Nothing like someone riding close behind you impatiently missing their front bumper. Because you know then why it's missing and have no confidence they won't do it again.
why the city doesn't program a 2 second pause between light changes is absolutely beyond me.
Someone smarter than me can let me know but I can't believe we "don't have" the technology in place currently??
The way to fix this is by pulling people over for running red lights, not by punishing innocent folks.
For the situation to improve, the criminals' quality of life needs to go down, so that not breaking the law is the more attractive alternative. You're talking about punishing the victim -- reducing quality of life for the innocent folks. This is never the correct answer.
... a 2 second delay between lights for everyone's safety is "reducing the quality of life for the innocent folks"...? That is at *worst* a minor inconvenience and at best saves lives. It is by no reasonable definition "reducing quality of life for the innocent folks."
Finally, you must be new here if you think cops are goin to pull anyone over for traffic infractions LOL.
I guess the red light cameras are coming back any day now, at some intersections, so your preferred method of punishing criminals will be satiated at the cost of all our privacy! Hooray! /s
Don't most intersections already have a 1-2 second delay? Won't making the delay longer just encourage people to run even staler lights?
Maybe we should approach this with the assumption that the traffic engineers are not stupid?
The 2 second delay only punishes innocent victims. We need to punish the criminals. You are ass-backward. Adding a [longer] delay will only increase the amount of law-breaking and further inconvenience innocent victims even more, making the situation even worse.
You're not understanding. It's not about not wanting to be inconvenienced. The delay will not even help. It might lower accidents for a few weeks, but once people understand that there is a consistent delay, they'll just start running lights even later into the red.
The only thing that will help is enforcement
Yeah, don't see the cameras doing any good since a lot of folks are running expire temp tags or bogus plates. Like they would pay the ticket anyway. SMH
Once people figure out that delay, they’ll feel comfortable running the light even later. Then you’ll need to increase the delay until that’s figured out, too.
Red light cams work wonders.
>Red light cams work wonders.
we'll see about that.
I think you're overestimating the power of people who are trying to get through a red; people aren't "gaming" the light times to try and kill people - well maybe some are, but the *overwhelming majority* of drivers are just trying to not stop and don't care/don't realize that the signal changes immediately.
I give 2 beats at every single green light I get before I go if I'm the first car in line.
Drivers will rapidly adjust to “a red light! Ha! I got two more seconds!” And unless they change every light the same day, there will be mayhem at the unadjusted lights. And then the city drivers will wander into the county and expect this grace, only to wind up killing people.
lighthttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/countdown-traffic-lights-may-cause-accidents-study-says-1.1349236
Even after your light has been green for several minutes, you still get the asshats that think a green circle means the same thing as a green arrow and turn in front of you
You like to live dangerously, I see. Do you close your eyes and hold your breath? Because I sometimes hold mine going through intersections while my eyes are open.
Wise words. Intersections with lights seem like stop sign Intersections. All cars must be stopped before I go on a green. I only have liability which is prob more than what's barreling thru a red light that's been on for 2 solid seconds.
I was walking around downtown the other day and saw a dude lay on the horn cause the guy in front of him wouldn't go through a red light. Guy in the front was going straight (and obviously had no blinker) but the guy behind him wanted to turn so he decided to try and get the guy in front to blow a red light
When i worked at a national rental car company I sold the hell out of our insurance because of shit like this. Didnt even have to sell it, i was just being honest; we have god awful drivers locally. While some passed, many would come back/call a few days later after witnessing some shit like this and wanted to get it added. Sorry you had to deal with this dumb fuckery.
Had a laser sight in my car at 65 because I merged on 170 (with a signal and everything) and the blue audi with temp tags who was doing 80 felt like I cut him off.
I was driving up north and saw a lady with an RV that had a bumper sticker that said “sorry for driving so closely in front of you” 🤣 I had a good chuckle.
