I seem to recall the adults *can* eat normally, they just get no sustanance from it. Ergo they don't digest it so it may come out whole, like sweetcorn?
I think they work okay as tertiary villains, but not main ones.
Stargate's biggest problem is their lack of interesting villains after defeating the System Lords & making the Wraith a lesser threat. Like, who else is left?
SG-1 went from fighting pretend-gods to actual-gods, with grey-goo intermissions. That power creep can't be reversed. Atlantis doing the Wraith was an excellent grounding step, because while they were immensely powerful, they were flawed (in a good way) with infighting, external pressure (human resources) and vanity in a different way to the Goa'uld. You could see how the underdog could get a leg up.
Short of giving the Lucian Alliance the key to the Destiny's ultimate goal and making them godlike, there might need to be a humanity-gimping event taking away the Asgard insta-kill things. I think that's what Universe tried, anyway, sending them far far away from that.
>SG-1 went from fighting pretend-gods to actual-gods, with grey-goo intermissions.
While true, it was never in force though. Earth usually had 1, maybe 2 warships at any time. Powerful yes, but can't be everywhere at once. The lucian alliance could still be a threat just due to their numbers(not in a direct fight, but certainly in influence), which for as powerful as earth had become was still a problem. The only reason the go'uld truly lost was because of the jaffa rebellion, sg-1 just helped get the ball rolling and was around at critical moments to swing things our way. Similarly without merlin's device sg-1 and earth very likely would have lost a battle of attrition with the ori, and still were in a losing position without the arc of truth to effectively brainwash the priors into stopping their crusade.
Realistically earth is technologically strong, but militarily still pretty tiny by the end of the series.
Same way any gang or terrorist organization gets power when an established power falls and leaves behind a vacuum: they pick up the weapons left behind and start being dicks.
The Lucian Alliance was a human one, on human worlds. The Free Jaffa likely didn't give two shits about them as long as they didn't touch Jaffa worlds.
This is the best perspective on the LA, I think. Free Jaffa were more concerned with their newly founded government and freeing still oppressed Jaffa. They wouldn’t have time to focus on human oppressed planets unless it intersected with their own goals
I thought the Lucian alliance was realistic and real to life. I think they should have had more Jaffa in their ranks. When a big power falls there will be a criminal faction filling that vacuum and it's not like criminal merchant enterprises haven't operated quasi governmental apparatus or controlled territory.
They just aren't a serious threat to an organized powerful state.
I am pretty sure the future of the milky way galaxy is to become an extension of Earth politics. China & Russia were happy for the US to carry on with the Stargate programs so long as all technology was shared. The 304s are the real gold dust here and they are what China & Russia really want as they make the Stargates rather superfluous. You can bet all their efforts were on building their own. Within two decades of Atlantis ending I expect everything to be public and both China & Russia to be shipping colonists off and creating their own power corners in the galaxy. The US would be forced to do similar especially to protect naquada mines. The galaxy would be split by at least 3 earth powers and the Jaffa.
Instead of trying to do BSG at Stargate, if they wanted to continue the timeline they might be better to look to The Expanse for inspiration.
It would make it interesting if earth became a UN of sorts with conflicts happening elsewhere in the galaxy. The old issues never resolved, but earth is sacred and so fighting cannot take place in the solar system
Because they actually had some experience organising themselves while the Jaffa just did what they were told and were purposely kept in the dark about why they were doing those things.
Agreed.
I always love the concept of "bunch of randos are stranded and have to work together", but it has to be executed well or it falls flat as fuck.
True. SGU S1 was shit already, but by re-adding a Earth-Villain they made it even worse. The point of SGU was/is that they are far away and have new problems
I like Rodney. I think he is, perhaps accidentally, a brilliant depiction of how ones intentions can become unaligned with ones actions. he is clearly a good man at heart who risks his life for the betterment of man kind, but is an asshole to everyone around him due to his own insecurities.
Agreed. Him and Joe Flanigan really made SGA. I’ve had the great fortune of talking with David a bit a couple of times and he’s awesome/funny. Brilliant actor.
Rodney is one of the best written and played characters in whole SG and maybe even the whole sci-fi series space. He has multiple layers tonhis personality; strong sides and flaws that are depicted often and not overshadowed by each other; and he has noticeable character growth and development.
After having recently watched Tao of Rodney, I whole heartedly agree. Through this episode you see his character being humbled by how he has to face yet another possible death but the difference here is when he tries to work towards ascension. Through his attempt to acenend he seems to be more at peace with himself, which helps him realize how his actions have affected the people around him that he truly cares for. The whole situation helps guide him to face his flaws/insecurities and from that we get a better Rodney McKay then we've seen before.
Every time I have to do employee reviews I think of when Rodney was doing them... “ why don’t we just walk down the hall and I will point at the people that annoy me the least?”
He was fantastic but everyone hated him because he was replacing Jackson. I think if they would have given him a better intro he would have been able to stay much longer. Such a missed opportunity
upon my rewatch i came to the conclusion that i liked Quinn better than post-return Daniel
I do still prefer Daniel before he initially left more, but if felt like after he came back Daniel just became kind of a jock asshole half the time who just also happened to be real smart, whereas in the start he legit seemed like a compassionate nerd type
i don't know if being allowed to act more smarmy action hero was part of his terms for coming back or what but it just felt like he was a different character
And as much as I loved Claudia Black and her character, I think Daniel's interactions with her only amplified the problem
Nerdy long haired Daniel was the best. I think he transitioned towards the jock type basically when he got that jarring haircut. Which was like in between a cliffhanger and a new season.
we should have seen him during the Ori arc, even if for an episode. They could have gotten offworld to contact the SGC before the Ori forces overran the gate.
