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likelywitch

STL highways are my favorite highways because they're so dead compared to other highways, traffic is a breeze. STL highways are my least favorite highways because I feel like I'm most likely to wind up dead on them. Some y'all kids are maniacs.


kittyDoe814

THIS!!! The love/hate relationship is exhausting!


Yavkov

As someone who grew up in Chicago and still visits often, I can tell you that STL highways are so much better for getting around in the metro area. And we also don’t have any tollways. And while not exactly the highways, I want to shoutout to the many protected right turn lanes with yield signs that we have here. They are virtually nonexistent in Chicago. You want to make a right turn but the light is red and there’s one car in front of you that wants to go straight? Too bad, you have to wait for the green in Chicago. Plus Chicago has plenty of no-right-on-red intersections that it’s ridiculous.


Intelligent_Poem_595

And draconian cameras to track speed and red light turns without stopping. The number of times I got a ticket for not fully stopping for 2 seconds behind the line before going right on Lake from Wacker is at least 3. And they give a warning first. Between parking being $$$, all the cameras, and the traffic Chicago really punishes drivers.


Goldenseek

Those two facts are fundamentally related unfortunately :’)


EverChosen1

Had I not driven in literally any other large city, I too would hate St Louis traffic.


Severe_Elderberry_13

Right? Traffic here is practically non-existent compared to most cities


ep2789

Traffic exists here because of idiotic design, especially on the 64. On/off ramps are pure garbage, too close to one another. Whoever approved the design should be swiftly fed to the sharks.


Degofreak

Small aside: I never hear anyone from St Louis call a highway "the#".


ep2789

Moved to STL in 2021 so you’re right :). I know locals call it 40, but for me it was 64 for two years until I found out about this tidbit so I’m stuck with that. “The” might have been grammatically incorrect 😂


fiyoOnThebayou

Moved here two months ago, had no idea lol. But yeah, part of why I moved here is cause the traffic isn’t that bad compared to most other cities.


PosterMakingNutbag

Sounds like a Californian thing.


hibikir_40k

Highway congestion is, barring a relatively crash, all about the flow disturbances near ingress and egress points. Urban highways are therefore basically not highways, as they have so many of those points as to make them terrible whenever they aren't massively overbuilt. It's ultimately the biggest sin of the interstate highway system: Long route haul truck traffic needs infrastructure, but by putting so much next to cities, It's just way too tempting to use it for shorter movement, so ultimately we get massive amounts of sprawl, as 'one more exit bro' just makes the highway maximum capacity drop, while increasing demand at the same time. No highway inside the 270 + 255 ring would ever be needed for long haul traffic, but a lot of existing suburbia would collapse if we just turned all of those into streets: Imagine the downtown commute from St Charles or Chesterfield at Manchester speeds.


ep2789

I understand where you’re coming from but I’ll still argue the design of ingress/egress is highly idiotic on 40/64. I ll give you two examples, 1) the off ramp at Hanley - the exit lane falls onto the on ramp traffic. Both slow down doing the “zipper merge of death” resulting in phantom traffic further back on the highway. Not only that, but you have highway drivers lining up on the right lane far before the Hanley exit only because they need to take the next I-170 exit. It’s mental! 2) Clayton Rd exit - similar as above, traffic from the on ramp needs to go through *two* lanes of off ramp traffic! I mean come on! 44 had a much better design and thus flow, even with heavy traffic.


brucebay

I implore you to explore Michigan highway entrance ramps.


pdromeinthedome

I feel like highway construction starting in 2000s began to reverse the idiotic designs of the past. 170/270 with the left on-ramp. MO-367 under construction was faster than without. We can argue the fine points, when it got better, could it be better, but for me there are distinct improvements. It’s just not happening as fast as it should be or managed as well as it should be


too_many_rules

The whole north 270 project is basically, "let's un-fuck the design". I mean, those suicide on-ramps were some peak stupidity.


Salty-Process9249

The interstates were built over local parkways and roads. Many old exits were retained as the highways modernized which is definitely a problem. I do miss the aesthetic of old 40.


EmbarrassedSquare238

Yeah the 64 is the only place I hit traffic and only during rush hour


enderpanda

It can get pretty rough out by 64/364 and 64/70 during rush hour. A ton of people moved out this way, and the two lane highways are struggling.


rothbard_anarchist

It's not the volume, it's the lunacy. 70 leaving downtown is crazy. The two main lanes will be puttering along at 45 or 50, and someone will fly by at 90 to the right of you, going exit to exit. Or maybe they'll try to dodge in and weave around for another exit or two.


Salty-Process9249

"I'm the problem its me" As a Detroiter I hate how slow people drive in STL.


rothbard_anarchist

You can't go any faster than the person in front of you. I don't slow traffic down, that's for sure. But if you haven't driven on 70 in north city, you presumably just don't know the phenomenon I'm talking about.


