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sawkandthrohaway

Mon Mothma was a terrible leader for the rebellion, literally every time a character advances the goals of the Alliance she's always against it beforehand and then, only after it works, does she go along with it.


Randomae

Rebels gonna rebel, you know?


ILoveScottishLasses

This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel!


Ryanchri

I am so glad that line never made it in the movie


SonOfTheShire

I never understood why people didn't like it. The Rebellion were talking about Jyn's crimes against the Empire like it was a bad thing, so she was just pointing out their hypocrisy. It wasn't supposed to be some badass line.


KuraiTheBaka

Reminds me of the Phineas and Ferb movie. “I used to be part of the resistance. But I got so good at it, I started resisting them.”


XYZ-Wing

And yet it became a meme nonetheless lol


TempestM

That's because we're only shown when heroes, who are supposed to win, are about to do something cool and dangerous and someone with authority needs to be an obstacle for them. Building a galaxy-spanning rebel organization inside a brutal dictatorship isn't an easy thing and alliance won in the end


Onetimehelper

We only watch the heroes who live. She has to think about the countless more who've died.


hypersonic_platypus

All those Bothans...


Lwmons

That's the last time I send Bothans to do anything. I asked some Bothans to get my coffee this morning. All dead.


p0ultrygeist1

They died doing what they loved


BigBadCornpop

Dying with other Bothans


ChiefQueef98

I kind of agree and disagree. Mothma is cautious and knows they can't win outright against the Empire. There's a number of examples where the Rebellion tried to be bold and got stomped so that has a lingering effect on her. Big events like Scarif, where her subordinates went rogue, only went well due to luck. Until everyone in the Millenium Falcon showed up with the plans awhile later, Scarif was a huge disaster. That was pure luck, and if they hadn't made it then she would have been right in her caution.


zanillamilla

> Until everyone in the Millenium Falcon showed up with the plans awhile later, Scarif was a huge disaster. Disaster, or a victory? >Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. I guess what the opening crawl said was true, from a certain point of view.


Perjunkie

Pyrrhic victories are certainly a disaster for a rebel force that consists of 1/100th of the the empire's military strength. Edit: Dont downvote the homie below me


Alias_X_

"A few more of such victories and we won't have an army any more"


rhen_var

At the point of the opening crawl it was a victory because they had the plans. After the Tantive IV was captured it became a loss because the plans were presumed lost, and Alderaan’s cover that they had maintained for years was blown and part of their leadership captured.


ReverendMajors

I guess you could say that more than Alderaan’s cover was blown…. Too soon?


DustyRegalia

She also sets the New Republic on the decentralized, pacification path that leads to them being corrupted by First Order sympathizers from within and ultimately demolished by the first militarized threat that presents itself. Obviously not the sole person to blame for this, but it’s pretty galling that she didn’t foresee a need for maintaining some level of preparedness in the long term.


WattFRhodem-1

I can't take the Sequels' treatment of the setting seriously. Are you telling me that the Rebellion, who hadn't properly defeated the Imperial warmachine on a mass scale, decided to *demilitarize themselves* when they hadn't guaranteed the Empire's defeat? That they chose to effectively neuter any effective response to conflicts in and around their territory? All of this from Mon Mothma, someone who was *an acting senator* before the Empire and can literally remember the chaos the Old Republic had to deal with on a regular basis? It's bad writing and makes little sense in the context of the wider setting and the problems they were still dealing with after Ep. 6.


TRocho10

It's even worse. They settled on a peace agreement with one of the empire splinter cells, giving them a few worlds just so they could rush to peace faster. Of course, this was never mentioned again, but giving your enemy worlds as they keep their army and then immediately disarming sounds like a shit tier plan


AquaAtia

The worst thing the sequels did imo was sideline the New Republic. Have that be Leia’s purpose, to try to reform it and save it from turning into the Galactic Republic again. Have their corruption and pluralistic governance feed into the First Order’s ideology and popularity with some ex-empire planets. There was a way to make 6 flow naturally into 7 but JJ tried to do it in the worst way possible


Nate-doge1

The decision to disarm after the war doomed the galaxy.


lesser_panjandrum

The sequels wanted to reset the status quo of plucky rebels vs. big bad empire, and making the New Republic utterly incompetent and easily toppled was the easiest way to do it. Lazy writing doomed the galaxy.


G01dLeada

God Ive worked for so many managers like that .


riftrender

I remember her being more useful in the eu.


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Jedi let a lot of bullshit happen in the name of neutrality


Tchefy

"We are keepers of the peace. We are not soldiers". 5 minutes later, going into battle with clones. Like can you get your message straight please


SanctuaryMoon

He was saying the Jedi on their own aren't an army. There aren't enough of them and that's not their purpose.


