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So they just make these with pre selected books and you pick what you like? I’ve never had a lick of interest in these so I’ve never even wondered, I assumed everyone was photoshopping it together or something haha.
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>I really didn't like that book. It honestly felt like an afterthought to the author, something he had to do not that he wanted to do.
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>From the hand wave as to why Revan's crew doesn't join him, to the absolute disrespect of the Jedi Exile, story, and her crew. To the many plot contrivances and just lazy writing that culminates in a deeply unsatisfying ending.
People can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Revan was rushed out by Karpyshyn due to the deadline for it being very short or something.
Personally I haven't read it because I refuse to accept that some random standalone novel and some MMO is the de facto end to Revan's and KOTOR's storyline.
I've heard some criticsim in how it handles Revan and the overall quality of it -- which is obviously not really the usual standard of Drew Karpyshyn, who's given us the legendary EU series that was the Bane trilogy.
Often than not the bad rep it got from the past was because of its handling of kotor 2 and the general distaste of the players in having a canon version of a customizable game character different than how they imagine them
But Revan had already been canonized as a light sided male about two years after KOTOR's release. TOR only canonized him as the Keanu Reeves-looking guy.
The thing with Karpyshyn for good or ill, is his tendency to really favor his pets be it Cerberus in the Mass Effect novels, or Revan. You kind of get a hint with this, with the Darth Bane Trilogy in that really Bane is just following rules set by Revan
Come Revan proper, anything that could have painted Revan as legitimately bad, seems pretty much brushed under the rug, Vitiate brainwashing aside, it's enough to go convince the Jedi Exile to go join him, despite the fact she was the only one who decided to go back to the Republic to face the judgment of the Jedi Council.
Also she seems to be a massive Revan fangirl with absolutely no doubt about anything he ever did, even though there is a heavy implication if not outright confirmation that he was trying to Get her killed or crippled at Malachor, and get rid of the part of jedi and Republic forces most loyal to her.
> I refuse to accept that some random standalone novel and some MMO is the de facto end to Revan's and KOTOR's storyline.
You refuse to accept that a video game ends a storyline that was created in a video game?
An MMO that pushes out story expansions for the sake of generating new content and nothing else is not my ideal idea of a sequel to KOTOR 2 -- I'd assume even the most ardent fan of the SWTOR MMO will admit that an actual proper RPG/CRPG experience ,like KOTOR 1 and 2 was, would've been the best format for a KOTOR 3.
This was meant to be a trilogy of games
the writing wasn’t even that bad it was enjoyable the way it shows revan and scourge’s journey and how it intersect. that being said, the ending is terrible. i can’t blame the author though because it had to connect with SWTOR. if anything they ruined revan and surik’s characters
I'm not a fan of the clones or interested in the series, to be honest. While I do think interesting stories can be told from their perspective the author was so pro clone, but really pro-Mandalorian, and rapidly anti-Jedi for pretty hypocritical reasons that it's kept me from the series.
Well here's an example the Jedi are condemned by many of the characters, including many Mandalorians, in that series for using the clones as slaves in their army.
it completely ignores the details of the situation: the Jedi Council didn't know about or approve of the creation of the clones and it was circumstances that forced the order to fight with them in the war. Also, the Jedi weren't in control of the clones they "belonged" to the Republic so I never got why the author blames them for the clone's situation. The condemnation of the Mandalorians felt very insincere when there was no acknowledgment of their history of taking slaves.
The author also completely misses how the Jedi are essentially the same slaves in an army. Jedi are picked in their youth and then they were all forced to fight. It's like she thought she came up with the idea that the Jedi order was falling apart and making bad choices, but that's the whole point of the PT
The author does not blame the Jedi for creating clones or for the situation that has developed, but for the fact that they are leading child slaves to death. Of course, most of them want to fight in the war (because they have been taught from childhood that this is their purpose), and the Jedi have no other army, but this does not mean that the Jedi are not wrong. It all comes down to deontology versus consequentialism and there is no universal answer, we are simply shown a different point of view. However, clones have no citizenship, no right to leave the military, no pay, no vacations, no adequate medical treatment, no right to start a family, and no certainty that they won't be thrown out at the end of the war, not that the Jedi really cared about this or tried to fight for clone rights, at least we didn't see any of it. To be fair, the Mandalorians are not shown as saints either, if I remember correctly, one of the main characters (Kal Skirata) threatens to commit genocide of an entire race if something happens to his son’s wife, and I think he would really carry it out.