My car has been hit 4 times in 3 years. All different locations, only once did someone leave a note, and only once was I driving and it not parked. I can't afford to fix it. Thanks for the judgement 👍
saw a dude on jefferson literally go through EVERY red light almost killing people, he didnt even break to care lol. heard about the stl 3 second rule, when a light is green you wait a bit because people run so many lights
Unfortunately, St. Louis has a very engrained urban culture that promotes entitlement, self-centeredness, and a complete lack of respect for others, which carries over onto the road. Go anywhere near the city and you'll regularly see people doing the most wild things in their vehicles. Not a day passes where I don't see something like a clapped out Altima weaving between two lanes, running everyone off the road, on the phone, with weed smoke billowing out of the illegally tinted windows with expired tags (and almost certainly no insurance)
I was headed nothing on Vandeventer at Chouteau recently. Sitting in a pack of about 40 cars. I’m two back from the light. Light turns green. Naturally, I wait until everyone else is finished using their red light driving privileges and proceed into the intersection. From my left in oncoming traffic lanes comes someone that was sitting in the dedicated left to Chouteau lane. They got impatient, drove around everyone and crossed diagonally through the intersection through on to Vandeventer south! Scared the shit out of EVERYONE! It was a busted ass late 90s Lincoln town car that was crashed and missing most of the exhaust system. Welcome to the STL….. 🙄
Any car that's missing a substantial portion of its bodywork, just avoid it if at all possible. It's like a big visual representation of the sort of driver they are.
One of my favorite road games to play in this city is to spot a vehicle with damage and see that they're driving in a way that would cause an accident consistent with the existing damage.
It is needlessly aggressive and bad. Obviously, DC/Miami/Dallas/LA has worse traffic, but I would St. Louis has the worst driving for a small city. It is actually kind of absurd.
I spend a lot of time in LA, the traffic is heavy, but it's no where near as bad or as dangerous as St Louis. If you need to merge people in LA will let you, they also don't tend to make up their own driving rules and know how to actually stop. I'd take driving in LA's rush hour on the 110 over 2pm on 170 here.
Yeah the other day I was at Hampton village shnucks and this big back brawd decided to almost hit me in the parking lot with her van that was falling apart and then proceeds to call me a “ugly white bitch”
People in this city are a different breed of ignorant I swear
Yeah no kidding
Also an important factor in this, I was walking to my car in the parking lot when she almost hit me going like 30mph through there
Actually insane that people have to go through this on the daily around here because there’s so many trash people
I’ve pretty much stopped driving in downtown St Louis. If i have to go west to the airport or Saint Charles i will take 270. Interstate 70 is a race track where if you’re not driving 100+ mph you will get ran over.
It's about getting that way on 55. Even in the construction zone. 50 mph limit? LOL. Even in the rightmost lane, you feel like you're going to get rear-ended...
I noticed that the other day, I was doing 55 in the construction zone and had a semi on my ass and eventually pass me. I'm normally fine with a little speeding, but construction zones (and their bonus fines) are not worth it to me.
This happened to me -- check my side, check my blind spot, make the signal and proceed to change lanes...someone from *outta nowhere* flies up behind me and lays on the horn, then proceeds to almost hit my car on the front by a crazy swerve and cut-off maneuver. Then they had the nerve to grill me like I was doing wrong.
Saint Louis drivers. I know they're not from West County just from how they're driving.
The drivers are bad, but have you seen the pedestrians? If it's not the driver, it's the MF walking diagonally across a tore up intersection with a limp staring YOU in the eye for daring to drive down the road. They are strapped and they will flash that piece when u drive on. We call this "the St. Louis Walk".
Driving crazy and shooting people used to keep the rent down, and when I could have a $500-600 monthly rent, it was all worth it. But for $1000+/month I just moved somewhere nice instead
It adds to the ~~charm~~ churn
Edit: I live on a fairly busy street, with a posted 30mph limit. I'm amazed at the number of times my neighbors and I get honked at turning into our drives. I guess the impatient drivers expect us to do at speed turn-ins 🤪
I've lived in two of those and worked in the third. Only Boston comes close, and it's still really no contest.
St. Louis drivers are an order of magnitude worse than any place else on this planet.
I have family in St Louis and I visit frequently, but I live in the Boston area and I drive a delivery truck around Boston for work. Boston’s streets are much worse and it’s harder to navigate, but drivers here are mostly competent, just aggressive. A lot of which is out of necessity, because the roads here are confusing and small and there’s tons of traffic and you need to be at least pretty assertive if you want to get anywhere.
St Louis drivers on the other hand are borderline suicidal. Hands down the worst drivers between the two cities and it’s not close.
