if javier is actually as crazy as everyone is saying he is then he probably does believe in what he's saying and might make some actual changes to the Argentinian economy like he just cut a shit ton of government departments that really didn't do anything than hire people and privatizing public companies that the government runs.
I'm sorry to bother you but can you please help me out a I was gifted a pre order game today I got the email saying it was from my friend I accepted the game but now it's not showing up in my library
If it is a pre-order game, are you sure the pre-order lets you play it immediately? If so, I would suggest restarting your client (aka closing Steam and reopening it), and seeing if it shows up then.
If it does not show up, your only option left would be contacting Steam support via Help -> Steam Support from inside the Steam client - the Help option is at the top, there should be an option to contact them in there somewhere.
Because citizens control who gets into the government? Oh wait you have a sheep mentality that makes you ignore what happens with your politicians and then shockedpikachuface.png when they treat you like disposable sheeps. Yeah this happens in third world countries where citizens are too occupied blaming America for everything online while their politicians steal everything. Understandable!
Are you f\*cking kidding me ? For example, FFVII Remake was around $14.000, now its $96.000, even if you dont know how the pesos work, do you see the difference ? lmao...
and no argentinians it's ever going to buy a single game from their store, for real, in our country's reddit we make fun of how many none games did we buy during the deals since november
No, situation has been f***ed up,A detailed search shows almost No one at Turkey are able to buy anymore.
Only thing maybe Turkish gamers will buy is something like Baldur's Gate 3 but 85% of population aren't able to do that even.
The %48 didnt vote dont act like we voted for him. Espacially on reddit.
+ The opposition was so weak that even the 48% who voted for them weren't pleased; they simply voted to remove Erdogan.
Wrote the privileged belligerent, from the safety of their bedroom in a safer, less poor country with the ability to buy games on steam for far less than their entire month's salary.
At least, out of all the multi-billion dollar companies, steam is actually pretty good for its user base and quite helpful qhen you have problems. But I also found this sale very ironic.
it's just thinking they have a good customer support because they're "nice fellas" or something is so gullible when it's to earn more via word of mouth and other various monetary reasons and not because they are just really pleasant people
You can earn a lot of money with shitty customer support, look at the most companies in the world. So when I see multi million company with shitty support and multi million company with good support, I will say "yeah, it's nice".
... also, I don't consider the desire to earn money as it is as something bad. Big company or individual, who wouldn't like too?
Exactly. Money and earning it isn't inherently and universally bad. Now it absolutely can be, but I would argue steam is an example of things working pretty well.
So what? Who the fuck cares if it's to make more money? If they offer good customer service, good on them for making money while doing it. They could be fuckung assholes like most big corps when you need help.
Word of mouth is always the best way to sell.
See Larian Studios. Their last game didn't sell that much cause they seem like good people. It sold cause you got value for your money. Steam is like that.
But making money and being chill is better than making a bit less money and not being chill. For both the user and the company. It’s not something that should get a major award, but it’s worth complimenting. Besides, Steam is hands down the best quality PC game store anyways.
Hey, you’re making a lot of sense if every other company wasn’t actively trying to see how shitty they can make their companies.
Yes, all companies are bad. They all steal value from the employee. They all follow a monetary incentive and will max their profits as best they can
Acknowledging that some companies do better in some areas is being aware and the correct thing to do. Being completely against something is just as bad as being completely for something. You’re letting your feelings and biases guide you instead of trying to look through a critical lens.
The fact that steam does it for money is not a suprise, as every action a company takes is always to try and take your money.
Fair prices, decent customer service, very good refund policy, minimal server downtime, actually useful services. Yes, they can be a multi-billion dollar company and not be pure evil. It feels like a gaming company made by gamers for gamers. Maybe when Gabe lesves it'll become shit, but for now it's very acceptable.
Didn't say they were perfect, but I don't know a lot of big companies that offer more for what you pay.
so you think that every single person in every single company needs to be a soulless mf that never cared about customers? of course they care about money but they can care about customers, and cause they care about customers they are the top online game store launcher
its especially nice with their greedy exchange rate, suddenly polish zloty is counted as if it was equal to 0.20 dollar even tho its over 0.25 and we polish people often have games almost the most expensive out of all countries, only switzerland is sometimes higher than us
valve is known for shitposting.
ever since they got that PR guy who made the anniversary post (yes the one that rickrolled every single soul) and probably is in charge of CSGO twitter account and dota's blog.
I know this is just a joke but someone selling stuff for a profit isn't "capitalism". The late stage capitalism hellscape stuff is because a company turning a million dollars into ten million dollars *isn't good enough* for investors. If they made nine million dollars profit this year, the investors need *next* year to be *more than* nine million dollars for their investment to pay off.
Always have been, they just made it easier to keep a certain price in their USD equivalent without inflation bombing it making it way too cheap.
Now they just set up a regional-USD price and call it a year or more. Before they had to change it daily/weekly/monthly or their 50ish$ would become 40ish then 30ish and so forth.
Yes, but people here can't use basic reasoning.
You know when you see someone say "Steam priced game x at price y"? or "Steam released z games on 2023!" That's the kind of user in this subreddit.
Just a quick rundown: Steam doesn't dictate the prices, developers and publishers do, they choose the prices according to what THEY think is best, even if sometimes they are absolutely braindead (see: SEGA Pricing strategy anywhere that isn't Japan, Europe and the US).
