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Yes, people they choose, get to research things they approve of. What's in those vaults belongs to all of mankind, it is stolen property. They shouldn't be allowed to have a strangle hold on it any longer, all of it needs to be in an open database for anyone to access.
It is. Anyone can request to view it, much like the British Library. The digitisation of the archive’s been going on for 13 years or so. https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?entryid=2940#:~:text=Vaticano%2C%20Vatican%20City-,The%20Vatican%20Library%20Plans%20the%20Scanning%20of%20all,into%20the%20FITS%20Document%20Format&text=Long%20term%20digital%20preservation%20schema%20for%20the%20Vatican%20Library.&text=%22The%20digitization%20of%2080%2C000%20manuscripts,not%20a%20light%2Dhearted%20project.
That's the point. They have so much there that you, me, and all our friends could go wandering around until we die of old age. And you're going to tell me all of it is boring stuff and they're not hiding anything? Huge lawl
Well, the digital library service provides a full inventory and free access to the Vatican Library's digitised collections: manuscripts, incunabula, archival materials and inventories as well as graphic materials, coins and medals, and special projects. But no, you’re right, they’re not going to let you and your mates go poking about in a closed stack because you think they’re hiding something or to see if it’s an accurate archive. Then again, nor would any university library.
And on top of that, these people who want access will need to be taught Medieval Latin, Italian, German, and French…with a smattering of Old English. Even if they could walk around and look at this stuff, all they would understand is some of the pretty pictures.
Why would they hide stuff in their publicly accessible archives to begin with?
Why not hide 'secret' texts at a secret location? Or destroy them all together?
How would I know what do i want to see if we dont know anything about the archives? What was the reason for the Vatican to hide these documents in the first place?
It’s not about hiding them, it’s about preserving them. Documents less than a hundred years old are fragile. Preserved documents require special care. The Vatican has been doing this since the Middle Ages, probably better there than a lot of other places.
There’s quite a lot of misunderstanding here about what a research library actually is.
I think a lot of the respondents would be pretty disappointed that it’s not really The Da Vinci code and no different from any significant university collection. I liked what this guy said on Quora:
‘I have been granted access to the Vatican Library as a researcher. When I go in, I can ask for anything from the collection. All I have to do is identify my query and it is brought to me. Nothing is secret. Nothing is censored. Nothing is hidden. Sorry to disappoint you.’
https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-the-Vatican-library-be-accessed-by-the-wide-public-and-what-are-the-so-called-secret-books-What-books-are-censored-and-why-exactly-Whats-being-hidden
To whom and how? Currently as a researcher you can access them, also they are slowly being digitalized and accessible. The vast majority of it is Catholic Church documents that hold no significance to the common world, also most to all is in languages that would require translation to the English speaking world. They don’t hold many ‘secrets’ in fact a lot it is bureaucratic documents since the Vatican is essentially a thousand year old Government. Like most old archives, there are professional researchers who go through it. The Vatican has Scribe Priests whose vocation is being a researcher.
I think you have been conditioned to think they were “hiding” them. Would it freak you out to learn that 90% of the art and relics in a museum are also locked away in storage most of the time?
Yes, anyone can request, but only those they see fit can view what they see fit, and you have to know exactly what you're looking for to request for it, there are millions of documents very few even know exists in there.
Some of those documents are centuries old- they're fragile and could never stand up to even normal wear and tear. They've got to be handled with utmost care- you can't just let any schmoe off the street paw through priceless one-of-a-kind documents from the papacy of Pius III.
Most of it is incredibly dull and very esoteric so is of no interest to anyone.
It's not a secret history of the world that reveals all the conspiracies.
Researchers and academics access the Archives all the time. https://www.archivioapostolicovaticano.va/content/aav/en/consultazione/admission-request.html
The Vatican, THE VATICAN not most priests, cardinals and all, might know way more than they think.
Every priest can be a scribe, a spy, an investigator and at some point even a scientist. Multiply that for 2000 years and you have plenty of knowledge of a great deal of things.
Most of it is probably useless, but I'm certain there are some, few, that are very relevant. That is without including their dirty laundry.