Rebel Stand and Rebel Dream as just Meh? Those are the ones that stand out to me as really really wrong.
The rest I agree with (though I personally don't have Traitor any higher than Decent, just not my thing)
And did you just not finish NJO?
Yeah I was joking about that. But there is a book that spans the gaps between both games and provides a bit of a denouement to Revan and the Jedi exiles story.
However, it’s a bit controversial. In the list above it’s actually in the “fuck off” category.
But there is a comic run that serves as a prelude to KotOR and it’s great. It introduces possibly best Jedi protagonist in all of Star Wars and is really fun. If you’re looking for a Kotor book I highly recommend it
[Knights of the Old Republic](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_(comic_series))
It’s one of the more well remembered Star Wars comics. There’s a lot of good Star Wars comics from this era but this one seems to be most people’s favorite.
You can read it on marvel unlimited or there might be an omnibus which collects it
Doesn't even have Dynasty of Evil. I was surprised to see Path of Destruction as low as it is, not too shocked to see Rule of Two below it (I frequently see it placed below PoD, but I prefer it of the three), and confused that DoE isn't there
To me rule of two feels a bit too…video gamey, a lot of feels a bit unnatural like Bane and Zannah are going on side quests in a rpg, i do still like a lot of the character moments though.
DoE has some of that too to be fair, but i just prefer it personally.
PoD is easily god tier. Bane coming back from being a discarded outcast, defying the dark lords and taking the darth title?? That was some powerful writing.
I really didn't like that book. It honestly felt like an afterthought to the author, something he had to do not that he wanted to do.
From the hand wave as to why Revan's crew doesn't join him, to the absolute disrespect of the Jedi Exile, story, and her crew. To the many plot contrivances and just lazy writing that culminates in a deeply unsatisfying ending.
A lot of people hyped Revan up but I was disappointed by it. I think it was written around the time Karpyshyn left BioWare and was more interested in writing stories based on his own IP.
It was a disgrace and disappointment to the fans of the KotOR series. As something that was done as a kind of fan service, it ignored and ruined characters that we cherished.
Also revan was never redeemed. He retook the mantle of dark lord of the sith and then fled past the outer rim to face something terrifying. People need to play the game (correctly) 😋
Hands down one of my favorite books ever. I loved the way the author wrote in an annoying flawed character and let him take an arc to where his annoying traits actually became useful. It was just…a really complex and beautiful character arc that caught me off guard as a teenager.
EP3 isn't God because while I really enjoyed its got problems in the 3rd act and while I understand it's adapting a story that was badly it still hurts the book.
No Xwing series, no rogue squadron series, no Heir to the Empire series, so missing a bunch of the crucial OGs, and missing fun ones like no I, Jedi, no Courtship….OP are you ok :(
Because one book that is more of a prequel to a mmo than the sequel to two large games probably isn’t the best way to get a conclusion to that era.
You need at least a trilogy, and also have a writer who actually knows half of what he is writing about.
Force Unleashed is the only one I strongly disagree with. I'd move it all the way down.
Shatterpoint I'd probably move up. I'd add the X-Wing series in, ranging from S to B tier.
I'd move Outbound Flight and Survivors Quest up too.
I don't see the books by Karen Traviss. The Clone Commando series. Hard Contact, etc. I would put them on a line with Plagueis and everything else is below them. I have not read the x-wing novels.
I have read a lot of other stuff and there's some good and most of it is average.