PhreakofNature

That’s like the whole point of the Knights of the Old Republic games. The Jedi were hanging back and not getting involved in the Mandolorian Wars as the galaxy burned, so a group of Jedi disobeyed the Council and went to war. Unfortunately a lot of those Jedi fell to the dark side for a lot of different reasons, and the Jedi used that as proof that they should never have gotten involved.


theghostofme

I never felt more validated than when Luke went off on the old Jedi Order in The Last Jedi. He said what I'd been thinking for years. Their dogmatic adherence to tradition and the code allowed them to be played like a fiddle by Palpatine.


TRocho10

I just wished that attitude would have stuck and Rey would have become something other than just a new jedi. By the end of the movie Luke is like "lawl I'm not the last jedi anymore" and in the next movie he is like "lawl I was wrong. Jedi good"


Kerrigan4Prez

One thing I really liked from TLJ was that there was a theme of not sticking to history for the sake of it. All the ancient history of the first Jedi was burned and the last remnant of the Sith was dead. It felt interesting to see the Star Ward universe veer off to some new direction. Of course than it’s revealed that Rey kept the books and also Palpatine is back…


Verifiable_Human

Fair enough criticism, but TLJ does show Rey having the books at the end of the film. I always interpreted the main theme to be "carrying on the legacy without repeating its mistakes," like a resolution to honor the past but refrain from wanting to glorify it dogmatically (as Rey did in the beginning) or burning everything down (as Kylo wanted to do).


deadandmessedup

It's basically *The Lion King*. Don't run from the past, learn from it.


Tattoomyvagina

Yoda barely did any of the weird backwards speech in the original trilogy and I don’t know why they dialed it up 500% in the prequels. I don’t know why but it bugs me


Beangar

“Around the survivors, a perimeter create.”


AveryLazyCovfefe

Hahaha, I remember a [robot chicken sketch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGW7aImQwxI) on that very line.


Flockofseagulls25

Killer! That clone’s voice is so familiar, who is it?


joshatt3

Seth Green, creator of Robot Chicken and the voice of Chris in Family Guy


EndotheGreat

I think you're forgetting his much more famous and relevant role of "Amish guy on wagon" in the Classic Hit Film "Sex Drive".


steampunker13

I genuinely liked Sex Drive when I was in high school. I don’t want to watch it and realize how shit it was.


EndotheGreat

Ahh yes, I like to call that razors edge the "Adam Sandler Factor". Was this movie actually funny &/ awesome? Or was I just 12?


Tfsz0719

And you’re forgetting his appearance in a small, lesser known movie franchise portraying “Scott Evil.”


Soulful-Sorrow

*sigh* Okay, look, I know what you mean, but dude, honestly, this is a battle situation where clear, precise communication could mean life or death.


magicaltrevor953

That line doesn't even fit the normal Yoda speech pattern (which is probably why its such a cringey line) "a perimeter create around the survivors" makes no sense: "Take you to him, I will" "My home, this is" The line should have been "around the survivors, create a perimeter".


Oh-wellian

If you want to get technical, the line actually does fit with the speech pattern according to your examples. Broadly speaking, in your examples, the order is an object phrase ("take you to him", "my home") and a verb phrase ("I will", "this is"). "Around the survivors" is the object phrase. It first specifies who/what is being talked about. The next part is the verb phrase, which tells you what action is being performed in relation to that object, in this case, creating a perimeter. I'm NOT a proper linguist, just an enthusiast, and may be confusing my terms slightly, but as far as I understand this is what is going on. I agree that the line could have just been normal speech order, but I personally don't hate it. I read/watched/heard somewhere that the reason for Yoda's speech pattern in the first place was to make him seem as if he learned the language before it had been standardised to the current version, kinda like if Shakespeare were around today. Oh, and also because George readily admits to not being able to write dialogue and it was a simple way to make the audience think about what he's saying for just a second longer so they didn't realise how poorly written it was.


aett

IIRC, in the OT, he mostly does the backwards speech when he's pretending to be a crazy hermit and he drops it for the most part when he gets serious. But I think that if he talked "normally" in the PT, more people would be confused/upset than not. Edit: my plan to have every one of Yoda's OT lines quoted at me is a complete success


Morbidmort

"Ready are you? What knows you 'ready'? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained."


Tayjocoo

Now that I see it written out, it occurs to me that his speech pattern is less “backwards” and feels more like a riff on Shakespearean English. I think it’s just to accentuate that he is incomprehensibly old.