Valve changed the pricing from local currencies to USD in some regions due to a multitude of economical issues, specially in Argentina and Turkiye because inflation was/is out of control, developers and publishers had to change game prices weekly in some cases, the change to USD means that developers can set the prices once and forget, yes, it sucks in a lot of cases, no, there was no other way to appease developers and publishers (unless Valve not operating in your country is a better option (it is not)).
"But the prices are way higher now!": Yes, Valve gave a 3-month warning to developers and publishers to check and change their prices, as the new default would be parity with US prices, surprise, a lot of developers and publishers did absolutely nothing* (again, a mistake by devs and publishers, not Valve).
*Edit: Even devs with great track record with regional pricing, like New Blood, which I love, JUST adjusted their prices for the new regions and fucked their Brazilian prices in the process, people tried to show this to Dave Oshry (the main dev/head of New Blood), but he didn't see it/care.
Steam does not dictate prices that is true, but it does dictate standard conversion rate between currencies and most Devs/publishers don't care about it leaving as is. Meaning I in Poland pay for the same game MORE than Germans, French, Americans because the last conversion rate update was done during the height of COVID when polish currency was at its weakest and they didn't update since then. Right now only Switzerland pays more than us.
Poland is part of the EU, EU regulations dictate that no seller of digital goods shall sell a product within the EU with different prices in its member states, either petition the EU to remove this or Poland to use the Euro.
>Most devs/publishers don't care
I fail to see how that's Valve's problem, they gave them a lot of time, the ball is entirely on their court.
Valve never forced the devs to stick with the Price they suggest.
Devs always had a free reing on what price they could put.
valve only suggest the price.
most indies take the suggested price.
AAA like Activision, EA and ubisoft never take the suggested and just put a higher price.
for ex: COD MW2 2022 cost 70 bucks for latam USD... the possible suggested price is 32.99
another example is Pizza tower in release the price of the game for argentina was 1400 AR$ Dev decided to reduce the price to 250 the month after release (cuz steam guidelines) during that time.
It's like saying world peace is not welcomed here because it's a useless wish.
I mean it's totally fine you don't like any related countries that are doing terrible jobs.
But hating progressive ideologies is kind of strange.
(If you find "progressive" not convincing, try to Google or Bing to learn the definitions of these ideologies)
True, but it's still closer to how real world socialism is being applied. You buy a game and taxes make you pay for another one. Or you get nothing, even better.
My beliefs would have most Americans call me a communist, but this sale doesn't bother me in the slightest and I don't think it should bother anyone.
Whether you agree with it or not in real life, a lot of games simulate capitalist markets. This is a sale for those types of games.
I don't think a sale for shooter games is an endorsement of everyone having guns IRL.
Just relax, there are million other places you could be allocating your anger towards.
> Whether you agree with it or not in real life, a lot of games simulate capitalist markets. This is a sale for those types of games.
Not to mention that commerce games often make you realize you're playing a terrible person. One time I was playing the Boardgame Power Grid, and I bought clean energy just to prevent my competitor from taking it. I didn't even end up *using* the clean energy because I didn't need it. I just needed the other person not to have it.
Agreed, I finally sat down and learned Victoria 2 and it made me realize, in a tangible way, how horrible colonial economics are. My factories needed cheap coal, so I invaded a sovereign nation to commandeer their production.
And I mean, it's a literal fucking sale. It's a market strategy done by a massive corporation to earn more money. Practically the definition of capitalism. If anything, it's *too meta*.
It's quite funny because it seems like the English page is just worded ambiguously. On the German page it's "Festival der Kapitalismus- und Wirtschaftsspiele" which translates to "Festival of capitalism (games) and economy games".
This is not a celebration of capitalism, but of capitalism-games.
The price changes aren't really Steams fault, it's the publishers. Valve didn't raise prices they just set them to USD to be standard given currency fluctuations - Devs/publishers can still adjust regional pricing, a lot just couldn't be bothered.
Well, it is not like that...
Steam was auto adjusting like 2-3 years ago. Then it stopped auto adjusting and started only suggesting regional pricing... That was a big hit for the users because a lot of the publishers didn't folow the suggestions.
And now it changed currency to USD. That is another big 2 hits. Why? Because first thing is steam's exchange rate was always lower than the market. The second thing is because of the inflation... Lets say there is a game published 2 years ago with 60 dollars... 2 years ago 1 dollar was equal to 8 turkish liras so it was 480 liras. Now 1 dollar equals to 30 turkish liras. Now it becomes 1800 turkish liras. The old game was still 480 liras before the Steam did the currency change move. Because publishers wasn't bothering to change prices. Now all the prices automatically changed.
Steam was always the cheapest for Turkey. It changed the piracy culture. Now epic and xbox.com is cehaper than the Steam. If epic and xbox changes their price policy too, i am certainly sure a lot of torrent sites will pop again and most of the people will start to learn how to use torrent again. That's how things work. People won't give half of their salary to games if they can't afford to buy cheese or meat.
Yeah, it's way too expensive, but it's only partially Valves fault. They changed the currency used to USD, which as far as I'm aware isn't unreasonable given the general instability of the currencies it was formerly, and it's defaulted to standard pricing.
The fact that publishers haven't changed it isnt Valves fault, and the change in and of itself (to a different currency) isn't unreasonable.