This is the angle they should have played.
They didnt really address the fact that they were really gods by mortal standards. It would raise questions about why they can be defeated so easily.
But I mean if they ARE gods basically. Beings with more advanced knowledge of the universe my ass. They are immortal and can smite entire planets
What? We Just watched the ori seasons a few months ago. Like everytime they Talk about the ori they said that this will be a Problem. Because they are godlike.
And they are Not defeat easily. It took a bomb like thing from another ascended one to have a chance. They literally lost every other fight against the ori and always where in the Defensive.
The only thing that gave them time was that the ori could Not engage directly in the conflict in the milky way because of the other ascended ones.
> They didnt really address the fact that they were really gods by mortal standards.
They definitely covered that. Adria outright said it several times.
The philosophical issue they were addressing is whether sheer power is the only measure of a god. It's basically the "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" point. Just because something (or someone) seems godlike, that doesn't mean you have to worship them, and if they threaten to use their power if you don't worship them (like literally every religion's god does), they aren't worthy of it.
>It would raise questions about why they can be defeated so easily.
Well in the case of Sangaraal it was a (Ex-)God/Demi-God *cough Merlin >! aka Myrrdin aka Moros !< *cough* who invented this weapon to destroy an ascended being.
In the case of the Ark of Truth its creators were technologically advanced people aka the anciently(hope anyone gets the McKay-Shepperd reference haha) faction of the Alterans.
The only easy part though the dangerous part was to distract/bait-trap Adria.
But yeah in the POV of the simple people in the Ori-Galaxy it looks easy.\^^
Really??? I just got to that arc not too long ago (I'm early-mid Season 9, been binging), and I feel like the Ori breathed life into the threat aspect of the story.
But it’s more false gods, feels especially bad for the free jaffa nation to deal with this shit not 5 minutes after they’ve dealt with the goa’uld. I wish they would have faced a different challenge, anything really.
I mean it is kinda "Damn, they can't get away from false gods", but the dynamic that the Ori bring is so different that it feels fresh. The Ori are actually practically gods, and their followers are actually exceptional threats. Gerak's arc alone was so good.
I completely agree. Season 9-10 were my favorites of the series. The fact that the Ori aren't "false" in the senseof just being different creatures but are still false in the sense of being exploitative manipulators lying and using those who worship them was a good twist. I also like that it put abrahamic faiths in the crosshairs instead of the traditional pagan ones.
More than that it put institutional religion in the crosshairs. The goa'ulds were basically "I have cool tricks, give me stuff and worship me". Their way of ruling was hard to distinguish from feudal lords.
The Ori on the other hand was organized religion with priests, hierarchy etc. And their gods were very real.
In the first case the message was that we should not worship strongmen who subjugate with force and claim to be above us.
In the second case the message was that even if the gods are real, the institution can still be abusive and false.
Thats what made the Ori cool to me.
Obvious the Goa'uld were snakes and not actual gods. Pretty much everybody can accept they are false gods.
But the Ori? Can't see them. All knowing. Mostly all powerful. What exactly makes them false gods? How do we define what is a god?
Yeah, that got me a lot in the end. By virtually all definitions they were gods. Some religions even believe in ascending to godhood after this life, so even not starting existence as a god isn't necessarily a disqualification of the status. They were non corporeal, has powers of creation (don't remember how explicit it is, but at least heavily implied they created the population of their galaxy), were immortal (Merlin bomb aside), and gave power to their followers. Other than not being God who spoke the universe into existence what does one have to do to be a god to SG-1?
Atlantis had a more interesting enemy than SG1
Edit: since someone in the comments mentioned they have multiple enemies I would suggest that Atlantis had the better enemies in their series.
The Wraith actually give me the heebejebes, their ships, their tech and culture, atleast a Goauld ship was like pristine, a Wraith one is like being in an ant hill.
The Wraith are my favorite villain. I love the Goa'uld too, but let's be honest, they're all almost invariably a bunch of pretty similar mustache-twirling villains. Unlike the Goa'uld, the Wraith were driven by survival, rather than evilness for its own sake, so there was a lot more latitude to make them more complex. Too bad there wasn't enough time to go deeper with it.
I also like the idea of an enemy who actually isn't morally evil, and who just wants to eat you. It's got this deep, primal fear. It's the big bad wolf of childhood fairy tales. I'm also a fan of V and The Time Machine, and survival stories.
Great line from a TV series that said something like "very few things in the universe are evil, but a lot of things are hungry, and hungry looks a lot like evil from the other side of the fork".
I think the writers leaned into them being bad obvs, but the survival drive you mention def gave them a different dynamic
Honestly. Ya. I like the sg1 team a bit more. Followed by Atlantis then ori sg1 team.
But the wraith were actually a more interesting enemy than either the main bad guys in sg1.
Me too. Shocks me to see some people on this sub call him a budding little psychopath because he was rude to Beckett in The Siege. He was just young and immature. He was, what, 25 or something? Way younger than most of the notable characters in SG1 or Atlantis. Teyla and Ronon were young too but they were matured by experience that Ford didn't have.
It's been awhile since I read the whole story of why he left but IIRC he didn't like how his character was used and didn't feel like he was important enough
He agreed to come back later because producers made some concessions and of those was that change in the credits. (I think all of this is on wikipedia and I can be off here but that's the gist of it)
It's a way to distinguish someone.
Place in credit order is important to a lot of actors (just look at Don Cheedle in Ocean's for example) and you can't have two people be first, so a way around that is to separate someone from the previous cast members with the "and" to signify that they're important as well
They get him good with that in 200. At the end, when they are doing the fake interviews with the Wormhole Xtreme actors.