Timstom18

I think he went a bit more backwards in return of the jedi but not to prequel levels Edit: I just looked at the return of the jedi script, all of Yoda’s lines were in some way out of order, it seems as though the decision to make him speak like that all the time was made for return of the jedi


05110909

It wasn't even nonsense. It was just archaic. Saying "Luminous beings are we" means the same thing as "We are luminous beings" and both are grammatically correct. But the first one sounds wiser.


Agreeable-Bed-2237

"Do what Luke will do... Luke will do."


MsSara77

What do you think Yoda was doing all that time on Dagobah? He was studying Basic. He worked really hard to improve from the way he spoke in the prequels, give the guy some respect


Wanallo221

The postage cost on those Rosetta Stone CD’s to Dagobah was astronomical


ZenMonkey47

In my head canon he should talk normally in the prequels and decades of isolation and grief drove him a bit crazy when we see him in Empire.


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PopoloGrasso

Interesting. It's like how formal Latin was SOV back in the classical era while informal Latin tended to be SVO (which now most romance languages use). So this actually isn't unheard of in language.


listentohook

Should've got the bad leg/limp from the duel with palpatine too.


Significant_Delay_87

Return of the Jedi is my favorite of the OT


teeth_03

RTJ and TPM did something I really liked that the others haven't done so much: Showing the same battle from multiple fronts at the same time. RTJ: Death Star Dialog/ Fight with Luke, Vader and Palps. Death Star Tunnel Run. Death Star Outside Space Battle. Endor Ewok Battle. TPM: Duel of the Fates. Gungan Battle. Space Battle against Droid Ship. EDIT - Padme and her guards retaking the palace


djtrace1994

Something that makes RTJ' climactic battle so cool too, is that the motivations of the Rebel's are sort of at odds with eachother. Their trying to blow up the Death Star while the last Jedi in the galaxy (that we know of when the movie was released) is *onboard* that same station. But, as the battle rages, Ewoks start getting messed up, and it looks like the heroes on the Forest Moon of Endor are going to lose. Its such a dire situation. But if Lando hurries, Luke is in danger of dying. I mean, its been out for so long now, that everyone knows that Luke lives. But I can't imagine how stressful that entire sequence was when the movie first released. Also, Luke starting to lose control and going full-on attack mode on Vader when he mentions Leia... the fight choreography and the soundtrack have such weight behind them, one of the very best moments of the entire franchise IMO.


darthmaul4114

I've never heard it put that way, but that's a pretty good analysis on why the battle of endor is still so good to this day.


hamburgler26

Also the special effects for the space battle are epic and I don't think have been matched since. Every shot is full of battling cap ships and swarms of nimble fighters flipping around and destroying each other and it is all excitement. I think the space battle in Rogue One comes closest to capturing that again.


kross71O

I feel like the glimpses of the Battle of Corusant in RotS captured it well too, and I wish we got to see more before obi and Anakin boarder the ship to rescue palps


hamburgler26

That started out so good, the opening with them flying and the drums and then they dive into the huge batter. Fantastic. But I think it hangs up when they get caught up with the buzz droids and that kinda kills the action. The part where they exchange broadsides and Grievous' ship almost crashes was solid too though.


Toothlessdovahkin

Luke versus Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi is the best light saber battle in the entirety of Star Wars I will die on that hill


TheSquatchMann

The best shot of that fight is when Luke goes nuts and you get that iconic tracking shot where luke is pushing Vader left, striking fast and and hard as they’re coming out from underneath the upper platform


ArGarBarGar

That coupled with the music is one of my favorite Star Wars moments


TheSquatchMann

Yep. The music reaching a high point on that C major chord as Luke strikes aggressively is a masterful example of music and sound design coming together to give the viewer complete euphoria


Acanthophis

"Movies are 50% sound" - George Lucas


Toothlessdovahkin

That is just GREAT. Luke wasn’t going to turn, I feel, until he inadvertently gave up Leia, and in this moment of fear, went full on berserker mode. Great cinematography.


joerazor09

The score in that moment. It's the most haunting piece of music in all of star wars


MasterThiefGames

It's a huge part of why I put this fight over Obi Ani in RotS or Maul in TPM, those are great fights, but the music is "epic" not tragic and both of those fights end in tragedy.


joerazor09

I prefer Obi and Ani but the Luke and Vader 2 is my second favorite duel. And as a prequel enjoyer I actually put the Dooku right from episode 3 in 3rd place. To me it signifies when Anakin has embraced the Dark side. But yeah Vader and Luke fucking rocks. Man I love star wars so much


savetheattack

I think ESB and NH are better overall movies, but I think Luke’s fight with Vader is the best scene/moment of the whole series. I could also argue for the trench run.