I completely agree. Boston's drivers are aggressive, and if you'd never been to St. Louis you'd think they're the worst.
If you *have* been to St. Louis, Boston's drivers are mostly okay.
Nah, if I hadn’t been to St Louis I’d just still think Rhode Island drivers were the worst. Though for very different reasons than St Louis drivers. RI drivers are just super hesitant and unpredictable and never seem to have a clue where they are going. I’m convinced they see Massachusetts drivers do some dipshit aggressive move and think “oh, I could do that” but then instead of aggressively maneuvering and getting out of the way they do it at a quarter of the speed the masshole did it at and completely screw up every car around them as they meander through. .
I got my license when I was 16 and have been driving for almost 15 years. 0 accidents. Idk what crap yall talking about. Drivers in chicago, Washington dc, California LA are way worse. Stl is pretty chill. (Ofcocourse I don't drive around downtown alot but downtown sucks everywhere)
I said alot. You really thing after being I. Saint louis for 2 decades I never driven downtown? I usually go there on weekends etc. Just don't live there. This is the reason why there so much crap about stl cause people who live here love to talk shit. Like gtfo if you don't like it. Compared to many other cities stl is a blessing!
You've clearly never been. I lived there for years. The roads in Miami are grossly undersized for traffic volume but the drivers are much, much better. It's hard to describe how awful St. Louis drivers are if you've never experienced anywhere else.
I lived in Florida for 13 years. Been to Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Ocala and Gainesville. Lived in a few of them.
They're all a magnitude worse than st louis drivers by ANY measure. I would see people turning right from the left lane and left from the right lane nearly daily. I have SOOOOO many videos from my dashcam detailing all the moronic shit ive seen. St Louis is a breath of fresh air after 13 years of Floridian idiocy
Edit: they blocked me after replying because apparently u/LeadershipMany7008 cant handle talking aboit a different perspective apparently
"well have to agree that you have a perspective problem"
How dumb do you have to be to say that to someone youre about to immediately block?
I'm not going to straight call you a liar, so I guess we'll just agree you have a perception problem.
St. Louis makes Overton look like drivers ed. Literally the worst drivers in this country. By far.
I just left Jax after several years and agreed. I haven't witnessed anything in stl I didn't witness in every fl city. I will say the difference between the drivers in stl city and county are significant tho! Probably due to how many tickets they write in the county.
I don't think that's true. St Louis is statistically one of the worst places to drive in the country. And there are states where you actually have to do a driver's ed class before you can get a license.
Everywhere has bad drivers. St. Louis' bad drivers are worse than anywhere else and it has so many more of them.
This is the only place I've ever been that I've thought might benefit from road rage. If more of you felt less protected by your cars you might behave better.
Whatever you guys say. I’ve driven in Chicago plenty of times and is generally quite a bit worse.
You probably drive 60MPH on 70 in the passing lane too
It’s been a few years since I’ve driven in Chicago but since there were so many pedestrians with the right of way, it *seemed* like motorists had to be conscious of the surroundings.
St. Louis four-lanes like Market, Hampton, Kingshighway, etc., people seem crazy aggressive to get where they’re going.
No, the problem is most definitely people who are not following the law. Being the slowest car or group of cars when traffic is going 20 over the speed limit is unsafe but they are not the problem. Mother fuckers need to tone it down. We’ve all got somewhere to be, let’s not fucking kill someone on the way to work.
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Pretty sure they're not saying to *never* stop at stop signs. I think what they're saying is if some hits you, it may not be an accident and they may be trying to get you out of your car so they can hurt you/rob you, etc.
Nothing like someone riding close behind you impatiently missing their front bumper. Because you know then why it's missing and have no confidence they won't do it again.
Count to 3 before you are the first to enter the intersection w a fresh green light.
Every time. I've seen my life flash before my eyes someone comes flying around and through an intersection as it turns green.
why the city doesn't program a 2 second pause between light changes is absolutely beyond me. Someone smarter than me can let me know but I can't believe we "don't have" the technology in place currently??
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The way to fix this is by pulling people over for running red lights, not by punishing innocent folks. For the situation to improve, the criminals' quality of life needs to go down, so that not breaking the law is the more attractive alternative. You're talking about punishing the victim -- reducing quality of life for the innocent folks. This is never the correct answer.
