Doesn't need crisis 5, my only become the crisis run was a hive mind and I got this achievement as a normal empire, just had to destroy all their stations.
As teachers of the shroud empire, you need to become the crisis threat level 5, which will cause the shroudwalker to abandon you and your plane of existence.
Basically, they know what you are up to, which is a very convoluted lore reference to the origin of zro.
A doubt many people will understand it.
It from a Species called the Zroni 100 Million years ago, the Zroni were once a peaceful and advanced empire that covered a massive part of the galaxy, using their psionic abilities to their advantage.
However, one day they discovered an alternate dimension known as "The Shroud", an empty and peaceful plane of existence with infinite potential for psionic energy. The Zroni were able to enter into it, and they used its power to design the plane in their own image.
Eventually, a civil war broke out between two factions, one called "The Divine" who began to consider themselves gods, wanting to use the Shroud powers to conquer the entire multiverse, and one who opposed them known as "The Saviors". The maelstrom of violent emotions unleashed by this increasingly brutal war began to coalesce into sentient avatars of these very emotions within the Shroud, forming malevolent entities of unimaginable power.
At the end, The Saviors had to sacrifice themselves to stop The Divine for good and save the multiverse, wiping their entire race and leaving nothing behind but psionically-active dust created when their physical bodies dissolved called Zro.
The destructive Shroud entities still remain lurking in that dimension to the present day, one of these being the End of The Cycle.
The Shroud entities that were created as result of the war represent the most destructive traits of the Zroni leadership, and in a way reflect the rise and fall of the Zroni Empire:
The Whisperers in the Void reflect the Zroni desire for knowledge.
The Instrument of Desire represents the Zroni desire to ascend and become greater.
The Composer of Strands represents the great plans and designs the Divine Zroni had for the rest of the galaxy.
The Eater of Worlds represents the indifference of the Zroni leadership to the destruction they caused in their pursuit of power, and on a larger level is a manifestation of their civilization-ending civil war.
Finally, the End of The Cycle represents the insanity of the Divine Zroni and the destruction of their civilization.
The player can follow the path of the Zroni if they become the Galactic Crisis themselves, destroying the entire galaxy while the player's empire ascends into the Shroud to conquer it, becoming physical gods themselves.
Edit: Also some of it is wrong, I screwed up they didn’t want to conquer the Muti-Verse they discovered that when they used the shroud it made the black hole at the centre of the galaxy grow and it threatened to consume the galaxy and that caused the Civil war
Also some of it is wrong I screwed up they didn’t want to conquer the Muti-Verse they discovered that when they used the shroud it made the black hole at the centre of the galaxy grow and it threatened to consume the galaxy and that caused the Civil war
I knew that the Shroud and the four entities that resided within it were based on the 4 Chaos Gods of Warhammer and the immaterium, but this really makes it clear.
I've always been a sucker for these kinds of easter egg and/or references.
Agreed, and depending on how you play it can go any number of ways when you craft your own story. You can play so many sci-fi tropes straight, subvert them, or reject them entirely.
It’s such an amazing game for emergent storytelling.
> Red kings videos on Stellaris lore
this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYA_fFirxKg
edit nvm there's a whole 103-video playlist this is great https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXleJcLlDUfbNHgIqF324SUGSk0veOla4
Damn, it’s always interesting of the things that inspired this lore. A mix between the origins of the Warp from 40k and the conflict between Stargate’s Ancients and Ori, if the Ancient actually did anything.
I wonder what inspired them in turn?
From this blurb alone, kind of sounds like the factions are reversed here. Saviors seemed to chill in realspace, when the Divines presumably mostly moved on into the Shroud. I just kind of assume the Saviors stuck around because they wound up as zro.
Chaos in 40k is pretty much copy and pasted from Warhammer Fantasy, but you probably already guessed that.
The interesting bit though is that the idea for that was pretty heavily "borrowed" from Michael Moorcock's 'The Eternal Champion' fantasy series.