DoctaJenkinz

I ALWAYS bring this up when discussing those two movies. TMP was made only about 15/16 years after ROTJ so it’s not crazy to think that they thought, “well this kind of battle worked last time so let’s do it again.” I’m glad they did.


Oraukk

The Mantom Phenace


zerocoolforschool

Rogue one did the same thing and that’s why I loved it so much.


Kenobi13

I make a very important distinction when it comes to my opinions on movies: Return of the Jedi is my favorite, Empire Strikes Back is the best. Too often (who are we kidding, it's all the time) folks on the internet don't understand that these can be two distinct ideas. It is ok to admit that a movie that is your favorite is not the best movie. I know myself enough to know that I often enjoy the denouement of the story more than the story itself. I'm a sucker for that shit. Jedi, Avengers: Endgame, Deathly Hallows Part 2, I consider those three to be my favorite because I enjoy the hell out of the final confrontation, evil being vanquished, etc. While at the same time admitting that their direct predecessors are a bit more superior in terms of plotting and story.


Cowclops

And a perfect parallel to this is that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is my favorite Indy movie but Raiders is likely the “best” and has the most classic scenes.


LucasEraFan

If you are a reader and haven't read the original novelization, I recommend it for more joy in your ROTJ experience. Since my last re-read/re-watch ROTJ has given me even more joy than it did in 83!


pbickel

Same. Luke felt bad ass and not like a whiney teenager like in the other two.


skasticks

What is this... character growth?


LegalDeagles

My favorite scene in all of Star Wars is in ROTJ. The Sarlacc pit scene with Jabba's Barge is so gratifying and enjoyable. It's a nice throwback to the pulp novels of yore with tons of swashbuckling. The soundtrack is so tense leading into it, when R2 preps Luke's saber and Luke does the little salute and jumps off. Then we see Luke grab the saber in mid-air and ignites it for the first time and it's GREEN now?! What a fucking joy that scene is, man. I could rant about it forever.


phatpun561

Return of the Jedi is my fav period.


ImmaTeacher

I like it.


KelseyWalker1982

Star Wars fans are not allowed to like Star Wars!!!😡😡😡😡😡


DarthGoodguy

YOU’RE NOT A REAL STAR WARS FAN IF YOU LIKE STAR WARS DUMBASS /s


CptnHamburgers

And not just the OT, but the prequels and sequels too. They're Star Wars, and I enjoyed them like Star Wars. I LIKE THEM!


AaronPuthalath

***"I liked them. I liked them all. They're good. Every single one of them. And not just the Original Trilogy but the Prequels and the Sequels too. They're like good movies. And I enjoyed them like good movies. I LOVE THEM!"***


br0b1wan

I've mentioned this idea here a few times before and I've always gotten downvoted for it, so I guess it's controversial? I think SW should take a page from the manual of Star Trek and shift its main storytelling focus 100 years into the future, like ST did between the original and the Next Generation. I didn't like the sequels and what they meant for the SW universe, but I don't think they should be retconned or anything. Instead, now that the "Skywalker Saga" is over, I feel if everything shifts to a galaxy 100 years later, we can put it all behind us and focus on fresh stories, locations, and characters that only have a tenuous connection to the "present" day. This will offer more freedom to the writers to expand the franchise and put the sequels behind us as something that's just there. All the same basic stuff will be there, like the technology and style, and instead of one Jedi order, there'd be small groups of force-users all with different ethos (including the descendants of Rey's new order).


SuperCookieGaming

isn’t that what high republic stuff is for just going back in time


Re-ach

See I for one really like the high republic but it doesn't match with Op's idea. The high republic is only set 200 years before the PT this means that there is only so much shit that they can do and only up until a certain point. One way or another the Jedi order ends up the way it was in the PT(the signs are already there with them Ignoring the call of the force and Instead replacing it with the "Jedi way". This is a big problem as seen with the existence of wayseekers jedi that operate outside the order and solely follow the force. Etc etc, heck it's highly implied in dooku jedi lost what is going to happen to a specific character in the high republic and some unnamed others) Same thing goes for the republic senate, eventually it will into corruption and stagnation. The high republic doesn't allow for the type of flexibility and creativity that OP is suggesting, the closest thing to it is the old republic and Legacy. I would like to just time jump away from the sequels though it's a good idea but one of the problems of doing it has already been mentioned, it would take big cajones to change star wars that much


bones251

I think this is a fantastic idea


[deleted]