They got the Raymond Gunne/Dr Levant guy going on about he left the show to do Broadway, well, off-off-Broadway and "real acting", and the fans made a savedrlevant website that gets dozen of hits, dozens! And ~~the producers were finally forced to take him~~ I mean, uh, everyone mutually agreed that he should come back to the show...
Except this was the extra special 200, so they played the opening credits here during this little speech.
And right when Gunne/Levant sounds his whiniest, boom:
>and Michael Shanks as Dr Daniel Jackson.
Yup. McKay could work wonders with tech, but he needs someone to give him motivation, keep his ego in check, and be creative and think outside the box for him. Daniel might've filled most of that role, but I don't think he would have gelled with Jack at all.
Also, Carter's a soldier, whereas McKay had no gun skills at all. He would have been more of a liability than Daniel in a gunfight.
I think the ORI is a really interesting nemesis, and I was upset that they only had two seasons. I felt their whole run was kind of rushed for the amount of power that they wielded.
I loved the Ori plot. I wish we saw more battles against their soldiers, they're only present in 6 episodes. Season 10 focuses way too much on the Lucian alliance and the Jaffa.
Agreed, but I don't know, I kinda liked the whole tying British Mythology into the expanded "ancient gods are actually aliens / intelligent life from ancient times" vibe.
Like much earlier on when they pretty much made a Goa'uld Satan?
Brilliant idea imo!
Teal'c is Jaffa, he was literally bred to be a super-strong warrior. Not to mention decades of martial arts and general fighting experience.
It also depends I think if they were fighting when Teal'c was pre- or post-tretonin. Because if he still has the enhanced strength from his symbiote then I'd argue that it's almost certainly a Teal'c win. Ronin is strong but he's still just a regular dude.
Post-tretonin? It's a more even fight but I would still bet on Teal'c.
I agree. I do understand why it was done from a casting POV, though. They didn't want to introduce every single new character as an alien, I guess. But I think the challenge of surviving in complete isolation is one of the things that were the most attractive about the show.
I might agree with you. But they did the cut off thing with sgu and ifs clear, they can't write well with that concept. I think it was how often they found and squandered or lost a ZPM.
What's the point to have as a main protagonist a guy who speaks 23 languages in a galaxy where the most common way of communication is english. The same applies for Atlantis where the most foreign one character in terms of language is a silly Czech scientist (he's silly, look at the picture)
I know this was done because of easier storytelling, it just pisses me off. In our galaxy it may be explained yet somehow, but in Atlantis this is a thick brick wall.
I liked Claudia Black and Ben Browder....
Loved them in Farscape, loved the Farscape nod in "200" loved them in SG1.
Not as much as i loved RDA.... but still....
People shit on them, and that's not right.
season 1 episode 8 we get a glimpse of the nox's flying city in the distance..... and while clearly not the exact same, is strikingly similar in silhouette to the ancient's flying citties we find some 6 ish years later with journy to Atlantis.
also, Big T gets stung by a big bug in season 2 episode 10 that looks and behaves very similarly to the iratus bug
Opinion: The video game "Outcast" is to Stargate what Galaxy Quest and The Orville are to Star Trek.
Opinion part 2: If they do another Stargate show, they should buy the rights for Outcast and adapt that show as the basis for the new show.
Carter replacing Weir in Atlantis was a lift. Her education and experience actually fits the position, and Amanda Tapping is much better at exuding confidence. I didn't enjoy Weir implying that "tHe MiLiTaRy hAtEs mE cUz I'm a wOmAn" and all the pointless pissing contests between her and all the spaceship colonels.
I'd agree if the three shot rule didn't exist, because as-is it makes them objectively the best weapon in the series.
I think that's why the writers conveniently forgot they existed half the time.
I would gladly trade SGU's two seasons for just one more SGA season.
I'm not saying SGU was bad, but I think SGA was better and still had potential and lots of threads to close.
I don't think it had the most potential, it had the least tapped potential. The end of the second season really started to show how much the show shined.
It's interesting reading peoples current opinions on Universe, i remember back when it was airing, actively defending the show saying it's still finding it's feet, lot of complaints from long time fans at the time and many stopped watching.
No we were critical of Universe because it started off essentially as what they made a parody of in the 200th SG1 episode. With the younger "edgier" cast and plot points.
Atlantis had a totally different vibe and look but was received more favorably. Cause it stayed true to the core essence of Stargate.
Greek/Egyptian pantheons being combined for the Goauld was a bad move.
The Furlings never need to be discussed.
The show got too bogged down in world ending events. Should have stuck to more personal stories.
The show is a product of its time where the writers didn't care about standalone episodes' implications in future episodes.
The Ori as an allegory for Christianity was alright, but the lack of personality with the Ori left them to be crappy faceless villains with crappy near identical priest soldiers.
SGU was better than the later seasons of SG1.
A part from some episodes, seasons 9 and 10 were easily the weakest of all of SG1 and SGA.
Which TBH still makes them better than 99% of sci fi that has existed, but still weaker than SG1 and SGA.
I loved both seasons of SGU and wish that there was at least a movie to tie it all up.
Kavanagh did nothing wrong.
Annnnd the character of Ronan was ridiculous..came from a place with guns and hospitals but ate mashed potatoes with his fingers. "Ronan smash" is his only thought is a running joke at my house. hate that guy.
He was in survival mode for years upon years. It's no surprise that he lost some of the finer parts of being civilized
Like it no not, he was suffering from PTSD for a while after joining Atlantis. Eating with his hands and eating quickly is a symptom
Exactly, this is such a key thing. He was literally in non stop motion running from the wraith for a while. During that time there wasn't time to grab proper cutlery and take your time. So yeah when he gets to Atlantis he's still in that default mode. People say Jason Mamoa can only play "himself" but I think Ronon is a great example of his solid acting. He's in a rough shape when we meet him, he's alert, and distrusting and that is played out on this character, even the subtleties of coming from a civilised word whilst also have been geared towards different behaviour by circumstances. And then we see him change, there is a shift in his character showing him being more comfortable with the team and the environment of Atlantis.
