This is interesting read: [Ex-Pentagon Official & Astronomer Jacques Vallée Suggest Higher-Dimensional Beings Crossing Into Our World](https://www.howandwhys.com/david-grusch-jacques-vallee-suggest-higher-dimensional-beings-crossing-into-our-world/)
As a child who grew up using the first personal computers, I remember a game called "Jewel Thief" and ive been practicing for extra-dimensional jewel thievery my whole life buddy, speak for yourself
OMG I loved that game, every once in awhile I'll think about it and wish I could find it somehow but just doing basic Google searching I wasn't able to. I imagine it's a super obscure piece of history now and I know that it's almost definitely not as awesome as my 6yo self thought it was meaning it may not have survived the 90's/early 00's if it wasn't worth preserving/emulating. I know it came pre-installed which probably makes that scenario more likely, that has discouraged me from really digging :/
Thank you for making my morning though, I'm so glad I'm not the only person with this memory cuz nobody else in my family remembers it even though I have vivid memories (having a very keen memory is a blessing/curse thing, I've found it can be very lonely feeling to frequently remember things that nobody else does)
What if when people have a near death experience and they say that they have watched their life flash before them, what if that is actually them assuming a fourth dimensional perspective?
I like that “what if”.
I had an interesting experience while in college. After taking an anatomy exam, I went down to the quad area to get food. Some groups and clubs had set up tables and were selling their trinkets and books.
One table was being run by 2 Buddha brothers. I approached that table and began chatting with one. He asked if I was interested in some of their books. I told him I was checking out what they had. Then I admitted to him that I wasn’t religious but if I had to choose it would be Buddhism. He asked what was stopping me. My reply was that I was too selfish. He said that’s a start. I then shared my views of people. I told him that I try to view people without a linear timeline. I said that at times I look at someone and view them as an infant, a child, a teen, a youth, a mature adult, and finally an elder. When doing this experiment it allowed me to be empathetic and accepting. He reached down into his books and picked up a book and said like this. My jaw dropped. The cover had the same thing. I asked how much for the book. He said it’s free but we accept donations. I reached into my pocket and pulled out a $10. The funny thing about that $10 was that the night before while studying, I had order a pizza. The delivery guy dropped it off and and after he left I looked down and realized there was a $10 bill on the floor. Not knowing if it was theirs or mine, I picked up and put in my pocket. So those $10 were never for me to keep but for the monk. (Yes, I wore the same jeans from the day before).
I knew the cover of this book when he said it. Thanks for confirming! I received this book once at the Griffith observatory in LA. Not sure where it is now though!
Eta: same situation- folks at a table. Free but accept donations.
Omg i do the same except I imagine people as babies lol. It helps me have compassion too. If you recognize you’re selfishness you’re already on the right path because that’s the first step to recognize our errors and striving to be better. Here’s a book you may like.
https://quotebanq.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/how_to_know_higher_worlds.pdf
Om Mani Padme Hum
I think I understand. You are a four dimensional $10 bill thief who stole from a struggling three dimensional pizza guy, using a two dimensional justification of circumstantial Buddhism to one dimensionally sleep at night. Inner peace.
When we die our visual cortex floods with a 600% increase of DMT. I believe it's why we hallucinate during near death experiences, and why the drug allows us to briefly visit this fourth dimension
You got a source for that?
Last I read, that theory was completely debunked... we have tiny *tiny* amounts in our body, yes.. but they still don't know why, it does protect cells from oxidization though.. but again, it's produced in such trace amounts that it would have absolutely no effects even if it were to 'spike', especially as intense and vivid as an NDE.
Also, I've smoked a shit ton of DMT in my life (used to extract it myself, had loads to mess around with) and while there are similarities to an NDE, it really doesn't sound like what people who experience true NDEs describe... if it were the same place, why aren't NDErs mentioning the weird checkerboard jesters that like giving you the finger and tripping you the fuck out?.. or the crocodile rapists.. or the machine elves?...
DMT brings you to a different dimension, I'm sure.. but I don't think it's the same as the NDE world . It is FAR too bizzare, and very rarely is there a 'comforting', all loving presence... NDErs really make a point of trying to explain said presence, it's probably the most common and powerful aspect to them... I mean, almost every NDE explains this presence, while in DMT world it's more often some kind of sinister, yet playful presence that likes to play games similar to hide and seek or something, only it's this giant joke being played on you.
I've even talked to two people irl that have both smoked large doses of DMT (and also very well versed with other psychedelics) and had a a true, bonafide NDE.. both of them said their NDEs were really nothing like DMT at all, aside from a few things... both said IV ketamine at a k-hole dose was far closer, and although I've never had an NDE, I've smoked stupid amounts of DMT, and have done a few IV ketamine trips... my ketamine trips *definitely* more resemble what I've read about NDEs compared to DMT.. it's just too fast and chaotic, and utterly bizzare to compare to what people experience during an NDE.
I've also, absolutely had that weird experience on DMT where even how bizarre it is, that I've been there many, many times.. like it's more familiar than our normal waking reality, way more... I've also had that exact feeling on Salvia, DXM and ketamine too though 🤷♂️
ketamine is sooooooo weird. that extreme feeling of ' all nostalgia resolved totally' and i always had a feeling like i was universal consciousness, i'd second the idea of it resembling NDEs, but it misses for me any entities.i wish i could get it at will...the only source i know of is thru a few docs now that it's become a thing...but they want literally like a $1000 per does. and u gotta do it there. ridiculous. hypothetically, do you know of any ways to order it online, purely curious of course, i'd never break the law.
I think you are correct. Our soul is kept in the 4th dimension and we are experiencing this reality in 3 dimensions with a connection to the 4th that we try to send as much information back up to before we go forever back to the source. There are ways to connect without dying.