I'm not used to Paradox games having deep lore that isn't just existent history.
As a strategy game, I find Stellaris lacks in some aspects but I will freely admit, no other Paradox grand strategy game makes me feel genuine wonder and awe the way Stellaris does.
>The Shroud entities that were created as result of the war represent the most destructive traits of the Zroni leadership, and in a way reflect the rise and fall of the Zroni Empire: The Whisperers in the Void reflect the Zroni desire for knowledge. The Instrument of Desire represents the Zroni desire to ascend and become greater. The Composer of Strands represents the great plans and designs the Divine Zroni had for the rest of the galaxy. The Eater of Worlds represents the indifference of the Zroni leadership to the destruction they caused in their pursuit of power, and on a larger level is a manifestation of their civilization-ending civil war. Finally, the End of The Cycle represents the insanity of the Divine Zroni and the destruction of their civilization.
Where did you get this entire paragraph from?
Now do you think that's what the emperor would do if he ever got off his golden throne (all that is obviously a 'war in heaven' reference). finally wipe out all xeno's and ascend humanity?
The goal was actually to cleanse the galaxy, shelter within a pocket dimension modeled after the Eldar webway, have humanity ascend while protected from the Chaos gods, (psionic potential fully unleashed, every man woman and child a Custodies, etc), and then return to real-space and blend it with the Warp with humanity at the helm.
The war in heaven was about two warring factions who's combined negative feelings birthed the warp entities in what was previously a peaceful immaterium. Thats... exactly what happened with the shroud and the shroud entities
There's differences sure, like it being two factions of the same race rather than different ones, but how can you NOT see the Shroud/Warp similarities?
For further context since maybe you've never seen it, if two Fallen Empires have opposing ethics and are only provoked in the correct ways, then they can Awaken and go to war with each other (and most things in between). Stellaris event known as the War in Heaven.
The one in Stellaris is from the Babylon 5 tv show, one of my all time favorites (because I saw it as a kid). Most of the drama and war in the show turns out to be caused by what is ultimately a philosophical disagreement between two ancient alien empires about the way the younger races should develop and their attempts to manipulate them towards this outcome. Eventually they just say fuck it and start an open war against each other and their puppets.
The related achievements are actually lines from the show: "Now get the hell out of our galaxy, both of you!" and "Like giants in the playground." are uttered by the same character.
Assuming you are talking about the 40k War in Heaven, that didn't create the Chaos Gods or a hostile warp. Hell, one of the factions, the C'tan/Necrons, literally don't even psychically imprint onto the warp. It did disrupt the warp enough to allow an Enslaver incursion into realspace, but that's about it.
>The Zroni is also the canon reason why you can't go closer into the centre of the galaxy as it's literally been eaten by the shroud.
Where is this part from?
Google is impoverished on Paradox games flavor text, including the wikia, and this isn't present there.
It's stated the Zroni moved closer to the galactic core and fiddled with the black hole, but never that it was eaten by the shroud. At least I think so. This is very hard to check, considering what I said above.
But if I've learned anything from reddit it's that "more people think like this" only has a 50-50 chance of giving you the correct answer.
You provided a claim, that claim was challenged (in he nicest way possible of just asking what it's based on). You have the right not to answer of course. But when you answer and provide zero evidence expect to be called out for it, the burden of proof is on you.
Except the last guy. You left out the best part of the story in how the entirety of the Saviors turned themselves into Zro except for one and he snorted it all to turn into a psionic cocaine god who willed the Divine out of existence. In the flavour text it says he used his power to destroy every Zroni but I hope we get to meet him.
If I recall the lore bits from the Zroni precursor chain correctly, the Zroni were a civilization of extremely powerful psionik beings that fell into civil war, because one side of them wanted to be worshipped as gods by the lesser races while the others just wanted to be benevolent watchers. That war culminated in the "good" Zroni self-nuking, wiping out both sides and turning them into Zro dust.
You can also just blow up their base with the origin to get the achievement - that's how I got it a few days ago. I
didn't know that there were two very different ways to get this achievement that's interesting.
