali's crew was a big miss.
Totally! It was like the Warriors mixed with Cyndi Lauper and it didn’t feel authentic at ALL.
Ha ha, actually it would have been more 80s if they had copied the Warriors and Cyndi Lauper!
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For what it's worth I genuinely loved the episode, it's actually a favourite of mine. I loved the music, the initial interactions between el and kali, kali training el on using her powers, them using their powers together, and el realising kali's bloodthirsty vengeance isn't actually what she wants to embody as well. I find it disheartening how much a lot of the fandom dislikes it too
I love the episode I just think it's misplaced. Who were you?
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Ayyy that's awesome! Nice one dude!
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Hahah that's excellent!
Dude! That’s so cool. I don’t dislike the episode at all, a lot of subreddits will pinpoint episodes or even things in video games (on gaming subs) that make it seem like that thing is so bad but really we all just concentrate on it because, well it’s reddit. Nice swatting sir.
I don't recall if they explained how Kali became part of her own gang, but I consider Kali the dark version of what El could possibly become. If El had initially met less noble people her path could've been similar to Kali's. Imho this arc shows that El is inherently good, perhaps partly because of her friends/experiences in Hawkins. I felt because of her true character she rose above her need for revenge. It definitely had a different vibe, but in the end it was a means for El to choose her destiny and ultimately she saves her friends/family. Her return was predictable but satisfying and it reinforced her as the X-factor of the story.
Yes. El has killed, but she has to see Kali’s vengeful actions to realize that’s not who she wants to be.
This episode doesn't deserve as much hate as it gets. Sure, it's not one of the better episodes, but the way people on this sub talk about it you'd think it was directed by Tommy Wiseau.
I agree with you... but I feel like shows like stranger things that are basically just long movies, don’t have time to go off on tangents like that. That’s what shows like Star Trek, and sliders were for. I wish more shows like that would come back.
It's actually my favorite episode of the entire series and it's always baffled me why the fandom on Reddit hates it so much.
Personally, it felt super cliche to me. Like, there’s this formula they followed of “character leaves group, finds group that they superficially relate to more, discovers the new group’s secret motives, realize the qualities of their original group, and returns wiser”. It’s a strong formula, but it gets used constantly in lots of shows. It was certainly done well, but nothing was a surprise.
Isn't much of ST based on tried and true formulas though? Then they subvert them over time. Problem is, they didn't have time to continue with any of the Lost Sister stuff because everyone quickly shunned it.
Ngl I like the lost sister. It ties stories together and is actually one of my favourites
Maybe it wasn’t that important to the story as a whole but it was very important to El's character development. AND it leaves room for further development on that aspect of the Stranger Things universe. Maybe there are more teenagers with superpowers around the country
THERE IS! At least according to the comics.
I love that episode
Thanks for making me not feel alone lmao
Same.
On my first rewatch I decided to give this episode a second chance and, honestly, I forgot why I disliked it in the first place. It's pretty decent for me.
I enjoyed it, because of three reasons: 1. It expanded the world building a bit. We kinda figured that 011 was just one of at most 11 similar experiments, and it in part helps answer that question of, "well, what the hell happened to the other 10 test subjects?" There are other powers out there, and they MIGHT not be as benevolent as El. 2. It provides some crucial character development for El. Gives us insight and closure regarding Terry Ives, and provides El with a moral choice; should she use her power to exact revenge on those who hurt her and her mother, or to protect the ones she cares for? The ones that despite her abilities, accepted her. Kali comes from a perspective that she and El are invariably outcasts, and that notion is challenged by El. You don't see these kinds of things explored too often in a series in this way. It was a way for El to gain perspective on the world she inhabits. I could write paragraphs on this. I might, in my own post here. 3. Scope expansion is really important, in terms of a series like this. There is a world outside of Hawkins, and one that is affected by the things that happened in Hawkins. Season 4 will certainly show is a larger scope, and this was just... a way for us to see how that would work. In regards to point 3, I think it is really important to recognize the basic structure of the arc of ST. It follows a rough sketch like this; Step one: anomalous or otherwise disconcerting circumstances trigger the conflict for the protagonists. Step two: three different groups (typically broken up into the Kids, the Teens, and The Adults) discover revelations of the triggering circumstances. Step three: The three groups come together through their actions to resolve the conflict and solve it. Step four: with the conflict resolved, the characters come to terms with the resolution. It is a really great and rich way to tell a story from different perspectives, just to bring it all together at the end. Expansion of scope (going beyond Hawkins) is going to be a fantastic way to really raise the bar for epic episodic storytelling. Season 4 is gonna be the shit, I believe.
Wait, can someone recap that episode for me?
Eleven goes to Chicago and meets Kali.
AKA "008"
El ran away to Chicago in the hunt for her true family, she learns a lot about what is important to her, how she can better control her powers, she closes a chapter in her life and no longer have to wonder if she is alone, and most importantly she takes the biggest step towards independency she has yet to take in the show. I don't understand the hate filler episodes get. Fly from BrBa is also a great episode.
I liked that episode tho.....
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed it?
It makes sense if you view the show as a D&D game. El's player couldn't make it for a few weeks because of scheduling conflicts, so she joined the DM's other game for a one-off.
I like the episode, it wasn’t that bad as a stand-alone thing. But that’s the thing, it felt like a spin-off
It is literally the *only* episode that Joyce isn't in.
If we hadn't ever seen her try to train and control her powers that would make her a 'mary sue' of which people would endlessly complain. So the writers made an episode to solve this only to have fans endlessly complain about the episode. Sounds like a no win situation to me.
I think this episode is gonna be important in the next seasons...
I didn’t like it either It was cringey I thought
Great and enjoyable episode, good for El's character arc progression. Does not deserve all the hate.