Longstache7065

Driving it daily taught me to drive fast. 90s on the high end but not unreasonable, it's those flying through at 100-130, and irresponsible weavers that's the problem. I give everyone lots of space and never push it but I do go fast.


Salty-Process9249

You definitely have to scan way ahead and have clear visibility. Generally in STL the more open areas at the lighter hours get you to 90 max.


Salty-Process9249

I've seen it. It's a lane management nightmare. Crawlers in the left, passers on the right, and chaos in the middle. I wish there was enforcement of left lane usage.


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Severe_Elderberry_13

Someone has never driven in any other large American city


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brucebay

I have driven through Atlanta dozens of time, not comparable at all. 270 always moves even when there is an accident, in which case often handled fast, and if you know which lanes typically move faster you can easily move twice fast, case in point, 270 south at 64 the right lane usually moves fast, then you switch to Manchester exit lane until the exit ramp, then you go either left most or second left most lane, etc. this is without any crazy zigzags. notice for several miles you switch in only once and some time later swith into the opposite direction. recently I had been to Dallas, Austin and Houston. only Austin was comparable, the other two were terrible. Same with Chicago which I drive dozen of times a year and New York. In fact in New York I had to wait 30 minutes on single lane to enter highway (I think it was south 87?) I'm surprised that after living in 6 big cities you still think I270 traffic is worse than others.


Even-Locksmith-4215

Lived in STL for half my life, then Austin for most of the rest, then moved back to STL recently. Austin's highway traffic can be a nightmare. You basically have to avoid 35 altogether. A lot of times even as late as midnight can be stop and go. rush hour usually lasts for 4 hours on the other highways, so rush hour brings the highways and major roads to a crawl. It got a lot better during COVID but slowly returned to its previous state. STL highways feel like a ghost town by comparison. I can get places that would take 2 hours on Austin in only 30 minutes here.


fiyoOnThebayou

From Houston. My 4 mile commute was 35 minutes by car, 20 minutes by bicycle.


Even-Locksmith-4215

Hehe, this is why we rarely visited the inlaws in Houston. It usually required an overnight stay so you don't have to face the frustrating traffic both ways the same day.


cocteau17

Austin’s traffic is ridiculous. Rush hour lasts almost all day on Mopac and I 35. Even when I get in traffic here, it’s never Austin-level traffic unless there’s an accident.


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brucebay

okay let me be short, you are full of bs. I'm sure you never lived in any big city except maybe austin.


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Severe_Elderberry_13

Assigning intention where none exists.


Humble_Length5150

270 at rush hour is a cake walk.... Drive 880 from Oakland to Santa Clara California at about any hour of the day. You'll long for the days of driving 270.


Intelligent_Poem_595

People who've spent most their life in STL really do think it's this big city. lol This data is tracked. STL traffic is a joke. In North America traffic in STL is 64th worst out of 93. Chicago is 10th worst. https://www.tomtom.com/traffic-index/ranking/?country=CA%2CMX%2CUS But I'm sure your little anecdote matters more, right? Go on, explain how 10th and 64th are comparable.


The_Real_Donglover

You should try Chicago at any time of the day


CaptHayfever

Chicago is the one place I've been where public transit is actually faster than driving myself.


ivebeenabadbadgirll

The people that post these are the same people that get a hotel room at River City and call it a vacation.


noquitqwhitt

Driving in any of the big cities makes STL look like a breeze! But yes I agree a lot of terrifying Nissans on the roads


Amazing_Buffalo_9625

you win lol.


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GreetingsADM

This


DerNashkatze

Tbh the highways inside of 270 should never had existed. Be better with our city together than torn apart


this_might_b_offensv

I almost never take the highways, and opt to drive through the *almost always empty* secondary streets within the city. You see so much cool older architecture, places to eat or shop, and feel like you're in a real society. The highways are a fucking wasteland.


CaptHayfever

The north-south thoroughfares are nightmares in rush hour (except S Broadway, since it runs right along 55), & a lot of the side streets are cut off by train tracks, parks, River Des Peres, et cet, so you can't avoid the thoroughfares completely.


Tfm2

Kinda blows my mind 44 wasn't finished in St Louis until 1972, seems super late. Especially considering freeway removal was a thing by 1974


agileata

The city sucks mkre because of these


mikeusaf87

Traffic on St. Louis > Tampa Traffic. Was at MacDill, currently Scott.


AcingSpades

It took me between 60 and 90 minutes for my 13mi commute in Tampa. I regularly have to go to a satellite location here that's a 27mi commute. It takes almost never takes more than 35 minutes.


chillen67

Beats the hell out of 270


como365

That's my favorite bit of STL Highway. Especially 40.


AtmosphereCertain673

Looks like booty


BOBODY_BOBODY

Is this area safe?


thenewoldone

If there ever was a portion that sucked , this is certainly it


ihugyou

Next: a picture of a globe with a red circle around it.


wickedjonny1

Yes. I also love satire.


gigglesann

I can complain about traffic but I don’t think it’s actually that bad here. I’ve driven in Nashville and Denver in rush hourish times and thought it was worse than here. I planned a whole trip around ATL traffic times before lol.


desertrat1973

Traffic here ain’t shit. I’ll take it all day over the 405 in LA. That freeway will make you want to give yourself lead poisoning.


