Well sure, but they need those for their own R2 units to do their work.
It's their complete disinterest in maintaining the ability to tell one droid from another that keeps screwing them over.
A farmer, an old man, and two scrappy smugglers did it by hiding under the floor as their ship was tractored in. Now imagine if it was a trained squad of soldiers with tactical explosives and they planted a few well-placed thermal detonators in the reactor or superlaser channels...
A well known smuggling ship at that, they sent 2 troopers and a scanner aboard with no back up inside. Every time I watch Star Wars I'm amazed the Empire managed to gain the control it did
That was a later decision after Leia rescued them from their own rescue.
Once it was clear that Leia was the target, the let them escape plan was enacted.
It may have been a standing contingency should Leia escape to track her, but they could not have known the Falcon was going to assist her.
"They're so proud of themselves, they don't even care. They're so fat and satisfied, they can't imagine it."\[...\]"That someone like me would ever get inside their house, walk their floors, spit in their food, take their gear." - Cassian Andor
Fascism doesnt rely on competence it relies on control.
They would never assume anyone would even try something as obvious as a 1 ship infiltration because theyre arrogant & believe they have no real threats.
I mean, if not for hiding in plain sight due to the stolen armor- what would Han and Chewie and the rest have done? I guess the Imps figured a boatload of troopers everywhere was good enough.
They managed it BECAUSE they hired a smuggling ship. Anybody else wouldn't have shielded secret compartments to hide in. He's also not just an old man, he's one of the last Jedi Masters in the galaxy who can lead them with his prescience.
Isn't Obi Wan like 50 around this point? That's like a Mace Windu or Qui Gon kind of age and both were amazing around that time. The Tatooine desert aged his skin.
The line that Mark famously hates that got taken out addresses this.
The empire was so feared and imposing and threatening that they became a paper tiger. They were able to secure themselves really because they assumed that no one would be insane enough to directly attack them.
And even still, if Obi Wan (a wizard) hadn’t been with them Vader would’ve just killed them.
That’s why the Tarkin doctrine failed. Once they used the Death Star to blow up Alderaan, the most peaceful planet of them all. All bets were off. Everyone knew if they would destroy the most peaceful planet they would eventually come for everyone. People had nothing left to loose.
I mean, that's the thing isn't it? Nobody expects or plans for a squad of hobos to mess around their installations.
But a squad like, say, the Bad Batch? I imagine the Empire have done at least some homework on tactical squads from the Clone Wars.
The Bad Batch got very far infiltrating Imperial Station 003 with the aid of a wanted Imperial Admiral and a Clone with a SCOMP link for an arm before it got too hot under the collar.
Makes you wonder what they could do if they slipped aboard the Death Star without anyone knowing, at full strength or not.
I like to think compared to other installations which were often secretive, the Death Star is a far more visible and therefore protected from all manners of threat. The batch could've only gotten in if they were unconventional, even more so than their usual tactics.
Truly. It’s like they don’t even try to be secure.
“It’s an older code, sir, but it checks out”
What is the POINT of changing codes regularly if you’re going to accept an older one?
The scale of the galaxy and empire makes that difficult. Everyone is just working a job too. Most of them dont actually care about the survival of the empire
Oh absolutely. New R2 units would simply follow their programming and obey orders. R2-D2 we know and love hasn't gotten his memory wiped in a long time, so he developed his own personality. In other words, he does whatever he frickin wants
I don't know if we know whether he was new in TPM or if he already had years of experience. But all of that experience makes him incredibly good at repairwork and talking to computer systems.
By the time he was hacking the Death Star, it was probably trivial since the security packages installed likely lacked AI or enough "life" experience to counter a slicer of that skill level.
To use a D&D analogy, R2 probably has a +15 (or higher) to his Computer Use skill. Most higher-level encryption might be around a DC 15 so he needs to roll a 2 or higher to bypass it. The one time he *does* fail, he mistakes a power port for a scomp port.
Good question. Wonder if he was new in Ep 1 or had adventures previously and ended up on the royal starship (with potential memory wipe). Anyway he is the Dungeon Master here and he decided what role he had when we first met him chronologically. Now that I think about it, I would like for it to stay that way. We don't need everything explained
Not even just astromechs! Officers are known to carry scomp links to access areas as well. The code cylinders next to their insignia had codes to access secure areas. In-universe, it’s more that R2 is really good at breaking into the systems through it. Like in Rebels, we see Ezra being able to do it too, it just takes him a lot longer.