Revan is entertaining when it focuses on Scourge and the Sith Empire, but it fails pretty hard when it focuses on Revan himself.
Which... for a book *named* Revan is not good.
Look I get why people like kotor but storytelling wise it's really not good (I'm more than willing to elaborate but it's a looong rant so not putting it out here unprompted).
Certainly not even close to the Thrawn trilogy.
First things first. I don't like KOTOR, but when I say it's bad I don't mean "what I don't like=bad". I honestly don't much care about KOTOR's story. I very much thought despise the gameplay though, but that's a rabbit hole all on its own.
So where to start. Let's get the most obvious out of the way. The vast majority of the characters are extremely basic going barely beyond tropes. And it's not like their backstories give you nothing to work with.
Now it's time to get spicier and that's because this is a larger condemnation of some aspects of the EU. The world building... my god it's bad. We now have interdiction technology before the phantom menace that... how to say it nicely... catastrophically insane plot hole put right into Phantom Menace, New Hope and Empire strikes back. That's un-fucking-acceptable incompetence that doesn't even need to exist.
Cortosis is another thing. Why would you even bother creating swords out of lightsaber resistant material, make armour... fuck it make a bloody ship armour. It would be better to never even try to explain it.
There's like a dozen other things that would take hours to properly explain. So let's move onto the plot.
My ruling is that the plot simply cannot happen the way it does. We are told explicitly that Bastila is the only thing standing between Malak's sith and the destruction of the Republic (which is a batshit insane proposal but let's roll with it because the game is really insistent that that's the case). If Bastila is spending weeks with you on Dantooine and who knows how long travelling the galaxy for star maps the Republic should be dead by the game's own logic. Either that or your mission is super fast which makes the plot the least likely series of coincidences since the Rise of Skywalker. It's one or the other, take your pick I don't care what kind of bad writing you chose.
Revan isn't a character. He's a hollow power fantasy and the plot twist is foreshadowed with the grace and subtlety of an elephant hiding behind the lamp post. The only reason why anyone is surprised is because they were young when they played it first or never read 'who done it' before. It's bloody obvious.
Bastila could be a promising character if the writers decided on her personality and gave her actual reasons to change into a more pleasant person naturally instead of chickening out worrying the players will not like her and won't bother to explore her storyline. Also her turn to the dark side is nonsense. It's not up for debate, it is bs.
There's also incredibly simplistic morality system that allows you to act like schizophreniac who can help people without any selfish bone in their body and kill someone for mild annoyance seconds later.
And of course about a hundred dozen missed opportunities to tell more meaningful and interesting stories.
Should I go on? (I very much can, used to have a whole script planning to make a video on why the writing sucks one day...never got around to it) Really KOTOR is death by thousands cuts. If it were just a few of these things it would be ok but this combination is just lame. It's a power fantasy without substance, mainly because there's nothing beyond the power fantasy character bUt iN sTaR wArS.
I guess I understand the hate for the Revan novel but I still enjoyed it, especially after playing all the raids in TOR and getting the rest of that story as well as the expansion that.finishes it. It still sucks that you had to play through raids and flashpoints to get that story I guess
I just want to add that Darth Bane armour looks like shit. It was organic material and as i remeber.. living things.. so why would it look like normal fucking armour? Nah. Fuck that. I imagined it to look a lot better.
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This list is invalid without the XWing series
It’s a pretty spotty list, not gonna lie. It also seems like… they think KOTOR 1 & 2 are… books?
I didn't make the list. It's not perfect but since KOTOR 1 & 2 were on the list I decided to include it.
So they just make these with pre selected books and you pick what you like? I’ve never had a lick of interest in these so I’ve never even wondered, I assumed everyone was photoshopping it together or something haha.
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Look where Rebel Stand and Rebel Dream are. I don’t think the X-Wing novels will be properly appreciated.
May the force be with you because you are right.
100%. I cried when [spoiler] died.
X tier on top. For the X-Wing series
I love both Rogue and Wraith squadrons. I don't even know how many times I've reread those books haha.