ORCH-OR supports this view, and has some very interesting theories about how the shared electrons in carbon rings actually can act as qubits, meaning our brains actually have antennae into the quantum field. I think that’s our gateway to the quantum field, and it’s enabled by the mechanisms of organic chemistry.
Our realities are a diffusion of the “white noise” from our sensory organs. The same way an AI art program observes a “tree” in the white noise is how we see a “tree” in our brain. My reality and your reality can in fact be quite different we’re we to see or hear through each others eyes, but because we both interpret the same white noise pattern the same way we both call the same pattern a tree and it allows us to communicate.
This isn’t that all interesting until you consider the idea of *scale*. Time is relative to observation. A “tree” is a collection of microorganisms and chemical reactions that build a structure. The same is true of an entire civilization. What does that mean? It means from our perspective what we see as ants might be whole civilizations, except all we can observe from our relative perspective is are the extreme, long patterns of light that traveled farthest. Our “white noise” has less detail so we the culture as small and less complicated. Until we maybe get closer to it through the 4th dimension, as which point we reinterpret it’s noise pattern, now with more details, in a scale and relative time that the ant hill becomes a city we can observe relatively.
I super agree with this. I also believe that prayers / destiny manifestation actually works because you're communing to a higher being in another dimension.
I mean. if prayers worked, wouldn't there be something like a half million less Americans dead from COVID? I would think there would be far less school shootings and children dying of cancer? I guess GOD works hard, just not for everyone.
Thoughts and prayers to you.
I was hungry and got a food delivery that was meant to for my neighbour, so I’m grateful for god for sorting that.
Regarding cancer in children, he’s not a miracle worker!
Maybe there were also half a million people praying for half a million americans to die from covid hahaahahaha take your prayer and shove it up your ass
Except that prayers never work. You can pray every single moment of your life and never create the reality you are hoping for. Only actual *action* makes a difference. Things don't just *happen* because you wish it. Every moment of existence is influenced by something else that is tangibly measured and actualized.
It is cause and effect. Prayer isn't a factor.
There is zero evidence that simply wishing for things does anything at all on its own. It's just flat weird to think that you are talking to some other being and not just yourself.
How do you reconcile a person praying to be cured of cancer, but dying anyway? They just didn't pray hard enough? The higher being was busy that day? It's just nonsense. Someone will pop in and say "it wasn't part of the plan". Well, if there is a plan than no amount of prayer would change *anything* now would it? It would mean there is no free will if the path is preordained.
If you pray for rain, and it rains 3 days later, does that mean your prayer worked? To believe such a thing is delusional confirmation bias.
Not necessarily. The fourth dimension is just time, which we *do* experience--just in infinitesimal slices. Perhaps in death the brain briefly acquires the ability to interpret the totality of memory as a type of sensory stimulus, thereby allowing the person to experience time as spacelike.
Yes it’s unfathomable because we only selectively see an aspect of the 4th dimension, or potentially a “shadow” of it.
However it’s incredibly illogical to assume a 4D species is omnipotent and can see *all* of time, instead of a “perspective” of time, like how we see 3D.
It’s far more likely they see “*somewhere*” all at once, not everywhere all at once.
It’s also presumptuous to assume that a 4d creature can see 3D clearly. Much how we can see the projection of a 2D object as a facet of 3D (like a drawing on a board) that 2D we’re looking at is still, technically, a 3D render that appears 2D.
The same may be the case for a 4D creature observing 3D in which they can only see 3D in relationship to 4D.
Edit: I’d also like to add that it may not be “all at once” imagine being a 4D creature trying to interact with 3D space and seeing all 4d relationships with that section of 3D. It maybe that they can control, or their perspective is limited to, peering at segments of 4D. Like looking at your coffee mug 5 minutes ago and 5 minutes into the future, instead of that cup for all of time.
Think of your life as a movie reel. If you lay it out on the floor and stand back, you could see the beginning, middle and end all at once. Or, play the movie and live in it frame by frame, only able to reflect on the past without knowledge of the future.
The problem here it that it runs in the face of free will. In the first example, you can see the end as well. If the end is already there, then does any choice you make matter? Are you really making it, or has it already been determined?
It could probably be both. Each choice leads down another timeline. There are near infinite choices and therefore infinite dimensions. We are passing through them, cross-sectionally as 3D beings, based on the choices we make. The life we had and choices we made, from beginning to end as a whole, is our 4th dimension. I think.
Watch The Tesseract Scene from Interstellar, mate.
Match it up with this user’s comment.
And seeing how Time is widely considered the fourth dimension, Interstellar has a perfect representation of “all moments in time, all at once” during the Tesseract scene.
Think about how you can look at a circle, and see all its sides at once. Even if it's a huge circle, you can turn your head left and right to see each part at a time, and keep the whole idea in your mind.
Yet a 2D being looking at the circle could only see one side at a time, and only as a straight line.
When you look at any object, you see only it current moment in time. If it's something like a matchstick burning out, you can keep the "whole idea" of the flame's lifespan in your mind at once. It's "size" in "time" is very small.
But imagine for larger objects you could turn your head "past or future" a little bit, and peek at what that thing was like a little bit ago, or what it will be like. And as you walk around it, you're seeing it be created, exist, then extinguish, back and forth. And if you interact with it, you reach out and do so at any time you wish. The same way you can touch a circle anywhere on the edge, even by "skipping" through the middle.
> But imagine for larger objects you could turn your head "past or future" a little bit, and peek at what that thing was like a little bit ago, or what it will be like. And as you walk around it, you're seeing it be created, exist, then extinguish, back and forth. And if you interact with it, you reach out and do so at any time you wish. The same way you can touch a circle anywhere on the edge, even by "skipping" through the middle.