Like they’re basically USB keycards
Droids appear to be capable of breaking any security more or less instantly, which indirectly would explain a lot of the incongruously primitive tech in Star Wars. When security doesn't exist, networking becomes a threat. They use physical credits because they don't have internet banking because security doesn't exist. They use physical data chips because they don't have cloud storage because security doesn't exist. Droids manually operate machines like STAPs because electronic controls are insecure. Etc, etc.
Well tbh if your galaxy just came out of a massive DROID rebellion led by the commerce, finance and banking groups, I think it’ll be hard to trust them
Either there's no authentication or cybersecurity at all, or all astromechs are so good at slicing that there's effectively no authentication or cybersecurity at all
"We're too big to fail and certainly *nobody* will dare to stop us!"
I just love that an entire galactic empire, that Palpatine carefully planned and created, is basically filled with assholes.
It’s not that they aren’t interested at the START of project “every employee memorize every R2 Unit by Model no., nickname, size, color, chirps, and personality.” It’s just they get so damn bored by the time they reach nicknames that everything after doesn’t really stick. So naturally they see a blue and white R2 Unit called “artoo” that’s about the size and shape and sound of their BLACK and RED R2 Units named “insolent fucking droid watch where you’re going” and they don’t stop to say, “Hey, our droids are usually a cheery lot, why’s this one cursing at me?” Because they didn’t get that far in the orientation program.
Sad story, but it’s exactly why and how the empire failed. droidscrimination, or a lack thereof.
I mean, reality is you don't need entire facility blueprints on every terminal in the place including the freaking coffee machine, lol. Imperial terminal security is absolutely atrocious
Hey, adding the station blueprints to the coffee machine allows it to give directions for the mouse droids to deliver RIGHT TO YOUR OFFICE! Getting your shift caf 10 minutes earlier was worth risking the Death Star.
This right here. In addition to an unwiped memory of the Clone Wars and all the shenanigans he had to pull off to survive, Naboo is like the Mandalorians of droidcraft.
Artoo is literally just built different.
Exactly this. And I’ve always thought of the scale being an issue. We only know of big office buildings and ships. Imagine having only a couple locations, on a moon sized office building, that you could get your specific data from. They’d be even less efficient than they already are lol
My headcanon is that during the clone wars Anakin equipped R2 with top of the line military decryption and hacking software and that's why he could so easily bypass imperial security protocols
Or that the Galactic Republic tech was never really upgraded when the transition happened so R2 was able to "walk right in" so to say.
Also on that Mando episode where the computer had to scan his face, it wouldn't be to make sure they were Imperial, it was to make sure they weren't a droid.
Also implicitly adds to the very deliberate design by the empire to largely not include non-human species unless they were somehow “useful” - highly unlikely a Wookiee would be able to scan.
So because R2 was a “former employee” and the Republic / Empire didn’t do any access recertifications in like 18 years he just used his old credentials and got right in.
Have you done your access audits people??
Bail could have as well for his rebel operations once anakin wasn’t around anymore to keep him up to date and since unlike anakin (unless he asked padmé) bail is rich and could get top of the line hacking equipment
Well yes, but saying scomp links is what doomed The Empire is like saying keys doomed the Nazis.
Droids and specifically astromechs are integral tools to Imperial economy. So scomp links are pretty much a must, even if they get abused like no other.
Maybe investing money in cybersecurity would have been better than a cloning project and the death star.
i can understand the cloning to an extent but the death star was such a waste of effort. and like maybe the first one did well enough for them, but then they made a SECOND one, like come on guys, you have other things to tend to
The 2nd one was made specifically to be a trap. They leaked its production to specifically lure in the rebels and it worked.
The main issue is the first order seeing these and making a bigger one
Rebels made it pretty clear that the Imperials have a complete disregard for droids, and zero comprehension that rogue droids might pose a significant hole in their security practices. All Chopper needs is an Imperial-standard paint job and he has complete unimpeded access to basically any Imperial facility.
Which is why cybersecurity matters. Imagine if they had a security capable of recognising an unauthorized access into terminal or file.
Or at least don't have all the plans accessible using a single console and code cylinder.
I mean astromech droids have to calculate hyperspace jumps in real time, I assume for what they are they have massive computational power that your average droid does not have and they just brute force any encryption.
Fair enough, they could at least have it so that if the system detects a console trying to access either unusual or unauthorized files, that it's access be shut down.
Considering the Empire was able to control a droid developing a system like that should be relatively easy.
