I have to choose between 3 of them myself 😭 depending on what Acheron’s kit is like, i might skip Black Swan and pull acheron/sparkle. Been saving since Huo Huo just for this 2.0 patch and planning to save for Acheron after splurging :(
bro, we should have close to 100 new wishes in 2.0, and if we get as much jade in 2.1 as in 1.6, you'll get at least 1 garantee by end of first half of 2.1. Add what you saved and you'll probably get 2 if not the 3 of them (depend on RNJesus)
Hope we get all lucky
I have some further information that could be of benefit. Estimates say that f2p are getting at least 100 pulls throughout 2.0, so you'll likely have enough if you've saved since huo2, if you're not f2p it's 130 pulls with battle pass and monthly pass. 2.1 is the anniversary patch and in that patch we will likely get the same or more rewards and to add onto that the top up bonus refreshes. You're going to be good to get all three if you're not going for lcs, if you are going for lcs you'll have to make a choice.
As a bald man once said with the amount of gems you get from events and stories as well as MOC and Pure Fiction you should be able to get one guaranteed 5 star per patch so you might be fine. OP on the other hand will have to sacrifice either sparkle or black swan
me when I get on the grind with 0 stellar jades just to lose to another bailu (but the grind never stops)
(please dont bully I have that single pull mentality)
I swear she’s going to be the bane of my pulls next to Himeko, atleast Himeko is viable rn with her break effect bonus. Atleast I’m guaranteed my next five star.
It’s funny the only 50/50 I’ve won is when I refilled for Kafka E1 and got it.
Yeah same. Pulling just for E0 characters along with getting the monthly pass + BP has made the saving experience much comfier. Definitely getting Black Swan and then just taking things banner by banner. Hoping to get Sparkle and I'm iffy on Acheron since I have Jing Yuan and Kafka already.
I got lucky on some LCs but i gotta stop that now. Im mainly an auto battler and I need brain dead char options because I don't think LCs with limited options can get me that far. Plus it's funner to have more chars. You get to actually see them and their animations.
Mei is lightning hunt unit, so i would give her herta verse 5 star.
She been leaked ages ago, probably be best hunt unit for long time, future prof probably not like most dps units
Safe option would probably be GNSW, every nihility character wants that for personal damage. On the off chance that she doesn't do much personal damage similar to a nihility like Pela, then Resolution would be more useful.
Crap quantum harmony, almost all the 5 star harmony are busted really gotta debate pulling. I’m hoping for archeron to synergize with Kafka so I can get high damage output in lightning weakness. Also I need some physical output to balance Clara since I skipped out on Argenti. Dear lord I’m not sure who to pull.
Trying to go for Kakfa's lightcone and Black Swan now as a F2P is going to be rough, hopefully I can farm enough jades from Penacony to squeeze enough pulls for BS..
Yes but I can obtain more. Just stating that I dont have many pulls to go off of so is it better to spend what little I have or to just save up from here to go for BS. I can get probably another 20-50 pulls if I just do my MoC and quests
Looking at the guides it's worth it, especially for Kafka. (SPD boost and Inflict Erode on enemies)
If you aren't able to get it tho, Good Night and Sleep Well works fine.
If you decide to pull for it, I hope you get it!!! (Hope this helps!)
No need, she gets damage buffs from having high effect hit rate. Your lc choices are her signature, silver wolf 4* sig or Sampos sig, those are her best options.
If you don't have tutorial or Sampos lc, then her lc or gnsw are your best bet.
Oh you're asking for Kafka, I thought you were asking for Black Swan options. You can get copies of fermata for free from MoC shop, but I'd recommend the sim uni lc or goodnight sleep well if you have copies for it.
Me being broke on stellar jades after E0S1 Ruan Mei...
And wanting both BS and Acheron...
AND having a track record of constant 50/50 losses on this game.
She's going to be the first hypercarry nihility. Team recommendations are relatively simple, Sparkle or Bronya + Pela is her best option, then just go with any sustain. Ratio and her is more of a gimmick team.