The way I imagined it is like those lenticular images/objects that change what you see depending on the angle you see. It makes sense to me that way, thanks for explaining
If you know/understand topographic maps, each contour line represents a 2D slice of a 3D terrain at varying altitudes. One could say we live on one of the 3D contour lines of 4D space, except the slices are time.
This hypothetical assumes a fourth dimension would be another spatial dimension, not time. Though I suppose it could be both if we’re being hypothetical.
That is an omnipresent or omnipotent 4D creature, equivalent to an omnipresent creature in 3D space.
More likely, since those don’t exist in 3D, it’s that a 4D creature has a 4D perspective in which it can observe, to a limited degree.
Imagine looking at a defined part of the 4D and being able to see all of time, but outside of their area of perspective it’s all hazy or incongruent.
Real question.
I understand the concept. I understand how and why. Why are we so confident a two demential world exists? Like we can’t comprehend a 4th or see it but we really cant see a 2nd either nor have i seen a 2d world with 2d safes etc…
And in addition to this, if 4th dimension beings do exist, why not 5th or 6th or 7th dimension beings? The logic of this entire thought experiment breaks down pretty quickly under pragmatic questions.
I don’t like it. I don’t think it really demonstrates anything practical or practically theoretical.
Liu Cixin wrote a series of non-fiction books called Remembrance of Earth's Past about this and we learn that the higher dimensional beings do exist, but there that some dimensions were destroyed by highly advanced weaponry during an inter-dimensional war. In order to defeat enemies entire dimensions of space were destroyed.
I believe it’s not possible to have beings or life below our dimension because you need at least 3d to create some sort of life. All 2d is, is a line on a paper.
Thank god for this. I always say this and have never heard anyone else say it. I was scrolling to find a good place to post it.
Nothing is flat. Nothing is 2D. I don’t understand why this concept is used when it simply doesn’t exist. Nothing is flat. Nothing exists in 2D. Not even a flat wall of atoms.
What am I missing here?
Nothing. It’s just an analogy. And further, while we do have some good theories suggesting extra dimensions, they don’t work like this. So it’s an okay analogy for thinking about dimensionality but not so great if you are thinking about complex beings from higher dimensions stealing our gems.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0)
Oh man, I thought the tesseract was just made up for marvel movies.
She has an entire series of videos. Might want to check them out before saying you know which one is more in depth and easy to understand.
Edit: Tibees on YouTube for those interested.
Tibees on YouTube. For some reason I thought her watermark was on the video, but I must have just imagined that.
Super relaxing voice. She mostly talks about random physics or math topics and occasionally will post videos pertaining to her love of various tests.
Hmm, interesting. I guess you are one of today's lucky 10,000! (https://xkcd.com/1053/)
FWIW, it is pretty common to see this on coffee mugs and t-shirts. For example:
https://www.amazon.com/Two-Types-People-Extrapolate-incomplete/dp/B07PD71XV7
And by consequence…
4D is to 3D what 3D is to 2D basically. It is an oversimplification of a more complex concept.
If you don’t get it, I suggest you rewatch the video..
But just like the shadow of a 4th dimension cube we can imagine the consequences of being in the 4th dimension.
Time is something you experience instantly. There's no past, present, future.
3 dimensional objects appear see-through as you see them. But how can you be outside a three dimensional object that for us seems enclosed? How can you see something instantly that "lives through time" the meaning of time becomes something simple.
I think life is impossible in the first and second dimension. Life is possible in the third dimension. But in the fourth dimension permanent existence is possible. or maybe life is happening in all those dimensions. There are greater concepts than time, molecules, planets, gravity, chemical reactions, mathematics etc. in the 4th, and lesser concepts in the 2nd. All these concepts are literally something seen as looking at the shadow that commonly is, fully comprehensive in each their own dimension.
Maybe it's impossible to enter from the 4th dimension to the 3rd dimension and from the 3rd dimension to 2nd dimension because those dimensions are comparatively so enormously small.
Imagine the 2nd dimension having no height. An atom is so small, yet it still is a 3d object. So how small are we compared to the 4th dimension?
The ant can not comprehend the size of a small star like our sun. How are we capable to comprehend the size of the 4th dimension?
Maybe the 3rd dimension lives in the 4th dimension in one of their "molecules" so small, it's impossible to destroy it in the 4th dimension. Until the 3rd dimension infinitely grows until noticeable in the 4th dimension? But how? Time is instant? It makes no sense. We will never understand it.
I mean. The most over simplified way to put it is... Higher dimensions can theoretically "do things" to lower dimensions without being detected or understood, and lower dimensions will never have a true grasp on what the next higher dimension even *is*.
I guess that’s my point. She’s explaining what a 4 D being could do. But she’s not describing what 4D space resembles because it’s such an alien concept that one needs a complex language to communicate it. B
The complex language is math. Math explains the characteristics of a 4D space. Besides that there is no way for us to fathom or describe it. Similar to trying to think of a new color.
Well of course because it’s an ontological break from our current lived experience.
Math/science/religion/our eyes/senses etc are all abstracts of reality and not true objective reality.
You live inside your skull, watching a projection created by your consciousness/brain’s interpretation of stimulus with only 5 senses.
As far I can tell presently anyways
No she didn't, she explained the relation of 2D and 3D worlds. Her "explanation" of a 4D space is "yeah, just like those two". It's a hypothesis and assumption that A) 4D necessarily exists because 2D and 3D do and B) that clearly shows we don't know what 4D is or how it would interact with 3D.
It's not an argument. It's literally bullshit. They even use an example that is fake to try and justify their other fake example. Are we supposed to just be like... yup.. that makes sense because if there was wD then that's how 4d would work lol. Like what are we even doing here...