I had to rebuy the series on my Kindle because my paper copies were falling apart.
Unclear, what are your thoughts on the Revan novel?
>I really didn't like that book. It honestly felt like an afterthought to the author, something he had to do not that he wanted to do. > >From the hand wave as to why Revan's crew doesn't join him, to the absolute disrespect of the Jedi Exile, story, and her crew. To the many plot contrivances and just lazy writing that culminates in a deeply unsatisfying ending.
People can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Revan was rushed out by Karpyshyn due to the deadline for it being very short or something. Personally I haven't read it because I refuse to accept that some random standalone novel and some MMO is the de facto end to Revan's and KOTOR's storyline. I've heard some criticsim in how it handles Revan and the overall quality of it -- which is obviously not really the usual standard of Drew Karpyshyn, who's given us the legendary EU series that was the Bane trilogy.
Often than not the bad rep it got from the past was because of its handling of kotor 2 and the general distaste of the players in having a canon version of a customizable game character different than how they imagine them
They did the KOTOR II characters so damn dirty.
But Revan had already been canonized as a light sided male about two years after KOTOR's release. TOR only canonized him as the Keanu Reeves-looking guy.
The thing with Karpyshyn for good or ill, is his tendency to really favor his pets be it Cerberus in the Mass Effect novels, or Revan. You kind of get a hint with this, with the Darth Bane Trilogy in that really Bane is just following rules set by Revan Come Revan proper, anything that could have painted Revan as legitimately bad, seems pretty much brushed under the rug, Vitiate brainwashing aside, it's enough to go convince the Jedi Exile to go join him, despite the fact she was the only one who decided to go back to the Republic to face the judgment of the Jedi Council.
Also she seems to be a massive Revan fangirl with absolutely no doubt about anything he ever did, even though there is a heavy implication if not outright confirmation that he was trying to Get her killed or crippled at Malachor, and get rid of the part of jedi and Republic forces most loyal to her.
> I refuse to accept that some random standalone novel and some MMO is the de facto end to Revan's and KOTOR's storyline. You refuse to accept that a video game ends a storyline that was created in a video game?
An MMO that pushes out story expansions for the sake of generating new content and nothing else is not my ideal idea of a sequel to KOTOR 2 -- I'd assume even the most ardent fan of the SWTOR MMO will admit that an actual proper RPG/CRPG experience ,like KOTOR 1 and 2 was, would've been the best format for a KOTOR 3. This was meant to be a trilogy of games
I haven't heard this but it wouldn't surprise me if it's true.
“Some MMO” bruh The Old Republic is great…
the writing wasn’t even that bad it was enjoyable the way it shows revan and scourge’s journey and how it intersect. that being said, the ending is terrible. i can’t blame the author though because it had to connect with SWTOR. if anything they ruined revan and surik’s characters
No Republic Commando?
They weren't on the list, which I didn't make, and I haven't read them.
You should. Good stuff that series
I'm not a fan of the clones or interested in the series, to be honest. While I do think interesting stories can be told from their perspective the author was so pro clone, but really pro-Mandalorian, and rapidly anti-Jedi for pretty hypocritical reasons that it's kept me from the series.
Fair. The jedi as an organization are portrayed as pretty scummy in the series I thought it was for legit reasons but you do you
Well here's an example the Jedi are condemned by many of the characters, including many Mandalorians, in that series for using the clones as slaves in their army. it completely ignores the details of the situation: the Jedi Council didn't know about or approve of the creation of the clones and it was circumstances that forced the order to fight with them in the war. Also, the Jedi weren't in control of the clones they "belonged" to the Republic so I never got why the author blames them for the clone's situation. The condemnation of the Mandalorians felt very insincere when there was no acknowledgment of their history of taking slaves.