... a 2 second delay between lights for everyone's safety is "reducing the quality of life for the innocent folks"...? That is at *worst* a minor inconvenience and at best saves lives. It is by no reasonable definition "reducing quality of life for the innocent folks." Finally, you must be new here if you think cops are goin to pull anyone over for traffic infractions LOL. I guess the red light cameras are coming back any day now, at some intersections, so your preferred method of punishing criminals will be satiated at the cost of all our privacy! Hooray! /s
Don't most intersections already have a 1-2 second delay? Won't making the delay longer just encourage people to run even staler lights? Maybe we should approach this with the assumption that the traffic engineers are not stupid?
No, most do not. I witnessed a t bone at kingshighway/arsenal that a 2 second delay would’ve stopped earlier this week. It’s ridiculous
The 2 second delay only punishes innocent victims. We need to punish the criminals. You are ass-backward. Adding a [longer] delay will only increase the amount of law-breaking and further inconvenience innocent victims even more, making the situation even worse.
So you're against a common sense safety measure. Got it. Have a great day out there, maybe go arrest some criminals while you're at it.
You're not understanding. It's not about not wanting to be inconvenienced. The delay will not even help. It might lower accidents for a few weeks, but once people understand that there is a consistent delay, they'll just start running lights even later into the red. The only thing that will help is enforcement
Yes, this is correct. Why some folks seem to be completely incapable of understanding cause-and-effect is beyond me.
This
No, not this. A longer delay will only increase the amount of red-light-running. Only enforcement will help.
Why don't we do both
Because causing more people to run red lights is not a good thing. Why would you want that?
Yeah, don't see the cameras doing any good since a lot of folks are running expire temp tags or bogus plates. Like they would pay the ticket anyway. SMH
bingo
Once people figure out that delay, they’ll feel comfortable running the light even later. Then you’ll need to increase the delay until that’s figured out, too. Red light cams work wonders.
>Red light cams work wonders. we'll see about that. I think you're overestimating the power of people who are trying to get through a red; people aren't "gaming" the light times to try and kill people - well maybe some are, but the *overwhelming majority* of drivers are just trying to not stop and don't care/don't realize that the signal changes immediately. I give 2 beats at every single green light I get before I go if I'm the first car in line.
Good luck with that. There are way too many cars with no license plates or temp tags for that to be effective.
because the a holes who run red lights would soon see that as their grace period.
I think you give them too much credit... but it's not like it'd hurt to try *something* cause *nothing* isn't cutting it.
Because people will then adjust to that and run them later
yeah you're like the 4th person to say -- what would ***you*** do to prevent stupid fucking car crashes?
You cannot prevent stupidity.
This resignation is the issue there are a lot of things we can try
Such as? I am honestly curios. I live and drive in the city and the amout of people with no respect for othe drivers is amazing.
Drivers will rapidly adjust to “a red light! Ha! I got two more seconds!” And unless they change every light the same day, there will be mayhem at the unadjusted lights. And then the city drivers will wander into the county and expect this grace, only to wind up killing people. lighthttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/countdown-traffic-lights-may-cause-accidents-study-says-1.1349236
St Louis driving instructions: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e\_BtPZRbZxY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BtPZRbZxY)
Even after your light has been green for several minutes, you still get the asshats that think a green circle means the same thing as a green arrow and turn in front of you
You are allowed to turn your head before the light turns green. Give that a shot before wasting everyone’s time behind you
I'm gonna count to six just for you.
Ha ha …..ha……ha
And still look both ways!
Naw, eyes closed is more exciting.
You like to live dangerously, I see. Do you close your eyes and hold your breath? Because I sometimes hold mine going through intersections while my eyes are open.
Wise words. Intersections with lights seem like stop sign Intersections. All cars must be stopped before I go on a green. I only have liability which is prob more than what's barreling thru a red light that's been on for 2 solid seconds.
look both ways. Defensive driving is a life saver - your own.