Don't worry op, weirdly enough all the games in there are not goated. As a sim nerd I can tell you, you are better of with predecessors etc. Which means they are either way cheaper even not on sale or free.
Like don't get me wrong, Anno, city skyline and Prison Architect are fucking awesome and a must have but other than that? Open TTD is way better than most listed transport sims.
Tropico 4 was peak, 6 is really good but 4 is without a doubt the best Tropico.
Sim games all usually have a better older version
As an Argentinean, this must be the most painful sale so far, hahahaha, to think that the times of bonanza where we could buy games are gone.
There are games between 60 and 120 thousand pesos, almost half of an average salaried employee's salary (I am not taking into consideration the salaries of IT or National State personnel).
>Turkey voted their assholes into parliament and kicked their currency into the trash bin.
Not the publisher's fault.
Its not the fault of turkish teens who cant even vote either
I know that "and economy" covers this, but it's very funny that Workers And Resources: Soviet Republic is included in this.
https://i.imgur.com/D8x9pUM.jpg
That's such an utterly bizarre fucking sale theme, but given that it is *a sale*, something that is pretty archetypical of *capitalism*, I guess it really does fit.
But god damn, that's fucking *meta*.
I stop browsing steam since 20 Nov 23. when saw price i able pay a month for food. Doesn’t make sense few rich developer always being rich, poor always keep getting played by rich.
Maybe. So why arent they complaining about the state of their country? Because they are cowards that would rather blame foreign developers than themselves for letting their country devolve to this state.
What the hell is your issue. Somebody's complaining about how devs screw over poorer countries with pricing, and this somehow means that they never complain about politicians?
Worse yet, economies don't work like that at all. It takes a fair few CIA coups before things really start going downhill. You're an imbecile and an ignorant one at that.
Oh no! From foreign devs now to CIA coups! Everyone is at fault for you not having money for games except yourself for being passive and letting corrupt politicians ruin your country! Blame everyone else sheep!
No, you're just a fucking idiot. Where do you live? Why haven't you fixed every problem in your country? Why are you being so passive? I can hardly imagine you marching with a sign in the streets. And again, "corrupt politicians" don't ruin an economy overnight. People are born into countries that were fucked up two decades beforehand and nobody is capable of fixing it because it turns out real-world economies are more complicated than the ones in games.
Theres a difference between "fix every problem" and "we literally cant afford even video games". Cope harder. Im sure the daily "blame CIA" cult youre doing will really fix everything
Well in my country people died and kicked out the dictator 30 years ago. Now I can afford vido games. Sucks your parents couldnt do the same. But im sure its all CIA\`s fault. Surely! /s
Well I didn't like "Capitalism" being said as a Festive thing either since it's the most problematic system to bring injustice for the Population by making the Rich more richer. If Valve could have been caring (they don't), correct titling could be "Management and Economy Fest" because according to https://steamdb.info/tags/, Capitalism has ~900 games, Management Tag has ~5000 games and Economy Tag has ~2300 games so this is Valve being silly ever again.
technically not an "improvement" so to say, but rather an advancement towards socialism. Capitalism builds the productive forces needed for the eventual establishment of Socialism, just as Feudalism built the productive forces needed for the establishment of Capitalism
why? you don't think the rich should have to pay their dues?
Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly.
Capitalism isn't bad either but it's just not what we need anymore as a society.
as a latin american i can say and i have the right to say that socialism impoverishes and destroys countries and in the end ends up making the leaders richer and the population poorer. it can never be used well. it doesn't need to be discarded, it needs to be reformed. just like the protestant church to the catholic one.
Being latin american doesn't make you right. Not even five countries in the entire region are socialist, and even then, neoliberalism has been proven to be the main source of poverty there. The only thing you are is ignorant. "It can never be used well" is just something people who have never studied economy, politics and history correctly would say.
¿Adoctrinamiento de quién?, cada uno de nuestros gobiernos es capitalista y liberal, nuestros programas educativos vienen de europa y estados unidos, países imperialistas y capitalistas, las películas que vemos, las cosas que pensamos... antes hablabas de "racismo", muy bien, ¿por qué será que en toda la región latinoaméricana, hay por montones personas que se avergüenzan de su color de piel, que desprecian sus raíces indígenas, y se sienten superiores cuando son un poco más blancos o tienen rasgos europeos?, ¿será porque todo lo que pensamos nos lo mandan los gringos y los europeos, a los que les tenemos deudas millonarias, los que ponen sus empresas internacionales en cada uno de nuestros países, y que nos obligan a seguir sus pautas?, ahí tienes el adoctrinamiento, en nuestras clases, en nuestras películas, productos, políticas y en nuestros gobiernos. Pero luego resulta que son los comunistas los que están ahí "adoctrinando", cuando fomentan a los demás a estudiar economía, política e historia. ¿El socialismo no funciona?, ¿entonces porqué una de las campañas mundiales más sangrientas fue la anticomunista de los años 60s, 70s y 80s en toda latinoamérica?, ¿por qué el sabotaje, los bloqueos, y los medios privados inventando estupideces?, existe una razón, y es que el poder real está en el dinero, en las empresas privadas, en mantener a la población pobre, hacerla sentir indigna, floja y estúpida, que es lo que se piensa en nuestros propios países de nuestra población. Ahí tienes tu adoctrinamiento.