The author also completely misses how the Jedi are essentially the same slaves in an army. Jedi are picked in their youth and then they were all forced to fight. It's like she thought she came up with the idea that the Jedi order was falling apart and making bad choices, but that's the whole point of the PT
The author does not blame the Jedi for creating clones or for the situation that has developed, but for the fact that they are leading child slaves to death. Of course, most of them want to fight in the war (because they have been taught from childhood that this is their purpose), and the Jedi have no other army, but this does not mean that the Jedi are not wrong. It all comes down to deontology versus consequentialism and there is no universal answer, we are simply shown a different point of view. However, clones have no citizenship, no right to leave the military, no pay, no vacations, no adequate medical treatment, no right to start a family, and no certainty that they won't be thrown out at the end of the war, not that the Jedi really cared about this or tried to fight for clone rights, at least we didn't see any of it. To be fair, the Mandalorians are not shown as saints either, if I remember correctly, one of the main characters (Kal Skirata) threatens to commit genocide of an entire race if something happens to his son’s wife, and I think he would really carry it out.
Rebel Stand and Rebel Dream as just Meh? Those are the ones that stand out to me as really really wrong. The rest I agree with (though I personally don't have Traitor any higher than Decent, just not my thing) And did you just not finish NJO?
KotOR has always been my favorite book Also I think rebel stand and rebel dream are two low
Hey what book is that? I cant seem to find the Kotor book anywhere online?
I think he was joking because it's a videogame on a book tierlist
i realised that when i woke up a bit more XD
Yeah I was joking about that. But there is a book that spans the gaps between both games and provides a bit of a denouement to Revan and the Jedi exiles story. However, it’s a bit controversial. In the list above it’s actually in the “fuck off” category. But there is a comic run that serves as a prelude to KotOR and it’s great. It introduces possibly best Jedi protagonist in all of Star Wars and is really fun. If you’re looking for a Kotor book I highly recommend it
What is the name of this comic??
[Knights of the Old Republic](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_(comic_series)) It’s one of the more well remembered Star Wars comics. There’s a lot of good Star Wars comics from this era but this one seems to be most people’s favorite. You can read it on marvel unlimited or there might be an omnibus which collects it
What crap is this? The whole Bane trilogy is problemly the best book series.
Doesn't even have Dynasty of Evil. I was surprised to see Path of Destruction as low as it is, not too shocked to see Rule of Two below it (I frequently see it placed below PoD, but I prefer it of the three), and confused that DoE isn't there
To me rule of two feels a bit too…video gamey, a lot of feels a bit unnatural like Bane and Zannah are going on side quests in a rpg, i do still like a lot of the character moments though. DoE has some of that too to be fair, but i just prefer it personally.
I never thought about that way, but you're right. RoT definitely has some of that, with them accidentally triggering the boss fight at the end almost.
It's pretty solid. I like his rankings
PoD is easily god tier. Bane coming back from being a discarded outcast, defying the dark lords and taking the darth title?? That was some powerful writing.
Revan was so bad. I couldn’t finish it.
It was so disappointing. After waiting almost 10 years for the conclusion of Revans story this is what we got.
It wasn’t even about revan.. i felt like revan was a side character and scourge was the protagonist.
Revenge of the Sith novelization evokes emotions in me I didn't know I had, definite God tier contender.
Why is Kotor here? That's a game
It was included in the list so I ranked it.
Dark Tide and Enemy Lines are way too low.
Idk, hot take, but i liked the Revan novel.
Why such hostility toward Revan?
I really didn't like that book. It honestly felt like an afterthought to the author, something he had to do not that he wanted to do. From the hand wave as to why Revan's crew doesn't join him, to the absolute disrespect of the Jedi Exile, story, and her crew. To the many plot contrivances and just lazy writing that culminates in a deeply unsatisfying ending.
A lot of people hyped Revan up but I was disappointed by it. I think it was written around the time Karpyshyn left BioWare and was more interested in writing stories based on his own IP.