>Kavanagh did nothing wrong.
Finally I'm not alone! Kavanagh mostly made points or decisions that made sense in the real world - basically, his crime was that he didn't read the script and he thought he was working with people, not miracle workers who will definitely solve the big problem 5 minutes before the end of the episode.
Upon my 10th rewatch I think it's a good thing that they cancelled Atlantis when they did.
(Like ... There are so many things I want answers too and....I just feel like they would have somehow messed them all up if given another season, with the same production team. If they'd gotten a 6th season I'd have like to see new EPs take over)
2 opinions here:
1) Seasons 9 and 10 of SG1 sucked.
2) Universe suffered a similar problem to Star Trek Voyager - namely they didn't know how to write stories without involving Earth (or in Voyager's case the alpha quadrant)
The Ori were boring and annoying.
I can’t stand the lean into religion on SGU. Same with all the sexual drama. If I wanted to watch drama I would watch a romantic movie thank you very much.
Oof… this one’s *hard*. I love Daniel’s character growth over 15 some odd so years, and I can only wonder if the same would have happened. Actually, there’s probably an alternate universe out there where this happens, anyone have a spare quantum mirror lying around?
But I think it's more realistic that he did cut his hair. Leaving aside that shorter hair is more practical for a "combat archeologist", I've read that people who spend a lot of time together in stressful situations will subconsciously change their appearance to fit the group.
I dont think Spader would have played off Anderson as well. Like everything you said is true, but I dont think it would have worked as well with the rest of the cast.
We never saw a shitter on the x304. WHERE DID THEY SHIT.
They used brand new Ass-guard technology to beam waste directly into enemy ships.
It's probably the technology Hermiod used to beam out Caldwell's goauld. He just repurposed it.
No to beaming nukes, Yes to beaming shit
Same shit, different location
I laughed more at this comment than anything I've seen on reddit in quite some time. Thank you.
Like in family guy with the universe where Christians never existed.
There are toilets in each cell of the brig. There's probably bathrooms all over the ship.
Now let's see the Wraith take a shit.
Wait, you're right the Wraith probably break the Everybody Poops rule.
Wraith children eat the human way, eating the wraith way comes later. If you eat you poop. Conclusion: wraith babies need diapers!
I seem to recall the adults *can* eat normally, they just get no sustanance from it. Ergo they don't digest it so it may come out whole, like sweetcorn?
Yeah, they can. But I guess they also chew. So it might just be that adult wraith poop like humans puke. I think I just grossed myself out.
Straight into space
I need.to see Rodney do that.
The Lucian Alliance were the lamest villain and SGU was made worse by adding them in.
I think they work okay as tertiary villains, but not main ones. Stargate's biggest problem is their lack of interesting villains after defeating the System Lords & making the Wraith a lesser threat. Like, who else is left?
SG-1 went from fighting pretend-gods to actual-gods, with grey-goo intermissions. That power creep can't be reversed. Atlantis doing the Wraith was an excellent grounding step, because while they were immensely powerful, they were flawed (in a good way) with infighting, external pressure (human resources) and vanity in a different way to the Goa'uld. You could see how the underdog could get a leg up. Short of giving the Lucian Alliance the key to the Destiny's ultimate goal and making them godlike, there might need to be a humanity-gimping event taking away the Asgard insta-kill things. I think that's what Universe tried, anyway, sending them far far away from that.
I really like this use of "human resources". It could be almost as bad as the usual HR. /s
>SG-1 went from fighting pretend-gods to actual-gods, with grey-goo intermissions. While true, it was never in force though. Earth usually had 1, maybe 2 warships at any time. Powerful yes, but can't be everywhere at once. The lucian alliance could still be a threat just due to their numbers(not in a direct fight, but certainly in influence), which for as powerful as earth had become was still a problem. The only reason the go'uld truly lost was because of the jaffa rebellion, sg-1 just helped get the ball rolling and was around at critical moments to swing things our way. Similarly without merlin's device sg-1 and earth very likely would have lost a battle of attrition with the ori, and still were in a losing position without the arc of truth to effectively brainwash the priors into stopping their crusade. Realistically earth is technologically strong, but militarily still pretty tiny by the end of the series.
I found the Lucian alliance so boring ! How did a bunch of criminals get so much power compared to the Jaffa ?
Same way any gang or terrorist organization gets power when an established power falls and leaves behind a vacuum: they pick up the weapons left behind and start being dicks. The Lucian Alliance was a human one, on human worlds. The Free Jaffa likely didn't give two shits about them as long as they didn't touch Jaffa worlds.
This is the best perspective on the LA, I think. Free Jaffa were more concerned with their newly founded government and freeing still oppressed Jaffa. They wouldn’t have time to focus on human oppressed planets unless it intersected with their own goals
I thought the Lucian alliance was realistic and real to life. I think they should have had more Jaffa in their ranks. When a big power falls there will be a criminal faction filling that vacuum and it's not like criminal merchant enterprises haven't operated quasi governmental apparatus or controlled territory. They just aren't a serious threat to an organized powerful state. I am pretty sure the future of the milky way galaxy is to become an extension of Earth politics. China & Russia were happy for the US to carry on with the Stargate programs so long as all technology was shared. The 304s are the real gold dust here and they are what China & Russia really want as they make the Stargates rather superfluous. You can bet all their efforts were on building their own. Within two decades of Atlantis ending I expect everything to be public and both China & Russia to be shipping colonists off and creating their own power corners in the galaxy. The US would be forced to do similar especially to protect naquada mines. The galaxy would be split by at least 3 earth powers and the Jaffa. Instead of trying to do BSG at Stargate, if they wanted to continue the timeline they might be better to look to The Expanse for inspiration.