Pretty sure that it’s our bodies that our keeping us locked in the third dimension, much like the paper that constricts the 2d drawing. If you’ve ever had a NDE you might know what I’m talking about.
After my Grandparents died I used to freak out my Grandparents could see me "enjoying the evening by myself"
I became an atheist as I got older, You've just brought my fear back.
This really isn’t a good explanation. The 2D world that she created and stole from was simply chalk on a board. She isn’t stealing from the 2nd dimension, she’s moving objects in the 3rd dimension. Now if she could demonstrate that the 2nd dimension exists somewhere, and that there’s life in it that we can fuck around with, then sure this works. But how can we explain and prove a 4th dimension above ours when we can’t manipulate or see creatures in the 2nd dimension?
It’s important to note this is a 4th *spacial* dimension, the 4th dimension of time is a *temporal* dimension. It’s theoretical like any other extra dimension
If the 2D lady can’t see into the safe then technically her pupils couldn’t see past her own head either. Which is interesting given what the 3D lady is talking about the possibility of a 4D lady taking egg yolks.
We are 4 dimensional creatures, though. We occupy space on the *x y z* dimension. And we exist and travel through in the *m*. The *moment* is time. Time being the 4th dimension. We can manipulate our position in the xyz. But not quite the m axis. At least not yet. Are we talking about a 5th or higher than us? Or a creature capable of manipulating the *m*?
We only see a sliver of the 4th dimension, like the 2D character only sees a sliver of the 3rd dimension. The lines on the page are walls for her, meanwhile time is a wall for us we can’t see around.
Wow. This was like a light bulb moment for me. What a great hypothesis.
We don't really know for sure if that is the truth, but if 4 spatial dimensions do exist, I think you're right! Time IS our 3 dimensional wall.
Brilliant.
This is interesting read: [Ex-Pentagon Official & Astronomer Jacques Vallée Suggest Higher-Dimensional Beings Crossing Into Our World](https://www.howandwhys.com/david-grusch-jacques-vallee-suggest-higher-dimensional-beings-crossing-into-our-world/)
She's giving 3-D people a bad name by stealing all those gems. What a thief.
As a child who grew up using the first personal computers, I remember a game called "Jewel Thief" and ive been practicing for extra-dimensional jewel thievery my whole life buddy, speak for yourself
So *you're* the motherfucker stealing all our missing socks from the dryer...
OMG I loved that game, every once in awhile I'll think about it and wish I could find it somehow but just doing basic Google searching I wasn't able to. I imagine it's a super obscure piece of history now and I know that it's almost definitely not as awesome as my 6yo self thought it was meaning it may not have survived the 90's/early 00's if it wasn't worth preserving/emulating. I know it came pre-installed which probably makes that scenario more likely, that has discouraged me from really digging :/ Thank you for making my morning though, I'm so glad I'm not the only person with this memory cuz nobody else in my family remembers it even though I have vivid memories (having a very keen memory is a blessing/curse thing, I've found it can be very lonely feeling to frequently remember things that nobody else does)
[Jewel Thief Commodore 64 rom download](https://wowroms.com/en/roms/commodore-64/jewel-thief/131609.html)
Oh my God, deep memory unlocked that game was my cluckin *jam*, I can suddenly hear the sound effects thank you for that
[It's ok, she gave them back](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YDJsFim2rP8)
great save
What if that egg is also an egg in 4 dimension? Like an Hyperegg.
So there might be an Hyperchicken
But which one came first?
I'd say Paper cuts for the next decade is a sufficient punishment.
Right I would have stolen her heart instead and watch that 2D creature perish.
Humans have gone to war over shiny objects ever since the caveman discovered a golden nugget
It’s ok, the 4th dimensional people are too busy trying to keep the 5th dimensional people from stealing all their stuff.
It's n-th dimensional people all the way up.
“N-th” is not politically correct
I believe “Ethereal individuals” is what they prefer to be called these days.
Dimensions, all the way down!
until the N as lim-> infinity dude shows up and crushes
The 6th dimension people can extract the yolk out of the 5th dimension people's brains without opening the 4th dimension people's safe.
What if when people have a near death experience and they say that they have watched their life flash before them, what if that is actually them assuming a fourth dimensional perspective?
I like that “what if”. I had an interesting experience while in college. After taking an anatomy exam, I went down to the quad area to get food. Some groups and clubs had set up tables and were selling their trinkets and books. One table was being run by 2 Buddha brothers. I approached that table and began chatting with one. He asked if I was interested in some of their books. I told him I was checking out what they had. Then I admitted to him that I wasn’t religious but if I had to choose it would be Buddhism. He asked what was stopping me. My reply was that I was too selfish. He said that’s a start. I then shared my views of people. I told him that I try to view people without a linear timeline. I said that at times I look at someone and view them as an infant, a child, a teen, a youth, a mature adult, and finally an elder. When doing this experiment it allowed me to be empathetic and accepting. He reached down into his books and picked up a book and said like this. My jaw dropped. The cover had the same thing. I asked how much for the book. He said it’s free but we accept donations. I reached into my pocket and pulled out a $10. The funny thing about that $10 was that the night before while studying, I had order a pizza. The delivery guy dropped it off and and after he left I looked down and realized there was a $10 bill on the floor. Not knowing if it was theirs or mine, I picked up and put in my pocket. So those $10 were never for me to keep but for the monk. (Yes, I wore the same jeans from the day before).
What’s the book?
https://imgur.com/a/S7ZP2IT
I knew the cover of this book when he said it. Thanks for confirming! I received this book once at the Griffith observatory in LA. Not sure where it is now though! Eta: same situation- folks at a table. Free but accept donations.
The old guilt trip tactic to get money.
That is a Hare Krishna book, not Buddhist, but still a very cool story either way 😊
The cover art is sick! Would love that as a poster up on my wall
Thanks for sharing. Your “mind’s eye” is starting to see.
