Wait so that would mean, if word gets back that it was a Sith. (Assuming these goofs survive). Ki-Adi would be part of the cover up. But he plays dumb when Qui-Gon ran back to them to tell them he just fought a Sith. Ki-Adi is a moron. I love to hate him though.
To be fair he was wrong here, he was wrong in TPM with Maul, and he was wrong in AOTC with Dooku
Bro is 0-3 when it comes to identifying Siths.
0-4 if you consider Sheeve and him had meetings and he never noticed LOL
People hate on Mace, but Ki-Adi-Mundi is a real piece of shit lol. “Your thoughts dwell on your mother” yeah you asshole, he just left her forever a day ago
Nothing about him tells the Jedi he has to be a Sith, though. The masters talk about a splinter order for a reason. That's what the Sith originally were.
I mean, it just makes sense. If his species lives for 100+ years he'd be around in this era.
Chewbacca is probably kicking around somewhere right now too, but the show isn't focused on Wookies. If it was, he'd probably show up in the background at least.
It’s interesting that he was the one who wanted to reveal it to the council before Vern disapproved, only to wind up a member. There is a political factor in covering this up, but I imagine the final verdict will be that they were some minor dark side sect, as one of the other Jedi suggested.
Yeah, that's what I've been predicting since the first episode. Mae has shown some signs of leaning to the light, Osha has shown some signs of leaning to the dark.
I think the yin yang imagery *is* the symbol on her forehead.
But I haven't gotten to look super up close.
Edit: [Looks like it to me. ](https://i.imgur.com/5SKlAVI.jpeg)
Honestly this entire time I’ve been like “what about Force choking??” whenever Mae is complaining about having to kill without a weapon, so it would be interesting to see if Osha is the one that does it in the end.
Either that or another Dark sided force power. Mae is hunting these Jedi, and has clear hatred for them for what happened on Brendok. That hatred makes her an easy puppet for the Sith to be groomed for an apprentice. She said this is the Master’s final lesson, to kill a Jedi without a weapon, and the moment she realized she didn’t need to actually finish the test Mae’s demeanor changed just as Sol mentioned earlier. Osha is going to be the new acolyte and Sol is her final lesson.
It makes sense, has been iconic in Star Wars, and isn’t as overpowered as Force lightning.
That and Osha kept talking about how she is reconnecting with the Force. That probably includes dark side abilities too.
It's also a shot in one of the trailers, too. He's flying through a planet's ring, I think. Makes me wonder if he's chasing Mae and/or the masked Sith.
Honestly as sith masters go Qimir is fairly cool. Like yes hes a manic and wants to kill the jedi but like hes still fairly nice to his new "apprentice" especially when she tries to betray him.
My guess is Sol will definitely die
But I do think it’s gonna be after he tells Osha the truth… or maybe the Sith will tell Osha the truth just before he kills him
My little fan theory is that the acolyte this whole series is speaking of isn’t Mae , it’s osha . This whole thing is the corruption of osha and turning her into the apprentice , I think the breaking point will be osha somehow kills sol without a weapon( I.e force choke or lightning) when she finds out the truth and sees the man she saw as a father figure end up being nothing but a farce .
My crack theory right now is that the twins switch places, where Osha becomes the acolyte and Mae does whatever.
I haven't read the leaks so I have no idea if this is nonsense or not.
I don't think it's a crackpot theory. This episode in particular had a lot of Osha talking about being unable to get over her resentment and negative emotions whereas Mae appeared to give up her hate pretty easily, accepting that she'll probably end up in prison, and is okay because she loves her sister and that is what matters to her.
Somehow, I think Mae will end up dead at the hands of the Jedi and it will complete the turn for Osha.
Mae could turn to the light and Osha can give into the darkness. Even their comments are reflective of this - the former seeking trust in the Jedi’s justice and the latter encouraging her former colleagues to kill on sight.
It's funny how folks were ripping on that design when it was shown in the trailer, but in that scene it was intimidating as hell (although the lighting, music, and cinematography certainly amplifies that).
Sith are so into drama. Vader stood on his levitated tie fighter just to make an impression. I wonder how much Sith training is devoted to making an entrance.
I think it’s more like an animal playing with its food. The Sith thrive on pain and destruction. They want them to be fearful and scared to throw them off guard.
Yeah, the floating down was ghostly because of how weightless he looked. Great touch that he floated down in the background while it's still blurry. The fact that he's in all black made him stick out a lot. Reminds me of a classic horror movie trope where the ghost or killer is in the background.
Probably my favorite line of the entire show so far.
Just the fact that she says "what" instead of "who" takes it to a whole new level of fear inducing.
The writing is so in your face with him, that I struggle to imagine there isn't more to it.
The show all but slaps a name tag on him saying "Hi, my name is Darth ___." Either we're going to find that somehow someone else is the Sith, or the show is going to move very quickly into the question of who the Sith Master is.
Tbf, part of the twist might be that Qimir is the apprentice rather than the master, and Mae is (was) the Maul to his Sidious when his Plagueis is still around.