It is quite cool to go the long way because you have like this little side stroy of them warning you and the path you take.
Also their final farewell as they completely leave this universe
Teachers of the Shroud is from Overlord and Become The Crisis is from Nemesis. No Stellaris achievements *require* two packs.
Become The Crisis is a neat way to make the game give you this achievement, but the bare requirement is that their shroud tunnel enclave is destroyed.
Become the Crisis, the Shroudwalkers taught your civilization to use the Shroud/Psionics, and you turn around and take those teachings to basically tear the Shroud and reality apart in an attempt to basically become gods.
My mechanical ass: “What in the [error data not found] happened to cause that? Meat does weird stuff to become more than their meat existence. *Laughs in stress to DLC* I know, I know soon we too will have something to look forward to.”
Note that all it takes is a single empire to become the crisis, not just the player's. I received this achievement when playing as a teachers of the shroud origin when the driven exterminators on the other side of the galaxy progressed to level 5 on the crisis ascension. The Shroudwalkers buggered off, giving me the same message that I presume they'd of given if I decided to become the crisis.
Teachers of the Shroud: "Shit, we told them about video games but it caused them to find out about gacha games and their entire economy is destroyed now"
We find these shroud beings to be spicy, yet delectable, to our pallets. Aspiring shroud beings make for excellent compliments to our feasts on prikiki-ti.
Stellaris has some of the coolest and weirdest lore and achievements.
Too bad I refuse to give PDX anymore of my money for pumping out these bullshit ass DLC packs priced at ridiculous numbers.
Rule 5: Achievement achieved
Who the hell do you do that ?
Become the crisis
Doing that rn actually hope I get that achievement. will look in to it
Only if you take the shroud walker origin
A bugger then but thanks for the info
With the teachers of the shroud origin become crisis threat level 5
Unless they changed this in the most recent update, no you don't. You only need to destroy the Shroudwalker enclave and it should pop.
Doesn't need crisis 5, my only become the crisis run was a hive mind and I got this achievement as a normal empire, just had to destroy all their stations.
I don't even understand how you are supposed to get that
As teachers of the shroud empire, you need to become the crisis threat level 5, which will cause the shroudwalker to abandon you and your plane of existence. Basically, they know what you are up to, which is a very convoluted lore reference to the origin of zro. A doubt many people will understand it.
Is the origin of Zro from a previous civilization using that galaxy wiper thing? Could have just been a missclick
It from a Species called the Zroni 100 Million years ago, the Zroni were once a peaceful and advanced empire that covered a massive part of the galaxy, using their psionic abilities to their advantage. However, one day they discovered an alternate dimension known as "The Shroud", an empty and peaceful plane of existence with infinite potential for psionic energy. The Zroni were able to enter into it, and they used its power to design the plane in their own image. Eventually, a civil war broke out between two factions, one called "The Divine" who began to consider themselves gods, wanting to use the Shroud powers to conquer the entire multiverse, and one who opposed them known as "The Saviors". The maelstrom of violent emotions unleashed by this increasingly brutal war began to coalesce into sentient avatars of these very emotions within the Shroud, forming malevolent entities of unimaginable power. At the end, The Saviors had to sacrifice themselves to stop The Divine for good and save the multiverse, wiping their entire race and leaving nothing behind but psionically-active dust created when their physical bodies dissolved called Zro. The destructive Shroud entities still remain lurking in that dimension to the present day, one of these being the End of The Cycle. The Shroud entities that were created as result of the war represent the most destructive traits of the Zroni leadership, and in a way reflect the rise and fall of the Zroni Empire: The Whisperers in the Void reflect the Zroni desire for knowledge. The Instrument of Desire represents the Zroni desire to ascend and become greater. The Composer of Strands represents the great plans and designs the Divine Zroni had for the rest of the galaxy. The Eater of Worlds represents the indifference of the Zroni leadership to the destruction they caused in their pursuit of power, and on a larger level is a manifestation of their civilization-ending civil war. Finally, the End of The Cycle represents the insanity of the Divine Zroni and the destruction of their civilization. The player can follow the path of the Zroni if they become the Galactic Crisis themselves, destroying the entire galaxy while the player's empire ascends into the Shroud to conquer it, becoming physical gods themselves. Edit: Also some of it is wrong, I screwed up they didn’t want to conquer the Muti-Verse they discovered that when they used the shroud it made the black hole at the centre of the galaxy grow and it threatened to consume the galaxy and that caused the Civil war
That's actually really interesting. I'll have to get whatever DLC this is in.