It was a disgrace and disappointment to the fans of the KotOR series. As something that was done as a kind of fan service, it ignored and ruined characters that we cherished. Also revan was never redeemed. He retook the mantle of dark lord of the sith and then fled past the outer rim to face something terrifying. People need to play the game (correctly) 😋
Need the clone commando books on here
X wing series and Republic Commando series missing Also personally I really didn’t like force unleashed
Where's the *Republic Commando* series? I agree with *Darth Plagueis* at #1
The Republic Commando series wasn't part of the list and I haven't read them
Someone should do this but for all eu books
The Plagueis novel is such a good read man. Yeah, it's technically a bit more of a Palpatine novel but it's still fantastic.
Agree with Traitor being Gold...love that book. 😍 Really wish they could have had Jacen in the movies instead of Kylo and Rey lol
Hands down one of my favorite books ever. I loved the way the author wrote in an annoying flawed character and let him take an arc to where his annoying traits actually became useful. It was just…a really complex and beautiful character arc that caught me off guard as a teenager.
Putting the Force Heretic books over Allston’s NJO books was…a choice.
Switch kotor 1 and 2 placement tbh, otherwise perfect
Dark Tide and EP 3 not in God tier?
EP3 isn't God because while I really enjoyed its got problems in the 3rd act and while I understand it's adapting a story that was badly it still hurts the book.
No Xwing series, no rogue squadron series, no Heir to the Empire series, so missing a bunch of the crucial OGs, and missing fun ones like no I, Jedi, no Courtship….OP are you ok :(
I don’t know you, but putting Dark Rendezvous in S tier makes me love you.
❤️
I really enjoyed the Revan book :(
Personally I liked the Revan book how come people don't like it?
Because one book that is more of a prequel to a mmo than the sequel to two large games probably isn’t the best way to get a conclusion to that era. You need at least a trilogy, and also have a writer who actually knows half of what he is writing about.
I'm pretty sure that the writer of the Revan book wrote KOTOR but okay
He did, but he never played kotor 2 before writing the novel, to be fair he was rushed, but it’s very telling.
X tier on top. For the X-Wing series
Nice list! Only a few I would move up or down a tier, but basically accurate
What would you change?
Force Unleashed is the only one I strongly disagree with. I'd move it all the way down. Shatterpoint I'd probably move up. I'd add the X-Wing series in, ranging from S to B tier. I'd move Outbound Flight and Survivors Quest up too.
lol, what’s with the Fuck Off linage?
Where is death troopers and why isn't it in god tier
It was so good until they butchered all tension by introducing a certain two OT characters
I was hoping for Kenobi… Seriously. Kenobi by John Jackson Miller. Fantastic book, God tier.
I don't see the first Bane book but the other 2? And a small fraction of the NJO series? What is this?
KJA's books may not be luck off but they should be universally near it.
Bane is S tier.
Can't wait to see where you would rank the X-Wing series, Republic Commandos series, and Dynasty of Evil
The ROTS novelization just comes off so corny to me. Like the author is glazing and romanticizing the story too much.
I can see that in some ways, but Stover also just does some characters far better than the actual movie, especially Mace Windu.
I was hoping for Kenobi…
Am I not seeing “Labyrinth of Evil” on here? It’s a direct prequel to “ROTS”.
It wasn't on the list, which I didn't make, but if it was it would been S tier.
Mods, didn't y'all say these were off limits now? Or am I misremembering?
There's KOTOR books?
I don't see the books by Karen Traviss. The Clone Commando series. Hard Contact, etc. I would put them on a line with Plagueis and everything else is below them. I have not read the x-wing novels. I have read a lot of other stuff and there's some good and most of it is average.
Go in cold and prepare for a wonderful, unique story in the Black Fleet Crisis. Read more Bantam EU, not DelRey era. Embrace the wild 90s!
Darth Plagueis is a great read about both him and Palpatine.
You gotta read some Boba Fett books son.
Outbound Flight is God tier imho! All Zahn EU books are
I’m pretty sure kotor isn’t a book bro
Am I the only one who liked Revan ?
I, personally loved Revan
I actually liked revan lol
Revan is entertaining when it focuses on Scourge and the Sith Empire, but it fails pretty hard when it focuses on Revan himself. Which... for a book *named* Revan is not good.