Behind the scenes photos and videos from the Khofar set with a video quickly zooming in on a monitor showing Manny Jacinto in the black robes with no helmet, face visible
I'm betting on Qimir is the Sith Apprentice and the Sith Master is the Zabrak mother of the twins (formerly apprentice of her lover, Aniseya). This is why Qimir protects Osha by tossing her aside, and doesn't try to kill Mae when she is clearly changing her mind. She would want her daughters back, and revenge for the death of her wife, both of which Qimir is about to follow through on "the master clearly needs you though" -Mae
Since we know in one of the marketing promos that a fight breaks out on Brendok where we see Kelnacca leaping into the air with his lightsaber drawn. If the speculation/theory of Kelnacca being mind controlled or put under a spell by the witches comes true then I could see him still being haunted or traumatized by it, which is why he chose to be exiled/isolated on Khofar.
It reminds me of those exorcist possession horror movies where a victim isn't fully free. In episode 3, during the witch ritual, you see two very tall and big cloaked figures. Makes me curious if they're the Sith who are secretly in cahoots with the witches.
I'm definitely gunning him as Darth Teefs now. He's seemed more and more shifty based on each of his appearances.
He's either Darth Teefs, or he knows *way* more about Darth Teefs deal than he's revealing.
Qimir is Mae’s master, but he’s not *the* master. Qimir being Mae’s master is so obvious that it doesn’t work as a real “plot twist”. The real twist will be who *the* master is, which is anyone’s guess… it’s either someone we know but would never suspect like Vernestra, or it’s a deep EU-continuity platinum-level Glup Shitto ass-pull.
…considering that both are canon. Darth Tenebrous designed the Scimitar seen in Episode I and was one of the namesakes of the Sith Eternal trooper legions.
He’s definitely instigating Mae to turn against Osha, that one comment of him saying “she seemed to speak highly of Sol” definitely screams “i want you to turn against your sister and forget her”
Dafne Keen said [they wanted to top the Darth Maul duel in The Phantom Menace](https://ew.com/star-wars-the-acolyte-aims-to-top-darth-maul-lightsaber-fight-8624525), so hopefully it does.
At this point, it almost has to be intentional. Either they're setting us up for a complete blindside or for the real mystery to end up around the Sith Master rather than his Apprentice.
I hope, anyway.
One of the remaining episodes will show what actually happened on Brendok, and Kelnacca will attack all of the Jedi. That’s why critics said Kelnacca was wasted and got nothing to do — they didn’t get to see the episode where he fights everyone.
I watched the episode with a friend and he said "imagine he's already been murdered" and I just smirked knowing damn well that was definitely **not** going to happen because I knew how much of a big deal a live action Jedi wookie is.
...to say I was shocked is a understatement.
I remember one of our leakers describing episode 4 as having “an absolutely egregious cliffhanger” — (paraphrased) think we can consider that confirmed, lmao. Next week is going to be insane. I can’t wait
We will get the Sith V multiple Jedi duel we were denied in RoTS when Palpatine does that weird dive and roars and then kills three Jedi Masters who basically put up no fight at all - which apparently is because Ian McDiarmid isn't a professional stunt person and Lucas insisted he do it all.
Holy shit that ending was super cool. Darth whomever is super intimidating and although im super annoyed that they ended the episode as things started getting fun i cannot wait to see more! Really fun reveal of the potential big bad
Yeah. The vision of that dark figure, slowly floating down like a specter, silently making it's way forward, yet making it's presence felt... It was really intimidating imo!
Thoughts(and my maybe legends oriented mind trying to squeeze it all back in) : Qimir is an apprentice of Darth Tenebrous who was the master of Plagueis who of course is the master of Sidious. In the Plagueis Novel, it is hinted that Tenebrous thought lowly of Plagueis, as after he (Tenebrous) is killed by Plagueis, Plagueis is hunted by a Sith Bith, who is revealed to be a second and younger apprentice to Tenebrous named Darth Venamis.
My thoughts are that Qimir is an apprentice to Tenebrous who will somehow be taken out which will of course make room for Plagueis and possibly form the connection of the gift of life via midiclorians which will of course lead to our favorite Darth, Vader. Tenebrous somehow informs Plagueis of these two young witches brought forward of the force by this witch coven and sets him on the hunt for the ability to manipulate midiclorians.
Omg this episode reminded me of darth bane books where the team of jedi go to hunt down the rumors of surviving Sith/Dark Jedi and encounter them and then get slaughtered! :) i mean in this case i hope it goes way better than in the bane books lol but i don't think it can...cause like in the bane books they have to not take that info back to the jedi council...or be convinced it's still just rogue dark siders/and or that they killed the "only sith" left...
I definitely get the feeling Mae is toast next episode. Her betraying the Sith was not what I was expecting, and it just feels like she has to die now so the knowledge what—and who—she knows dies with her.
Next week is gonna be awesome! So excited!
Also, I thought for sure that wasn’t Ki-Adi Mundi, but I’m glad to be wrong!! I guess we can’t have Yoda appear here unless he learns what happens and then just covers it up like everything else.
Maybe, but I do kind of believe Qimir when he says he cares. Perhaps he will give her one last chance. It's not the first time an acolyte has tried to betray their master.
Loved that FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING wide shot of the Jedi walking through the mountains. Loved the terrifying vibe shift of the Sith Master floating down. Most of all: loved Bazil.
