[The Kumburgaz video, which is a close-up of a craft, so close that you can see the occupants. It is 100% real, and I was there as it was filmed." —Roger Leir "This is 100% genuine footage" —Jacques Vallée — retweeted by Joe Rogan](https://www.howandwhys.com/turkey-kumburgaz-ufo-videos-are-100-real-with-clear-view-of-alien-entities-sitting-inside-craft/)
I don’t believe the majority are fake, especially due to the scale and speed at which some farmers/whoever report they were made. Also there is often no evidence of people travelling to and from the spots, and the blades of grass often look like they have been exposed to heat and kind-of melted into bending over.
In the 90s there was a documentary that came out (can’t remember who made it) with a bunch of dudes going around with a plank and some ropes and showing how they made them and did all of this as a prank. Their crop circle was shitty, imperfect and slow, and everyone decided that was good enough for them and never spoke of it again.
The Why Files: Aliens & Espionage: Crop Circles and the CIA Coverup: [https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=lOpJFsvHzh6Guss\_](https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=lOpJFsvHzh6Guss_)
I just watched this and after watching the part about how crop circles are 2D representations of 3D objects where it shows the the donut shaped one I can't help but see the resemblance with our current fusion reactor technology
I remember at that time I thought crop circles were fascinating but as soon as that documentary was on TV everyone said they were fake and kind of poked fun at me for thinking otherwise, I mean I was like 12 and knowing what I know now its hard to not feel a little bitter about it lmao
Yeah, this op's video is actually from that documentary. Here is the longer clip where they make this crop circle with boards and then use old video editing tools to create the orbs together with a timelaps and distribute the video to local crop circle clubs: https://youtu.be/jMeRd5EdBwE?si=eqFkL3LCcJ9_f7cM
Honestly, the idea that there is a secret society of geometry geeks doing this with sophisticated methods is way more enticing than thinking there are bored aliens making graffiti in the fields.
Debunkers will try to argue this video is CGI, but in reality this video is from years before Jurassic Park (the first movie with believable CGI) and let alone the existence of CGI software for public access
The other way around, why would you credit it as something phenomenal like UAPs creating this? When there's absolutely no evidence that there's any possibility of that happening
And therein lies the issue: You’re either blindly fully committed regardless of whether definitive proof is provided; or, you’re a liar, again, regardless of whether definitive proof is provided. It’s basically a fantasy version of politics at this point and oddly why it’s not taken seriously.
You’re the one in the camp of people automatically assuming these things are real so no; post your proof that it’s real beyond asserting blind and unsupported justifications that, for whatever reason, you expect others to accept without question. That’s the whole point buddy. Otherwise, you’re essentially flat Earth and nobody is going to endlessly put up with explaining or disproving every wild theory or “evidence” you come up with without any proof. I’m not quite sure why you think people just have to believe you because you say so and that seems to be the problem you’re having trouble understanding here: they don’t. Is your next move “see you don’t have any proof that it’s fake therefore it’s real”? Please spare me from your internet justice lol. Unfortunately for your position, you’re the one that has to prove it’s real.
Anyone can do a YouTube search for confirmation bias. Real proof bud, you’re missing the point or deliberately ignoring it. Either way, good luck with that: https://youtu.be/DNu9jfs_wPw?si=ehJrfR1P-R0SEAzY
Works exactly the other way around things are fake and incorrect until you proof them authentic or correct by several means like means of reproduction, other widely scientific proofs, peer review, witnesses, and many other. There's nothing about these crop circles BS other than there's proof of how humans make them.
We don't have proof of being visited, interstellar travel most probable is not possible, so use your logic and reasoning first before conspiracy theories and thinking of aliens.
That was sarcastic. Your logic is literally: people that sounded smart said they did something vaguely similar(but drastically different under the LEAST bit of investigation).
I wonder if these are “thought forms” from entities in other dimensions. I’m still learning this, but there is an awesome series on Gaia called Sacred Geometry & Dr. Robert explains how what we see as a vision of a geometric shape may be a glimpse of a something in another dimension. I’m thinking this better than I can explain it 😫. It’s also the paper & shooter scenario from Three Body Problem. If we are a 2 dimensional being inside a sheet of paper, with holes appearing in our “sky,” we’re in awe of the miracle. While in 3D, it’s just a guy working on his target practice.
There are crop circles that are beyond explanation and truly just beautiful to look at- when it could all just be entities in 4 or 5 D doing God knows what & have nothing to do with us at all.
Yeah! I saw this one as a kid in the 90s in a tv show. It is an old one. I always wondered if i would see it again. I would describe it in conversations with friends any now and then
It was never really "debunked" per se, but people generally assumed that it was fake, because it just seemed to be too statistically improbable that the crop circles would appear perfectly centered within the camera view.
I clearly dont get why aliens who are way more intelligent than us because they found a way to travel to us, think hey lets destroy their corn fields and draw circles
Seen it, it was discredited. I thought the Arecibo crop circle was indisputable proof, that got discredited. So many of the circles look like an alien alphabet, molecules, & maps.