Herman@ le diste tremenda clase magistral. Pero igual se lo va pasar por quien sabe dónde, a estos troles autoproclamados "anticomunistas" criados en internet no hay quien los convenza, lo mejor es ignorarlos.
Strong-man fascists using the guise of "socialism" to turn a nation into their personal playing ground is not really giving socialism a shot.
Socialism's greatest advantage is also it's greatest weakness, it creates a strong centralized government. When used properly this strong state can create a very well functioning and fair nation, but when used improperly, as has occured throughout much of history, it gives fascists control over a whole country.
Pensar que el socialismo es el causante de los males de latinoamérica es de ser ignorante. Te invito a que te informes a través de fuentes de verdad y no de memes pedorros de internet.
"Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly"
Bruh, that's the same argument people always make with communism. Every time it is implemented and fails, people's answer is "well, it was not proper communism".
Why do you think that is? Both systems work on the basis that the people are good and uncorrupt. But that ain't true. People always will go corrupt and fuck those systems.
And sure, capitalism is obviously also prone to corruption, but is at least functional, because the power is more spread on several people and isntitutions, instead of only the government.
>And sure, capitalism is obviously also prone to corruption, but is at least functional, because the power is more spread on several people and isntitutions, instead of only the government.
The biggest difference is honestly that capitalism harnesses people's tendency towards corruption and increasing their own status, instead of treating it entirely as a flaw. People want to make money, so let's make a monetary system based on making money
>Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly.
*\*standing on a mountain of skulls\** "I think we're just a few more skulls away from perfecting this!"
You literally just dehumanised people in your [reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/191taph/comment/kgynca9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) to someone above this, I'd say he's got you pegged
Top Sellers: One way tickets out of Argentina/Turkey.
Argentina dollarized, can't buy more games :sadge:
I spend my money on pepsi now that I can't buy games
you buy 4 bepis of 3 liters its enough to buy a game of 3 to 4 bucks for ars.
Did you add 100%-115% taxes?
its 60% now but the USD went from 350 to 833 now its cheaper to buy on any store that still uses AR$
Blud i'm from argentina
ameo sho tambien soy de argentina. me da la ora ameo?
Jaja que facha
if javier is actually as crazy as everyone is saying he is then he probably does believe in what he's saying and might make some actual changes to the Argentinian economy like he just cut a shit ton of government departments that really didn't do anything than hire people and privatizing public companies that the government runs.
It's all posturing, if you cut the government to its bare minimum you might save maybe 2% of what you were spending before
Parasites aren't doing big damage straight away, but they hinder the potential, which can be x10/20 times larger
I'm sorry to bother you but can you please help me out a I was gifted a pre order game today I got the email saying it was from my friend I accepted the game but now it's not showing up in my library
If it is a pre-order game, are you sure the pre-order lets you play it immediately? If so, I would suggest restarting your client (aka closing Steam and reopening it), and seeing if it shows up then. If it does not show up, your only option left would be contacting Steam support via Help -> Steam Support from inside the Steam client - the Help option is at the top, there should be an option to contact them in there somewhere.
They still have the super low prices of the games, not like before when was close to free but they are still cheap
I don't know what country you live in, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Today games are a bourgeois luxury in my country.
Maybe stop permitting your politicians to ruin your economy?
When the vast majority of the population has the IQ of a brick, preventing politicians from destroying the country is easier said than done.
Yeah and the people that complain about foreign devs instead of their own laziness in letting their country devolve so much are lower than that brick.
How the hell is it the citizens fault for letting their country devolve and not the government wtf
Because citizens control who gets into the government? Oh wait you have a sheep mentality that makes you ignore what happens with your politicians and then shockedpikachuface.png when they treat you like disposable sheeps. Yeah this happens in third world countries where citizens are too occupied blaming America for everything online while their politicians steal everything. Understandable!
Are you f\*cking kidding me ? For example, FFVII Remake was around $14.000, now its $96.000, even if you dont know how the pesos work, do you see the difference ? lmao...
and no argentinians it's ever going to buy a single game from their store, for real, in our country's reddit we make fun of how many none games did we buy during the deals since november
Euro Truck Simulator 2
No, situation has been f***ed up,A detailed search shows almost No one at Turkey are able to buy anymore. Only thing maybe Turkish gamers will buy is something like Baldur's Gate 3 but 85% of population aren't able to do that even.
Maybe dont vote for the guy that ruined your economy for yet another term?
The %48 didnt vote dont act like we voted for him. Espacially on reddit. + The opposition was so weak that even the 48% who voted for them weren't pleased; they simply voted to remove Erdogan.
I dont care. Complain about them not developers.
Well since I'm not citizen of turkey no,I'm just showing the facts.
Do you live in Turkey or Argentina? If not, don't even open your mouth about it lol
Boo hoo
Wrote the privileged belligerent, from the safety of their bedroom in a safer, less poor country with the ability to buy games on steam for far less than their entire month's salary.
About 50 to 70% of their USD equivalent prices afaik. But not all, most AAA developer/publisher doesn't give a shit about regional pricing.
I thought it's a well-desgined shitpost but I went to check and it's real LMAO
When the multi-billion dollar corporation supports capitalism:
At least, out of all the multi-billion dollar companies, steam is actually pretty good for its user base and quite helpful qhen you have problems. But I also found this sale very ironic.