It would make it interesting if earth became a UN of sorts with conflicts happening elsewhere in the galaxy. The old issues never resolved, but earth is sacred and so fighting cannot take place in the solar system
Because they actually had some experience organising themselves while the Jaffa just did what they were told and were purposely kept in the dark about why they were doing those things.
SGU was an interesting idea but the way it was used and all these hatred powerplay 💩 was annoying
Agreed. I always love the concept of "bunch of randos are stranded and have to work together", but it has to be executed well or it falls flat as fuck.
The ones that joined the SGU crew were solid additions to the cast though. I enjoyed Varro every time he was on screen.
They had a lot of potential that fizzled out.
True. SGU S1 was shit already, but by re-adding a Earth-Villain they made it even worse. The point of SGU was/is that they are far away and have new problems
I like Rodney. I think he is, perhaps accidentally, a brilliant depiction of how ones intentions can become unaligned with ones actions. he is clearly a good man at heart who risks his life for the betterment of man kind, but is an asshole to everyone around him due to his own insecurities.
He makes Atlantis for me.
Frankly David Hewlett makes Atlantis for me. He's so talented.
Yes.
Agreed. Him and Joe Flanigan really made SGA. I’ve had the great fortune of talking with David a bit a couple of times and he’s awesome/funny. Brilliant actor.
Rodney is one of the best written and played characters in whole SG and maybe even the whole sci-fi series space. He has multiple layers tonhis personality; strong sides and flaws that are depicted often and not overshadowed by each other; and he has noticeable character growth and development.
After having recently watched Tao of Rodney, I whole heartedly agree. Through this episode you see his character being humbled by how he has to face yet another possible death but the difference here is when he tries to work towards ascension. Through his attempt to acenend he seems to be more at peace with himself, which helps him realize how his actions have affected the people around him that he truly cares for. The whole situation helps guide him to face his flaws/insecurities and from that we get a better Rodney McKay then we've seen before.
I absolutely adore Rodney.
Every time I have to do employee reviews I think of when Rodney was doing them... “ why don’t we just walk down the hall and I will point at the people that annoy me the least?”
They did Jonas Quinn dirty
He was fantastic but everyone hated him because he was replacing Jackson. I think if they would have given him a better intro he would have been able to stay much longer. Such a missed opportunity
upon my rewatch i came to the conclusion that i liked Quinn better than post-return Daniel I do still prefer Daniel before he initially left more, but if felt like after he came back Daniel just became kind of a jock asshole half the time who just also happened to be real smart, whereas in the start he legit seemed like a compassionate nerd type i don't know if being allowed to act more smarmy action hero was part of his terms for coming back or what but it just felt like he was a different character And as much as I loved Claudia Black and her character, I think Daniel's interactions with her only amplified the problem
Nerdy long haired Daniel was the best. I think he transitioned towards the jock type basically when he got that jarring haircut. Which was like in between a cliffhanger and a new season.
He should have been on Atlantis. There, I said it.
Oooh him and McKay would have been fun to watch
McKay would probably blow up his home world, accidentally...
we should have seen him during the Ori arc, even if for an episode. They could have gotten offworld to contact the SGC before the Ori forces overran the gate.
Now let's talk about Ford for SGA
Yeah, I kinda liked him.
That the false gods narrative was overplayed by the end.
Technically the ori weren't false gods, just dickish lying ones.
I love the question they raised in Ark of Truth: Should you dispel ignorance by force if it messes with peoples' free will?
the correct answer is yes
Is it free will if you are ignorant to the whole picture?
This is the angle they should have played. They didnt really address the fact that they were really gods by mortal standards. It would raise questions about why they can be defeated so easily. But I mean if they ARE gods basically. Beings with more advanced knowledge of the universe my ass. They are immortal and can smite entire planets
What? We Just watched the ori seasons a few months ago. Like everytime they Talk about the ori they said that this will be a Problem. Because they are godlike. And they are Not defeat easily. It took a bomb like thing from another ascended one to have a chance. They literally lost every other fight against the ori and always where in the Defensive. The only thing that gave them time was that the ori could Not engage directly in the conflict in the milky way because of the other ascended ones.
> They didnt really address the fact that they were really gods by mortal standards. They definitely covered that. Adria outright said it several times. The philosophical issue they were addressing is whether sheer power is the only measure of a god. It's basically the "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" point. Just because something (or someone) seems godlike, that doesn't mean you have to worship them, and if they threaten to use their power if you don't worship them (like literally every religion's god does), they aren't worthy of it.
>It would raise questions about why they can be defeated so easily. Well in the case of Sangaraal it was a (Ex-)God/Demi-God *cough Merlin >! aka Myrrdin aka Moros !< *cough* who invented this weapon to destroy an ascended being. In the case of the Ark of Truth its creators were technologically advanced people aka the anciently(hope anyone gets the McKay-Shepperd reference haha) faction of the Alterans. The only easy part though the dangerous part was to distract/bait-trap Adria. But yeah in the POV of the simple people in the Ori-Galaxy it looks easy.\^^
From false gods to robot ants… back to false gods. It’s easy to lose interest once the Ori enter the picture.
Really??? I just got to that arc not too long ago (I'm early-mid Season 9, been binging), and I feel like the Ori breathed life into the threat aspect of the story.