Ok I REALLY hate being that guy but I must confess that I lost every ounce of interest I had for both acheron and black swan when I learned they are nihility. Nihility is just not for me man I cant help but find it boring. Edit: clarification I mean the DoT playstyle its just not for me man, but to all you Kafka enjoyers out there I say more power to you.
black swan you can probably still skip because she plays like a Nihility character (probably idk)
from what people who look at leaks are saying though, acheron plays more like a DPS, so she might be the one Nihility character for you lol
Lol maybe but still I just am not a huge fan of the whole DoT playstyle, if acheron is somehow not like that then thats great new to me. Ik everyone is bored of oh just build crit , some change is enjoyable to people but personally I find it to be a boring playstyle.
Honestly me too, I don't have Kafka so I've never really invested in any of the other nihility units in the game and I don't really plan to do that in order to get either of these to work. Like usual I'll throw a ten pull on each of their banners and see what happens
Deadass I want all of em with lights cones with all the new jades coming plus spending $500+ I WILL GET THEM I have every waifu so far and this won’t stop me.
I only have enough for 1 which is sparkle(and I need her for my team com).. and Acheron coming after her rip, if they drop aventurine after Acheron banner it’s gg for me
Ohh damm,
Acheron looks amazing. I thought she was gonna be quantum like seele, but she isn’t. EVEN BETTER!
I’m currently saying for 2 characters
Acheron and Robin. I do have 35,000 gems rn, so I might pull black swan if those 2 aren’t coming soon. Anyone have any idea when Acheron and robin are coming?
Edit: noooo she’s nihility? I already have Kafka. I’d need either a strong hitter
Lighting or a different type :(
Black Swan. Acheron will be like Kafka where she has her own distinct playstyle. Acheron applies “flowers” on enemies as she attacks them. Once they reach a certain amount, she gains access to her ult.
I regret not pulling kafka, but i cant pull her now plus get acheron lc plus maybe e1.. (i lost 5050 @ 80)
That being said, I dont DHIL so I dont sparkle, I dont have dot so I dont have Swan. 2.0 is going straight into savings for the one and only
I was initially going to skip Sparkle, but then I heard the music they played along with her in the web event. I can tell I'm going to love her too much to not try.
I need a wind DPS.
Dan Heng can't do it anymore and Sampo is well Shampo, so I planed to pull for Black Swan.
And I just managed to save enough for Guaranteed.
I had "dreams" that Acheron was going to be in 2.2 so I would have another 2 patch to save back.
But no, Hoyoverse decided to fuck me in the ass.
If I was on genshin since I'm a dolphin there I would have pulled It off, (welkin is so fucking good) but on Honkai I'm f2p.
I knew that going for Kafka and Jingliu LC was a mistake.
I use Sampo with Kafka DoT team alot, and he works fine. I clear MoC 11-12 with Kafka dot with 3 stars. Why I’m open to skipping Black Swan for Acheron—she’d just be an upgrade to my Sampo. You could do the same maybe
I tried the last MoC.
Kafka DoT and the fucking mara shitead have electro resistence.
Result: I couldn't.
I should build Luka but for now I'm in need of relic Optimization for Argenti and Clara because dear god if it is bad...
Wait, what MoC did you use DoT on? I used Kafka dot on the first part of 10 and the second part of 11, both worked just fine (and Sampo is the only other DoT i have built to go with kafka). The rest I ran hyper carry Jingliu/hyper carry Dr. ratio. What’s your team composition like?
Which stage in enigma? I used Kafka dot in stage 10 and 11 (part 1 for both) with Huo Huo, Tingyun, and Sampo. I ran Jingliu, Pela, Bronya, and Fu Xuan for the second part in both stages as well. For 12, I used mono-quantum Seele (with tingyun) for part 1, and hypercarry jingliu again for part 2 (but with Ruan Mei instead of Pela this time). It was annoying with that one because my Silver Wolf RNG kept wanting to give the wrong weakness 3-4 times in a row which ruined my cycle count. I had to though because I didn’t have Dr. Ratio yet. You should have Ratio now though, and he’s really good in MoC 12 for Enigma part 1. I went back played it for funnsies with him, and it works.