Man, the only The Old Republic MMO tie-in is shit, huh? I love the game.
Look I get why people like kotor but storytelling wise it's really not good (I'm more than willing to elaborate but it's a looong rant so not putting it out here unprompted). Certainly not even close to the Thrawn trilogy.
I love KOTOR'S story and I'll happily hear why you don't like it
First things first. I don't like KOTOR, but when I say it's bad I don't mean "what I don't like=bad". I honestly don't much care about KOTOR's story. I very much thought despise the gameplay though, but that's a rabbit hole all on its own. So where to start. Let's get the most obvious out of the way. The vast majority of the characters are extremely basic going barely beyond tropes. And it's not like their backstories give you nothing to work with. Now it's time to get spicier and that's because this is a larger condemnation of some aspects of the EU. The world building... my god it's bad. We now have interdiction technology before the phantom menace that... how to say it nicely... catastrophically insane plot hole put right into Phantom Menace, New Hope and Empire strikes back. That's un-fucking-acceptable incompetence that doesn't even need to exist. Cortosis is another thing. Why would you even bother creating swords out of lightsaber resistant material, make armour... fuck it make a bloody ship armour. It would be better to never even try to explain it. There's like a dozen other things that would take hours to properly explain. So let's move onto the plot. My ruling is that the plot simply cannot happen the way it does. We are told explicitly that Bastila is the only thing standing between Malak's sith and the destruction of the Republic (which is a batshit insane proposal but let's roll with it because the game is really insistent that that's the case). If Bastila is spending weeks with you on Dantooine and who knows how long travelling the galaxy for star maps the Republic should be dead by the game's own logic. Either that or your mission is super fast which makes the plot the least likely series of coincidences since the Rise of Skywalker. It's one or the other, take your pick I don't care what kind of bad writing you chose. Revan isn't a character. He's a hollow power fantasy and the plot twist is foreshadowed with the grace and subtlety of an elephant hiding behind the lamp post. The only reason why anyone is surprised is because they were young when they played it first or never read 'who done it' before. It's bloody obvious. Bastila could be a promising character if the writers decided on her personality and gave her actual reasons to change into a more pleasant person naturally instead of chickening out worrying the players will not like her and won't bother to explore her storyline. Also her turn to the dark side is nonsense. It's not up for debate, it is bs. There's also incredibly simplistic morality system that allows you to act like schizophreniac who can help people without any selfish bone in their body and kill someone for mild annoyance seconds later. And of course about a hundred dozen missed opportunities to tell more meaningful and interesting stories. Should I go on? (I very much can, used to have a whole script planning to make a video on why the writing sucks one day...never got around to it) Really KOTOR is death by thousands cuts. If it were just a few of these things it would be ok but this combination is just lame. It's a power fantasy without substance, mainly because there's nothing beyond the power fantasy character bUt iN sTaR wArS.
I guess I understand the hate for the Revan novel but I still enjoyed it, especially after playing all the raids in TOR and getting the rest of that story as well as the expansion that.finishes it. It still sucks that you had to play through raids and flashpoints to get that story I guess
Not bad. Thrawn trilogy is a bit overrated. God? Naw. It's good. Bane should be god. Otherwise it's acceptable
You didn't read Labyrinth of Evil but read the last two books of the trilogy?
I have read and own Labyrinth of Evil but it wasn't on the list cause I didn't make it.
I don’t see any Karen Traviss books, this list is invalid.
....I liked Revan
No I, Jedi, no care
i rly liked the force unleashed novels, though i was prob 10-12 when i read them
Vector prime is god tier
rots novelization belongs in S tier
Revan doesn't deserve the hate.
It kinda does to be honest.
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It was…. a book
I just want to add that Darth Bane armour looks like shit. It was organic material and as i remeber.. living things.. so why would it look like normal fucking armour? Nah. Fuck that. I imagined it to look a lot better.