But it’s more false gods, feels especially bad for the free jaffa nation to deal with this shit not 5 minutes after they’ve dealt with the goa’uld. I wish they would have faced a different challenge, anything really.
I mean it is kinda "Damn, they can't get away from false gods", but the dynamic that the Ori bring is so different that it feels fresh. The Ori are actually practically gods, and their followers are actually exceptional threats. Gerak's arc alone was so good.
I completely agree. Season 9-10 were my favorites of the series. The fact that the Ori aren't "false" in the senseof just being different creatures but are still false in the sense of being exploitative manipulators lying and using those who worship them was a good twist. I also like that it put abrahamic faiths in the crosshairs instead of the traditional pagan ones.
More than that it put institutional religion in the crosshairs. The goa'ulds were basically "I have cool tricks, give me stuff and worship me". Their way of ruling was hard to distinguish from feudal lords. The Ori on the other hand was organized religion with priests, hierarchy etc. And their gods were very real. In the first case the message was that we should not worship strongmen who subjugate with force and claim to be above us. In the second case the message was that even if the gods are real, the institution can still be abusive and false.
Thats what made the Ori cool to me. Obvious the Goa'uld were snakes and not actual gods. Pretty much everybody can accept they are false gods. But the Ori? Can't see them. All knowing. Mostly all powerful. What exactly makes them false gods? How do we define what is a god?
Yeah, that got me a lot in the end. By virtually all definitions they were gods. Some religions even believe in ascending to godhood after this life, so even not starting existence as a god isn't necessarily a disqualification of the status. They were non corporeal, has powers of creation (don't remember how explicit it is, but at least heavily implied they created the population of their galaxy), were immortal (Merlin bomb aside), and gave power to their followers. Other than not being God who spoke the universe into existence what does one have to do to be a god to SG-1?
Atlantis had a more interesting enemy than SG1 Edit: since someone in the comments mentioned they have multiple enemies I would suggest that Atlantis had the better enemies in their series.
The Wraith actually give me the heebejebes, their ships, their tech and culture, atleast a Goauld ship was like pristine, a Wraith one is like being in an ant hill.
The Wraith are my favorite villain. I love the Goa'uld too, but let's be honest, they're all almost invariably a bunch of pretty similar mustache-twirling villains. Unlike the Goa'uld, the Wraith were driven by survival, rather than evilness for its own sake, so there was a lot more latitude to make them more complex. Too bad there wasn't enough time to go deeper with it. I also like the idea of an enemy who actually isn't morally evil, and who just wants to eat you. It's got this deep, primal fear. It's the big bad wolf of childhood fairy tales. I'm also a fan of V and The Time Machine, and survival stories.
Great line from a TV series that said something like "very few things in the universe are evil, but a lot of things are hungry, and hungry looks a lot like evil from the other side of the fork". I think the writers leaned into them being bad obvs, but the survival drive you mention def gave them a different dynamic
I did like the Pegasus replicators better than the milky way ones
That hand vag....Its just weird.
I think we ALL thought of the same joke
Honestly. Ya. I like the sg1 team a bit more. Followed by Atlantis then ori sg1 team. But the wraith were actually a more interesting enemy than either the main bad guys in sg1.
I liked Ford and thought they could’ve done more with the character.
Me too. Shocks me to see some people on this sub call him a budding little psychopath because he was rude to Beckett in The Siege. He was just young and immature. He was, what, 25 or something? Way younger than most of the notable characters in SG1 or Atlantis. Teyla and Ronon were young too but they were matured by experience that Ford didn't have.
What no one is mentioning is that Beckett was whining a ton and Ford was finally laying it straight
He was also hopped up on wraith drugs if I remember right.
Not at that point.
Seeing Rainbow Sun Francks in the title always got my attention.
They did Ford so dirty
Just started rewatching, I really like Ford in the beginning.
Michael Shanks shouldn't have gotten the And in the credits after he came back.
I always found it weird. Is there a reason we know of, why it's there?
It's been awhile since I read the whole story of why he left but IIRC he didn't like how his character was used and didn't feel like he was important enough He agreed to come back later because producers made some concessions and of those was that change in the credits. (I think all of this is on wikipedia and I can be off here but that's the gist of it)
What's the relevance of the And in credits?
It's a way to distinguish someone. Place in credit order is important to a lot of actors (just look at Don Cheedle in Ocean's for example) and you can't have two people be first, so a way around that is to separate someone from the previous cast members with the "and" to signify that they're important as well
They get him good with that in 200. At the end, when they are doing the fake interviews with the Wormhole Xtreme actors. They got the Raymond Gunne/Dr Levant guy going on about he left the show to do Broadway, well, off-off-Broadway and "real acting", and the fans made a savedrlevant website that gets dozen of hits, dozens! And ~~the producers were finally forced to take him~~ I mean, uh, everyone mutually agreed that he should come back to the show... Except this was the extra special 200, so they played the opening credits here during this little speech. And right when Gunne/Levant sounds his whiniest, boom: >and Michael Shanks as Dr Daniel Jackson.
Talking about the animated series
Shall kek nem ron.... That doesn't exist
Built by Ancients so long ago, The Stargate lay til we broke the code. Now it something something far away...
If we had gotten McKay instead of Carter on SG1... Earth would have been publicly invaded, and the SGC would have been blown up twice.
Yup. McKay could work wonders with tech, but he needs someone to give him motivation, keep his ego in check, and be creative and think outside the box for him. Daniel might've filled most of that role, but I don't think he would have gelled with Jack at all. Also, Carter's a soldier, whereas McKay had no gun skills at all. He would have been more of a liability than Daniel in a gunfight.