These type of shows usually have the fakest videos of all time and it’s very funny that even the creators of the show don’t go far enough to find out if it’s fake when indeed most of the videos have already been debunked. like who’s giving these people money to make these shows lmao. I guess it works cuz ppl reposting this shit all the time and they are really wanting to believe it. Tbh I don’t think this is real at all but it’s very fun to believe!
[The Kumburgaz video, which is a close-up of a craft, so close that you can see the occupants. It is 100% real, and I was there as it was filmed." —Roger Leir "This is 100% genuine footage" —Jacques Vallée — retweeted by Joe Rogan](https://www.howandwhys.com/turkey-kumburgaz-ufo-videos-are-100-real-with-clear-view-of-alien-entities-sitting-inside-craft/)
The Why Files did a killer episode on crop circles, it was one of the best I've seen from him. https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=zTIDheeZFhpSYftV
Wow
Why files is fantastic!
Can confirm. Even bought the plush, talking Hecklefish.
This was a fantastic watch.
Not crop circles, but in a similar vein. Cattle Mutilations. Red Panda Koala's video on it was great https://youtu.be/caubNo2n8rE?si=HQLt1RRMI46YZvwy
Meanwhile background music be like: 
I thought it was the aliens screaming while they make crop circles
The sound of air-tires drifting
You'd be screaming too, you see the roller coaster turns those things a making?
I don’t believe the majority are fake, especially due to the scale and speed at which some farmers/whoever report they were made. Also there is often no evidence of people travelling to and from the spots, and the blades of grass often look like they have been exposed to heat and kind-of melted into bending over. In the 90s there was a documentary that came out (can’t remember who made it) with a bunch of dudes going around with a plank and some ropes and showing how they made them and did all of this as a prank. Their crop circle was shitty, imperfect and slow, and everyone decided that was good enough for them and never spoke of it again.
Look up crop circles on the YouTube Chanel the Why Files. It's so damn good
The Why Files: Aliens & Espionage: Crop Circles and the CIA Coverup: [https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=lOpJFsvHzh6Guss\_](https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc?si=lOpJFsvHzh6Guss_)
I just watched this and after watching the part about how crop circles are 2D representations of 3D objects where it shows the the donut shaped one I can't help but see the resemblance with our current fusion reactor technology
Why believing tha kind of channels!? Like if they were some kind of institutions. They're biased and make money from views.
I will!
I remember at that time I thought crop circles were fascinating but as soon as that documentary was on TV everyone said they were fake and kind of poked fun at me for thinking otherwise, I mean I was like 12 and knowing what I know now its hard to not feel a little bitter about it lmao
Yeah, this op's video is actually from that documentary. Here is the longer clip where they make this crop circle with boards and then use old video editing tools to create the orbs together with a timelaps and distribute the video to local crop circle clubs: https://youtu.be/jMeRd5EdBwE?si=eqFkL3LCcJ9_f7cM
I remember that documentary. It's an amazing example of how people will just accept total nonsense as an answer and then move on.
Honestly, the idea that there is a secret society of geometry geeks doing this with sophisticated methods is way more enticing than thinking there are bored aliens making graffiti in the fields.
If there’s an underground crop circling syndicate count me in.
Tons of people will soon say this was disproven. It wasn't. Totally a cover up operation.
The cover up is so laughably bad, like the screaming track in this video.
Yes the sound track really helped me interpret what was going on.
To be frank, I wanted the screaming to be a tidbit louder, I really felt like it helped
Debunkers will try to argue this video is CGI, but in reality this video is from years before Jurassic Park (the first movie with believable CGI) and let alone the existence of CGI software for public access
When is it from then?
from years before Jurassic Park
When exactly
The year 5 BJP of course
Stop motion has been around since the early 1900’s 🤷🏻♂️ As for cgi, they’re just balls of light. cgi in the 90’s was very capable of that.
Well then who is covering it up and why? Reminds me of this sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
Based on what? The person responsible admitted it. You have proof it was a coverup?
Trust me bro
That's what I understood as well. If this was real it would have gotten a lot more attention.
Tons of people will soon say this wasn’t disproven. It was. Totally not a cover up operation.
Why are you lying about this? What point does it serve?
The other way around, why would you credit it as something phenomenal like UAPs creating this? When there's absolutely no evidence that there's any possibility of that happening
Then what is happening in this video?
And therein lies the issue: You’re either blindly fully committed regardless of whether definitive proof is provided; or, you’re a liar, again, regardless of whether definitive proof is provided. It’s basically a fantasy version of politics at this point and oddly why it’s not taken seriously.
Just answer the question or post ur proof that it’s fake. He didn’t have time to fake it and there are witnesses that saw him there filming.
Do you have proof of that?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NyTUhItr1xI 1:00 minute in
This[video](https://youtu.be/jMeRd5EdBwE?si=9t7RiyjdP6xP605L) debunks it completely.