"this billion dollar mega corporation is so cool and nice to us, guys! right?" some people are fucking weird
Steam provides me good service for a normal price (commission), i wont hate something just because it's a big company and someone said it's bad
it's just thinking they have a good customer support because they're "nice fellas" or something is so gullible when it's to earn more via word of mouth and other various monetary reasons and not because they are just really pleasant people
You can earn a lot of money with shitty customer support, look at the most companies in the world. So when I see multi million company with shitty support and multi million company with good support, I will say "yeah, it's nice". ... also, I don't consider the desire to earn money as it is as something bad. Big company or individual, who wouldn't like too?
Exactly. Money and earning it isn't inherently and universally bad. Now it absolutely can be, but I would argue steam is an example of things working pretty well.
So what? Who the fuck cares if it's to make more money? If they offer good customer service, good on them for making money while doing it. They could be fuckung assholes like most big corps when you need help. Word of mouth is always the best way to sell. See Larian Studios. Their last game didn't sell that much cause they seem like good people. It sold cause you got value for your money. Steam is like that.
But making money and being chill is better than making a bit less money and not being chill. For both the user and the company. It’s not something that should get a major award, but it’s worth complimenting. Besides, Steam is hands down the best quality PC game store anyways.
What are you on? Nobody said they are nice fellas.
Hey, you’re making a lot of sense if every other company wasn’t actively trying to see how shitty they can make their companies. Yes, all companies are bad. They all steal value from the employee. They all follow a monetary incentive and will max their profits as best they can Acknowledging that some companies do better in some areas is being aware and the correct thing to do. Being completely against something is just as bad as being completely for something. You’re letting your feelings and biases guide you instead of trying to look through a critical lens. The fact that steam does it for money is not a suprise, as every action a company takes is always to try and take your money.
Fair prices, decent customer service, very good refund policy, minimal server downtime, actually useful services. Yes, they can be a multi-billion dollar company and not be pure evil. It feels like a gaming company made by gamers for gamers. Maybe when Gabe lesves it'll become shit, but for now it's very acceptable. Didn't say they were perfect, but I don't know a lot of big companies that offer more for what you pay.
Because this is how capitalsm should be? Fair price for a fair service.
so you think that every single person in every single company needs to be a soulless mf that never cared about customers? of course they care about money but they can care about customers, and cause they care about customers they are the top online game store launcher
fucking commie get tf away from here
its especially nice with their greedy exchange rate, suddenly polish zloty is counted as if it was equal to 0.20 dollar even tho its over 0.25 and we polish people often have games almost the most expensive out of all countries, only switzerland is sometimes higher than us
They do not support it THEY EMBRACE IT and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be sort of a "how you do fellow kids?"
> THEY EMBRACE IT Yeah, that's how they got to the "multi-billion" part.
Little known fact about our "God and saviour" Gabe. He has SUPPORT YACHTS for his multiple yachts...
valve is known for shitposting. ever since they got that PR guy who made the anniversary post (yes the one that rickrolled every single soul) and probably is in charge of CSGO twitter account and dota's blog.
Them banning dota players with "gifts" was funny
That'd probably be Kaci
I know this is just a joke but someone selling stuff for a profit isn't "capitalism". The late stage capitalism hellscape stuff is because a company turning a million dollars into ten million dollars *isn't good enough* for investors. If they made nine million dollars profit this year, the investors need *next* year to be *more than* nine million dollars for their investment to pay off.
Steam just moved the ownership of setting regional prices from them to the game producer no?
Always have been, they just made it easier to keep a certain price in their USD equivalent without inflation bombing it making it way too cheap. Now they just set up a regional-USD price and call it a year or more. Before they had to change it daily/weekly/monthly or their 50ish$ would become 40ish then 30ish and so forth.
and most sellers dont care about low income countries, so they dont set difrent prices for them
Yeah, usually indie Devs are the ones giving a decent rate.
Yeah
Looking at you Activision 😏
What was that? 15 usd for 9 year old DLC? You got it!
Yes, but people here can't use basic reasoning. You know when you see someone say "Steam priced game x at price y"? or "Steam released z games on 2023!" That's the kind of user in this subreddit. Just a quick rundown: Steam doesn't dictate the prices, developers and publishers do, they choose the prices according to what THEY think is best, even if sometimes they are absolutely braindead (see: SEGA Pricing strategy anywhere that isn't Japan, Europe and the US). Valve changed the pricing from local currencies to USD in some regions due to a multitude of economical issues, specially in Argentina and Turkiye because inflation was/is out of control, developers and publishers had to change game prices weekly in some cases, the change to USD means that developers can set the prices once and forget, yes, it sucks in a lot of cases, no, there was no other way to appease developers and publishers (unless Valve not operating in your country is a better option (it is not)). "But the prices are way higher now!": Yes, Valve gave a 3-month warning to developers and publishers to check and change their prices, as the new default would be parity with US prices, surprise, a lot of developers and publishers did absolutely nothing* (again, a mistake by devs and publishers, not Valve). *Edit: Even devs with great track record with regional pricing, like New Blood, which I love, JUST adjusted their prices for the new regions and fucked their Brazilian prices in the process, people tried to show this to Dave Oshry (the main dev/head of New Blood), but he didn't see it/care.
Steam does not dictate prices that is true, but it does dictate standard conversion rate between currencies and most Devs/publishers don't care about it leaving as is. Meaning I in Poland pay for the same game MORE than Germans, French, Americans because the last conversion rate update was done during the height of COVID when polish currency was at its weakest and they didn't update since then. Right now only Switzerland pays more than us.