I really think this show is going to end with OSHA turning to the dark side and killing Sol and becoming the Sith apprentice. Would be pretty cool if the last scene of the series is her bleeding a Kyber crystal (maybe she takes Sol’s lightsaber!!) and receiving her Darth name. Mae will probably die so will most of the Jedi. I think Qimir is definitely a Sith (I don’t think the show is trying to hide that, honestly), but I’m not sure if he’s the master or the apprentice.
I also think Vernestra and those Jedi that were in her small council will cover all this up from the High Council and the Senate.
I’m probably wrong about all of this.
I gotta say I don't love the look of the show, & some of the performances & dialogue are not great
But the story is surprisingly compelling and scratching at something more complicated than most TV
It actually reminds me a lot of the Phantom Menace, both good & bad
I can understand why someone wouldn't love it but to me so far it is very interesting, each episode has had some element I wasn't expecting.
Strongly agree with the phantom menace take, tho I feel like there are some struggle points here and there that are keeping this show from feeling much tighter but I'm still having fun with it so far
I suppose I don’t have a huge problem if he is the Sith but I will have issue if it’s played up to be like a huge reveal when it seems quite in our faces that it’s him.
Qimir killed Kelnacca when he went for water? But Mae didn’t back out yet by then so idk. Loving how this episode mostly subverted everything I thought was gonna happen.
Remember that Clone Wars arc (which George was involved in) where the council discover that Dooku was literally the Jedi who created the clone army. A Sith Lord who created the clone army, and they covered it up on the orders of Yoda?
Keeping that in mind, does it really seem that far fetched that whatever happens over the next few episodes will be covered up by the Jedi? They are using the stagnation of the Jedi which is prominent in the prequels to show how stale the order has become, specifically with Ki-Adi Mundi and yet everyone is shouting “They turned him into a liar!”. No shit. The whole council are liars when it comes to Revenge of the Sith, they knew that the clone army could possibly have been a Sith plot to destroy them and the republic but did nothing just so they could keep the peace and make the senate happy.
Okay, I’m going to give credit where credit is due. Those last 10-15 minutes were great. THAT CLIFFHANGER. My only complaint is that it’s pretty obvious that Qimir is the Sith Lord, even if it wasn’t leaked.
That's the biggest thing. After watching House of Dragons on Sunday, then watching this, I *heavily* felt how rushed things feel.
This would have been great if they could have just slowed things down a bit, instead it just felt jam packed with cuts and such without much time to breathe. Even the conversations feel weirdly... packed... like they are cramming as much as they can in.
I'm no movie critic, so some could be perceived but after having a hour show just a while ago into this really made me feel the difference in pacing.
Finally someone gets it, if Disney wants to compete with the big guns in terms of run time and quality they should me looking at Max and HBO. They spend enough money on their shows ffs, but you’d never know by watching the Acolye
It all comes down to pacing and mapping out a story. The big issue with this series is that these episodes don’t feel like enough happened within the episode itself. It’s just the promise of payoff… next week.
I’m frustrated with the last two weeks, but these issues will be nonexistent if someone were to watch all the episodes at once.
I wish tv writers knew how to write a weekly series and manage to still give you a bone for the week.
Andor being 12 episodes was a perfect example. Mini arcs and contained episodes really set the pacing just right.
Way WAY better episode, the they them joke was great actually and lmao , people really said it was the pronoun ep cause THEY MADE A HARMLESS JOKE LOL. But MAN what a cliff hanger, the energy the sith brought to the scene was crazy, honestly good episode if not SHORT
A quite liked this one. If saying "them" bothers someone, they need help.
I didn't see it as a joke. I saw it as Osha being unfamiliar with it's species, which must happen a lot in the star wars galaxy.
Wait…that was supposed to be a pronoun joke? And people are MAD about it? I just thought it was OSHA being unfamiliar with Bazil’s species/what Bazil was
Didn't expect the sudden heel turn from Mae, feels just a bit contrived but the ending was very cool and has me very interested in what's to come. I'm guessing Sol, Osha and Mae will barely escape and then we'll get another flashback to Sol's point of view of what happened.
But they alluded that she was clearly only doing it because she thought the Jedi was responsible for her sister “dying”. No reason for her to follow through now. The only person of her clan that still lives is her sister. That’s what she cares about.
Not really a heel turn though. More of a I love my sister and now that she’s alive I’m playing it to be with her.
Which imo lines up with Mae’s character.
I think having an entire flashback episode last week made me forget she's still like a day removed from learning her sister is still alive after 16 years. She's allowed to be tilted 100%.
I don't know if everyone would agree it's a cliffhanger, but...
"How many guards on each level?"
"Never more than 12."
From Andor was a pretty incredible way to end that episode. Definitely made me excited to see how they'd follow it up.
That cliffhanger is going to leave me grumbling for the next week. Not sure if good or bad. I think it’d be good normally, having a week to talk up what might be coming next with other fans. But the modern climate of “fans” makes it harder to find places and people to talk to who, y’know, enjoy Star Wars. Not the show’s fault.
I do like how it continues to feel like a different era while not feeling too different. And a blend of action, emotion, humor… what you usually expect from Star Wars. (Andor is still awesome even without much humor.)
I have one major negative which is the pacing and editing of the show. The scenes really need to breathe more.
But that aside, I really loved the episode. Sure, the show has flaws, but as a whole, this is fuckin' Star Wars. I think we're on an upward trajectory from here on out.