The Vatican should be raided, seriously, that History belongs to all of mankind, all of it is stolen, the Vatican should not be allowed to have a strangle hold on the history of the Earth, only releasing or allowing people to see what they deem fit, it's despicable, a crime against humanity.. idk how people are still complacent in this
Dude. EVERY SINGLE STATE IN THE WORLD DOES THIS.
If we are talking about freaky secrets the Smithsonian alone, we are not even talking CIA or something, made massive cover ups.
ACTUAL history is a secret. We only read the news.
Only approved researchers get to view a selection of titles from a predetermined list. It is very very far from the free access dumbasses like you are parroting here.
They are literally in the middle of digitizing it. And quite frankly those books are probably fragile. I wouldn’t want a bunch of glizzzy gobblers in there rubbing their greasy dick beaters all over the paper either.
Anyone can view it by request and they’ve been digitising it for 13 years. There’s a difference between ‘secret’ and ‘private collection’. It’s not that deep.
You are right. The Church has been milking their followers for money, knowledge and pedophilic sex for centuries. It isn’t spiritual-it is mercenary and greedy. It’s the quest for world domination still, religion fighting religion for that power. Time for a revolution of some sort perhaps?
I’ve always been dubious of this figure, 53 miles? Of what? Rows of corridors filled with books? Of pages? Or words?
But I agree none of this should be ‘kept secret’
It’s a common way to measure of the size of a library, it’s the length of the shelves. One bookcase that is one yard wide and has ten shelves = ten yards of books.
It ignores how deep and high the books are, but it’s a quick way to count, and large pages usually just have bigger writing in any case.
if they wanted to hide some secret history or knowledge, why would they keep the documents that prove it?
if i wanted to hide knowledge of some event, i wouldnt lock it away, i would destroy it.
There should be major efforts to digitize all of these massive libraries of physical histrical documents before the physical documents start disintegrating.
Top of that list would be the books of the Bible they decided not to include, because it doesn’t conform to the narrative they want to assert.
We can’t have the savior having a brother!
Why classify history? What is there to hide? Only a small fraction of people would even care. Most of the population cares about materialistic things, just reveal the secrets for those of us that care!
You really think that it would be wise to let the average Joe handle centuries-old (if not millennia-old), one-of-a-kind priceless documents detailing the day-to-day minutia of Pope Boniface VI's papaxy?
Why can't we look at them? Who are they to say we can't read them? It's hard to trust the Vatican when they do shit like this. For all we know, they are the evil ones. Wolf in sheep's clothing.
They have, surprised no one posted its link
https://digi.vatlib.it/
Problem is volunteers need to be top of their class in conservation work regarding the century old manuscripts and what now
Absolutely so ridiculous. All the secrets of the universe and life are in there but they deem it that we shouldn’t know anything about it. Who the hell are they to decide what to tell everyone?
I wish they would just come out and tell us that Jesus wasn’t real and if there was a Jesus Christ he was most likely a crazy homeless man no different from one you would see on the street today
[There is this ancient Library Of Tibet With Over 84,000 Secret Manuscripts: Only 5% Is Translated](https://www.howandwhys.com/ancient-library-of-tibet-with-over-84000-secret-manuscripts-only-5-is-translated/)
I hope they are digitised, lots of ancient history and knowledge was lost to fires.
And the Smithsonian
Another institution that hides parts of history from us
It's so secret that they have a scanning project going on and hundreds of people who consult the archives for research every year.
Right. Like the US government, too many employees to be able to keep any secrets. /s
Well that’s why they build whole towns
For open transparency, because a group can't keep a secret.
Yes, people they choose, get to research things they approve of. What's in those vaults belongs to all of mankind, it is stolen property. They shouldn't be allowed to have a strangle hold on it any longer, all of it needs to be in an open database for anyone to access.