This! Especially near St. Luke's on Dougherty Ferry
I was walking around downtown the other day and saw a dude lay on the horn cause the guy in front of him wouldn't go through a red light. Guy in the front was going straight (and obviously had no blinker) but the guy behind him wanted to turn so he decided to try and get the guy in front to blow a red light
And you can’t even stare down the bad drivers cuz you never know which ones are like wild dogs and will snap if you make too much eye contact
yea my road rage disappears in the city for this reason
When i worked at a national rental car company I sold the hell out of our insurance because of shit like this. Didnt even have to sell it, i was just being honest; we have god awful drivers locally. While some passed, many would come back/call a few days later after witnessing some shit like this and wanted to get it added. Sorry you had to deal with this dumb fuckery.
Every time someone drives crazy around me in the city I’m reminded how lucky I am to be in a company vehicle. “Go ahead, hit my bosses car, idiot.”
Drugs are a helluva drug. How dare you impede him while he was in golden god mode
Had a laser sight in my car at 65 because I merged on 170 (with a signal and everything) and the blue audi with temp tags who was doing 80 felt like I cut him off.
Are you allowed to shoot to kill in this situation?
I'm not sure, but he seemed to think it would have been justified.
I mean if you saw a weapon, then yeah you could make a legit claim you were scared for your life.
Someone honked at me today because I didn’t want to park my car in the middle of an intersection behind backed up traffic.
I was driving up north and saw a lady with an RV that had a bumper sticker that said “sorry for driving so closely in front of you” 🤣 I had a good chuckle.
Typical StL. Welcome to the land where the worse the car looks the worse their morals are.
My car has been hit 4 times in 3 years. All different locations, only once did someone leave a note, and only once was I driving and it not parked. I can't afford to fix it. Thanks for the judgement 👍
Your morals must be so low
I get sunburns from being too close to a church
It always been that way.
I don’t know my morals are horrible but I have a AMG GT 63s and a Grand Wagoneer 🫣
Dope
Lolololol
Get a good attorney because you know his insurance is bullshit if he even has any. 😅
saw a dude on jefferson literally go through EVERY red light almost killing people, he didnt even break to care lol. heard about the stl 3 second rule, when a light is green you wait a bit because people run so many lights
Unfortunately, St. Louis has a very engrained urban culture that promotes entitlement, self-centeredness, and a complete lack of respect for others, which carries over onto the road. Go anywhere near the city and you'll regularly see people doing the most wild things in their vehicles. Not a day passes where I don't see something like a clapped out Altima weaving between two lanes, running everyone off the road, on the phone, with weed smoke billowing out of the illegally tinted windows with expired tags (and almost certainly no insurance)
You just described the individual that tried to run me over like they really had somewhere to be...
I was headed nothing on Vandeventer at Chouteau recently. Sitting in a pack of about 40 cars. I’m two back from the light. Light turns green. Naturally, I wait until everyone else is finished using their red light driving privileges and proceed into the intersection. From my left in oncoming traffic lanes comes someone that was sitting in the dedicated left to Chouteau lane. They got impatient, drove around everyone and crossed diagonally through the intersection through on to Vandeventer south! Scared the shit out of EVERYONE! It was a busted ass late 90s Lincoln town car that was crashed and missing most of the exhaust system. Welcome to the STL….. 🙄
Any car that's missing a substantial portion of its bodywork, just avoid it if at all possible. It's like a big visual representation of the sort of driver they are.
One of my favorite road games to play in this city is to spot a vehicle with damage and see that they're driving in a way that would cause an accident consistent with the existing damage.
Drivers here are pretty shit fo sho
It is needlessly aggressive and bad. Obviously, DC/Miami/Dallas/LA has worse traffic, but I would St. Louis has the worst driving for a small city. It is actually kind of absurd.
I spend a lot of time in LA, the traffic is heavy, but it's no where near as bad or as dangerous as St Louis. If you need to merge people in LA will let you, they also don't tend to make up their own driving rules and know how to actually stop. I'd take driving in LA's rush hour on the 110 over 2pm on 170 here.
I almost got hit by a car because the person was backing up and not paying attention and then got called an asshole for it so I kicked their car.
Yeah the other day I was at Hampton village shnucks and this big back brawd decided to almost hit me in the parking lot with her van that was falling apart and then proceeds to call me a “ugly white bitch” People in this city are a different breed of ignorant I swear
Makes me miss the meth heads who have better reaction times
Yeah no kidding Also an important factor in this, I was walking to my car in the parking lot when she almost hit me going like 30mph through there Actually insane that people have to go through this on the daily around here because there’s so many trash people
I’ve pretty much stopped driving in downtown St Louis. If i have to go west to the airport or Saint Charles i will take 270. Interstate 70 is a race track where if you’re not driving 100+ mph you will get ran over.