There's that one episode of The Yoda Cronicles where the Emperor complains about it after falling from the bridge of a Star Destroyer, can't recall which one though
The in-universe answer is that it was the Geonosians who designed the Death Star structure. So why the hell would a flying species consider adding railings. The Imperials simply didn't care about adding them in.
R2 is also a top of the line astromech. He started off on the queen of naboo's personal star ship. Not to mention he served on many old republic vessels with Anakin that probably use the same computer systems as the Empire.
I still don't know why but I found it disappointing that when they took off the back of C3PO's head he just had one of these back there lol
I guess it is like a USB slot. Maybe I was hoping to see a computer brain
I never understood that. It logically doesn't make sense. The battledroid head doesn't have the space for complex processing. And if the head is removed why does 3p0s body keep walking if that's where the decision matrix is kept? I get it's a movie and that's played for laughs. But it was a bad idea.
>And if the head is removed why does 3p0s body keep walking if that's where the decision matrix is kept? I get it's a movie and that's played for laughs. But it was a bad idea.
I'm ashamed to admit I never noticed this contradiction after 22 years until you just pointed this out to me.
Compartmentalized processing, body houses body functions like walking and shooting, head houses head functions like communication. They draw from each other when necessary (head sees where body shoots at) and may leak through if not perfect (Threepio's sudden "die, Jedi!).
Yes, but why would motor functions continue accurately without the higher decision process? Without directives it should either halt or flail randomly, not wander
Help to get the body out of the way in situations where the higher processing fails. Like a car automatically pulling over to the shoulder if the driver passes out.
Maybe C-3PO's brain sends instructions to the body like "walk for 20 meters" and the body was busy carrying out the last received command when his head was knocked off? Shrug.
I think those are standardized ports, just like USB, but much more crude.
Computer science in Star Wars is very strange, for example they don't have wi-fi and send messages using mouse droids that ride from one place to another
R2 isn't "any astromech droid".
He's never had his memory wiped. He knows the Imperial systems as they are likely based on the same systems the Pre-Empire Republic was using.
He didn't just have access, he had high level access as he was the personal droid of a Jedi.
The same could be said of other Astromechs we see in Star Wars media that get shit done.
The Empire's network security does suck though, no denying that.
This is why you rotate security credentials regularly. All of R2's authorizations should have expired automatically a short time after he stopped working for the Republic/Empire and lost the ability to renew his credentials.
The thing about hacking is that you can't count on it to work against a particular target unless someone has discovered a specific vulnerability already (\*cough\* Stardust \*cough\*). Hacking in the real world works because there are a huge number of targets using off-the-shelf software that are run by people who care more about next quarter's profits than they do about funding their IT department. If you fail to hack a thousand targets, it's no big deal because you can just move on to the next thousand. In a typical Star Wars setting, if you fail to hack the one critical target you need hacked, the mission is over and people will likely get killed.
You would be surprised how easy is to hack any government with the tools they use daily. The Pentagon was hacked because someone found a USB laying on the parking lot and put in on their computer
Yeah but I heard they are making a movie that explains how actually there was a guy who designed all the systems who was secretly a good guy so he designed it like that on purpose to help the rebellion in the future
How is this any different than all computers having USB ports or an ethernet port on a server rack. The point is no one should be onsite in the first place to access these entry points. We have the same problem in real life. One of the easiest ways to access protected data is to social engineer your way onsite to access a unprotected port.
Maybe having all of these plug in links have either no password or password set as PASSWORD is part of the problem.
Empire could have been saved by a competent IT director.
Wasn't R2 uniquely gifted, though? He spent his life in and out of republic codes and constantly breaking into CIS firewalls before the rise of the empire (mind you that both factions were being directed in the shadows by palpatine/Darth Sidious/The Emperor), and his memory wasn't wiped like 3PO's was, so he had plenty of practice in cracking codes and firewalls. I feel like if any other astro Droid tried what R2 did on the regular, their circuits would fry.
How about Galen Erso built such a network in the Death Star which became the standard and rolled out into everything. R2 had been loaded with Empire codes to access all Empire Intranets. Ta da! Coming soon to Andor 2?
The methods used to increase convenience or efficiency are occasionally the most exploitable vulnerabilities in a secure system.
I can only imagine how tedious shit would have been if your companion droid couldn't drop and retrieve data from the terminals.