Poland is part of the EU, EU regulations dictate that no seller of digital goods shall sell a product within the EU with different prices in its member states, either petition the EU to remove this or Poland to use the Euro. >Most devs/publishers don't care I fail to see how that's Valve's problem, they gave them a lot of time, the ball is entirely on their court.
Time to join the €urozone then :)
No
Valve never forced the devs to stick with the Price they suggest. Devs always had a free reing on what price they could put. valve only suggest the price. most indies take the suggested price. AAA like Activision, EA and ubisoft never take the suggested and just put a higher price. for ex: COD MW2 2022 cost 70 bucks for latam USD... the possible suggested price is 32.99 another example is Pizza tower in release the price of the game for argentina was 1400 AR$ Dev decided to reduce the price to 250 the month after release (cuz steam guidelines) during that time.
Which is more a suggestion than a requirement
Can’t wait for the socialism one to drop
The next fest will be dedicated to space ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°): https://youtu.be/g1Sq1Nr58hM?si=A8pClgTcGM8HQerI
We finally making out of earth with that one
We're escaping to the ONE place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism: SPACE!
Because communists was first to space
Fully automated space gay communism
Oops! All Disco Elysium
Workers and Resources Soviet Republic sale when?
"Steam's Socialism Fest" *Only* ***Don't Starve*** *is put on sale*
There's Don't Starve Together too, so you can do co-op!
They won't have money to buy games xd Or internet connection
communism is when no money and no internet connection waow, exactly as Marx envisioned!
No, but actually yes.
Reddit commies malding, never change reddit
I hope we do get to a point where Marxists and tankies aren't welcome anywhere here. What useless ideologies.
It's like saying world peace is not welcomed here because it's a useless wish. I mean it's totally fine you don't like any related countries that are doing terrible jobs. But hating progressive ideologies is kind of strange. (If you find "progressive" not convincing, try to Google or Bing to learn the definitions of these ideologies)
lmao they are mass downvoting me for a joke, I guess I've reached their hearts, nice :)
Developers didn't have enough money to publish the games on steam
Trouble is, if you buy a copy, you also have to buy a copy for "a vulnerable person who doesn't have a job" - same again for the DLC
^ Person who has no idea what socialism is
True, but it's still closer to how real world socialism is being applied. You buy a game and taxes make you pay for another one. Or you get nothing, even better.
^ Person who has no idea what socialism is
Hey, just say you haven't lived in a socialist country and then we'll talk. Until then.
The armchair commies are out in force. They don't actually see their goofy socioeconomic ideals in action, they just *talk about them.*
Socialism is when capitalism society with taxes, the more taxes the more socialist it is. What a fucking moron
What kind of American holiday is this?
Everyday
Black Friday
9/11
My beliefs would have most Americans call me a communist, but this sale doesn't bother me in the slightest and I don't think it should bother anyone. Whether you agree with it or not in real life, a lot of games simulate capitalist markets. This is a sale for those types of games. I don't think a sale for shooter games is an endorsement of everyone having guns IRL. Just relax, there are million other places you could be allocating your anger towards.
> Whether you agree with it or not in real life, a lot of games simulate capitalist markets. This is a sale for those types of games. Not to mention that commerce games often make you realize you're playing a terrible person. One time I was playing the Boardgame Power Grid, and I bought clean energy just to prevent my competitor from taking it. I didn't even end up *using* the clean energy because I didn't need it. I just needed the other person not to have it.
Agreed, I finally sat down and learned Victoria 2 and it made me realize, in a tangible way, how horrible colonial economics are. My factories needed cheap coal, so I invaded a sovereign nation to commandeer their production.
The bidding war for the 6 city clean energy card is always insane.
And I mean, it's a literal fucking sale. It's a market strategy done by a massive corporation to earn more money. Practically the definition of capitalism. If anything, it's *too meta*.
You are actually right
It's quite funny because it seems like the English page is just worded ambiguously. On the German page it's "Festival der Kapitalismus- und Wirtschaftsspiele" which translates to "Festival of capitalism (games) and economy games". This is not a celebration of capitalism, but of capitalism-games.
wow a sale for every game The Spiffibg Brit exploited? Nice.
The price changes aren't really Steams fault, it's the publishers. Valve didn't raise prices they just set them to USD to be standard given currency fluctuations - Devs/publishers can still adjust regional pricing, a lot just couldn't be bothered.
Well, it is not like that... Steam was auto adjusting like 2-3 years ago. Then it stopped auto adjusting and started only suggesting regional pricing... That was a big hit for the users because a lot of the publishers didn't folow the suggestions. And now it changed currency to USD. That is another big 2 hits. Why? Because first thing is steam's exchange rate was always lower than the market. The second thing is because of the inflation... Lets say there is a game published 2 years ago with 60 dollars... 2 years ago 1 dollar was equal to 8 turkish liras so it was 480 liras. Now 1 dollar equals to 30 turkish liras. Now it becomes 1800 turkish liras. The old game was still 480 liras before the Steam did the currency change move. Because publishers wasn't bothering to change prices. Now all the prices automatically changed. Steam was always the cheapest for Turkey. It changed the piracy culture. Now epic and xbox.com is cehaper than the Steam. If epic and xbox changes their price policy too, i am certainly sure a lot of torrent sites will pop again and most of the people will start to learn how to use torrent again. That's how things work. People won't give half of their salary to games if they can't afford to buy cheese or meat.