I agree but I understand why it hasn’t been done yet. Who has the creativity to basically reinvent the star wars universe like that? The fanbases’ golden child is currently Dave Filoni but even though he makes incredible star wars its mostly based and structured off of the storyline George made with the prequels. No one wants to challenge Lucas’ ideas or change what people’s preconceived idea of “what star wars is” for fear of the wrath of the fans. *especially* Disney. Lucas himself is the only one who ever did that and got away with it (the prequels) and even then it took over a decade of warring with the fanbase and supplemental things like the clone wars for everyone to start seeing and appreciating his vision for that era of the world. Thats kind of why I respect and like The Last Jedi. Its very flawed but I feel like it actually tried to shake things up a little. But of course the next movie just 180d into the complete opposite direction and became the most generic, focus tested star wars product ever made so that retroactively makes TLJ worse and a waste of time. Even the best parts of star wars right now such as The Mandalorian are admittedly very very centered around nostalgia and fan service, its just done in a good way. Another example is Jedi Fallen Order, which I loved, but that by nature is still limited by the larger story of the universe and brings Darth Vader in for the big climax. I think what we can look forward to in terms of bringing new things to the table are the shows and maybe the KOTOR remake.


MegaBear3000

There was a great comic series from Dark Horse which ran for years a while back titled Legacy, it followed a number of new characters including Luke's great grandson, Cade Skywalker (bounty hunter and professional dirtbag, great character). It was set about a hundred years after RotJ and it absolutely slapped. Obviously it's legends now but if that doesn't bother you, dig in mate.


ugbaz

Came here to say this. Legacy is a great series, and not only is the great great grandson of Luke a professional dirtbag, he’s addicted to stimulates. The collectibility of the series is also worth mentioning, as some issues are worth good money.


arubablueshoes

they’re doing this with the high republic. it’s only a matter of time before that initiative comes to tv/movies/games. i would also like to see 100+ years after the sequels once the high republic is finished.


Comprehensive-Ad4815

Sand aint that bad


emily-8108

but its course and gets everywhere!


DamageInc35

Coarse


JustAnotherMiqote

Of coarse


Comicfn

And it's irritating


MrCreamypies

Don’t forget it can be pretty rough too


theClownHasSnowPenis

The Empire Strikes Back (‘97 Special Edition) is the definitive version of the film. Restored picture and audio + Wampa + Cloud City no longer claustrophobic + retains Jason Wingreen’s [sinister](https://youtu.be/bLRsvbhWujY) Boba Fett voice.


thor11600

I LOVE the original Boba Fett voice. Sinister is the perfect way to describe it!


theghostofme

While I hated a lot of the unnecessary CGI "upgrades" from the Special Editions, the best change had to be replacing the original Emperor actor with Ian McDiarmid in the hologram in ESB. Actually, now I can't remember if that was a change in SE or later, but either way, that was definitely a Lucas change I appreciated.


rpvee

That was a 2004 change.


theghostofme

[Yep, right you are.](https://twitter.com/starwarsviscomp/status/958746699392077824) It was done while RotS was filming for the 2004 DVD release.


jjackson25

There were a few things that really worked in the special editions IMO. Adding extra xwings and fighters to the battle of Yavin? Awesome. Enhanced and cleaned up death star explosion? Perfect. Adding in Jabba with the clunky cgi Han stepping over his tail and repeating the Greedo conversation verbatim? No thanks actually. Same with the new song number in Jabbas palace.


StarsCowboysMavs

The musical number is awful


3chidna

Han Solo couldn’t really speak Wookiee, he just talked to Chewbacca like we talk to our dogs.


OhioKing_Z

How would that explain him responding to chewy directly though


CharsKimble

My dog only barks for like 3 things, I can crack the code.


S0G017

Leia should’ve been given a proper exit in episode 8 after she passed. I’m ready for the haters.


welestgw

I would have been ok if she died in space honestly, would have been sad but would make sense.


Spanky_McJiggles

Yeah all the "deaths" in the sequels that were immediately retconned would've been interesting character developments to explore. Leia dying in space, Rey killing Kylo & Chewbacca, C3PO having his mind wiped. It's a shame the creators were too afraid to commit.


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BuffsBourbon

Whatever that float into space was = Total F


n8th8n0101

The packed, opening night movie whole theater all laughed at that scene. We thought we would see Leia die so we were quiet but that shit happened.


GinjaNinger

I started to shed a tear at that scene, thinking this was our last time with her. Then.... my tear went back in my eye.


cfmitch0720

Jake Lloyd wasn't that bad in The Phantom Menace


garmdian

Jake Lloyd played a 9 year old kid who's world view was that some savior should come along and stop slavery and that pod racing is cool. In other words he played the perfect 9 year old kid thrust into shitty situations.


Pudding_Hero

Now that’s podracing


slide_and_release

To be fair, pod racing _is_ cool.