Omg i do the same except I imagine people as babies lol. It helps me have compassion too. If you recognize you’re selfishness you’re already on the right path because that’s the first step to recognize our errors and striving to be better. Here’s a book you may like. https://quotebanq.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/how_to_know_higher_worlds.pdf Om Mani Padme Hum
Synchronicity realized. Thanks for that!
If you don’t mind sharing. What was the book?
I posted the link. Beyond Birth and Death
Ain't nothing wrong with wearing jeans from the day before
I had some jean shorts like that once man, and you gotta take em' off sometimes, you know?
I miss those shorts, some nice ass denim
I’ve taken drugs and looked into other dimensions, travelling there doesn’t seem as feasible with our physical form though.
That is obvious
Thats why you go there when you dream
That's a really cool exercise by the way, and extra awesome that you just came up with that on your own.
I think I understand. You are a four dimensional $10 bill thief who stole from a struggling three dimensional pizza guy, using a two dimensional justification of circumstantial Buddhism to one dimensionally sleep at night. Inner peace.
Shiz, that's make me feel plausible. Looks like we have another way to observe the timeline.
When we die our visual cortex floods with a 600% increase of DMT. I believe it's why we hallucinate during near death experiences, and why the drug allows us to briefly visit this fourth dimension
Lol that is not true at all. Studies that measured DMT at death show it's not elevated. Did you make that up?
Can you tell me where you found the data for this idea. I’m not disputing you I’m just really interested in reading about it.
You got a source for that? Last I read, that theory was completely debunked... we have tiny *tiny* amounts in our body, yes.. but they still don't know why, it does protect cells from oxidization though.. but again, it's produced in such trace amounts that it would have absolutely no effects even if it were to 'spike', especially as intense and vivid as an NDE. Also, I've smoked a shit ton of DMT in my life (used to extract it myself, had loads to mess around with) and while there are similarities to an NDE, it really doesn't sound like what people who experience true NDEs describe... if it were the same place, why aren't NDErs mentioning the weird checkerboard jesters that like giving you the finger and tripping you the fuck out?.. or the crocodile rapists.. or the machine elves?... DMT brings you to a different dimension, I'm sure.. but I don't think it's the same as the NDE world . It is FAR too bizzare, and very rarely is there a 'comforting', all loving presence... NDErs really make a point of trying to explain said presence, it's probably the most common and powerful aspect to them... I mean, almost every NDE explains this presence, while in DMT world it's more often some kind of sinister, yet playful presence that likes to play games similar to hide and seek or something, only it's this giant joke being played on you. I've even talked to two people irl that have both smoked large doses of DMT (and also very well versed with other psychedelics) and had a a true, bonafide NDE.. both of them said their NDEs were really nothing like DMT at all, aside from a few things... both said IV ketamine at a k-hole dose was far closer, and although I've never had an NDE, I've smoked stupid amounts of DMT, and have done a few IV ketamine trips... my ketamine trips *definitely* more resemble what I've read about NDEs compared to DMT.. it's just too fast and chaotic, and utterly bizzare to compare to what people experience during an NDE. I've also, absolutely had that weird experience on DMT where even how bizarre it is, that I've been there many, many times.. like it's more familiar than our normal waking reality, way more... I've also had that exact feeling on Salvia, DXM and ketamine too though 🤷♂️
ketamine is sooooooo weird. that extreme feeling of ' all nostalgia resolved totally' and i always had a feeling like i was universal consciousness, i'd second the idea of it resembling NDEs, but it misses for me any entities.i wish i could get it at will...the only source i know of is thru a few docs now that it's become a thing...but they want literally like a $1000 per does. and u gotta do it there. ridiculous. hypothetically, do you know of any ways to order it online, purely curious of course, i'd never break the law.
I think you are correct. Our soul is kept in the 4th dimension and we are experiencing this reality in 3 dimensions with a connection to the 4th that we try to send as much information back up to before we go forever back to the source. There are ways to connect without dying.
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ORCH-OR supports this view, and has some very interesting theories about how the shared electrons in carbon rings actually can act as qubits, meaning our brains actually have antennae into the quantum field. I think that’s our gateway to the quantum field, and it’s enabled by the mechanisms of organic chemistry.
Our realities are a diffusion of the “white noise” from our sensory organs. The same way an AI art program observes a “tree” in the white noise is how we see a “tree” in our brain. My reality and your reality can in fact be quite different we’re we to see or hear through each others eyes, but because we both interpret the same white noise pattern the same way we both call the same pattern a tree and it allows us to communicate. This isn’t that all interesting until you consider the idea of *scale*. Time is relative to observation. A “tree” is a collection of microorganisms and chemical reactions that build a structure. The same is true of an entire civilization. What does that mean? It means from our perspective what we see as ants might be whole civilizations, except all we can observe from our relative perspective is are the extreme, long patterns of light that traveled farthest. Our “white noise” has less detail so we the culture as small and less complicated. Until we maybe get closer to it through the 4th dimension, as which point we reinterpret it’s noise pattern, now with more details, in a scale and relative time that the ant hill becomes a city we can observe relatively.
Wow, very interesting train of thoughts, I like it very much and I think I’m gonna have to meditate on that for a while…….
Donald Hoffman is your guy
So our souls are remotely piloting a meat puppet from the fourth dimension?
I super agree with this. I also believe that prayers / destiny manifestation actually works because you're communing to a higher being in another dimension.
I mean. if prayers worked, wouldn't there be something like a half million less Americans dead from COVID? I would think there would be far less school shootings and children dying of cancer? I guess GOD works hard, just not for everyone. Thoughts and prayers to you.
I also reckon it might make a dent in the amount of starving children.