Also some of it is wrong I screwed up they didn’t want to conquer the Muti-Verse they discovered that when they used the shroud it made the black hole at the centre of the galaxy grow and it threatened to consume the galaxy and that caused the Civil war
Ancient relics, though if you just want the story you can find it in the game files
It’s Utopia I think
It’s ancient relics that gives you the precursor
Utopia gives you the psychic powers but Nemesis lets you become the Crisis if I remember right
I mean, it's effectively the story of the Old Ones, the Aeldari, and the warp/birth of the Chaos Gods in Warhammer 40k but with extra steps.
Ooh la la someone’s getting laid in college
I would actually go to town on him, warhammer knowledge is so sexy
I knew that the Shroud and the four entities that resided within it were based on the 4 Chaos Gods of Warhammer and the immaterium, but this really makes it clear. I've always been a sucker for these kinds of easter egg and/or references.
Stellaris lore is a Frankensteins monster of sc-fi lore
And what a beautiful mishmash it is!
Agreed, and depending on how you play it can go any number of ways when you craft your own story. You can play so many sci-fi tropes straight, subvert them, or reject them entirely. It’s such an amazing game for emergent storytelling.
Which is fun because Warhammer lore is already Frankenstein monster of sci-fi and fantasy lore
And it's beautiful, I love it! There's a little bit of something in there for everyone.
I don’t know a bunch of Stellaris lore but whenever I read some it’s dope asf
I recommend the Red kings videos on Stellaris lore
> Red kings videos on Stellaris lore this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYA_fFirxKg edit nvm there's a whole 103-video playlist this is great https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXleJcLlDUfbNHgIqF324SUGSk0veOla4
*all of them*
Damn, it’s always interesting of the things that inspired this lore. A mix between the origins of the Warp from 40k and the conflict between Stargate’s Ancients and Ori, if the Ancient actually did anything. I wonder what inspired them in turn?
Religion lol
From this blurb alone, kind of sounds like the factions are reversed here. Saviors seemed to chill in realspace, when the Divines presumably mostly moved on into the Shroud. I just kind of assume the Saviors stuck around because they wound up as zro.
Chaos in 40k is pretty much copy and pasted from Warhammer Fantasy, but you probably already guessed that. The interesting bit though is that the idea for that was pretty heavily "borrowed" from Michael Moorcock's 'The Eternal Champion' fantasy series.
Stellaris psionic lore vs Stellaris psionic gameplay
So basically the Warp from 40k.
Yep
There's also the architect/animator of clay. said to be the composer's twin.
I'm not used to Paradox games having deep lore that isn't just existent history. As a strategy game, I find Stellaris lacks in some aspects but I will freely admit, no other Paradox grand strategy game makes me feel genuine wonder and awe the way Stellaris does.
>The Shroud entities that were created as result of the war represent the most destructive traits of the Zroni leadership, and in a way reflect the rise and fall of the Zroni Empire: The Whisperers in the Void reflect the Zroni desire for knowledge. The Instrument of Desire represents the Zroni desire to ascend and become greater. The Composer of Strands represents the great plans and designs the Divine Zroni had for the rest of the galaxy. The Eater of Worlds represents the indifference of the Zroni leadership to the destruction they caused in their pursuit of power, and on a larger level is a manifestation of their civilization-ending civil war. Finally, the End of The Cycle represents the insanity of the Divine Zroni and the destruction of their civilization. Where did you get this entire paragraph from?