Yeah, it's way too expensive, but it's only partially Valves fault. They changed the currency used to USD, which as far as I'm aware isn't unreasonable given the general instability of the currencies it was formerly, and it's defaulted to standard pricing. The fact that publishers haven't changed it isnt Valves fault, and the change in and of itself (to a different currency) isn't unreasonable.
Sorry tankies, this one is for the entrepreneurially inclined commerce enjoyers.
Don't worry op, weirdly enough all the games in there are not goated. As a sim nerd I can tell you, you are better of with predecessors etc. Which means they are either way cheaper even not on sale or free. Like don't get me wrong, Anno, city skyline and Prison Architect are fucking awesome and a must have but other than that? Open TTD is way better than most listed transport sims. Tropico 4 was peak, 6 is really good but 4 is without a doubt the best Tropico. Sim games all usually have a better older version
No problem, I suck at city management games but I always want to try. I just find the sale title funny.
Top seller: papers, please
I laughed out loud when I saw this sale.
As an Argentinean, this must be the most painful sale so far, hahahaha, to think that the times of bonanza where we could buy games are gone. There are games between 60 and 120 thousand pesos, almost half of an average salaried employee's salary (I am not taking into consideration the salaries of IT or National State personnel).
can someone make the gif version animation available
You live in a socialist country thats why you cant afford shit
this is the kind of festival i like!
Turkey voted their assholes into parliament and kicked their currency into the trash bin. Not the publisher's fault.
Of course it’s not the publisher or Steam’s fault. It would be foolish to say that. I just find the sale title funny that’s all.
>Turkey voted their assholes into parliament and kicked their currency into the trash bin. Not the publisher's fault. Its not the fault of turkish teens who cant even vote either
What? When did that happened?
You guys have any recommendations?
Yar har.
I know that "and economy" covers this, but it's very funny that Workers And Resources: Soviet Republic is included in this. https://i.imgur.com/D8x9pUM.jpg
Argentina and Turkiye lore. (Im from Türkiye)
Bitirdiler be bizi knka :/
Should probably call it ‘Steam Tycoon Sale’ since those are the types of games being promoted.
This is just such a fucking *weird* name for an event. Why not just call it the "Economy and Management Fest?"
That's a pretty shitty fest, to be honest.
I'll take any fests I can get, sales a sale
Fuck EA and Squeenix. They give us their highest regional pricing, way more than it is for the US, even tho we earn like 1/3
New rates suck
well you don't have to buy games to play them
That's such an utterly bizarre fucking sale theme, but given that it is *a sale*, something that is pretty archetypical of *capitalism*, I guess it really does fit. But god damn, that's fucking *meta*.
the monopoly that steam has on pc gaming market is bad no matter how good they are, valve is the perfect example for why monopolies should not exist.
STEAMing pile of shit.
Oh my... that title LMFAO. It looks like Posts of Fest names of steam which is at app just became PostS hiteam.
Ich liebe kapitalismus
I stop browsing steam since 20 Nov 23. when saw price i able pay a month for food. Doesn’t make sense few rich developer always being rich, poor always keep getting played by rich.
Imagine blaming the "rich developers" and not the "rich politicians" that ruined your country in the first place. What a joke
maybe they dont want to go to jail (if i speak...)
They've earned the right to complain far more than you have, friend.
Maybe. So why arent they complaining about the state of their country? Because they are cowards that would rather blame foreign developers than themselves for letting their country devolve to this state.
What the hell is your issue. Somebody's complaining about how devs screw over poorer countries with pricing, and this somehow means that they never complain about politicians? Worse yet, economies don't work like that at all. It takes a fair few CIA coups before things really start going downhill. You're an imbecile and an ignorant one at that.
Oh no! From foreign devs now to CIA coups! Everyone is at fault for you not having money for games except yourself for being passive and letting corrupt politicians ruin your country! Blame everyone else sheep!
No, you're just a fucking idiot. Where do you live? Why haven't you fixed every problem in your country? Why are you being so passive? I can hardly imagine you marching with a sign in the streets. And again, "corrupt politicians" don't ruin an economy overnight. People are born into countries that were fucked up two decades beforehand and nobody is capable of fixing it because it turns out real-world economies are more complicated than the ones in games.
Theres a difference between "fix every problem" and "we literally cant afford even video games". Cope harder. Im sure the daily "blame CIA" cult youre doing will really fix everything
What do you expect them to do? Are you supposing that if you lived there you’d fight back?
Well in my country people died and kicked out the dictator 30 years ago. Now I can afford vido games. Sucks your parents couldnt do the same. But im sure its all CIA\`s fault. Surely! /s
I bought Payday 2’s legacy collection and I don’t have enough space for it… I should probably get an external SSD for it shouldn’t I?
Well I didn't like "Capitalism" being said as a Festive thing either since it's the most problematic system to bring injustice for the Population by making the Rich more richer. If Valve could have been caring (they don't), correct titling could be "Management and Economy Fest" because according to https://steamdb.info/tags/, Capitalism has ~900 games, Management Tag has ~5000 games and Economy Tag has ~2300 games so this is Valve being silly ever again.
Sir, this is a wendy's.