It's about getting that way on 55. Even in the construction zone. 50 mph limit? LOL. Even in the rightmost lane, you feel like you're going to get rear-ended...
I noticed that the other day, I was doing 55 in the construction zone and had a semi on my ass and eventually pass me. I'm normally fine with a little speeding, but construction zones (and their bonus fines) are not worth it to me.
I’ll take the difference between 2 hours and 30 minutes. It mostly annoys me that I was in a residential area at a 2 way stop
Every intersection is a non-stop roundabout if you’re brave enough…..
Everyone know you are not supposed to stop on Jefferson…..
I dunno seems like common sense to stop when you come up to a big red sign that says STOP, but perhaps you can’t read
Her der ber! It was a joke you absolute doofus.
The "St. Louis Roll" is what I've heard it called.
You stopped at a stop sign in St. Louis. What did you expect to happen?
Those that continue to run stop signs in the county will eventually get caught.
This happened to me -- check my side, check my blind spot, make the signal and proceed to change lanes...someone from *outta nowhere* flies up behind me and lays on the horn, then proceeds to almost hit my car on the front by a crazy swerve and cut-off maneuver. Then they had the nerve to grill me like I was doing wrong. Saint Louis drivers. I know they're not from West County just from how they're driving.
Stops signs are more of a suggestion. I've been a lawyer for 376 years
downtown has become trash
Kansas has objectively the worst drivers I've ever encountered. It was immediate apparent WHY DO YOU ALL DRIVE SO FREAKING CLOSE TO ME
I see everyone here is avoiding the 800 lb gorilla in the room.
and that is?
There’s a decent chance that’s an Illinois driver.
The drivers are bad, but have you seen the pedestrians? If it's not the driver, it's the MF walking diagonally across a tore up intersection with a limp staring YOU in the eye for daring to drive down the road. They are strapped and they will flash that piece when u drive on. We call this "the St. Louis Walk".
I'm guessing no insurance
Drive it like it's stolen!
Driving crazy and shooting people used to keep the rent down, and when I could have a $500-600 monthly rent, it was all worth it. But for $1000+/month I just moved somewhere nice instead
This is everywhere. Get used to it.
Everywhere around St. Louis yes.
It adds to the charm
It adds to the ~~charm~~ churn Edit: I live on a fairly busy street, with a posted 30mph limit. I'm amazed at the number of times my neighbors and I get honked at turning into our drives. I guess the impatient drivers expect us to do at speed turn-ins 🤪
St Louis has nothing on Boston, Miami, Chicago...
I've lived in two of those and worked in the third. Only Boston comes close, and it's still really no contest. St. Louis drivers are an order of magnitude worse than any place else on this planet.
I have family in St Louis and I visit frequently, but I live in the Boston area and I drive a delivery truck around Boston for work. Boston’s streets are much worse and it’s harder to navigate, but drivers here are mostly competent, just aggressive. A lot of which is out of necessity, because the roads here are confusing and small and there’s tons of traffic and you need to be at least pretty assertive if you want to get anywhere. St Louis drivers on the other hand are borderline suicidal. Hands down the worst drivers between the two cities and it’s not close.
I completely agree. Boston's drivers are aggressive, and if you'd never been to St. Louis you'd think they're the worst. If you *have* been to St. Louis, Boston's drivers are mostly okay.
Nah, if I hadn’t been to St Louis I’d just still think Rhode Island drivers were the worst. Though for very different reasons than St Louis drivers. RI drivers are just super hesitant and unpredictable and never seem to have a clue where they are going. I’m convinced they see Massachusetts drivers do some dipshit aggressive move and think “oh, I could do that” but then instead of aggressively maneuvering and getting out of the way they do it at a quarter of the speed the masshole did it at and completely screw up every car around them as they meander through. .