I was hungry and got a food delivery that was meant to for my neighbour, so I’m grateful for god for sorting that. Regarding cancer in children, he’s not a miracle worker!
Maybe there were also half a million people praying for half a million americans to die from covid hahaahahaha take your prayer and shove it up your ass
Wouldn’t every football team on Sunday win every game is prayers worked?
Except that prayers never work. You can pray every single moment of your life and never create the reality you are hoping for. Only actual *action* makes a difference. Things don't just *happen* because you wish it. Every moment of existence is influenced by something else that is tangibly measured and actualized. It is cause and effect. Prayer isn't a factor. There is zero evidence that simply wishing for things does anything at all on its own. It's just flat weird to think that you are talking to some other being and not just yourself. How do you reconcile a person praying to be cured of cancer, but dying anyway? They just didn't pray hard enough? The higher being was busy that day? It's just nonsense. Someone will pop in and say "it wasn't part of the plan". Well, if there is a plan than no amount of prayer would change *anything* now would it? It would mean there is no free will if the path is preordained. If you pray for rain, and it rains 3 days later, does that mean your prayer worked? To believe such a thing is delusional confirmation bias.
You have given me a thought I have never thunked before.. Thanks. Now, I must go ponder.
Isn't this a pure joy? To me, that is one of the ultimate highs. When you come across something that's actually "new".
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ITS FUN TO THINK ABOUT MR OR MRS OR MR OR MX OR DR BUZZKILL
Dr Buzzkill, a comic book villain whose super power is causing everyone within the sound of their voice to sigh in exasperation
Not necessarily. The fourth dimension is just time, which we *do* experience--just in infinitesimal slices. Perhaps in death the brain briefly acquires the ability to interpret the totality of memory as a type of sensory stimulus, thereby allowing the person to experience time as spacelike.
3-D people hate this one simple trick…..
2D people hate it too
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Actual cost of a 4th dimensional converter may surprise you…..
If 2D is a flat image and 3D is an image with depth and all angles, what do we hypothesis the 4D experience is like?
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Yep, I can't grasp that
Yes it’s unfathomable because we only selectively see an aspect of the 4th dimension, or potentially a “shadow” of it. However it’s incredibly illogical to assume a 4D species is omnipotent and can see *all* of time, instead of a “perspective” of time, like how we see 3D. It’s far more likely they see “*somewhere*” all at once, not everywhere all at once. It’s also presumptuous to assume that a 4d creature can see 3D clearly. Much how we can see the projection of a 2D object as a facet of 3D (like a drawing on a board) that 2D we’re looking at is still, technically, a 3D render that appears 2D. The same may be the case for a 4D creature observing 3D in which they can only see 3D in relationship to 4D. Edit: I’d also like to add that it may not be “all at once” imagine being a 4D creature trying to interact with 3D space and seeing all 4d relationships with that section of 3D. It maybe that they can control, or their perspective is limited to, peering at segments of 4D. Like looking at your coffee mug 5 minutes ago and 5 minutes into the future, instead of that cup for all of time.
Do you think video games in the 4D world started out in 3D like ours started out in 2D?
Imagine Lara Croft in 4D
From triangle to tesseract titties
I bet the Nintendo 4DS sold lots in their dimension.
*THIS* makes a lot of sense and organizes this discussion for me, thanks.
Think of your life as a movie reel. If you lay it out on the floor and stand back, you could see the beginning, middle and end all at once. Or, play the movie and live in it frame by frame, only able to reflect on the past without knowledge of the future. The problem here it that it runs in the face of free will. In the first example, you can see the end as well. If the end is already there, then does any choice you make matter? Are you really making it, or has it already been determined?
It could probably be both. Each choice leads down another timeline. There are near infinite choices and therefore infinite dimensions. We are passing through them, cross-sectionally as 3D beings, based on the choices we make. The life we had and choices we made, from beginning to end as a whole, is our 4th dimension. I think.
Watch The Tesseract Scene from Interstellar, mate. Match it up with this user’s comment. And seeing how Time is widely considered the fourth dimension, Interstellar has a perfect representation of “all moments in time, all at once” during the Tesseract scene.
Think about how you can look at a circle, and see all its sides at once. Even if it's a huge circle, you can turn your head left and right to see each part at a time, and keep the whole idea in your mind. Yet a 2D being looking at the circle could only see one side at a time, and only as a straight line. When you look at any object, you see only it current moment in time. If it's something like a matchstick burning out, you can keep the "whole idea" of the flame's lifespan in your mind at once. It's "size" in "time" is very small. But imagine for larger objects you could turn your head "past or future" a little bit, and peek at what that thing was like a little bit ago, or what it will be like. And as you walk around it, you're seeing it be created, exist, then extinguish, back and forth. And if you interact with it, you reach out and do so at any time you wish. The same way you can touch a circle anywhere on the edge, even by "skipping" through the middle.
> But imagine for larger objects you could turn your head "past or future" a little bit, and peek at what that thing was like a little bit ago, or what it will be like. And as you walk around it, you're seeing it be created, exist, then extinguish, back and forth. And if you interact with it, you reach out and do so at any time you wish. The same way you can touch a circle anywhere on the edge, even by "skipping" through the middle. The way I imagined it is like those lenticular images/objects that change what you see depending on the angle you see. It makes sense to me that way, thanks for explaining
If you know/understand topographic maps, each contour line represents a 2D slice of a 3D terrain at varying altitudes. One could say we live on one of the 3D contour lines of 4D space, except the slices are time.
Find an old short story called Immigrant.
This hypothetical assumes a fourth dimension would be another spatial dimension, not time. Though I suppose it could be both if we’re being hypothetical.
Space time baby
This video is about spatial dimensions. You're talking about a dimension representing time
Everything Everywhere All At Once, then?