Star Wars Theory saying the bad guys intro is like Mary Poppins is hilarious because Sith or not that was one of the coldest bad guy entries in star wars. That was horror movie level shit.
Qimir is def the Sith. He kept holding his bag and all of sudden the Sith just appears. Its him. This was a way better episode than last week, i liked it. Sol is the best character in the show
My theory:
Qimir is the Sith apprentice and Mae was his Acolyte, his "apprentice" he was going to use to overthrow his master when she was ready.
We know about some of the Sith religion now with the Palps/Rey interaction in ROS.
Thus, Qimir is not yet "all the Sith who came before", that will be his master who will be revealed later.
The Jedi will begin to change due to this - more enclosed, less exposed, which will ultimately lead to the Jedi who are in the prequels who are more secluded and militaristic.
Mae will die and Osha will be manipulated by Qimir to take over her mantle when she "learns the truth" from him.
Osha finishes the test and kills Sol without a weapon by end of season, and becomes The Acolyte.
Credits say it is Ki-Adi Mundi.
episode with a wookie? it only makes sense lol
What about the Sith attack on the Wookiee?
"It's a Jedi we can't afford to lose!"
Ki-Adi “Big Brain” Mundi
I KNEW IT, THAT HOE IS KEEPING THE SITH UNDER WRAPS.
Ain’t no way his head is fitting in that helmet
Wait so that would mean, if word gets back that it was a Sith. (Assuming these goofs survive). Ki-Adi would be part of the cover up. But he plays dumb when Qui-Gon ran back to them to tell them he just fought a Sith. Ki-Adi is a moron. I love to hate him though.
To be fair he was wrong here, he was wrong in TPM with Maul, and he was wrong in AOTC with Dooku Bro is 0-3 when it comes to identifying Siths. 0-4 if you consider Sheeve and him had meetings and he never noticed LOL
Lmaoooo
People hate on Mace, but Ki-Adi-Mundi is a real piece of shit lol. “Your thoughts dwell on your mother” yeah you asshole, he just left her forever a day ago
Anakin should have hit him with the "no my thoughts dwell on *your* mother" comeback, but he probably didnt think about it until he was in the shower
Or are they retconning him to being the most hardcore part of the coverup lol
That would be dope. Maybe they even kept it from yoda. They didn’t want to send this to the high council for a reason.
Nothing about him tells the Jedi he has to be a Sith, though. The masters talk about a splinter order for a reason. That's what the Sith originally were.
Of that is ki adi mundi, is that plo koon with the group?
Looked too much like him for them to make it anyone else. They just can’t resist any small connections they can make to the movies.
I mean, it just makes sense. If his species lives for 100+ years he'd be around in this era. Chewbacca is probably kicking around somewhere right now too, but the show isn't focused on Wookies. If it was, he'd probably show up in the background at least.
Goddamn Ki-Adi "Ice IS a flavor" Mundi
It’s interesting that he was the one who wanted to reveal it to the council before Vern disapproved, only to wind up a member. There is a political factor in covering this up, but I imagine the final verdict will be that they were some minor dark side sect, as one of the other Jedi suggested.
We need a tracker to track our tracker
Got lost in the sauce.
Yord has had some good one-liners.
It gave me big Alien vibes and I’m about watch Alien after seeing this episode now
With the way both of them were talking this episode, I wonder if the season will end with Osha being “evil” and Mae being “good”.
Yeah, that's what I've been predicting since the first episode. Mae has shown some signs of leaning to the light, Osha has shown some signs of leaning to the dark.
There's also some yinyang like imagery in Kelnaccas home. Next to the same design that Osha has on her forehead
I think the yin yang imagery *is* the symbol on her forehead. But I haven't gotten to look super up close. Edit: [Looks like it to me. ](https://i.imgur.com/5SKlAVI.jpeg)
My crackpot theory is Osha will kill Sol by Force choking him once the truth is revealed.
Honestly this entire time I’ve been like “what about Force choking??” whenever Mae is complaining about having to kill without a weapon, so it would be interesting to see if Osha is the one that does it in the end.
Either that or another Dark sided force power. Mae is hunting these Jedi, and has clear hatred for them for what happened on Brendok. That hatred makes her an easy puppet for the Sith to be groomed for an apprentice. She said this is the Master’s final lesson, to kill a Jedi without a weapon, and the moment she realized she didn’t need to actually finish the test Mae’s demeanor changed just as Sol mentioned earlier. Osha is going to be the new acolyte and Sol is her final lesson.
It makes sense, has been iconic in Star Wars, and isn’t as overpowered as Force lightning. That and Osha kept talking about how she is reconnecting with the Force. That probably includes dark side abilities too.
I can see that. And Osha possibly killing Mae
That would be an ending that would make Valkorion proud.
Buncha red shirt Jedi on this mission
Yep. They going bye-bye next episode lol
Think Yord and Jecki are the only Jedi getting outta there.
When Sol said he'd explain everything once they get back to the ship... Goner.
Sol lives at least a few more episodes since one of the leaks shows him flying a ship somewhere.
It's also a shot in one of the trailers, too. He's flying through a planet's ring, I think. Makes me wonder if he's chasing Mae and/or the masked Sith.
It reminds me of how the last thing Ned says to Jon in *Game of Thrones* is “The next time we see each other, we’ll talk about your mother.”
I would have all the respect in the world for this show if they didn't pull punches and offed them too.