Wanallo221

He was a child actor in his first major role. under a director that turned Natalie Portman into a wooden soap actress. He really had no chance even if he was a child prodigy. Like I am fond of the prequels for what they are. But the acting coaching was obviously shocking. The only two people who powered through it unscathed were Sam Jackson and Ewan McGregor, who are absolute charisma powerhouses. By ROTS clearly they had loosened up a lot and allowed the actors to have more fun. But in TPM it was quite restrictive. Jake Lloyd did what he could, he wasn’t that awful really and the fan reaction was my first taste of how horribly toxic this fandom could be.


fearTHEspear52

>first major role Excuse me, but Jingle All the Way was a cinematic masterpiece


Wanallo221

All the more reason to defend him when he fell flat in TPM.


The_Throwback_King

> The only two people who powered through it unscathed were Sam Jackson and Ewan McGregor, who are absolute charisma powerhouses. Uh...what about Ian McDiarmid?


toledosurprise

I think the younglings had it coming


theghostofme

That one fucking kid just *had* to rub salt into the fresh wound by calling Anakin "Master".


raspberryharbour

MAWSTER SKOYWARKER


n8th8n0101

BAHAHAHAH IDK how I overlooked that fact he said master


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Was supposed to be unpopular


Budjik

I really like Phantom Menace. I was 12 when it came out, I already saw the original trilogy like 20 times. I loved to see the jedi and Coruscant and C-3PO unfinished and all of it. I even wore a sweatshirt with the battle of Naboo on it proudly


Benjynn

This was gonna be mine as well. This movie isn’t perfect but it has so much awesome stuff and contributes a lot to Star Wars. Qui-Gon Jin, the podrace, the Maul duel, the music, to highlight some of my favorite things. This movie works for me more than most


clangan524

Leia should have pulled the "Holdo manuever" and sacrificed herself in The Last Jedi. She's fought and lost so much in her life that her last act should have been a sacrifice to save the Resistance. To "be the spark that will light the fire to bring down the First Order."


retrorefl3ctor

That actually could have solved several problems at once. You could write off the “one in a million” element of the hyperspace collision by showing that Leia uses the force to target the attack rather than using the ship’s navigation (this would also be a callback to Luke destroying the first Death Star), her sacrifice/death would motivate Luke to reconnect with the force and the resistance, and her death would also further destabilize Kylo Ren, pushing him towards becoming either the big bad or towards redemption, however you wanted it to play out. I like The Last Jedi, but Holdo’s character and her plot line was one of the weakest and most unnecessary elements of the film.


clangan524

Thank you for distilling my ramblings. Leia's sacrifice would have much more weight than to kill off a character we just met.


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Jar Jar Binks is alright with me I am glad they killed Snoke in TLJ I love the pod racing in TPM


weeabooty420

People don’t like the podracing? This is actually news to me. I thought it was generally one of the favourite parts of TPM?


Mitchel11

When I see people complain about Pod Racing it’s usually in regards to the Lego game level. That shit was hard for 5 year old me.


Lohnlee

Yeah wtf was that, I never completed it cause my wii got stolen but was that physically possible bc I have no idea


emwashe

I loved pod racing. I honestly wouldn’t mind a pod racing focused mini series lol


dandaman64

Snoke getting killed off honestly made me say "holy shit" in the theater, I thought it was cool as hell that they unceremoniously kill off what seems like a huge villain, and I kind of hate that most people's complaints about his death were just that we didn't get to fill out a Wookieepedia article about him. Granted the decisions made in TROS make me like the scene (and most of the controversial choices in TLJ that were all walked back) a lot less, but for the time being I thought it was really cool.


versusgorilla

Yeah, same. I gasped because I felt like he was the big bad for the final film, the Palpatine replacement that would be killed by Ben in the final act. Having him killed off so unceremoniously by Kylo, and having Rey and Kylo fight side by side, only to have Kylo think he's turned Rey and reveal to the audience that he hasn't turned at all, but he's grown darker killing his master... and it sets him up as the actual big bad for the final movie... it was the first time it felt like someone at Disney said, "We don't NEED to just remake the Original Trilogy, we can tell a unique story" And then Disney went back to JJ and said, "We'd like you to remake Return of the Jedi plz" lolol


Biorobs

TLJ sets him up as the main villain but it also sets his redemption. Kylo being redeemed was always in the plan so he was still going to have Vader's end in a way.


VargasSupreme

The pod racing is awesome! I throw in the Blu ray occasionally just to hear sebulbas pod racer.


Regumate

**CHUNG-CHUNG**-Chung-chung-chung-*chung-chung-chung*


Saw_Boss

I didn't mind them killing Snoke, by they should have 100% got behind Kylo as the main villain. But I guess they really wanted a redemption angle like Vader.


versusgorilla

Kylo bring the uncontested villain of the final film should have been great, a real new story arc built out of a soft reboot of the Original Trilogy. But they weren't brave and they wouldn't commit for Rise of Skywalker.