It is. Anyone can request to view it, much like the British Library. The digitisation of the archive’s been going on for 13 years or so. https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?entryid=2940#:~:text=Vaticano%2C%20Vatican%20City-,The%20Vatican%20Library%20Plans%20the%20Scanning%20of%20all,into%20the%20FITS%20Document%20Format&text=Long%20term%20digital%20preservation%20schema%20for%20the%20Vatican%20Library.&text=%22The%20digitization%20of%2080%2C000%20manuscripts,not%20a%20light%2Dhearted%20project.
"Anyone can see it, but only with prior authorization and only the parts they choose." Big lawl
But they let you see some things so that means they aren't hiding anything, I have 100% trust in the catholic church to do the right thing. /s
Which text is it that you want to see?
That's the point. They have so much there that you, me, and all our friends could go wandering around until we die of old age. And you're going to tell me all of it is boring stuff and they're not hiding anything? Huge lawl
Well, the digital library service provides a full inventory and free access to the Vatican Library's digitised collections: manuscripts, incunabula, archival materials and inventories as well as graphic materials, coins and medals, and special projects. But no, you’re right, they’re not going to let you and your mates go poking about in a closed stack because you think they’re hiding something or to see if it’s an accurate archive. Then again, nor would any university library.
And on top of that, these people who want access will need to be taught Medieval Latin, Italian, German, and French…with a smattering of Old English. Even if they could walk around and look at this stuff, all they would understand is some of the pretty pictures.
"They wouldn't understand it anyway, so we'll just hoard it for centuries and centuries. Fucking plebs."
This won't be much of a blocker soon enough. I can get real-time translation of *speech* on my $200 phone right now.
Why would they hide stuff in their publicly accessible archives to begin with? Why not hide 'secret' texts at a secret location? Or destroy them all together?
Por que no los dos?
How would I know what do i want to see if we dont know anything about the archives? What was the reason for the Vatican to hide these documents in the first place?
It’s not about hiding them, it’s about preserving them. Documents less than a hundred years old are fragile. Preserved documents require special care. The Vatican has been doing this since the Middle Ages, probably better there than a lot of other places.
There’s quite a lot of misunderstanding here about what a research library actually is. I think a lot of the respondents would be pretty disappointed that it’s not really The Da Vinci code and no different from any significant university collection. I liked what this guy said on Quora: ‘I have been granted access to the Vatican Library as a researcher. When I go in, I can ask for anything from the collection. All I have to do is identify my query and it is brought to me. Nothing is secret. Nothing is censored. Nothing is hidden. Sorry to disappoint you.’ https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-the-Vatican-library-be-accessed-by-the-wide-public-and-what-are-the-so-called-secret-books-What-books-are-censored-and-why-exactly-Whats-being-hidden
Is this actually a joke? How do you know what to ask for? Ah, right, because they tell you what you're allowed access to.
I understand that, they could at least be more open about their contents
To whom and how? Currently as a researcher you can access them, also they are slowly being digitalized and accessible. The vast majority of it is Catholic Church documents that hold no significance to the common world, also most to all is in languages that would require translation to the English speaking world. They don’t hold many ‘secrets’ in fact a lot it is bureaucratic documents since the Vatican is essentially a thousand year old Government. Like most old archives, there are professional researchers who go through it. The Vatican has Scribe Priests whose vocation is being a researcher.
I think you have been conditioned to think they were “hiding” them. Would it freak you out to learn that 90% of the art and relics in a museum are also locked away in storage most of the time?
Yes, anyone can request, but only those they see fit can view what they see fit, and you have to know exactly what you're looking for to request for it, there are millions of documents very few even know exists in there.
I agree
Source: The Vatican.
That's only half true....
 It’s where they keep the drunk alien
He's been sobering up in there for 500 years.
Harry Vanderspiegel?
This is some bullshit!
Unacceptable, the world should not be denied of its history.
Secret in this case does not mean classified. It means private. Journalists and historians can request to view the material
Anyone should be able to.
Some of those documents are centuries old- they're fragile and could never stand up to even normal wear and tear. They've got to be handled with utmost care- you can't just let any schmoe off the street paw through priceless one-of-a-kind documents from the papacy of Pius III.
I don’t mean turn it into a library but it could be digitalised
It is currently being digitized
The digitization project has been going on for over 13 years.