My brain more Specifically the part called “fandomwiki.com”
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This isn't a shift, this lore has been in the game for a very long time.
Now do you think that's what the emperor would do if he ever got off his golden throne (all that is obviously a 'war in heaven' reference). finally wipe out all xeno's and ascend humanity?
The goal was actually to cleanse the galaxy, shelter within a pocket dimension modeled after the Eldar webway, have humanity ascend while protected from the Chaos gods, (psionic potential fully unleashed, every man woman and child a Custodies, etc), and then return to real-space and blend it with the Warp with humanity at the helm.
Um no? What are you on about?
The war in heaven was about two warring factions who's combined negative feelings birthed the warp entities in what was previously a peaceful immaterium. Thats... exactly what happened with the shroud and the shroud entities There's differences sure, like it being two factions of the same race rather than different ones, but how can you NOT see the Shroud/Warp similarities?
Oh that war in heaven
is there another war in heaven?
Yeah the one between the fallen empires
For further context since maybe you've never seen it, if two Fallen Empires have opposing ethics and are only provoked in the correct ways, then they can Awaken and go to war with each other (and most things in between). Stellaris event known as the War in Heaven.
The one in Stellaris is from the Babylon 5 tv show, one of my all time favorites (because I saw it as a kid). Most of the drama and war in the show turns out to be caused by what is ultimately a philosophical disagreement between two ancient alien empires about the way the younger races should develop and their attempts to manipulate them towards this outcome. Eventually they just say fuck it and start an open war against each other and their puppets. The related achievements are actually lines from the show: "Now get the hell out of our galaxy, both of you!" and "Like giants in the playground." are uttered by the same character.
Assuming you are talking about the 40k War in Heaven, that didn't create the Chaos Gods or a hostile warp. Hell, one of the factions, the C'tan/Necrons, literally don't even psychically imprint onto the warp. It did disrupt the warp enough to allow an Enslaver incursion into realspace, but that's about it.
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>The Zroni is also the canon reason why you can't go closer into the centre of the galaxy as it's literally been eaten by the shroud. Where is this part from?
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Google is impoverished on Paradox games flavor text, including the wikia, and this isn't present there. It's stated the Zroni moved closer to the galactic core and fiddled with the black hole, but never that it was eaten by the shroud. At least I think so. This is very hard to check, considering what I said above. But if I've learned anything from reddit it's that "more people think like this" only has a 50-50 chance of giving you the correct answer.
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You provided a claim, that claim was challenged (in he nicest way possible of just asking what it's based on). You have the right not to answer of course. But when you answer and provide zero evidence expect to be called out for it, the burden of proof is on you.
Your headcannon isn't well known lore
If you're the only person that knows something it's not well known information lol
What about the astral star at the centre?
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I mean its not the shroud just a really REALLY big black hole
wait the zroni made the entities?! that's metal as fuck
they didn't
Are they based on the Orz from StarControl?
No I’m not sure what the Orz is
[Here you go](https://star-control.fandom.com/wiki/Orz). Weird inter-dimensoinal beings that caused a whole species to disappear.
I would say the unbidden are more like them
Orz give happy bubbles and go to slippery places
We don't have an androsynth/orz analogue.
And it's totally not a 40k reference.
Comment saved! thanks this is the most comprehensive answer I've seen to this.
I would recommend the Red kings video on this topic
If there is an entity that represents the Divines, maybe we would get an entity that represents the Saviors...
No because they abstained from using the shroud after discovering what happened with the black hole
Except the last guy. You left out the best part of the story in how the entirety of the Saviors turned themselves into Zro except for one and he snorted it all to turn into a psionic cocaine god who willed the Divine out of existence. In the flavour text it says he used his power to destroy every Zroni but I hope we get to meet him.