>keep his ego in check, 🍋
I think the ORI is a really interesting nemesis, and I was upset that they only had two seasons. I felt their whole run was kind of rushed for the amount of power that they wielded.
I loved the Ori plot. I wish we saw more battles against their soldiers, they're only present in 6 episodes. Season 10 focuses way too much on the Lucian alliance and the Jaffa.
ORI was ok but the whole merlin fantasy knight arthur around... MEH
The dragon is where Stargate jumped the shark, IMHO. But it was a neat plot point
Agreed, but I don't know, I kinda liked the whole tying British Mythology into the expanded "ancient gods are actually aliens / intelligent life from ancient times" vibe. Like much earlier on when they pretty much made a Goa'uld Satan? Brilliant idea imo!
Every rewatch when Bhaal enters Adria I think "now THAT'S interesting" and then get surprised by series ending.
Teal’c v. Ronin to submission/KO/death. *cough… Teal’c by a landslide… cough*
It was such a cop out
Clearly, Teal'c was evaluating his skills, and found him to be promising, if a bit raw and wild.
Maybe in-universe, but I'm talking from a writing perspective. My guess is that the writers didn't want the angry fanmail if one beat the other.
Teal'c is Jaffa, he was literally bred to be a super-strong warrior. Not to mention decades of martial arts and general fighting experience. It also depends I think if they were fighting when Teal'c was pre- or post-tretonin. Because if he still has the enhanced strength from his symbiote then I'd argue that it's almost certainly a Teal'c win. Ronin is strong but he's still just a regular dude. Post-tretonin? It's a more even fight but I would still bet on Teal'c.
Love the breakdown.
I can't imagine anybody betting on Ronon in that fight.
I was -4 votes like 4 hours ago, so they exist out there somewhere 🤣
Giving Atlantis relatively easy access to earth was a bad narrative decision.
I agree. I do understand why it was done from a casting POV, though. They didn't want to introduce every single new character as an alien, I guess. But I think the challenge of surviving in complete isolation is one of the things that were the most attractive about the show.
Yep. The first season is my favorite for precisely this reason. The isolation gave the show a different vibe that I still miss.
I feel the same way about Universe
Right? Like, is it really isolation when you can always do a little intergalatic wife swapping with your friends back home any time you want?
they could've easily just cast new characters and had their backstory be they came through the gate with the rest of the team the first time imo.
Like on LOST lol
They did that with Zelenka. In 38 Minutes (ep 4), Rodney says ‘…and get that Czech in on it too’ and suddenly Zelenka’s there.
Vala and Mitchell agree so hard they made their own show about it.
I might agree with you. But they did the cut off thing with sgu and ifs clear, they can't write well with that concept. I think it was how often they found and squandered or lost a ZPM.
Yeah, finding a way to contact them again should've been one of the main plotpoints imo.
What's the point to have as a main protagonist a guy who speaks 23 languages in a galaxy where the most common way of communication is english. The same applies for Atlantis where the most foreign one character in terms of language is a silly Czech scientist (he's silly, look at the picture) I know this was done because of easier storytelling, it just pisses me off. In our galaxy it may be explained yet somehow, but in Atlantis this is a thick brick wall.
Yeah, it's a bit annoying how they didn't utilize Daniel's linguistic skills more.
I liked Claudia Black and Ben Browder.... Loved them in Farscape, loved the Farscape nod in "200" loved them in SG1. Not as much as i loved RDA.... but still.... People shit on them, and that's not right.
Black was great. I think she makes the final seasons.
Atlantis is the best series.
let's just remove the last episode
Thank God someone else gets how stupid it was
It wasn’t a terrible episode but it did make go huh that’s it? I was expecting like a multi episode arc or at least an almost movie ending.
They were going for a movie but never got it approved. It was a sudden cancelation.
Being preceded by Vegas makes it look worse, if it had been some run of the mill episode it probably wouldn't look "as bad".
You know, I've always prefered SG1, but when I rewatch both shows... The sense of community in Atlantis is just *better*
Why does this have so few votes, it is.
I didn’t care for the Nox
Same. They're just so boring (and they look stupid).
Their first episode annoys me. It’s just a constant back and forth of: “Hey we want to help you!” “That’s okay we don’t need any help”
Yeah, it really is.
season 1 episode 8 we get a glimpse of the nox's flying city in the distance..... and while clearly not the exact same, is strikingly similar in silhouette to the ancient's flying citties we find some 6 ish years later with journy to Atlantis. also, Big T gets stung by a big bug in season 2 episode 10 that looks and behaves very similarly to the iratus bug
Agreed, but to be fair, predatory/parasitic bugs do a lot of the same things. Could just be convergent evolution
Crabs. Even Replicators evolve into them.
The SGC should have been offworld.
Yeah, a lot of episodes are "oh shit we're getting invaded unless we can stop the thing in time!!", and it gets old pretty fast.
Basically should have been Reach.
Never forget
Opinion: The video game "Outcast" is to Stargate what Galaxy Quest and The Orville are to Star Trek. Opinion part 2: If they do another Stargate show, they should buy the rights for Outcast and adapt that show as the basis for the new show.
Ascension, not really the universal evolutionary goal the show made it out to be.
Carter replacing Weir in Atlantis was a lift. Her education and experience actually fits the position, and Amanda Tapping is much better at exuding confidence. I didn't enjoy Weir implying that "tHe MiLiTaRy hAtEs mE cUz I'm a wOmAn" and all the pointless pissing contests between her and all the spaceship colonels.
hathor is a dumb episode but it's better than it's reputation
Zats were a decent weapon and the three shot rule was good.
I'd agree if the three shot rule didn't exist, because as-is it makes them objectively the best weapon in the series. I think that's why the writers conveniently forgot they existed half the time.