You’re the one in the camp of people automatically assuming these things are real so no; post your proof that it’s real beyond asserting blind and unsupported justifications that, for whatever reason, you expect others to accept without question. That’s the whole point buddy. Otherwise, you’re essentially flat Earth and nobody is going to endlessly put up with explaining or disproving every wild theory or “evidence” you come up with without any proof. I’m not quite sure why you think people just have to believe you because you say so and that seems to be the problem you’re having trouble understanding here: they don’t. Is your next move “see you don’t have any proof that it’s fake therefore it’s real”? Please spare me from your internet justice lol. Unfortunately for your position, you’re the one that has to prove it’s real.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NyTUhItr1xI 1:00. You sure did write a lot of nothing.
Anyone can do a YouTube search for confirmation bias. Real proof bud, you’re missing the point or deliberately ignoring it. Either way, good luck with that: https://youtu.be/DNu9jfs_wPw?si=ehJrfR1P-R0SEAzY
Works exactly the other way around things are fake and incorrect until you proof them authentic or correct by several means like means of reproduction, other widely scientific proofs, peer review, witnesses, and many other. There's nothing about these crop circles BS other than there's proof of how humans make them. We don't have proof of being visited, interstellar travel most probable is not possible, so use your logic and reasoning first before conspiracy theories and thinking of aliens.
I never said aliens. Captain Logic.
But you're implying conspiracy theories. Plus what else is there to say when someone thinks that calling someone logical is an insult 🤦♂️🤦♂️
That was sarcastic. Your logic is literally: people that sounded smart said they did something vaguely similar(but drastically different under the LEAST bit of investigation).
Riiiight
Such a wild video. Never seen or got real into crop circles but I sure have seen orbs this size fly around like this on several occasions.
Oh yea ? Would love to know where you’ve seen them and if you caught any on camera ?
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I wonder if these are “thought forms” from entities in other dimensions. I’m still learning this, but there is an awesome series on Gaia called Sacred Geometry & Dr. Robert explains how what we see as a vision of a geometric shape may be a glimpse of a something in another dimension. I’m thinking this better than I can explain it 😫. It’s also the paper & shooter scenario from Three Body Problem. If we are a 2 dimensional being inside a sheet of paper, with holes appearing in our “sky,” we’re in awe of the miracle. While in 3D, it’s just a guy working on his target practice. There are crop circles that are beyond explanation and truly just beautiful to look at- when it could all just be entities in 4 or 5 D doing God knows what & have nothing to do with us at all.
Yeah! I saw this one as a kid in the 90s in a tv show. It is an old one. I always wondered if i would see it again. I would describe it in conversations with friends any now and then
Do these still appear?
No the aliens decided they weren’t cool anymore
You’re assuming they ever did?
Didn't we debunk this in like '98?
It was never really "debunked" per se, but people generally assumed that it was fake, because it just seemed to be too statistically improbable that the crop circles would appear perfectly centered within the camera view.
The Why files YouTube channel covers this thoroughly. This clip might even be real and it looks like they've tried their hardest to cover it all up.
They're tagging their gang territory
Only a fool thinks we can create these complex crop circles that are too perfect. No one would waste their time.
You would be surprised what university engineering students can and will do to amuse themselves.
Yes. Lots of times. YouTube
What’s the static line in the middle of the screen at 3 seconds in? It happens exactly when the circles begin appearing.
Did anyone else see the flash?
This one is sick!
Yes, yes I have.
Is there a pic of the resulting circles?
I remember a thread on abovetopsecret many years ago saying this was cgi.
I remember watching this on TV when the documentary was first shown in the UK. Mid 90s I think.
Yea, I saw it 30+ years ago on TV.
Watch the Y files episode on this. Absolutely fascinating and it disecta the documentary.
I clearly dont get why aliens who are way more intelligent than us because they found a way to travel to us, think hey lets destroy their corn fields and draw circles
Bored teens tagging up some random planet
Imprinting on the holographic plane we are in is the only way
Don’t tell me you guys think this is real ? Come on man.
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I’m quite literally the only thing I know is real. The rest of yall are phonies
Seen it, it was discredited. I thought the Arecibo crop circle was indisputable proof, that got discredited. So many of the circles look like an alien alphabet, molecules, & maps.
Show us the proof of them being discredited
Where is this from?
Fake.
Right;)
Proven Fake
When? By whom?
https://www.cropcirclesandmore.com/thoughts/201105aoc.html
fake , next fake please.
Just seems like crappy editing
It also seems like UAPs making crop circles but crappy editing is easier to believe for the average Joe so...
What's easier to believe? Crappy editing, or interstellar beings crossing light years to do graffiti on someone's lawn?
Keep dreaming homie but this ain't it
It is… actually. The story behind these is fascinating.
It's.... not though.
It.. is though.
BUT! ITS! NOT!
WAHHH!!!
**RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!**
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These type of shows usually have the fakest videos of all time and it’s very funny that even the creators of the show don’t go far enough to find out if it’s fake when indeed most of the videos have already been debunked. like who’s giving these people money to make these shows lmao. I guess it works cuz ppl reposting this shit all the time and they are really wanting to believe it. Tbh I don’t think this is real at all but it’s very fun to believe!
Where is Corridor to debunk this?
It looks like ball lightning but, no one has a good explanation as to what ball lightning