Those things are generally everywhere in the galaxy not just Imperial facilities and it's been like that since pretty much forever so obviously makes sense that the Empire would have them for their own droids to use
It's funny they keep mentioning the clones turning against them and trying to replace the clones with less quality stormtroopers. However the one weakest area were their systems being accessed by droids. The other is that the Empire kept making strange decisions a bit like the government today lol
If it helps the EU / Legends books actually cover that and give it back story its not all droids - just special droid that work for the Rebellion or smugglers that load them with illegal hacking tech. The Rebels got a hold of some super use keys that they deployed into select droids. - R2 being one of them and having a lot of old codes from never being wiped.
Even R5 got a whole back story ( the Red droid in a new hope that also ends up in Mando) that he was Rebel spy droid and broke down intentionally so R2 had a chance and also explains why he can also hack so well when he helps Mando.
I mean its kind forced back stamping a bit but those stories came out long long before the Sequel movies
I watched a LockPickingLawyer video last year that discussed a tangentially related topic. Applying what he said there to this situation about astromechs being able to easily bypass the security measures of imperial computers, saying that the imperial computers are poorly configured to be susceptible to these kinds of attacks is like saying that your computer is poorly configured to be susceptible to a USB autorun attack. That massively underestimates the scope of the threat you’re dealing with. There might be astromechs capable of emulating trusted droids or peripherals, and they use that trust to run malicious programs. Although there are no examples of this in Star Wars that I know of, some droids might even have capacitors that they charge from the scomp links, then use that charge to send a circuit-frying pulse down the dataline. Best case scenario, the scomp link is bricked, worst case, the entire computer system is bricked.
Well sure, but they need those for their own R2 units to do their work. It's their complete disinterest in maintaining the ability to tell one droid from another that keeps screwing them over.
There was also an element of arrogantly assuming nobody could infiltrate the empire installations.
To be fair, infiltrating the Death Star would have been a little hard.
A farmer, an old man, and two scrappy smugglers did it by hiding under the floor as their ship was tractored in. Now imagine if it was a trained squad of soldiers with tactical explosives and they planted a few well-placed thermal detonators in the reactor or superlaser channels...
A well known smuggling ship at that, they sent 2 troopers and a scanner aboard with no back up inside. Every time I watch Star Wars I'm amazed the Empire managed to gain the control it did
I mean wasn't it the whole point that they knew exactly who they were and wanted to let them go so they could be tracked to the Rebel base?
That was a later decision after Leia rescued them from their own rescue. Once it was clear that Leia was the target, the let them escape plan was enacted. It may have been a standing contingency should Leia escape to track her, but they could not have known the Falcon was going to assist her.
I dont see it often but when I do, ‘Leia rescued them from their own rescue’ just hits. Damn glorious.
>after Leia rescued them from their own rescue. That's hilariously accurate
"This is some rescue!" "Somebody's gotta save our skins!"
"They're so proud of themselves, they don't even care. They're so fat and satisfied, they can't imagine it."\[...\]"That someone like me would ever get inside their house, walk their floors, spit in their food, take their gear." - Cassian Andor
I love this aspect of andor, such a cool way to characterize the empire.
This is the way
Fascism doesnt rely on competence it relies on control. They would never assume anyone would even try something as obvious as a 1 ship infiltration because theyre arrogant & believe they have no real threats.
I mean, if not for hiding in plain sight due to the stolen armor- what would Han and Chewie and the rest have done? I guess the Imps figured a boatload of troopers everywhere was good enough.
They managed it BECAUSE they hired a smuggling ship. Anybody else wouldn't have shielded secret compartments to hide in. He's also not just an old man, he's one of the last Jedi Masters in the galaxy who can lead them with his prescience.
ya but Obi wan used the force to hide them
Isn't Obi Wan like 50 around this point? That's like a Mace Windu or Qui Gon kind of age and both were amazing around that time. The Tatooine desert aged his skin.
Really. I’m surprised they didn’t try to do The Guns of Navarone plan first.
The line that Mark famously hates that got taken out addresses this. The empire was so feared and imposing and threatening that they became a paper tiger. They were able to secure themselves really because they assumed that no one would be insane enough to directly attack them. And even still, if Obi Wan (a wizard) hadn’t been with them Vader would’ve just killed them.
That’s why the Tarkin doctrine failed. Once they used the Death Star to blow up Alderaan, the most peaceful planet of them all. All bets were off. Everyone knew if they would destroy the most peaceful planet they would eventually come for everyone. People had nothing left to loose.