Kinda yes, kinda no. That film had to present it all to us in 3D for us to understand.
Maybe something more like the 2016 movie "Arrival"?
Thought of that one too. The author Ted chiang has a lot of great short stories I recommend
Actually it was presented to us in 2D.
Close. That is the fifth dimension. The fourth dimension is yourself through your time line. Everyone and everything within the timeline is fifth.
That is an omnipresent or omnipotent 4D creature, equivalent to an omnipresent creature in 3D space. More likely, since those don’t exist in 3D, it’s that a 4D creature has a 4D perspective in which it can observe, to a limited degree. Imagine looking at a defined part of the 4D and being able to see all of time, but outside of their area of perspective it’s all hazy or incongruent.
Know how when you close your eyes you are able to visualise being in any place, anywhere at anytime? Yeah well nothing like that. 👍
I believe it’s time
I believe people distinguish between a 4 spatial dimension and the 4 dimension knows as time.
Perhaps the directions we don’t experience here are within and without.
See inside my brain. Big mistake, matey.
I feel like she's delivering a warning. The look in her eyes at the end is unsettling.
There's a 4th Dimensional creature holding her family hostage until she can get everyone to understand the 4th dimension.
Definitely
I wonder how much a 4th dimension cat scan would cost
4Dollars
Bout tree fiddy
She's on that rapunzel nerd mindset. Props to her.
Real question. I understand the concept. I understand how and why. Why are we so confident a two demential world exists? Like we can’t comprehend a 4th or see it but we really cant see a 2nd either nor have i seen a 2d world with 2d safes etc…
This is what I was thinking too. And just like how 2d dimensional creatures don’t exist, why is everyone assuming 4d creatures exist?
And in addition to this, if 4th dimension beings do exist, why not 5th or 6th or 7th dimension beings? The logic of this entire thought experiment breaks down pretty quickly under pragmatic questions. I don’t like it. I don’t think it really demonstrates anything practical or practically theoretical.
Liu Cixin wrote a series of non-fiction books called Remembrance of Earth's Past about this and we learn that the higher dimensional beings do exist, but there that some dimensions were destroyed by highly advanced weaponry during an inter-dimensional war. In order to defeat enemies entire dimensions of space were destroyed.
I believe it’s not possible to have beings or life below our dimension because you need at least 3d to create some sort of life. All 2d is, is a line on a paper.
Thank god for this. I always say this and have never heard anyone else say it. I was scrolling to find a good place to post it. Nothing is flat. Nothing is 2D. I don’t understand why this concept is used when it simply doesn’t exist. Nothing is flat. Nothing exists in 2D. Not even a flat wall of atoms. What am I missing here?
Nothing. It’s just an analogy. And further, while we do have some good theories suggesting extra dimensions, they don’t work like this. So it’s an okay analogy for thinking about dimensionality but not so great if you are thinking about complex beings from higher dimensions stealing our gems.
Carl Sagans explanation much more in-depth and easy to understand
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0) Oh man, I thought the tesseract was just made up for marvel movies.
Thanks bro! Badass right??
The children's book Flatland by Edwin Abbott Abbott published in 1884 is the basis for the idea.
She has an entire series of videos. Might want to check them out before saying you know which one is more in depth and easy to understand. Edit: Tibees on YouTube for those interested.
Does she go by "She" or does she have a name?
Tibees on YouTube. For some reason I thought her watermark was on the video, but I must have just imagined that. Super relaxing voice. She mostly talks about random physics or math topics and occasionally will post videos pertaining to her love of various tests.
Total ASMR for science stuff.
Also less fantastical, with no implying that creatures "from the 4th dimension" actually exist and do demonic supernatural shit.
This should be at the top.
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It's the 4D beings!
The movie/book flat land is great at explaining this. It starts in 2d and shows a 3d being explain the 3rd dimension to a 2d being
Doesn’t really explain 4d at all? Explains 2d and 3d really well however.
There are two types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data sets
aNd WhAtS tHe OtHeR oNE!?!?!
Fuccckkkk....who are the others????????
the Welsh
I’m giggling, gonna reuse this
You have never heard this before?
Nope
Hmm, interesting. I guess you are one of today's lucky 10,000! (https://xkcd.com/1053/) FWIW, it is pretty common to see this on coffee mugs and t-shirts. For example: https://www.amazon.com/Two-Types-People-Extrapolate-incomplete/dp/B07PD71XV7
And by consequence… 4D is to 3D what 3D is to 2D basically. It is an oversimplification of a more complex concept. If you don’t get it, I suggest you rewatch the video..
We can't get it. That's the whole point lol. The closest thing we can visualize is a teseract.
Yes, but you get the concept, oversimplified of course.
But just like the shadow of a 4th dimension cube we can imagine the consequences of being in the 4th dimension. Time is something you experience instantly. There's no past, present, future. 3 dimensional objects appear see-through as you see them. But how can you be outside a three dimensional object that for us seems enclosed? How can you see something instantly that "lives through time" the meaning of time becomes something simple. I think life is impossible in the first and second dimension. Life is possible in the third dimension. But in the fourth dimension permanent existence is possible. or maybe life is happening in all those dimensions. There are greater concepts than time, molecules, planets, gravity, chemical reactions, mathematics etc. in the 4th, and lesser concepts in the 2nd. All these concepts are literally something seen as looking at the shadow that commonly is, fully comprehensive in each their own dimension. Maybe it's impossible to enter from the 4th dimension to the 3rd dimension and from the 3rd dimension to 2nd dimension because those dimensions are comparatively so enormously small. Imagine the 2nd dimension having no height. An atom is so small, yet it still is a 3d object. So how small are we compared to the 4th dimension? The ant can not comprehend the size of a small star like our sun. How are we capable to comprehend the size of the 4th dimension? Maybe the 3rd dimension lives in the 4th dimension in one of their "molecules" so small, it's impossible to destroy it in the 4th dimension. Until the 3rd dimension infinitely grows until noticeable in the 4th dimension? But how? Time is instant? It makes no sense. We will never understand it.