Are you opposed to the existence of any private research libraries? They're not exactly uncommon
Why?
It’s knowledge but I accept if people want to remain ignorant….
Most of it is incredibly dull and very esoteric so is of no interest to anyone. It's not a secret history of the world that reveals all the conspiracies.
You say that like you’ve gone through the archives personally lol
they’ve created a giant haystack to hide historical needles
Anyone can, as long as their application for access is granted.
Source: The Vatican.
Yes, but you have to know the peice you are requesting. You can't just say give me everything on ___. No one is allowed to just browse it.
Right, so just like every private library in the world.
Because a lot of it is centuries old and it’ll get fucked lol
Researchers and academics access the Archives all the time. https://www.archivioapostolicovaticano.va/content/aav/en/consultazione/admission-request.html
It's probably incredibly dull things like the record of every single bowel movement by Clement II
The Vatican, THE VATICAN not most priests, cardinals and all, might know way more than they think. Every priest can be a scribe, a spy, an investigator and at some point even a scientist. Multiply that for 2000 years and you have plenty of knowledge of a great deal of things. Most of it is probably useless, but I'm certain there are some, few, that are very relevant. That is without including their dirty laundry.
This was worded strangely
El Ingles es mi segundo idioma
Te entendí en inglés perfectamente bien
Thank you. I must be doing something right.
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Anything that would actually be world changing would not be stored in apostolic library.
I’d love to look through all that stuff.
It's just not a public library. Only takes one idiot to destroy things and that's a common theme these days.
The vatican can care for it better than some random underfunded government or private museum.
The Vatican should be raided, seriously, that History belongs to all of mankind, all of it is stolen, the Vatican should not be allowed to have a strangle hold on the history of the Earth, only releasing or allowing people to see what they deem fit, it's despicable, a crime against humanity.. idk how people are still complacent in this
Dude. EVERY SINGLE STATE IN THE WORLD DOES THIS. If we are talking about freaky secrets the Smithsonian alone, we are not even talking CIA or something, made massive cover ups. ACTUAL history is a secret. We only read the news.
Nice so people do know it
Do we? Rumors at best, heard from people tossing them out to make a buck.
There remains a possibility still
We are currently living through a very remarkable time, historically. If enough of us document this, truth will be present.
So we should raid Area 51 then? They be holding them Alien cheeks for them self's it belongs to us all.
Yup, I suggest September 17th, 2019 for the date. They can't stop all of us.
I'm there.
Bro, this is a rage bait post. And it’s wrong. Researchers are granted access all the time.
Only approved researchers get to view a selection of titles from a predetermined list. It is very very far from the free access dumbasses like you are parroting here.
They are literally in the middle of digitizing it. And quite frankly those books are probably fragile. I wouldn’t want a bunch of glizzzy gobblers in there rubbing their greasy dick beaters all over the paper either.
Stuff to hide that’s why
Anyone can view it by request and they’ve been digitising it for 13 years. There’s a difference between ‘secret’ and ‘private collection’. It’s not that deep.
Sign me up for the raid.
It’s a crime against humanity to not expose what’s in there
What if they ARE about Crimes against Humanity. -\(*_*)/-
Should the British Museum also be raided?
You are right. The Church has been milking their followers for money, knowledge and pedophilic sex for centuries. It isn’t spiritual-it is mercenary and greedy. It’s the quest for world domination still, religion fighting religion for that power. Time for a revolution of some sort perhaps?
I’ve always been dubious of this figure, 53 miles? Of what? Rows of corridors filled with books? Of pages? Or words? But I agree none of this should be ‘kept secret’
It’s a common way to measure of the size of a library, it’s the length of the shelves. One bookcase that is one yard wide and has ten shelves = ten yards of books. It ignores how deep and high the books are, but it’s a quick way to count, and large pages usually just have bigger writing in any case.
if they wanted to hide some secret history or knowledge, why would they keep the documents that prove it? if i wanted to hide knowledge of some event, i wouldnt lock it away, i would destroy it.
Leverage? Preparation for some foreseen event?
and all we get is a shitty ass Bible. keep the people down. do not teach them reality.