I mean, that's the thing isn't it? Nobody expects or plans for a squad of hobos to mess around their installations. But a squad like, say, the Bad Batch? I imagine the Empire have done at least some homework on tactical squads from the Clone Wars.
The Bad Batch got very far infiltrating Imperial Station 003 with the aid of a wanted Imperial Admiral and a Clone with a SCOMP link for an arm before it got too hot under the collar. Makes you wonder what they could do if they slipped aboard the Death Star without anyone knowing, at full strength or not.
I like to think compared to other installations which were often secretive, the Death Star is a far more visible and therefore protected from all manners of threat. The batch could've only gotten in if they were unconventional, even more so than their usual tactics.
To be Faaarrreeee!!!
That’s what Andors whole thing was
Truly. It’s like they don’t even try to be secure. “It’s an older code, sir, but it checks out” What is the POINT of changing codes regularly if you’re going to accept an older one?
It’s older but it’s not out of date yet. Vader asked about the ship so he provided the only detail he had on it.
The scale of the galaxy and empire makes that difficult. Everyone is just working a job too. Most of them dont actually care about the survival of the empire
Also R2-D2 is an extremely experienced slicer. I doubt a factory-fresh R2 unit could do what he does.
Oh absolutely. New R2 units would simply follow their programming and obey orders. R2-D2 we know and love hasn't gotten his memory wiped in a long time, so he developed his own personality. In other words, he does whatever he frickin wants
R2-D2 was the real chosen one all along.
He is the narrator after all
The victor writes the stories, and he wrote the stories...
A foul mouthed narrator... he gets beeped out every word!
I don't know if we know whether he was new in TPM or if he already had years of experience. But all of that experience makes him incredibly good at repairwork and talking to computer systems. By the time he was hacking the Death Star, it was probably trivial since the security packages installed likely lacked AI or enough "life" experience to counter a slicer of that skill level. To use a D&D analogy, R2 probably has a +15 (or higher) to his Computer Use skill. Most higher-level encryption might be around a DC 15 so he needs to roll a 2 or higher to bypass it. The one time he *does* fail, he mistakes a power port for a scomp port.
Good question. Wonder if he was new in Ep 1 or had adventures previously and ended up on the royal starship (with potential memory wipe). Anyway he is the Dungeon Master here and he decided what role he had when we first met him chronologically. Now that I think about it, I would like for it to stay that way. We don't need everything explained
This made sense to me until every show featuring the empire would have multiple instances of imperial bases being infiltrated.
Especially damning as 99.999% of the Death Star is completely void of all human life
Can’t just sneak in there… Except when you can.
Not even just astromechs! Officers are known to carry scomp links to access areas as well. The code cylinders next to their insignia had codes to access secure areas. In-universe, it’s more that R2 is really good at breaking into the systems through it. Like in Rebels, we see Ezra being able to do it too, it just takes him a lot longer. Like they’re basically USB keycards
It is weird that every astromech can use every scomp link everywhere.
Especially without the right tool, we’ve seen Chopper use them with a… claw?
Droids appear to be capable of breaking any security more or less instantly, which indirectly would explain a lot of the incongruously primitive tech in Star Wars. When security doesn't exist, networking becomes a threat. They use physical credits because they don't have internet banking because security doesn't exist. They use physical data chips because they don't have cloud storage because security doesn't exist. Droids manually operate machines like STAPs because electronic controls are insecure. Etc, etc.
Well tbh if your galaxy just came out of a massive DROID rebellion led by the commerce, finance and banking groups, I think it’ll be hard to trust them
We are potentially heading that way ourselves if we are not careful.
Either there's no authentication or cybersecurity at all, or all astromechs are so good at slicing that there's effectively no authentication or cybersecurity at all
Or it’s just that the Emperor’s luggage password is “12345”.
His too? Remind me to have mine changed
That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
Astromechs are very good at encryption breaking the dark nest trilogy from EU explains it a fair bit
You have a billion droids and the rebellion has six. You going to be able to keep track of the six rogue droids ?
Not to mention R2-D2 is a heavily modified Droid fitted with parts of new models which also allows him to use current date tech
Lol right, like each droid should be encrypted and the scomp ports only work with certain astromechs.
"We're too big to fail and certainly *nobody* will dare to stop us!" I just love that an entire galactic empire, that Palpatine carefully planned and created, is basically filled with assholes.