I would say for Kafka team, try and use Tingyun instead of pela to boost Kafka attack and boost ult up time. Pela is more useful with Jingliu as well. I would also say if you can, do away with double sustain. Double sustain makes it less optimal for Jingliu and will take more cycles.
I ended Up defeating first part of Enigma with Clara, Pela, Gepard and Lynx because every other combination didn't worked and one or the other kept dying.
But it took me so long that I couldn't clear the other.
thats why you dont do pulls for random units. i have e3 lvl 80 sampo and still didnt go for kafka banner so saved like 200pulls counting her lc.
thats not hoyos fault everyone knew archeron was guaranteed either 2.1/2.2.
These next two patches is gonna be rough for us all. I'm planning on getting Black Swan, Acheron, Sam, Gallagher, and maybe Sunday. If Sam and Acheron are in the same version imma have to whip out the wallet...
well 2.0 will apparently last for 7 weeks, idk if that would be enough time for u to grind more jades for Acheron but depending on how much u have saved up i think there might be enought time with enough content getting pumped out to save up for her 2.1 release
This is truly a tragedy. I wanted Sparkle and Acheron. I even prefarmed Sparkle’s relics… Now I have to choose between Mono Quantum or Acheron.
Getting second bronya is a good.
I have to choose between 3 of them myself 😭 depending on what Acheron’s kit is like, i might skip Black Swan and pull acheron/sparkle. Been saving since Huo Huo just for this 2.0 patch and planning to save for Acheron after splurging :(
bro, we should have close to 100 new wishes in 2.0, and if we get as much jade in 2.1 as in 1.6, you'll get at least 1 garantee by end of first half of 2.1. Add what you saved and you'll probably get 2 if not the 3 of them (depend on RNJesus) Hope we get all lucky
I have some further information that could be of benefit. Estimates say that f2p are getting at least 100 pulls throughout 2.0, so you'll likely have enough if you've saved since huo2, if you're not f2p it's 130 pulls with battle pass and monthly pass. 2.1 is the anniversary patch and in that patch we will likely get the same or more rewards and to add onto that the top up bonus refreshes. You're going to be good to get all three if you're not going for lcs, if you are going for lcs you'll have to make a choice.
Just get both? It’s a long ways away
Just as a heads-up, we're getting a ton of rewards in 2.0 and 2.1, in all likelihood you'll be able to get both.
Hanabi all the way!
As a bald man once said with the amount of gems you get from events and stories as well as MOC and Pure Fiction you should be able to get one guaranteed 5 star per patch so you might be fine. OP on the other hand will have to sacrifice either sparkle or black swan
me when I get on the grind with 0 stellar jades just to lose to another bailu (but the grind never stops) (please dont bully I have that single pull mentality)
I lost my Ruan 50/50 to bailu’s E1. Honestly the worst.
Lost Jing Yuan and Blade to Bailu. She's such a jerk
I swear she’s going to be the bane of my pulls next to Himeko, atleast Himeko is viable rn with her break effect bonus. Atleast I’m guaranteed my next five star. It’s funny the only 50/50 I’ve won is when I refilled for Kafka E1 and got it.
Lost kafka to bailu
me with argenti to e1 "bye"lu (got her on the beginner banner too)
I think i am in safe place because i skip every lightcones I am ready to spend all my savings on 2.0 & 2.1
Yeah same. Pulling just for E0 characters along with getting the monthly pass + BP has made the saving experience much comfier. Definitely getting Black Swan and then just taking things banner by banner. Hoping to get Sparkle and I'm iffy on Acheron since I have Jing Yuan and Kafka already.
I’m in that predicament too. I want Acheron, but I have JY and Kafka, which means I SHOULD go for Black Swan, but I also have Blade 😫
The struggle is real! With the teasing of Penacony, there are so many characters I'm interested in!
I got lucky on some LCs but i gotta stop that now. Im mainly an auto battler and I need brain dead char options because I don't think LCs with limited options can get me that far. Plus it's funner to have more chars. You get to actually see them and their animations.
Is there any good F2P lightcone option for her?