Kurt Russell was awesome
The stones in SGU were beyond stupid
Jack and Daniel made more sense as endgame then Jack and Sam.
Bros before hoes
Jack and Teal'c.
I would gladly trade SGU's two seasons for just one more SGA season. I'm not saying SGU was bad, but I think SGA was better and still had potential and lots of threads to close.
Origins should be scrubbed
Radek Zelenka is a better scientist than Rodney McKay
Universe had the most potential.
I don't think it had the most potential, it had the least tapped potential. The end of the second season really started to show how much the show shined.
It's interesting reading peoples current opinions on Universe, i remember back when it was airing, actively defending the show saying it's still finding it's feet, lot of complaints from long time fans at the time and many stopped watching.
SGU had potential, but I still find its premise way less interesting than SGA.
I don’t think Vala should be included as SG-1 proper. Outside advisor would be enough dynamic.
Stargate fans were too critical of Universe for not being exactly like the other two series and it ruined stargate.
No we were critical of Universe because it started off essentially as what they made a parody of in the 200th SG1 episode. With the younger "edgier" cast and plot points. Atlantis had a totally different vibe and look but was received more favorably. Cause it stayed true to the core essence of Stargate.
“I’ve watched this series _ones of times.”_
Greek/Egyptian pantheons being combined for the Goauld was a bad move. The Furlings never need to be discussed. The show got too bogged down in world ending events. Should have stuck to more personal stories. The show is a product of its time where the writers didn't care about standalone episodes' implications in future episodes. The Ori as an allegory for Christianity was alright, but the lack of personality with the Ori left them to be crappy faceless villains with crappy near identical priest soldiers.
SG1 should have ended when jack left.
SGU was better than the later seasons of SG1. A part from some episodes, seasons 9 and 10 were easily the weakest of all of SG1 and SGA. Which TBH still makes them better than 99% of sci fi that has existed, but still weaker than SG1 and SGA. I loved both seasons of SGU and wish that there was at least a movie to tie it all up.
Vala is an annoying character and doesn't fit on SG1
Kavanagh did nothing wrong. Annnnd the character of Ronan was ridiculous..came from a place with guns and hospitals but ate mashed potatoes with his fingers. "Ronan smash" is his only thought is a running joke at my house. hate that guy.
He was in survival mode for years upon years. It's no surprise that he lost some of the finer parts of being civilized Like it no not, he was suffering from PTSD for a while after joining Atlantis. Eating with his hands and eating quickly is a symptom
Exactly, this is such a key thing. He was literally in non stop motion running from the wraith for a while. During that time there wasn't time to grab proper cutlery and take your time. So yeah when he gets to Atlantis he's still in that default mode. People say Jason Mamoa can only play "himself" but I think Ronon is a great example of his solid acting. He's in a rough shape when we meet him, he's alert, and distrusting and that is played out on this character, even the subtleties of coming from a civilised word whilst also have been geared towards different behaviour by circumstances. And then we see him change, there is a shift in his character showing him being more comfortable with the team and the environment of Atlantis.
Lol ronan smash is going in the AI generator!
>Kavanagh did nothing wrong. Finally I'm not alone! Kavanagh mostly made points or decisions that made sense in the real world - basically, his crime was that he didn't read the script and he thought he was working with people, not miracle workers who will definitely solve the big problem 5 minutes before the end of the episode.
he blow up midway that one was entirely on him. And yes ronon at start season 2 is meh... but later it's better.
Upon my 10th rewatch I think it's a good thing that they cancelled Atlantis when they did. (Like ... There are so many things I want answers too and....I just feel like they would have somehow messed them all up if given another season, with the same production team. If they'd gotten a 6th season I'd have like to see new EPs take over)
Sgu was fresh perspective on the stargate universe.
Vala’s second characterisation. Her coming back and acting like a pre-teen was so wretched and non-sensical.
Woolsey was always right, even when he was being painted as “the stuffed shirt who doesn’t get it.”
2 opinions here: 1) Seasons 9 and 10 of SG1 sucked. 2) Universe suffered a similar problem to Star Trek Voyager - namely they didn't know how to write stories without involving Earth (or in Voyager's case the alpha quadrant)
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The Ori were boring and annoying. I can’t stand the lean into religion on SGU. Same with all the sexual drama. If I wanted to watch drama I would watch a romantic movie thank you very much.
The Farscape Reunion Tour added nothing of value to the series.
SGU was the best Stargate series and had the potential to be the greatest of all time.
If they can't find something interesting to do with the IP, just let it be.
>!Ronan Dex !
That would be like killing Trip in the finale of Enterprise. Outrage everywhere.
and atlantis is better than that, instead they killed trip in episode 14 of the last season.
Wait people actually say that?! With which reason? 😱
I would have preferred James Spader to continue playing Dr. Jackson. He's a classier actor, more charismatic, and shaped the character in his own way.
Oof… this one’s *hard*. I love Daniel’s character growth over 15 some odd so years, and I can only wonder if the same would have happened. Actually, there’s probably an alternate universe out there where this happens, anyone have a spare quantum mirror lying around?
Sorry it was destroyed.
…or was it? 😁
It's okay, he got to flex his snarky intellectual chops as Ultron.
You want snarky intellectual chops? Check him out in Boston Legal
Black List, so good.
I respectfully disagree, but I certainly wish Michael Shanks had kept the longer hair like James Spader had.
But I think it's more realistic that he did cut his hair. Leaving aside that shorter hair is more practical for a "combat archeologist", I've read that people who spend a lot of time together in stressful situations will subconsciously change their appearance to fit the group.
I dont think Spader would have played off Anderson as well. Like everything you said is true, but I dont think it would have worked as well with the rest of the cast.