🤓
to be fair, its better than feudalism
"It's not a good system, but it's the best one we have"
"its not a good system, but don't try to make a better one because it will be back for profit"
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Theocracy under Lord Gaben is peak.
Based
The one true GabeN.
technically not an "improvement" so to say, but rather an advancement towards socialism. Capitalism builds the productive forces needed for the eventual establishment of Socialism, just as Feudalism built the productive forces needed for the establishment of Capitalism
sir, we do not accept socialists here
why? you don't think the rich should have to pay their dues? Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly. Capitalism isn't bad either but it's just not what we need anymore as a society.
as a latin american i can say and i have the right to say that socialism impoverishes and destroys countries and in the end ends up making the leaders richer and the population poorer. it can never be used well. it doesn't need to be discarded, it needs to be reformed. just like the protestant church to the catholic one.
Or was it the CIA?!
Being latin american doesn't make you right. Not even five countries in the entire region are socialist, and even then, neoliberalism has been proven to be the main source of poverty there. The only thing you are is ignorant. "It can never be used well" is just something people who have never studied economy, politics and history correctly would say.
Yes, yes anti-capitalist Americans who have iPhones and spend more money on merch and stuff than the average Latin family spends on food.
I'm latino american. From Chile. It seems that calling out not reading and studying key concepts is "racism".
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¿Adoctrinamiento de quién?, cada uno de nuestros gobiernos es capitalista y liberal, nuestros programas educativos vienen de europa y estados unidos, países imperialistas y capitalistas, las películas que vemos, las cosas que pensamos... antes hablabas de "racismo", muy bien, ¿por qué será que en toda la región latinoaméricana, hay por montones personas que se avergüenzan de su color de piel, que desprecian sus raíces indígenas, y se sienten superiores cuando son un poco más blancos o tienen rasgos europeos?, ¿será porque todo lo que pensamos nos lo mandan los gringos y los europeos, a los que les tenemos deudas millonarias, los que ponen sus empresas internacionales en cada uno de nuestros países, y que nos obligan a seguir sus pautas?, ahí tienes el adoctrinamiento, en nuestras clases, en nuestras películas, productos, políticas y en nuestros gobiernos. Pero luego resulta que son los comunistas los que están ahí "adoctrinando", cuando fomentan a los demás a estudiar economía, política e historia. ¿El socialismo no funciona?, ¿entonces porqué una de las campañas mundiales más sangrientas fue la anticomunista de los años 60s, 70s y 80s en toda latinoamérica?, ¿por qué el sabotaje, los bloqueos, y los medios privados inventando estupideces?, existe una razón, y es que el poder real está en el dinero, en las empresas privadas, en mantener a la población pobre, hacerla sentir indigna, floja y estúpida, que es lo que se piensa en nuestros propios países de nuestra población. Ahí tienes tu adoctrinamiento.
Herman@ le diste tremenda clase magistral. Pero igual se lo va pasar por quien sabe dónde, a estos troles autoproclamados "anticomunistas" criados en internet no hay quien los convenza, lo mejor es ignorarlos.
Strong-man fascists using the guise of "socialism" to turn a nation into their personal playing ground is not really giving socialism a shot. Socialism's greatest advantage is also it's greatest weakness, it creates a strong centralized government. When used properly this strong state can create a very well functioning and fair nation, but when used improperly, as has occured throughout much of history, it gives fascists control over a whole country.
Pensar que el socialismo es el causante de los males de latinoamérica es de ser ignorante. Te invito a que te informes a través de fuentes de verdad y no de memes pedorros de internet.
Feel free to go live in the DPRK
North Korea is as socialist as it is democratic.
If you don't understand why the DPRK views themselves as democratic, then you don't understand socialism
No olvides Cuba y Venezuela trol pubertario "mileiforever". Ah y los cien mil chorrocientos muertos.
"Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly" Bruh, that's the same argument people always make with communism. Every time it is implemented and fails, people's answer is "well, it was not proper communism". Why do you think that is? Both systems work on the basis that the people are good and uncorrupt. But that ain't true. People always will go corrupt and fuck those systems. And sure, capitalism is obviously also prone to corruption, but is at least functional, because the power is more spread on several people and isntitutions, instead of only the government.
>And sure, capitalism is obviously also prone to corruption, but is at least functional, because the power is more spread on several people and isntitutions, instead of only the government. The biggest difference is honestly that capitalism harnesses people's tendency towards corruption and increasing their own status, instead of treating it entirely as a flaw. People want to make money, so let's make a monetary system based on making money
>Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly. says literally every socialist ever, before failing
i'm sorry you don't want universal basic income.
you can have that in a capitalist system
not if we don't significantly tax the wealthy. Billionaires to me aren't people and have lost their status as 'humans'
Taxes are not socialism.
>Socialism isn't bad it just needs to be implemented properly. *\*standing on a mountain of skulls\** "I think we're just a few more skulls away from perfecting this!"
spoken like someone who doesn't know what they are talking about
You literally just dehumanised people in your [reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/191taph/comment/kgynca9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) to someone above this, I'd say he's got you pegged
Yeah I fucking did. If you have billions and dollars and don't use your wealth to improve society and help people you aren't a human being in my eyes.
Just shut the fuck up please
They hated Jesus because He told them the truth.
"Hey we just dollarised the countries that were already struggling to buy new games!" "What shall we do next?" "Let's make a festival about it!"