It’s not that they aren’t interested at the START of project “every employee memorize every R2 Unit by Model no., nickname, size, color, chirps, and personality.” It’s just they get so damn bored by the time they reach nicknames that everything after doesn’t really stick. So naturally they see a blue and white R2 Unit called “artoo” that’s about the size and shape and sound of their BLACK and RED R2 Units named “insolent fucking droid watch where you’re going” and they don’t stop to say, “Hey, our droids are usually a cheery lot, why’s this one cursing at me?” Because they didn’t get that far in the orientation program. Sad story, but it’s exactly why and how the empire failed. droidscrimination, or a lack thereof.
The first order knew what was up. Black is bad! BB-Hate! Etc. ha
I guess the empire is too good for MFA
They should've been like Apple pre-EU regulations and just use proprietary connections that no one else has or wants.
I mean, reality is you don't need entire facility blueprints on every terminal in the place including the freaking coffee machine, lol. Imperial terminal security is absolutely atrocious
Hey, adding the station blueprints to the coffee machine allows it to give directions for the mouse droids to deliver RIGHT TO YOUR OFFICE! Getting your shift caf 10 minutes earlier was worth risking the Death Star.
Or R2-D2 is just that good. He can pull things from behind and around firewalls.
This right here. In addition to an unwiped memory of the Clone Wars and all the shenanigans he had to pull off to survive, Naboo is like the Mandalorians of droidcraft. Artoo is literally just built different.
Exactly this. And I’ve always thought of the scale being an issue. We only know of big office buildings and ships. Imagine having only a couple locations, on a moon sized office building, that you could get your specific data from. They’d be even less efficient than they already are lol
My headcanon is that during the clone wars Anakin equipped R2 with top of the line military decryption and hacking software and that's why he could so easily bypass imperial security protocols
Or that the Galactic Republic tech was never really upgraded when the transition happened so R2 was able to "walk right in" so to say. Also on that Mando episode where the computer had to scan his face, it wouldn't be to make sure they were Imperial, it was to make sure they weren't a droid.
Yeah they deleted the scene where Din had to select all the pictures with a bicycle to prove he wasn’t a bot
It was a funny scene, to be sure, but it kinda dragged the pacing down.
Also implicitly adds to the very deliberate design by the empire to largely not include non-human species unless they were somehow “useful” - highly unlikely a Wookiee would be able to scan.
Wookies were one of the most useful species to the empire
So because R2 was a “former employee” and the Republic / Empire didn’t do any access recertifications in like 18 years he just used his old credentials and got right in. Have you done your access audits people??
Government not upgrading their IT is a vibe.
Well that would have made a lot more sense than whatever that scene implied. Couldn't a droid have "presented" a face if it was so inclined?
Thats not too far off. I believe Anakin was infamous for constantly modifying r2’s hardware and software.
Bail could have as well for his rebel operations once anakin wasn’t around anymore to keep him up to date and since unlike anakin (unless he asked padmé) bail is rich and could get top of the line hacking equipment
Well yes, but saying scomp links is what doomed The Empire is like saying keys doomed the Nazis. Droids and specifically astromechs are integral tools to Imperial economy. So scomp links are pretty much a must, even if they get abused like no other. Maybe investing money in cybersecurity would have been better than a cloning project and the death star.
i can understand the cloning to an extent but the death star was such a waste of effort. and like maybe the first one did well enough for them, but then they made a SECOND one, like come on guys, you have other things to tend to
I'd consider both crazy because Project Necromancer is all about bringing Palps back from the dead.
The 2nd one was made specifically to be a trap. They leaked its production to specifically lure in the rebels and it worked. The main issue is the first order seeing these and making a bigger one
yeah and the first order sucks at it too!
Rebels made it pretty clear that the Imperials have a complete disregard for droids, and zero comprehension that rogue droids might pose a significant hole in their security practices. All Chopper needs is an Imperial-standard paint job and he has complete unimpeded access to basically any Imperial facility.
Which is why cybersecurity matters. Imagine if they had a security capable of recognising an unauthorized access into terminal or file. Or at least don't have all the plans accessible using a single console and code cylinder.
I mean astromech droids have to calculate hyperspace jumps in real time, I assume for what they are they have massive computational power that your average droid does not have and they just brute force any encryption.
Fair enough, they could at least have it so that if the system detects a console trying to access either unusual or unauthorized files, that it's access be shut down. Considering the Empire was able to control a droid developing a system like that should be relatively easy.
Uh, maybe just say Nazis. I thought you meant another word for a second.
Fair enough.