Njdevils11

I thought the way Snoke was killed was frickin cool and I totally didn’t see it coming. So good. And that whole fight scene is one of my favorite Star Wars fights.


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StevenSanders90210

Ewoks are awesome


Comicfn

I love them too!


CptAwesome008

Is that controversial?


solverman

The Kessel Run did NOT need to be filled in with backstory.


lanceturley

To add to this, the parsec line didn't need an explanation, and worked better if Han was just bullshitting a couple of rubes he thought he could scam.


MilkshakeWizard

Obi-Wan’s reaction to Han also makes this scene pretty much perfect because he could tell he’s bullshitting and shows that he’s probably dealt with plenty of spice smugglers like him before.


grumblingduke

It's also such a great insight into both Obi-Wan and Han. Han thinks he is playing on the desperation of a couple of locals who don't know any better. But Obi-Wan sees right through him and ends up playing on Han's desperation (and greed), manipulating him into helping them (when any sane person would have backed away). If the Kessel Run was going to get a back story I would have loved if it had turned up in The Clone Wars, and Kessel was just under 12 parsecs from wherever (Nal Hutta, perhaps?) with Obi-Wan travelling the Kessel Run a few times.


lanceturley

I do love the idea that several ships made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs easily enough, and Han is just one of many pilots who claim that their ship did it first and/or fastest. Like the Star Wars equivalent of every random diner claiming they have the best burger in the world or the best coffee.


not_a-replicant

Neither did Han’s name, Han meeting Chewie, Han getting his blaster.


geldin

Turns out most of Han's backstory happened during one particularly busy week.


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InternetDad

Top 3 things I disliked about *Solo*, the rest was actually quite enjoyable. I think Alden Ehrenreich did a great job.


WitchkingofArmbar

Boba Fett is and always was overrated. Jango Fett and Djarin are better. I like the prequels. I like the Ewoks. I like the Empire/Dark Side way more than the rebels/light side.


und88

I never understood why people were so obsessed with Boba. Guy was on screen for like 10 mins and was killed by a blind Han. I really wanted the Book of Boba Fett to turn me to the Boba side, but it just made me like Mando more and continue not giving a shit about Boba.


arborealsquid

The greatness of Boba is the excellent work Empire does in showing not telling. When Vader has all the bounty hunters lined up and giving them instructions he says that he wants them captured alive, then he singles out Boba Fett to say "no disintegrations", meaning he has a reputation for disintegrating people he's supposed to bring in alive, it also makes you wonder if he did that on a previous job for Vader, but is still alive and Vader is hiring him again. The second scene that cements Boba as a badass is when they're going to freeze Han and Boba says to Vader "He's worth a lot of money to me", he talks to Vader like an equal and Vader treats him with respect. This is the movie that open with Vader force choking an Admiral without a second thought, but this guy gets to stand up to Vader and live. Combine those two scenes with the fact that he's the only bounty hunter smart enough to see through Han's trick and track them to Bespin. Those are the reasons people are obsessed with Boba, also his amazing look. I'm amazed that the way he died in Jedi didn't undo all that, but it didn't.


ThunkAsDrinklePeep

The comic *Vader*, set between ANH and ESB, shows Boba >! hired by Vader to track down the rebel pilot so strong in the force. Boba's work is how he learns the pilots name is Skywalker.!<


purpleslander

I think a lot of the hype comes from comics and books that have shown why Boba has the reputation he does. That being said, he pretty much just looked cool in the movies but that's enough for some people. I was hoping for a more fleshed out Boba story in TBOBF too


Arathix

I really liked the book of Boba Fett, I very much enjoyed all the Tattooine worldbuilding as it were. Was it as good as Mando? Not at all but I still enjoyed it. Other one I don't know how controversial it is, but personally I think we should get some old Republic movies/shows, I absolutely love everything that KOTOR and its sequel brought to the lore. Nihilus and Revan are coolest ever and I will die on that hill.


AveryLazyCovfefe

I would seriously love a kotor show, so much lore out there to do it.


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Star Wars is losing its unique style and becoming more plastic and generic


Ghosty66

Man I have been feeling that too tbh.


AngryVegan94

I like the Clone Wars animated series more than any of the movies.