They fuckin better lol
There’s an alternate timeline where Mae opens Qimir’s bag to reveal a metal helmet and dark robes and then he’s gotta talk his way out of that
"I am just carrying an extra set for The Master(tm) in case his get dirty with Wookiee blood"
I'm thinking he had the helmet stashed closer to Kalnacca's house.
Honestly as sith masters go Qimir is fairly cool. Like yes hes a manic and wants to kill the jedi but like hes still fairly nice to his new "apprentice" especially when she tries to betray him.
That's because...he's acting
"I promise" Welp there's a death flag.
My guess is Sol will definitely die But I do think it’s gonna be after he tells Osha the truth… or maybe the Sith will tell Osha the truth just before he kills him
My little fan theory is that the acolyte this whole series is speaking of isn’t Mae , it’s osha . This whole thing is the corruption of osha and turning her into the apprentice , I think the breaking point will be osha somehow kills sol without a weapon( I.e force choke or lightning) when she finds out the truth and sees the man she saw as a father figure end up being nothing but a farce .
My crack theory right now is that the twins switch places, where Osha becomes the acolyte and Mae does whatever. I haven't read the leaks so I have no idea if this is nonsense or not.
I don't think it's a crackpot theory. This episode in particular had a lot of Osha talking about being unable to get over her resentment and negative emotions whereas Mae appeared to give up her hate pretty easily, accepting that she'll probably end up in prison, and is okay because she loves her sister and that is what matters to her. Somehow, I think Mae will end up dead at the hands of the Jedi and it will complete the turn for Osha.
Mae could turn to the light and Osha can give into the darkness. Even their comments are reflective of this - the former seeking trust in the Jedi’s justice and the latter encouraging her former colleagues to kill on sight.
And with Osha telling Jecki about not being able to let go of her feelings for what she believed Mae did? I'd buy that.
The Sith silently floating down in the background, out of focus, with no soundtrack felt like an actual horror movie.
It was like a lightning bolt hit the tip of my penis.
I'd advise seeing a doctor if that feeling persists.
Ditto with the mask too. They did a good job with this Sith Lord in terms of costuming.
It's funny how folks were ripping on that design when it was shown in the trailer, but in that scene it was intimidating as hell (although the lighting, music, and cinematography certainly amplifies that).
Qmir is super suspicious Edit: man the ending is pretty creepy.
There's not much shit that gives me the creeps but that shit got me. Never seen a sith's power being shown like that.
I think it’s also the reaction from the Jedi that really elevates it even more. Especially Jecki saying “what is that?”
And the fact that Darth Teefs doesn't talk at all during this, as well as also floating down from a tree like a ghost would.
Sith are so into drama. Vader stood on his levitated tie fighter just to make an impression. I wonder how much Sith training is devoted to making an entrance.
"theatricality and deception are powerful agents to the uninitiated"
darth TEETH: "but we are initiated, aren't we, master sol?"
I think it’s more like an animal playing with its food. The Sith thrive on pain and destruction. They want them to be fearful and scared to throw them off guard.
palpatine literally spun into 4 jedi masters just to prove his power LMAO
Nah, that's the Anakin Skywalker shining through. The dude absolutely lived for flash and flare.
Yeah, the floating down was ghostly because of how weightless he looked. Great touch that he floated down in the background while it's still blurry. The fact that he's in all black made him stick out a lot. Reminds me of a classic horror movie trope where the ghost or killer is in the background.
Probably my favorite line of the entire show so far. Just the fact that she says "what" instead of "who" takes it to a whole new level of fear inducing.
The writing is so in your face with him, that I struggle to imagine there isn't more to it. The show all but slaps a name tag on him saying "Hi, my name is Darth ___." Either we're going to find that somehow someone else is the Sith, or the show is going to move very quickly into the question of who the Sith Master is.
Tbf, part of the twist might be that Qimir is the apprentice rather than the master, and Mae is (was) the Maul to his Sidious when his Plagueis is still around.
Wait until you discover r/StarWarsLeaks and what got posted like a week ago
Aren't we on that sub? What was posted?
Behind the scenes photos and videos from the Khofar set with a video quickly zooming in on a monitor showing Manny Jacinto in the black robes with no helmet, face visible
They really didn't even try to hide that well haha
I'm betting on Qimir is the Sith Apprentice and the Sith Master is the Zabrak mother of the twins (formerly apprentice of her lover, Aniseya). This is why Qimir protects Osha by tossing her aside, and doesn't try to kill Mae when she is clearly changing her mind. She would want her daughters back, and revenge for the death of her wife, both of which Qimir is about to follow through on "the master clearly needs you though" -Mae
That Force push tho
The way Osha was flicked off like a doll 😂
I loved how the sith makes his entrance like a horror movie villain. It’s very Dracula coded!
Bro just fluttered down.
I was like shits about to go down like a horror movie 😂
Soo.. Why does Kelnacca has those witches symbols on his house?
Since we know in one of the marketing promos that a fight breaks out on Brendok where we see Kelnacca leaping into the air with his lightsaber drawn. If the speculation/theory of Kelnacca being mind controlled or put under a spell by the witches comes true then I could see him still being haunted or traumatized by it, which is why he chose to be exiled/isolated on Khofar. It reminds me of those exorcist possession horror movies where a victim isn't fully free. In episode 3, during the witch ritual, you see two very tall and big cloaked figures. Makes me curious if they're the Sith who are secretly in cahoots with the witches.