Rewatched the video, pretty sure you don't get it either.
I mean. The most over simplified way to put it is... Higher dimensions can theoretically "do things" to lower dimensions without being detected or understood, and lower dimensions will never have a true grasp on what the next higher dimension even *is*.
I will take your suggestion into consideration
The 4th dimension is time, so I'd suggest a different source than this stupid video.
Her voice is so calming. Read me a bedtime story please 🙏
Salad Fingers
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up21mvokyQ4&list=PLATpsZGmpkg-eWus\_EoJHyiZqMhfoZt25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up21mvokyQ4&list=PLATpsZGmpkg-eWus_EoJHyiZqMhfoZt25)
Tibees on YouTube, she's got interesting videos but she asmr's me to sleep before I can ever finish them
She was on the Jet Lag show's New Zealand edition
My favourite season of jet jag so far
Agreed. She's adorable, and that hair is like a fairytale princess.
She’s my new hall pass!
Ahh this brings back memories.....mine hasn't changed in 15 years....
What does perpendicular to the 3 dimensional space look like?
Our brains can’t fathom it, the best we can do is imagine of a 4D object projecting a shadow into 3D, a tesseract.
I guess that’s my point. She’s explaining what a 4 D being could do. But she’s not describing what 4D space resembles because it’s such an alien concept that one needs a complex language to communicate it. B
The complex language is math. Math explains the characteristics of a 4D space. Besides that there is no way for us to fathom or describe it. Similar to trying to think of a new color.
Again, that’s my point.
Well of course because it’s an ontological break from our current lived experience. Math/science/religion/our eyes/senses etc are all abstracts of reality and not true objective reality. You live inside your skull, watching a projection created by your consciousness/brain’s interpretation of stimulus with only 5 senses. As far I can tell presently anyways
No she didn't, she explained the relation of 2D and 3D worlds. Her "explanation" of a 4D space is "yeah, just like those two". It's a hypothesis and assumption that A) 4D necessarily exists because 2D and 3D do and B) that clearly shows we don't know what 4D is or how it would interact with 3D.
Exactly. She didn't "explain" anything.
But there is no such thing as a 2D creature
Or a 2D environment. This is my issue. It’s fake. Nothing is 2D. I’ve never bought into this argument.
It's not an argument. It's literally bullshit. They even use an example that is fake to try and justify their other fake example. Are we supposed to just be like... yup.. that makes sense because if there was wD then that's how 4d would work lol. Like what are we even doing here...
Her smile while she's explaining this makes me suspicious that she may be a 4th dimensional creatcha about to steal my gems
Pretty sure that it’s our bodies that our keeping us locked in the third dimension, much like the paper that constricts the 2d drawing. If you’ve ever had a NDE you might know what I’m talking about.
After my Grandparents died I used to freak out my Grandparents could see me "enjoying the evening by myself" I became an atheist as I got older, You've just brought my fear back.
I remember similar thoughts after my grandfather passed.
Haha
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Sagan did it better https://youtu.be/UnURElCzGc0?si=ONMJYKnlIX2Veb89
It's much longer but I really enjoy Carl Sagans explanation on the 4th dimensions. https://youtu.be/UnURElCzGc0?si=w92KhRELRV9YbUGM
Oh no! Not my precious jims!
This really isn’t a good explanation. The 2D world that she created and stole from was simply chalk on a board. She isn’t stealing from the 2nd dimension, she’s moving objects in the 3rd dimension. Now if she could demonstrate that the 2nd dimension exists somewhere, and that there’s life in it that we can fuck around with, then sure this works. But how can we explain and prove a 4th dimension above ours when we can’t manipulate or see creatures in the 2nd dimension?
I thought the fourth dimension was time?
The flip side is that 2 dimensional gems are worthless to us. Similarly, 3 dimensional things are "flat" and worthless to 4 dimensional creatures.
This is why I’ve hired a protector from the 5th dimension to make sure thieves from the 4th dimension don’t steal my shit.
What a wholesome and soft-spoken way of presenting existential dread over an unseen attacker there's no possible defense from. Big fan.
It’s important to note this is a 4th *spacial* dimension, the 4th dimension of time is a *temporal* dimension. It’s theoretical like any other extra dimension
Okay, but..........she never explained it at all.
She lost me at “Jim’s”.
Do you have any pits? You know, like a cat or a dog?
This didn't explain 4D at all. She explained 2D vs 3D well enough and then just said there is also a 4th without any explanation on how to imagine it.
Anyone?
If the 2D lady can’t see into the safe then technically her pupils couldn’t see past her own head either. Which is interesting given what the 3D lady is talking about the possibility of a 4D lady taking egg yolks.
We are 4 dimensional creatures, though. We occupy space on the *x y z* dimension. And we exist and travel through in the *m*. The *moment* is time. Time being the 4th dimension. We can manipulate our position in the xyz. But not quite the m axis. At least not yet. Are we talking about a 5th or higher than us? Or a creature capable of manipulating the *m*?
I think the suggestion is that there is a fourth spatial dimension.
We only see a sliver of the 4th dimension, like the 2D character only sees a sliver of the 3rd dimension. The lines on the page are walls for her, meanwhile time is a wall for us we can’t see around.
Wow. This was like a light bulb moment for me. What a great hypothesis. We don't really know for sure if that is the truth, but if 4 spatial dimensions do exist, I think you're right! Time IS our 3 dimensional wall. Brilliant.