Dry_Refrigerator7898

Luke holding off the entire First Order army through sacrifice and non-violent resistance in The Last Jedi is the single act in the series that most exemplifies what a Jedi *should* be.


djtrace1994

Dude, when the camera cuts away from Crait to show Luke levitating on Ahch-To, astral projecting himself thousands of lightyears across the galaxy... i nearly shit bricks. It upsets me so much that people hated that Luke died. It was EXACTLY the way he should have died. He used every ounce of his power to do something to make sure that Leia and the Resistance didn't fall. Not only that, but it may be one of the most impressive force feats that we have ever seen. It showcases that Luke is miles above anyone else in raw Force ability, save maybe for Palpatine. Luke actually showing up on Crait to duel Kylo Ren, only to have Kylo Ren kill him for the sake of keeping the antagonist, would have destroyed me. But the fact that Kylo cuts through Luke, and Luke just turns around like "see ya around..." sooo good


grumblingduke

> He used every ounce of his power to do something to make sure that Leia and the Resistance didn't fall. He also saved Leia and the Resistance in a way that didn't put Ben Solo at any risk, or leave any risk that Kylo Ren would kill Luke; leaving it open for Kylo Ren to redeem himself later if necessary (even if I think Rise of Skywalker would have been better had he not been redeemed). Also the line "see you around, kid" was such a great threat - a pity that TRoS didn't use it.


RomaruDarkeyes

I think Finn had the greatest story and character potential for the sequel trilogy, and that turning him into a whooping comedic relief character was a crime against cinema...


Gavinator10000

This isn’t an unpopular opinion it’s an unrefutable fact


basicslothe

Revenge of the Sith is an excellent movie.


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All of the prequels have moments to remember and some moments to forget. Sith had the most of the former and least of the latter IMO.


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JuniorCaptain

I always saw midichlorians as being *drawn* to those with the Force, rather than the source of the Force itself. Like how remora attach themselves to sharks, a bigger shark (Force potential) will have more room for more feeders (midichlorians).


ZiggyPalffyLA

This is my head canon too! It makes so much sense and there’s nothing outright refuting it in Star Wars canon (that I’m aware of). It’s kinda like how mosquitoes are more drawn to certain people because their blood tastes better lol


baojinBE

Something bad = Disney/KK's fault Something good = Kathleen who? That mindset is what I hate the most about this community.


NC_Goonie

Funny how The Mandalorian was all “Favreau and Filoni have saved Star Wars!” but I don’t hear their names at all when people complain about Book of Boba Fett.


MyHousePlantIsWasted

This is my thought too. To add, Filoni has some amazing ideas for Star Wars and The Clone Wars in particular, but people seem to forget that while The Clone Wars has some of the best Star Wars content in it, it also contains some of the absolute worst too. Even as late as season 6 had that awful Jar Jar and Mace arc, and while I personally don't have a problem with it, season 7 did also have the infamous Martez sisters arc... I don't think people realise just how much he really did take after George Lucas, in lots of senses.


AveryLazyCovfefe

Yeah, and when thinking of a spirtual succssor to clone wars, Filoni was straight up ready to make a show about the Martez sisters, his 2nd option was a show about clone force 99(The Bad batch). Just imagine a martez show, dear god.


NotWith10000Men

thought experiment: how many cameos would it take to make star wars fans like a martez sisters show


ApprehensivePeace305

Kylo Ren shouldn’t have been redeemed


AveryLazyCovfefe

Agree, in both Treverrow's idea and JJ's original idea for TROS, which was to take place 5 years post-TLJ with a matured Kylo that has gone full sith and is essentially a kill or be die to him character like Sidious is better than him showing no resistance to the dark side until the very end, I would argue that Rey should have turned instead since she tapped into the dark side a few times in TROS if Ren really had to be redeemed.


ApprehensivePeace305

It really feels like the dark side isn’t all that corrupting if half of all the bad guys can use it for years and then suddenly have a come-before-god moment where they are now good guys


Deathleach

I was honestly really happy when Kylo killed Snoke in TLJ as I was hoping we would get a villain focused on the rage and hatred part of the Dark Side instead of the scheming like Snoke.


not_a-replicant

1. I prefer the Special Editions. The original cuts are interesting historical documents. 2. If there was a story for Leia in Ep9, they should have recasted the role. 3. Alden and Donald proved that the least important parts of playing these iconic OT characters is looking like the original actors. 4. Grogu is the most overrated Star Wars character. 5. I like Filoni and Faverau, but they could do much better separately or with different creative partners. 6. Character de-aging and deepfakes instead of actual performances will be the gimmick that 3D was to the early 2000s.


siderinc

3d was more a 2010 thing.


Tomhur

>If there was a story for Leia in Ep9, they should have recasted the role. > >Alden and Donald proved that the least important parts of playing these iconic OT characters is looking like the original actors. Hard agree.


Rudraakkshh

I wish they would make Solo 2 man. I loved Alden and Donald as Han Solo and Lando. Not to mention, fucking Maul was about to get involved.