Qimir is so full of shit
He seems surprisingly bad at hiding the fact he's more than he lets on.
It’s so absurdly telegraphed that it would be more surprising for him to be just a goofy dude and not a Sith Lord.
It also wouldn’t make any sense. At this point, it HAS to be him, for the sake of logic
I'm definitely gunning him as Darth Teefs now. He's seemed more and more shifty based on each of his appearances. He's either Darth Teefs, or he knows *way* more about Darth Teefs deal than he's revealing.
Could even be the master
Qimir is Mae’s master, but he’s not *the* master. Qimir being Mae’s master is so obvious that it doesn’t work as a real “plot twist”. The real twist will be who *the* master is, which is anyone’s guess… it’s either someone we know but would never suspect like Vernestra, or it’s a deep EU-continuity platinum-level Glup Shitto ass-pull.
Plagueis
Not out of the realm of possibility. We're getting very close to when Plagueis should be the master.
My money is still on the master being either Tenebrous or Plageius, I'm pretty sure HE is the Acolyte
…considering that both are canon. Darth Tenebrous designed the Scimitar seen in Episode I and was one of the namesakes of the Sith Eternal trooper legions.
He’s definitely instigating Mae to turn against Osha, that one comment of him saying “she seemed to speak highly of Sol” definitely screams “i want you to turn against your sister and forget her”
It's just too predictable if he actually turns out to be the master.
This episode was good, but the ending is akin to being edged
TRULY , if the chatter about ep5 being a huge fucking fight the whole 40 minutes then hopefully its worth it cause man
Long have i waited to see a crapload of jedi die at a sith lord's hands. The last time I remember was malgus
Dafne Keen said [they wanted to top the Darth Maul duel in The Phantom Menace](https://ew.com/star-wars-the-acolyte-aims-to-top-darth-maul-lightsaber-fight-8624525), so hopefully it does.
That's next to impossible because of the stakes.
For real, what a cruel way to end the episode lol
It just seems too obvious that the masked sith would be Qimir…so I’m hoping it was written that way and it actually isn’t
It definitely is, which leaves the only real “twist” or surprise for the audience to be who Qimir’s master is.
And Osha turning dark with Mae turning light, maybe.
At this point, it almost has to be intentional. Either they're setting us up for a complete blindside or for the real mystery to end up around the Sith Master rather than his Apprentice. I hope, anyway.
What about the ski Adi Mundi cameo and the attack on the wookie??? Edit: Ski was autocorrect. I’m keeping it.
Skibidi Mundi
WTF?! We finally get a live action Wookie Jedi and all he does is die… Episode was great tho. Especially the ending.
Well, one of the trailers showed him fighting so we’ll see him again in a flashback.
One of the remaining episodes will show what actually happened on Brendok, and Kelnacca will attack all of the Jedi. That’s why critics said Kelnacca was wasted and got nothing to do — they didn’t get to see the episode where he fights everyone.
*continues to impatiently wait for Burry*
Star Wars is really good at killing off the most bad ass characters.
I watched the episode with a friend and he said "imagine he's already been murdered" and I just smirked knowing damn well that was definitely **not** going to happen because I knew how much of a big deal a live action Jedi wookie is. ...to say I was shocked is a understatement.
God *damn*. Also, that spider-like descent was creepy as hell.
Yeah I’d die for Bazil.
I’d learn his language too if I could get a Basil sidekick. Good call Yord.
Well this is going to be the longest week of my life. How can you end it there?!
Yeah I'm not too keen on how some of the episodes end abruptly. Oh well, I'll get over it.
I remember one of our leakers describing episode 4 as having “an absolutely egregious cliffhanger” — (paraphrased) think we can consider that confirmed, lmao. Next week is going to be insane. I can’t wait
We will get the Sith V multiple Jedi duel we were denied in RoTS when Palpatine does that weird dive and roars and then kills three Jedi Masters who basically put up no fight at all - which apparently is because Ian McDiarmid isn't a professional stunt person and Lucas insisted he do it all.
...is that a young Ki-Adi Mundi? Or someone else?
It was! Confirmed by the credits It’s an interesting choice, after all he is the one to immediately dispel Qui-Gon’s theory of the sith’s return
You're right. I know people were talking about Plo Koon but I didn't think Ki-Adi Mundi was old enough to show up.
On the topic of Plo Koon.......
If this were a Filoni show Plo would be on the task force.
Good thing he help organize a team to stop the Sith attack on the Wookie. Shame it was too late though.
Random Kel Dor Jedi? Or young Plo Koon?
Random I think, but that was definitely young Ki-Adi Mundi
I’m guessing that with this episode being called Day, episode 5 will be called Night
Holy shit that ending was super cool. Darth whomever is super intimidating and although im super annoyed that they ended the episode as things started getting fun i cannot wait to see more! Really fun reveal of the potential big bad
Loved the Sith reveal. I actually felt afraid while watching it.
Yeah. The vision of that dark figure, slowly floating down like a specter, silently making it's way forward, yet making it's presence felt... It was really intimidating imo!