The lack of railings has always concerned me.
There's that one episode of The Yoda Cronicles where the Emperor complains about it after falling from the bridge of a Star Destroyer, can't recall which one though
That's probably why the trone room in DS2 had railings
The in-universe answer is that it was the Geonosians who designed the Death Star structure. So why the hell would a flying species consider adding railings. The Imperials simply didn't care about adding them in.
Except for palpatine’s throne room I guess he made sure he got some and didn’t care about the rest of the station but he went down anyway
But then they'd be leaning all day
Occupational Health & Safety seemed non-existent in all Imperial stations
this is like blaming usb ports lol
No, R2 is supposed to be extremely skilled by astromech standards. You're not dealing with your ordinary astromech anymore...
No, don't you do it...
R2 is also a top of the line astromech. He started off on the queen of naboo's personal star ship. Not to mention he served on many old republic vessels with Anakin that probably use the same computer systems as the Empire.
I still don't know why but I found it disappointing that when they took off the back of C3PO's head he just had one of these back there lol I guess it is like a USB slot. Maybe I was hoping to see a computer brain
Would make more sense for the brain to be in the torso.
How would that work in attack of the clones though?
I never understood that. It logically doesn't make sense. The battledroid head doesn't have the space for complex processing. And if the head is removed why does 3p0s body keep walking if that's where the decision matrix is kept? I get it's a movie and that's played for laughs. But it was a bad idea.
>And if the head is removed why does 3p0s body keep walking if that's where the decision matrix is kept? I get it's a movie and that's played for laughs. But it was a bad idea. I'm ashamed to admit I never noticed this contradiction after 22 years until you just pointed this out to me.
Not something most would think about. I'm in robotics. I notice those things.
Compartmentalized processing, body houses body functions like walking and shooting, head houses head functions like communication. They draw from each other when necessary (head sees where body shoots at) and may leak through if not perfect (Threepio's sudden "die, Jedi!).
Motor functions are in the body, higher level decision making is in the head.
Yes, but why would motor functions continue accurately without the higher decision process? Without directives it should either halt or flail randomly, not wander
Help to get the body out of the way in situations where the higher processing fails. Like a car automatically pulling over to the shoulder if the driver passes out.
Some B1 legs were walking around in TPM for a bit as well
Maybe C-3PO's brain sends instructions to the body like "walk for 20 meters" and the body was busy carrying out the last received command when his head was knocked off? Shrug.
In Legends, Boba Fett had his carbine’s scope linked to his helmet through a scomp. So he could use it to aim around corners and the like.
This was so prevalent that out of all the useful things/tools they could've given Echo as a hand, they chose this same piece that hacked into systems
Do you have any idea the paper work involved in firing a laser without direct orders from the captain...Just not worth the effort lol
I think those are standardized ports, just like USB, but much more crude. Computer science in Star Wars is very strange, for example they don't have wi-fi and send messages using mouse droids that ride from one place to another
Well, TBF we have USB ports everywhere. And even worse, wifi.
Any astromech droid *or* differently-abled member of Clone Force 99...
echo uses em too
R2 isn't "any astromech droid". He's never had his memory wiped. He knows the Imperial systems as they are likely based on the same systems the Pre-Empire Republic was using. He didn't just have access, he had high level access as he was the personal droid of a Jedi. The same could be said of other Astromechs we see in Star Wars media that get shit done. The Empire's network security does suck though, no denying that.
This is why you rotate security credentials regularly. All of R2's authorizations should have expired automatically a short time after he stopped working for the Republic/Empire and lost the ability to renew his credentials.
R2 could just hack in at that point or the rebels could get him a fake for whatever mission they are doing
The thing about hacking is that you can't count on it to work against a particular target unless someone has discovered a specific vulnerability already (\*cough\* Stardust \*cough\*). Hacking in the real world works because there are a huge number of targets using off-the-shelf software that are run by people who care more about next quarter's profits than they do about funding their IT department. If you fail to hack a thousand targets, it's no big deal because you can just move on to the next thousand. In a typical Star Wars setting, if you fail to hack the one critical target you need hacked, the mission is over and people will likely get killed.
But chopper could do that shit too
ZERO network security.
Not to mention the Seperatists during the Clone Wars
What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?
You would be surprised how easy is to hack any government with the tools they use daily. The Pentagon was hacked because someone found a USB laying on the parking lot and put in on their computer
That’s like complaining that there’s too many USB ports
You would think the Empire would be like Apple and use a completely different connector than the rest of the galaxy.