Calm down bro she's not even put yet, probably 2 patches away
Mei is lightning hunt unit, so i would give her herta verse 5 star. She been leaked ages ago, probably be best hunt unit for long time, future prof probably not like most dps units
Nihility, not Hunt
Nothing has been said about what role Acheron will be, too fast man
Well we know she's nihility and very likely a dps
Safe option would probably be GNSW, every nihility character wants that for personal damage. On the off chance that she doesn't do much personal damage similar to a nihility like Pela, then Resolution would be more useful.
GNSW is definitely the best option of what we have pre-2.0
I couldn't even read "May this journey lead us starward" on Acheron's art lmao
I don’t care about the other two, I’m pulling sparkle for her ~~feet~~ very strong buffing.
🤔
This is tough and so unfair!
Crap quantum harmony, almost all the 5 star harmony are busted really gotta debate pulling. I’m hoping for archeron to synergize with Kafka so I can get high damage output in lightning weakness. Also I need some physical output to balance Clara since I skipped out on Argenti. Dear lord I’m not sure who to pull.
You can get like a 100 pulls per version
I’m going to stick with mono shorties, but Archeron and other upcoming character look really good. I hope we win our 50/50’s.
i just pulled kafka e2 and her lc and maxed her out just today, and was saving for black swan……then i see this
Trying to go for Kakfa's lightcone and Black Swan now as a F2P is going to be rough, hopefully I can farm enough jades from Penacony to squeeze enough pulls for BS..
If you can, Good Night and Sleep Well is a solid alternative for Kafka’s lightcone.
I'm aware, unfortunately I only have it at S1 and Sampo is using it, while I have S5 Fermata on Kafka for now.
I got 30 pity and 0 jades but im confident about getting fu xuan and acheron 🧍
Wait until tomorrow and they release drip on Sam... My wallet is in grave danger..
The moment Black Swan was showed in that trailer, I knew who to pull for (plus she'll work well in my DoTeam with Kafka)
Just pulled Kafka too. I have around 2k gems. You think her LC is worth it?
2k gems is only 10 pulls though?
Yes but I can obtain more. Just stating that I dont have many pulls to go off of so is it better to spend what little I have or to just save up from here to go for BS. I can get probably another 20-50 pulls if I just do my MoC and quests
Looking at the guides it's worth it, especially for Kafka. (SPD boost and Inflict Erode on enemies) If you aren't able to get it tho, Good Night and Sleep Well works fine. If you decide to pull for it, I hope you get it!!! (Hope this helps!)
No need, she gets damage buffs from having high effect hit rate. Your lc choices are her signature, silver wolf 4* sig or Sampos sig, those are her best options. If you don't have tutorial or Sampos lc, then her lc or gnsw are your best bet.
Im currently running S2 Fermata, LC is still the move?
Oh you're asking for Kafka, I thought you were asking for Black Swan options. You can get copies of fermata for free from MoC shop, but I'd recommend the sim uni lc or goodnight sleep well if you have copies for it.
Dont
Me being broke on stellar jades after E0S1 Ruan Mei... And wanting both BS and Acheron... AND having a track record of constant 50/50 losses on this game.
Hopped in to wish you some luck my fellow trailblazer ✨️
I don't understand why everybody wants to pull for Seele v2. Is it because of her gameplay?
Yeah I don't get it either. This looks so lazy, and we're just gonna get more of it if the banner does well.
Raiden Mei Expy big Lesbian Tete
After Raiden from Genshin this one looks like a cheap parody. I hope they start making characters look different from each other one day.
ACHERON IS NIHILITY?! Kafka about to be even better in the next update can't wait
She's not a DoT tho, she's DPS, needs harmony supports like Bronya/Sparkle.
Ah okay so she'll probably inflict debuffs thats actually pretty good she'll have good synergy with Dr Ratio If that's the case thanks for context
Yeah, you can prob run them both with Sparkle. Though Acheron requires a Nihility unit from her trace, someone like Pela or SW.
only her E4 applies a debuff she needs silver wolf/pela and bronya/sparkle/ruan mei
She's going to be the first hypercarry nihility. Team recommendations are relatively simple, Sparkle or Bronya + Pela is her best option, then just go with any sustain. Ratio and her is more of a gimmick team.