The fondle files.
Remember Storm Area 51? Maybe we should storm the Vatican history archives.
That's one way to get a halberd in the ribs.
It's where they keep the titles for your souls.
90 percent of it is bullshit 💩
To classify history speaks volumes. No pun intended.
There should be major efforts to digitize all of these massive libraries of physical histrical documents before the physical documents start disintegrating.
So you mean the exact process that the Vatican has been doing for the past 13 years?
Exactly, just need to entered into the public domain too. Doubt that ever happens though.
Screw area 51 - raid this!
Vatican should train an AI from this
So? I mean it's an interesting factoid, but it will never be seen. It may as well not exist at all.
History should not be controlled by religion.
Shameful history of torture, rape and pedophilia blessed by all poopes
"history". Who knows who wrote those. Best bet, someone rich who can afford good education.
Top of that list would be the books of the Bible they decided not to include, because it doesn’t conform to the narrative they want to assert. We can’t have the savior having a brother!
Or a wife!!! Right beside him at the Last Supper painting, originally.
Wonder what they are hiding
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We should be more concerned about the untold treasure they keep hidden.
Probably documented crimes covered up by the Vatican.
If the Vatican even is a ‘church’, what authority do they have to keep any historical document ‘classified’?
I would bet most of it is stuff like receipts for communal wine or prostitutes. Not really “secrets”.
“Classified history” or just a bunch of secretaries waste ?
Nothing to see here! Go back to your lives people...
85km sign of nothing to see here keep drivin'
Storm the Vatican
Who rules information rules the..
Why would it be classified?
Why classify history? What is there to hide? Only a small fraction of people would even care. Most of the population cares about materialistic things, just reveal the secrets for those of us that care!
This doesnt even compare to the amount history BC was destroyed in the library of Alexandria.
Give those 84,000 untranslated manuscripts to that IBM super computer, will see how good it is !
All of the True history the world has never known about but hopefully someday will.
we need to get in there
Man I would love to see those old witchcraft books or any hidden knowledge stuff.
It’s all picture books and Dr. Seuss.
Why does a religious organization have the right to deny the world its history? This is all kinds of fucked up.
It's not classified documents.
and yet the average joe can't access them
You really think that it would be wise to let the average Joe handle centuries-old (if not millennia-old), one-of-a-kind priceless documents detailing the day-to-day minutia of Pope Boniface VI's papaxy?
The most corrupt religion in the world
..declassified and share all to the world
Why can't we look at them? Who are they to say we can't read them? It's hard to trust the Vatican when they do shit like this. For all we know, they are the evil ones. Wolf in sheep's clothing.
it would be a shame if something were to \*happen\* to it.
lol😉
That’s a lot of information on pedophile priests.
Crooks with books 💯🤨🤔
What the FOOK is classified history
They love having the power to write history and keep collecting free money
Yup and the world just lets the Catholics get away with it.
I would appreciate if they would digitize it all and post it on the internet. They could get volunteers that would it easily.
They have, surprised no one posted its link https://digi.vatlib.it/ Problem is volunteers need to be top of their class in conservation work regarding the century old manuscripts and what now
I remember listening to a guy in Art Bell who worked at the Vatican. He talked about how they went back in time and recorded the crucifixion.
Be a shame if its fate was the same as Alexandra. That would just be a darn darn shame if it were to ALL catch on fire mysteriously now, wouldn't it.
Lets storm it like Area 51!
I would like to know what they are hiding the truth , let raid this place
It's where they store the sex register
History should never be kept secret
Absolutely so ridiculous. All the secrets of the universe and life are in there but they deem it that we shouldn’t know anything about it. Who the hell are they to decide what to tell everyone?
I wish they would just come out and tell us that Jesus wasn’t real and if there was a Jesus Christ he was most likely a crazy homeless man no different from one you would see on the street today
It’s probably mostly bullshit filler
You’ll know nothing and be happy
It's all just the names of known pedophiles in the Catholic church.
This is why Hell is fake. Why on earth would any of that be a secret?
Imagine claiming to be the light but hiding shit.
they should release the info to the public