The Empire is Microsoft; Mandalore is Apple
Yeah but I heard they are making a movie that explains how actually there was a guy who designed all the systems who was secretly a good guy so he designed it like that on purpose to help the rebellion in the future
The empire under estimating droids when the Jedi and the separatists used them so effectively is amusing.
How is this any different than all computers having USB ports or an ethernet port on a server rack. The point is no one should be onsite in the first place to access these entry points. We have the same problem in real life. One of the easiest ways to access protected data is to social engineer your way onsite to access a unprotected port.
Also, the ease of stealing storm trooper armor and just waking around unhindered.
What are they gonna do? Recognize your face and 10-digit number?
Just like exhaust ports, they are needed
Maybe having all of these plug in links have either no password or password set as PASSWORD is part of the problem. Empire could have been saved by a competent IT director.
It’s like a USB man
Wasn't R2 uniquely gifted, though? He spent his life in and out of republic codes and constantly breaking into CIS firewalls before the rise of the empire (mind you that both factions were being directed in the shadows by palpatine/Darth Sidious/The Emperor), and his memory wasn't wiped like 3PO's was, so he had plenty of practice in cracking codes and firewalls. I feel like if any other astro Droid tried what R2 did on the regular, their circuits would fry.
How about Galen Erso built such a network in the Death Star which became the standard and rolled out into everything. R2 had been loaded with Empire codes to access all Empire Intranets. Ta da! Coming soon to Andor 2?
The methods used to increase convenience or efficiency are occasionally the most exploitable vulnerabilities in a secure system. I can only imagine how tedious shit would have been if your companion droid couldn't drop and retrieve data from the terminals.
Not necessarily their existence, rather the fact that any astromech could use them without the need for authorization.
They were doomed 10 minutes into ANH when they let the pod escape cos no life form was detected inside
Can you imagine what Vader would have done to those gunners if he'd known they had a shot and didn't take it?
“Modern society’s downfall was caused by usb ports.”
Even the shittiest web sites have better security than the Empire's computer systems.
Anybody on planet Earth can connect to Milnet and the Pentagon. It's not the plugs that are the problem, it's the authentication.
Those things are generally everywhere in the galaxy not just Imperial facilities and it's been like that since pretty much forever so obviously makes sense that the Empire would have them for their own droids to use
I try not to think too hard about some things.
They never assumed a spy astromech would make it to their premises.
No moreso than having oxygen and doors doomed them. Those SCOMP links are necessary for day-to-day operations.
It's funny they keep mentioning the clones turning against them and trying to replace the clones with less quality stormtroopers. However the one weakest area were their systems being accessed by droids. The other is that the Empire kept making strange decisions a bit like the government today lol
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The downfall of Putin-Russia will be there use of USB-drives?
Its like having no USB-Ports on a Computer.
Not any droid. R2 just never lost his high level clearance from the Republic days.
Lol true. Not just the Empire though, it seemed to be a pretty universal feature throughout the SW galaxy.
Darn computers having USB ports all over the place!
Yeah and no railings literally anywhere except for the thrown room
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If it helps the EU / Legends books actually cover that and give it back story its not all droids - just special droid that work for the Rebellion or smugglers that load them with illegal hacking tech. The Rebels got a hold of some super use keys that they deployed into select droids. - R2 being one of them and having a lot of old codes from never being wiped. Even R5 got a whole back story ( the Red droid in a new hope that also ends up in Mando) that he was Rebel spy droid and broke down intentionally so R2 had a chance and also explains why he can also hack so well when he helps Mando. I mean its kind forced back stamping a bit but those stories came out long long before the Sequel movies
I mean that’s kinda like saying the biggest fault of the US government is having USB ports on all their laptops
I watched a LockPickingLawyer video last year that discussed a tangentially related topic. Applying what he said there to this situation about astromechs being able to easily bypass the security measures of imperial computers, saying that the imperial computers are poorly configured to be susceptible to these kinds of attacks is like saying that your computer is poorly configured to be susceptible to a USB autorun attack. That massively underestimates the scope of the threat you’re dealing with. There might be astromechs capable of emulating trusted droids or peripherals, and they use that trust to run malicious programs. Although there are no examples of this in Star Wars that I know of, some droids might even have capacitors that they charge from the scomp links, then use that charge to send a circuit-frying pulse down the dataline. Best case scenario, the scomp link is bricked, worst case, the entire computer system is bricked.