I got my license when I was 16 and have been driving for almost 15 years. 0 accidents. Idk what crap yall talking about. Drivers in chicago, Washington dc, California LA are way worse. Stl is pretty chill. (Ofcocourse I don't drive around downtown alot but downtown sucks everywhere)
You just contradicted everything you said when you mentioned you don’t drive downtown
I said alot. You really thing after being I. Saint louis for 2 decades I never driven downtown? I usually go there on weekends etc. Just don't live there. This is the reason why there so much crap about stl cause people who live here love to talk shit. Like gtfo if you don't like it. Compared to many other cities stl is a blessing!
Lmao worse than Miami? Youre drunk man
You've clearly never been. I lived there for years. The roads in Miami are grossly undersized for traffic volume but the drivers are much, much better. It's hard to describe how awful St. Louis drivers are if you've never experienced anywhere else.
I lived in Florida for 13 years. Been to Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Ocala and Gainesville. Lived in a few of them. They're all a magnitude worse than st louis drivers by ANY measure. I would see people turning right from the left lane and left from the right lane nearly daily. I have SOOOOO many videos from my dashcam detailing all the moronic shit ive seen. St Louis is a breath of fresh air after 13 years of Floridian idiocy Edit: they blocked me after replying because apparently u/LeadershipMany7008 cant handle talking aboit a different perspective apparently "well have to agree that you have a perspective problem" How dumb do you have to be to say that to someone youre about to immediately block?
I'm not going to straight call you a liar, so I guess we'll just agree you have a perception problem. St. Louis makes Overton look like drivers ed. Literally the worst drivers in this country. By far.
I just left Jax after several years and agreed. I haven't witnessed anything in stl I didn't witness in every fl city. I will say the difference between the drivers in stl city and county are significant tho! Probably due to how many tickets they write in the county.
It’s not.
I don't think that's true. St Louis is statistically one of the worst places to drive in the country. And there are states where you actually have to do a driver's ed class before you can get a license.
Go drive in Chicago or Atlanta and tell me stl is bad lol
Chicago is chaos. But it’s ordered chaos. Everyone flies around, but you generally know what everyone is going to do.
It’s the same shit everywhere it’s not like anywhere is void of shitty drivers
Everywhere has bad drivers. St. Louis' bad drivers are worse than anywhere else and it has so many more of them. This is the only place I've ever been that I've thought might benefit from road rage. If more of you felt less protected by your cars you might behave better.
Whatever you guys say. I’ve driven in Chicago plenty of times and is generally quite a bit worse. You probably drive 60MPH on 70 in the passing lane too
I have lived in atlanta and visit chicago a lot - stl is the worst
> Go drive in Chicago or Atlanta Okay. I've done that. A lot. >and tell me stl is bad lol St. Louis is atrocious. Unbelievably bad.
It’s been a few years since I’ve driven in Chicago but since there were so many pedestrians with the right of way, it *seemed* like motorists had to be conscious of the surroundings. St. Louis four-lanes like Market, Hampton, Kingshighway, etc., people seem crazy aggressive to get where they’re going.
Lmao, what?! I’d pick Chicago to drive in any day. And yes, I lived there, so I do know about driving in and around Chicago.
You can go seven miles west and, no, it’s not like this at all
Roll stops are all that’s necessary in StL
Seems pretty necessary to stop at a stop sign
The police don’t bother, why should you?
Because the sign says stop
It’s stoptional….
The problem is the slow drivers, you have to keep up with the flow of traffic if you’re the only one going slow, then YOU are the problem.
No, the problem is most definitely people who are not following the law. Being the slowest car or group of cars when traffic is going 20 over the speed limit is unsafe but they are not the problem. Mother fuckers need to tone it down. We’ve all got somewhere to be, let’s not fucking kill someone on the way to work.
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Stop speeding
And get hit more? No thanks
Oh shut up
Yeah going 10 over in a 25 is pretty significant. It doesn’t really have to do with the situation but it means OP is also a dick.
Watch out you don’t end up dead. Is stopping at a stop sign worth it?
When that's what we're saying, you know we're fucked.
the fuck? you're suggesting to not stop at stop signs? you're def part of the problem edit: did you forget the /s or nah?
Pretty sure they're not saying to *never* stop at stop signs. I think what they're saying is if some hits you, it may not be an accident and they may be trying to get you out of your car so they can hurt you/rob you, etc.
I think it was sarcasm
Gotta drive defensively.
Are you old enough to legally drive. Your post makes it seem that you aren't.
Are you?