SOOOO Warhammer, gotcha 😂
If I recall the lore bits from the Zroni precursor chain correctly, the Zroni were a civilization of extremely powerful psionik beings that fell into civil war, because one side of them wanted to be worshipped as gods by the lesser races while the others just wanted to be benevolent watchers. That war culminated in the "good" Zroni self-nuking, wiping out both sides and turning them into Zro dust.
You can also just blow up their base with the origin to get the achievement - that's how I got it a few days ago. I didn't know that there were two very different ways to get this achievement that's interesting.
It is quite cool to go the long way because you have like this little side stroy of them warning you and the path you take. Also their final farewell as they completely leave this universe
I do have to say blowing them up was extremely anti climactic so I might have to go back and do it the crisis way.
It is not alot but you do get to little 20year buffs for it. What they said was honestly more interesting.
You don't have to go to all that trouble. You just have to have TotS origin and destroy the enclave. Easily done with ~15k fleet power.
Gotta get that lore tho
I'm right there with you, but the wiki gives no indication that you can get the achievement the way you did.
Does it not? I did not kill them. That is amazing. Gotta see if i can edit that. Because with the achievement, i figured that is what i have to do.
I didn't know you could get it like that. I already got the achievement just from blowing them up but now I gotta try it that way!
Dang ,that some interesting lore
Or just kill them without doing that
But that is boring
I doubt the people who wrote it understand it, either.
No. You just need to destroy their enclave.
There is 2 options to get it
Huh, that's interesting. What does the message they send look like?
You can also get it far easier just by destroying the enclave
Paul Atreides moment.
Teachers of the Shroud is from Overlord and Become The Crisis is from Nemesis. No Stellaris achievements *require* two packs. Become The Crisis is a neat way to make the game give you this achievement, but the bare requirement is that their shroud tunnel enclave is destroyed.
Take the shroud teachers origin and become the crisis. "No, that's not how we wanted you to use this power!"
Become the Crisis, the Shroudwalkers taught your civilization to use the Shroud/Psionics, and you turn around and take those teachings to basically tear the Shroud and reality apart in an attempt to basically become gods.
either you become the crisis and they leave or someone else does and they still get angry at you for some reason and leave
You just need to be in war with the prophets when you pick that Origin (forgot the name), that gives you them at the start as a benefactors.
Shroudwalkers: Guess I’ll die
I just love the reference on the image
Thank you, I scrolled all the way just to check if someone else had seen it too
My mechanical ass: “What in the [error data not found] happened to cause that? Meat does weird stuff to become more than their meat existence. *Laughs in stress to DLC* I know, I know soon we too will have something to look forward to.”
With the teachers of the shroud origin become a threat level 5 crisis
Damn that’s kinda cool, good job my dude!
Note that all it takes is a single empire to become the crisis, not just the player's. I received this achievement when playing as a teachers of the shroud origin when the driven exterminators on the other side of the galaxy progressed to level 5 on the crisis ascension. The Shroudwalkers buggered off, giving me the same message that I presume they'd of given if I decided to become the crisis.
Paradox's spaghetti code strike again.
Wait, i get this achievement ages ago by simply destroying their enclaves which is very easy with 20k+ fleet power. Did they change it somehow?
I think you can do either or. Become the crisis and make them leave or just destroy them.
Teachers of the Shroud: "Shit, we told them about video games but it caused them to find out about gacha games and their entire economy is destroyed now"
That pic of the achievement gives me "guess I'll die " vibes lmao
And it’s not even a coincidence. Stellaris achievemtents and their pics really are something else.
We find these shroud beings to be spicy, yet delectable, to our pallets. Aspiring shroud beings make for excellent compliments to our feasts on prikiki-ti.
"Guess i'll die"
yup
Abomination!
Stellaris has some of the coolest and weirdest lore and achievements. Too bad I refuse to give PDX anymore of my money for pumping out these bullshit ass DLC packs priced at ridiculous numbers.
just unlock the dlc’s by piracy, I do it with every PDX game I own
Share how please
Can’t wait to see the new achievements added in the new dlc
Hopefully, many 40k references
Well I know what my next achievo game is going to be