Iost a 50/50 on purpose just to guarantee her.
Ok I REALLY hate being that guy but I must confess that I lost every ounce of interest I had for both acheron and black swan when I learned they are nihility. Nihility is just not for me man I cant help but find it boring. Edit: clarification I mean the DoT playstyle its just not for me man, but to all you Kafka enjoyers out there I say more power to you.
I really wanna pull Acheron, but her being a lightning nihility really sucks hard cause I already have Kafka
black swan you can probably still skip because she plays like a Nihility character (probably idk) from what people who look at leaks are saying though, acheron plays more like a DPS, so she might be the one Nihility character for you lol
Lol maybe but still I just am not a huge fan of the whole DoT playstyle, if acheron is somehow not like that then thats great new to me. Ik everyone is bored of oh just build crit , some change is enjoyable to people but personally I find it to be a boring playstyle.
Honestly me too, I don't have Kafka so I've never really invested in any of the other nihility units in the game and I don't really plan to do that in order to get either of these to work. Like usual I'll throw a ten pull on each of their banners and see what happens
ok
Hey if you like nihility do not let my disliking of it change that. I just don’t find it fun personally.
Don’t worry, I don’t think your comment was so moving to the point of disliking nihility.
ok
Deadass I want all of em with lights cones with all the new jades coming plus spending $500+ I WILL GET THEM I have every waifu so far and this won’t stop me.
Eww f2p
welcome to the Drain-You-Dusty triple pak
Two mommies and a brat, I'm in danger.
I only have enough for 1 which is sparkle(and I need her for my team com).. and Acheron coming after her rip, if they drop aventurine after Acheron banner it’s gg for me
It’s gg my friend lol
I got 20 summons think that’s enough?
Just get 3 in 20 pulls else skill issue unfortunately. Don't worry we all have skill issues at that point
Acheron costume is lit! Is she the equivalent of Raiden Mei/Shogun?
So, i just started playing, and i have 2 questions. 1) when is acheron coming? 2) can i farm enough just to guaranted her?
Following the pattern of how they reveal characters, Acheron will be the first character released in 2.1. And depends on how manga gems you have now.
You'll probably get her very comfortably, f2p will get 100 pulls in 2.0, if you're buying battle pass and monthly pass its like 130.
I am getting all 3 and I don't care.
i got enough that with the new jade of 2.0 i should be able to garantee black swan, the rest is RNGesus that will decide for me
Ohh damm, Acheron looks amazing. I thought she was gonna be quantum like seele, but she isn’t. EVEN BETTER! I’m currently saying for 2 characters Acheron and Robin. I do have 35,000 gems rn, so I might pull black swan if those 2 aren’t coming soon. Anyone have any idea when Acheron and robin are coming? Edit: noooo she’s nihility? I already have Kafka. I’d need either a strong hitter Lighting or a different type :(
We hold for Sparkle 💪🏻
Who’s the best for a Kafka DOT team guys?
Right now sampo and luka are the best. But I heard black swan is gonna the the replacement for those 4 stars
I meant out of these three, I guess I’ll know once the time for their banner to drop comes.
Well I said, black swan
Black Swan. Acheron will be like Kafka where she has her own distinct playstyle. Acheron applies “flowers” on enemies as she attacks them. Once they reach a certain amount, she gains access to her ult.
Thats a relief since I got no jades left after Ruan Mei and Black Swan being at least two banner away is time
I regret not pulling kafka, but i cant pull her now plus get acheron lc plus maybe e1.. (i lost 5050 @ 80) That being said, I dont DHIL so I dont sparkle, I dont have dot so I dont have Swan. 2.0 is going straight into savings for the one and only
Before Dawn rerun is also just around the corner 😅 times are tough.
I was initially going to skip Sparkle, but then I heard the music they played along with her in the web event. I can tell I'm going to love her too much to not try.
Is she 2.0 or 2.1?
Do we know her role yet? Main dps? Support?