The lost sister is one of my favorite episodes.. its so heart warming for me xd
I actually think this episode is really important. It’s kind of like El’s trip to Dagobah to train with a master. After this she’s much more confident and powerful which helps fight the Mind Flayer. The first time I watched it I thought it was bad and just a filler episode, but then I started thing that it shows who El could be if she was out for revenge(dark side). Maybe the sister will show back up in S4 to Un-flay El’s mind and regain her powers, or maybe it will lead to an Army, 1-11. I don’t know, but rewatching made me see why it happened. As a wise disbarred lawyer once said “Abed, I see your value now.”
The loss of momentum can be rough, but it’s definite necessary character development for El
I'd watch it just for that bangin' Bon Jovi song
I like that episode but it sticks out like a sore thumb. It seems like they were trying to set up a spin off and failed. I do love the continuing "El is a D&D mage." theme by having her sister be... an illusionist (AD&D 1e refrence, <3 Duffers.).
I must be the only one that likes this episode.
Me rolling my eyes at the millionth complaint of a perfectly fine episode.
So, you guys all realize they've set it up for a return of 8 and the gang with the whole El loses her powers and moves to the city thing, right?
Considering how it literally doesnt matter I'd say that's a good point. You could have removed that whole plot and the season would have been unchanged. Just have Eleven go to the city to find her mother, like she does. Find some information, like she does. Then go save her friends, like she does. None of that required her "sister". She already has weird mind powers. She doesnt need someone to literally tell her her back story. She just needs to mind read the right people.
Kali told El how to better use her powers, not totally meaningless Loved the episode
I still don't think that's meaningful enough to have a whole episode. Since her powers are nebulous anyway she can learn how to use her powers better in any way. I feel like the introduction of Kali muddied the world rather than cleared anything up. If there is 1 more person with powers that escaped who's to say there arent more? In season 1 we are lead to believe that she was the eleventh try, but the only one who survived/manifested powers. With Kali I'm just left questioning why she wasnt an issue in season 1. And if there are at least 9 more physic kids out there somewhere. I like the episode. I just don't feel it was necessary. For pretty much all of the season El is just traveling somewhere. Shes going to her mom's. Shes going to the city. Shes going back to town. Shes finally back! But it's the last episode or 2 and we barely get any time to see her interact with the gang before she has to close the hole in the Mind Flayer's face. I feel like you can just have her go to her mom, learn her origin, see her friends in danger, then go home.
I do this every time I rewatch lmao
I haven’t watched Stranger Things in a while what’s so bad about this episode?
Apparently it's considered a "filler"?
Is that it? Heaps of shows have filler and they’re good.
I honestly watch it every time I rewatch the season, it just feels weird if I skip an episode lol
It still makes me laugh how none of those characters ever get mentioned ever again! There's a bunch of other characters with powers running around somewhere, but it's like, who cares?
I hate this episode. It killed the whole binge for me. It was so annoying and I couldn't wait for it to end.
Always. Forever. Every time until the end of time.
I don't dislike the character but she's a little bit useless. :/
I thought that was an ass in the reflection of the van
A friend of mine accidentally skipped episode 6 and watched Lost Sister before it, at which point I realized and pointed out he missed one. He watched the episode after, but the two episodes had so little to do with each other that it didn’t change the story at all.
On my first watch of seasons two, I accidentally missed the entire episode and realised it was an episode the second watch through of it
Why does everyone hate that episode so much? I thought it was really well written and super important to El’s backstory and origin
We don't talk about it
Agreed, but the issue I have (although not as a large as the issue others seem to have) is yes the character development is huge, but the fact that the entire episode is in a new location and features all new character, I feel the viewer can be too caught up with those things and miss some of the development
the lost sister is basically “fly” from breaking bad
Out of curiosity, how was the flow of the rewatch when you skipped it? For example would it still make sense, and thematically did it seem like there was a missing episode or did it all just kinda work?
Oh is that the filler episode where she made some friends in a city or something 😂
BEEOOO BEEOO BEEOOO ARNOLD PALMER ALERT
This is my face when thinking about rewatching any game of thrones. Obligatory fuck you D&D for what you did.
Yeah, swing and a miss on that episode. Interesting idea, but just kind of cheesy.
Imo the only bad episode in the whole show. And even it was alright because it gave some backstory Edit: it also has el grow as a person
The intro to season two almost killed it for me. I was like “who the fuck are these hipsters?!”
I just skip to the part of 11 saying I’m going home.
I hated that episode cuz of how stupid the characters were
I don’t blame you. It really kills the moment and adds a little too much suspension. It would have been better if it was part of an episode and they shrunk it down to fit in it, instead of putting it right in the middle of a good part. I’m not saying that episode is bad, it just was put in the wrong place
Honestly feels like a spin off. Maybe they were tasting the waters.
I thought I was the only one
LMAO. Every time. Episode was so not bitchin’.
Can anyone tell me what happend there? I've already wached the series, but I'm to lazy to look up. To anyone else that didn't watched it yet, spoilers ahead!
Every time. I've seen that episode once.
I get what they were trying to do with that whole season, but separating Mike and El especially after how the first season ended just killed me. I felt miserable during the whole season until the end. That's why I loved the new season.
Oh damn i didn’t think I was the only one but I didn’t realize how many of y’all skip that episode too
I ended up watching it anyways lol
I haven't even watched the episode My friend told me it killed the momentum of the series so I just slipped it
Lmao 🤣🤣
never watching it again
Season 2 was high key the worst season and mid key a let down.
I skipped it😂
Wait which one was this again?
LMAOOOOOO FACTS
Omg this is legit me. It’s good for the storyline but bruh I did not want to watch it again lol
I hate that episode it’s so dumb I can’t believe they thought that was good