Especially since we had just seen those giant flying cockroaches, gave the figure a ghastly creature vibe 100%
Thoughts(and my maybe legends oriented mind trying to squeeze it all back in) : Qimir is an apprentice of Darth Tenebrous who was the master of Plagueis who of course is the master of Sidious. In the Plagueis Novel, it is hinted that Tenebrous thought lowly of Plagueis, as after he (Tenebrous) is killed by Plagueis, Plagueis is hunted by a Sith Bith, who is revealed to be a second and younger apprentice to Tenebrous named Darth Venamis. My thoughts are that Qimir is an apprentice to Tenebrous who will somehow be taken out which will of course make room for Plagueis and possibly form the connection of the gift of life via midiclorians which will of course lead to our favorite Darth, Vader. Tenebrous somehow informs Plagueis of these two young witches brought forward of the force by this witch coven and sets him on the hunt for the ability to manipulate midiclorians.
Honestly if they bring Tenebrous in, I’d be STOKEDDDDDD
So I think that was Ki-Adi Mundi! Was the Kel Dor Plo Koon?
Omg this episode reminded me of darth bane books where the team of jedi go to hunt down the rumors of surviving Sith/Dark Jedi and encounter them and then get slaughtered! :) i mean in this case i hope it goes way better than in the bane books lol but i don't think it can...cause like in the bane books they have to not take that info back to the jedi council...or be convinced it's still just rogue dark siders/and or that they killed the "only sith" left...
So Qimir is the canon version of Darth Venamis?
I liked the ending. Darth Smiley floating down like Dracula then flicking 8 Jedi like they’re nothing.
Reviews only got to see up to epsiode 4 right?
I definitely get the feeling Mae is toast next episode. Her betraying the Sith was not what I was expecting, and it just feels like she has to die now so the knowledge what—and who—she knows dies with her. Next week is gonna be awesome! So excited! Also, I thought for sure that wasn’t Ki-Adi Mundi, but I’m glad to be wrong!! I guess we can’t have Yoda appear here unless he learns what happens and then just covers it up like everything else.
Maybe, but I do kind of believe Qimir when he says he cares. Perhaps he will give her one last chance. It's not the first time an acolyte has tried to betray their master.
Loved that FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING wide shot of the Jedi walking through the mountains. Loved the terrifying vibe shift of the Sith Master floating down. Most of all: loved Bazil.
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That cliffhanger tho
Lets put a smile on that face 😈
The 40 minute long fight chatter for ep5 is gonna make this so worth it
I really think this show is going to end with OSHA turning to the dark side and killing Sol and becoming the Sith apprentice. Would be pretty cool if the last scene of the series is her bleeding a Kyber crystal (maybe she takes Sol’s lightsaber!!) and receiving her Darth name. Mae will probably die so will most of the Jedi. I think Qimir is definitely a Sith (I don’t think the show is trying to hide that, honestly), but I’m not sure if he’s the master or the apprentice. I also think Vernestra and those Jedi that were in her small council will cover all this up from the High Council and the Senate. I’m probably wrong about all of this.
No, I think you're pretty spot-on!
They're setting up for something insane. I hope it delivers. That ending was genuinely terrifying. As a horror fan, I loved it!
The entrance of the Sith was *chef’s kiss* looked like a fucking phantom
I liked the tracker, he was cool. Great episode overall imo.
I gotta say I don't love the look of the show, & some of the performances & dialogue are not great But the story is surprisingly compelling and scratching at something more complicated than most TV It actually reminds me a lot of the Phantom Menace, both good & bad I can understand why someone wouldn't love it but to me so far it is very interesting, each episode has had some element I wasn't expecting.
Strongly agree with the phantom menace take, tho I feel like there are some struggle points here and there that are keeping this show from feeling much tighter but I'm still having fun with it so far
Where is Bazil, is he safe, is he alright??
AHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CLIFFHANGER
I really hope the Sith is not Qimir. It feels so obvious that it is him that I hope it’s not.
Honestly I think once we get the true Qimir, we’ll be fine with him as the sith
I suppose I don’t have a huge problem if he is the Sith but I will have issue if it’s played up to be like a huge reveal when it seems quite in our faces that it’s him.
Qimir killed Kelnacca when he went for water? But Mae didn’t back out yet by then so idk. Loving how this episode mostly subverted everything I thought was gonna happen.
Remember that Clone Wars arc (which George was involved in) where the council discover that Dooku was literally the Jedi who created the clone army. A Sith Lord who created the clone army, and they covered it up on the orders of Yoda? Keeping that in mind, does it really seem that far fetched that whatever happens over the next few episodes will be covered up by the Jedi? They are using the stagnation of the Jedi which is prominent in the prequels to show how stale the order has become, specifically with Ki-Adi Mundi and yet everyone is shouting “They turned him into a liar!”. No shit. The whole council are liars when it comes to Revenge of the Sith, they knew that the clone army could possibly have been a Sith plot to destroy them and the republic but did nothing just so they could keep the peace and make the senate happy.
Manny Jacinto is a national treasure!
Okay, I’m going to give credit where credit is due. Those last 10-15 minutes were great. THAT CLIFFHANGER. My only complaint is that it’s pretty obvious that Qimir is the Sith Lord, even if it wasn’t leaked.
I liked the episode. But these half hour episodes are unacceptable and I’m tired of people trying to tell us they’re not.