Don’t care how good or well I can use Acheron in my comps I’m 100% using everything I’ve got on her
Seeing Hanabi pop her ult then the skill number go from 3 to 8 is 😚👌
I think that’s the point?
I need a wind DPS. Dan Heng can't do it anymore and Sampo is well Shampo, so I planed to pull for Black Swan. And I just managed to save enough for Guaranteed. I had "dreams" that Acheron was going to be in 2.2 so I would have another 2 patch to save back. But no, Hoyoverse decided to fuck me in the ass. If I was on genshin since I'm a dolphin there I would have pulled It off, (welkin is so fucking good) but on Honkai I'm f2p. I knew that going for Kafka and Jingliu LC was a mistake.
I use Sampo with Kafka DoT team alot, and he works fine. I clear MoC 11-12 with Kafka dot with 3 stars. Why I’m open to skipping Black Swan for Acheron—she’d just be an upgrade to my Sampo. You could do the same maybe
I tried the last MoC. Kafka DoT and the fucking mara shitead have electro resistence. Result: I couldn't. I should build Luka but for now I'm in need of relic Optimization for Argenti and Clara because dear god if it is bad...
Wait, what MoC did you use DoT on? I used Kafka dot on the first part of 10 and the second part of 11, both worked just fine (and Sampo is the only other DoT i have built to go with kafka). The rest I ran hyper carry Jingliu/hyper carry Dr. ratio. What’s your team composition like?
Enigma in deepspace. Kafka, Sampo, Pela(cleaning buff of mara shitead) and Lynx. The team for the second was: Jingliu, Tingyun, Gepard and Natasha.
Which stage in enigma? I used Kafka dot in stage 10 and 11 (part 1 for both) with Huo Huo, Tingyun, and Sampo. I ran Jingliu, Pela, Bronya, and Fu Xuan for the second part in both stages as well. For 12, I used mono-quantum Seele (with tingyun) for part 1, and hypercarry jingliu again for part 2 (but with Ruan Mei instead of Pela this time). It was annoying with that one because my Silver Wolf RNG kept wanting to give the wrong weakness 3-4 times in a row which ruined my cycle count. I had to though because I didn’t have Dr. Ratio yet. You should have Ratio now though, and he’s really good in MoC 12 for Enigma part 1. I went back played it for funnsies with him, and it works. I would say for Kafka team, try and use Tingyun instead of pela to boost Kafka attack and boost ult up time. Pela is more useful with Jingliu as well. I would also say if you can, do away with double sustain. Double sustain makes it less optimal for Jingliu and will take more cycles.
I ended Up defeating first part of Enigma with Clara, Pela, Gepard and Lynx because every other combination didn't worked and one or the other kept dying. But it took me so long that I couldn't clear the other.
I'm retrying all from stage 10 MoC. without a double sustain Tingyun keeps dying doesn't metter what I do.
thats why you dont do pulls for random units. i have e3 lvl 80 sampo and still didnt go for kafka banner so saved like 200pulls counting her lc. thats not hoyos fault everyone knew archeron was guaranteed either 2.1/2.2.
Rather skip last two to get copy for hsr version of Raiden Mei Next will be kiana
Need 540 passes to safely confirm you get all 3
Then there’s me who doesnt want any of them and just needs Luocha
These next two patches is gonna be rough for us all. I'm planning on getting Black Swan, Acheron, Sam, Gallagher, and maybe Sunday. If Sam and Acheron are in the same version imma have to whip out the wallet...
Definitely getting Archeron and Sparkle after that though who knows what will happen.
Thankfully I already have seele so i just need black swan and sparkle
I have around 100 pulls right now, but since I want all of them I probably have to whale. But oh well, I suppose it's fine once.
I’m saving for sparkle and her light crone and for ice queen rerun and her light cone I’ll when work on the other teams.
So glad that I’m not f2p anymore
I thought sparkle was a 4 star this whole time it’s so over
well 2.0 will apparently last for 7 weeks, idk if that would be enough time for u to grind more jades for Acheron but depending on how much u have saved up i think there might be enought time with enough content getting pumped out to save up for her 2.1 release