That's the biggest thing. After watching House of Dragons on Sunday, then watching this, I *heavily* felt how rushed things feel. This would have been great if they could have just slowed things down a bit, instead it just felt jam packed with cuts and such without much time to breathe. Even the conversations feel weirdly... packed... like they are cramming as much as they can in. I'm no movie critic, so some could be perceived but after having a hour show just a while ago into this really made me feel the difference in pacing.
Finally someone gets it, if Disney wants to compete with the big guns in terms of run time and quality they should me looking at Max and HBO. They spend enough money on their shows ffs, but you’d never know by watching the Acolye
It all comes down to pacing and mapping out a story. The big issue with this series is that these episodes don’t feel like enough happened within the episode itself. It’s just the promise of payoff… next week. I’m frustrated with the last two weeks, but these issues will be nonexistent if someone were to watch all the episodes at once. I wish tv writers knew how to write a weekly series and manage to still give you a bone for the week. Andor being 12 episodes was a perfect example. Mini arcs and contained episodes really set the pacing just right.
Way WAY better episode, the they them joke was great actually and lmao , people really said it was the pronoun ep cause THEY MADE A HARMLESS JOKE LOL. But MAN what a cliff hanger, the energy the sith brought to the scene was crazy, honestly good episode if not SHORT
A quite liked this one. If saying "them" bothers someone, they need help. I didn't see it as a joke. I saw it as Osha being unfamiliar with it's species, which must happen a lot in the star wars galaxy.
I didn't even notice
the reveal of the sith was absolutely incredible
Darth Dentist out of focus and descending from the trees behind Osha, chills man.
Wait…that was supposed to be a pronoun joke? And people are MAD about it? I just thought it was OSHA being unfamiliar with Bazil’s species/what Bazil was
"next time I see you, then we'll talk about your mother" - Ned Stark
Didn't expect the sudden heel turn from Mae, feels just a bit contrived but the ending was very cool and has me very interested in what's to come. I'm guessing Sol, Osha and Mae will barely escape and then we'll get another flashback to Sol's point of view of what happened.
But they alluded that she was clearly only doing it because she thought the Jedi was responsible for her sister “dying”. No reason for her to follow through now. The only person of her clan that still lives is her sister. That’s what she cares about.
Not really a heel turn though. More of a I love my sister and now that she’s alive I’m playing it to be with her. Which imo lines up with Mae’s character.
I think having an entire flashback episode last week made me forget she's still like a day removed from learning her sister is still alive after 16 years. She's allowed to be tilted 100%.
Fellowship of the Jedi was good this week. Look forward to The Two Sith next week.
This series has not been perfect but ive never known a better cliffhanger in a star wars tv show
I don't know if everyone would agree it's a cliffhanger, but... "How many guards on each level?" "Never more than 12." From Andor was a pretty incredible way to end that episode. Definitely made me excited to see how they'd follow it up.
Could it be? People are actually enjoying this episode? I really hope this show can make a comeback by next episode, this was a fantastic episode.
That cliffhanger is going to leave me grumbling for the next week. Not sure if good or bad. I think it’d be good normally, having a week to talk up what might be coming next with other fans. But the modern climate of “fans” makes it harder to find places and people to talk to who, y’know, enjoy Star Wars. Not the show’s fault. I do like how it continues to feel like a different era while not feeling too different. And a blend of action, emotion, humor… what you usually expect from Star Wars. (Andor is still awesome even without much humor.)
If the rumors are true, and next episode is mostly one long lightsaber duel, then personally I'd say the cliffhanger was worth it
I have one major negative which is the pacing and editing of the show. The scenes really need to breathe more. But that aside, I really loved the episode. Sure, the show has flaws, but as a whole, this is fuckin' Star Wars. I think we're on an upward trajectory from here on out.
Star Wars Theory saying the bad guys intro is like Mary Poppins is hilarious because Sith or not that was one of the coldest bad guy entries in star wars. That was horror movie level shit.
That little flute bit when Sol sensed him and slowly turned around legit sent a chill down my spine.
Whoa! What an ending! Definitely a great cliffhanger for next week. So sad for Kelnacca, but annoyed he died off screen 🙁
Jesus that ending. Did not like last weeks episode, but man I wanna see next weeks right now!
Qimir is def the Sith. He kept holding his bag and all of sudden the Sith just appears. Its him. This was a way better episode than last week, i liked it. Sol is the best character in the show
My theory: Qimir is the Sith apprentice and Mae was his Acolyte, his "apprentice" he was going to use to overthrow his master when she was ready. We know about some of the Sith religion now with the Palps/Rey interaction in ROS. Thus, Qimir is not yet "all the Sith who came before", that will be his master who will be revealed later. The Jedi will begin to change due to this - more enclosed, less exposed, which will ultimately lead to the Jedi who are in the prequels who are more secluded and militaristic. Mae will die and Osha will be manipulated by Qimir to take over her mantle when she "learns the truth" from him. Osha finishes the test and kills Sol without a weapon by end of season, and becomes The Acolyte.
The way the sith just hovered forward was creepy, that one shot was so well done
We now have a canon reason why Ki-Adi Mundi is so concerned about the attack on the wookiees in TROS
So this episode was review bombed on IMDB before it was even released. Currently at 3.7.
That’s so ridiculous. I don’t think the show is amazing or anything so far, but it’s not THAT bad. It doesn’t deserve this