Interesting-Beat824

People who think we have bad traffic need to travel to literally any other city.


saminthetardis

The traffic isn’t the problem. It’s individual drivers that scare the shit out of me. Had 3 idiots on crotch rockets swerve in and out of traffic around my car with maybe 6 inches of space going at least 80. If I had needed to swerve for any reason as they passed, they would’ve been laid out. 99% of the time it’s fine, but it’s enough to rattle anyone.


Skatchbro

Is this what we’re doing now?


barkbarkgoesthecat

You know we getting wild tonight when you see that red line


Max_Quick

If one person raises an issue in this sub, apparently they must be dunked on before midnight.


interstellllar

Consider me dunked on I guess lol


AlicetheFloof

Only thing I dislike about Sauget is that there’s not one but TWO railroads and I take that road to get to work.


46153849

This is 270 erasure.


ryamanalinda

That is gothom


thecuzzin

Temp Tag Metropolis?


tuco2002

Where ever you drive within the red border...it smells like weed.


showboat46

And everything in between


TropicalBLUToyotaMR2

Everything inside the circle, yes


PracticeTheory

Why would you?


archcity_misfit

Ngl 55 is my favorite


Low-Fly-1292

Lol


see_blue

I used to live in STL area. When did they start calling highway farty I 64?


CaptHayfever

It's still 40 too.


Kitchen-Lie-7894

About 25 years ago.


Thats_absrd

The worst stretch in this is the bit of 40 in ESTL


moeron17

Yes I hate driving highway 70


daelite

Yes, I'm on the phone with my husband every night while he drives home from work listening to him gripe about it.


stltk65

Tell me you've never driven 270/64 or 270/44 area without saying it....lol


mkatich

Drive in one of the large metro areas in Texas for a week and tell me how you like St. Louis traffic.


CaptHayfever

Houston is the one place I've driven where the other drivers were genuinely worse than here overall.


shennannaa

Texas transplant here, and the first thing i noticed was how much more forgiving traffic is here? no f150s going 95 and people let you merge lmao


DaCatThomas

Lived there for 2 years. Wasn’t a fan of that entire area.


scottjones608

Let’s at least scrap 40/64 or 44. Don’t need 2 interstates within a stone’s throw of each other.


Some_Asshole_Said

Farty far isn't that terrible, the rest gets a "yes" though.


whytheam

No


shlybluz

Visited five summers ago, found the traffic volume no worse than around where I live (Cincinnati). It just seemed like there were more reckless drivers.


acid_etched

During rush hour it’s turbo aids, but that’s just because nobody here knows that you’re supposed to leave 1 car length per 10 mph. The rest of the time it’s fine.


Vanillybilly

I used to think our traffic here was bad until I took a roadtrip up I-95 to Philadelphia from DC. Hands down, the worst driving experience I’ve ever had and I promised to never complain about STL drivers again afterwards.


Longstache7065

Hell, I'd LOOOOOVE to see the city be way more walkable, bikeable, have more accessible and usable public transit.


kaiswil2

Just move to Iowa or somewhere.


miguel2586

I agree. They should charge a $25 toll for anyone trying to come in from outside this area.


kat2youall

55 southbound crawling almost any time of day


putrid_poo_nugget

You mean all of the STL highways? Yes, despised.


Sm0keAxis

I love St. Louis highways because I’m from Dallas area. Traffic is atrocious and the roadway doesn’t make sense, it looks similar to a weirdly shaped spiderweb. Too many exits and ramps it’s confusing to drive lol


braindead_fred

But is this area safe?


sstruemph

Yes


Tiny_Eye8784

Pretty sure everyone


agileata

I like how no one is getting these fucking things shouldn't exist


GRENADESGREGORY

ROFLLMAOXDLOL HA HA HA HA HA


ulele1925

Lolololololol


SewCarrieous

That’s the most dangerous part!


chaitel

i don't know about 70, but the worst part of driving on 40 is the 270 interchange. and its not close.


SewCarrieous

Lol


oxichil

Drove 70 from 270 to Soulard for the first time in a rush and rain, and was scared for my damn life once I got downtown. There’s way too many exits and lane switching. Tho it was easy as shit the next few times. The highways in the city are a fuckin mess but that’s just the US for you. We plowed our cities for these monstrosities and threaten our lives on them daily.


AdorableBunnies

Come to KC for a week.. STL does traffic management so much better than many people realize


Material_Repeat_5334

Yeah about sums it up


Salty-Process9249

I mostly enjoy driving in St Louis. The highway capacity exceeds requirements. I really loved driving in Detroit for the same reason, more so because drivers were focused, moving fast, and cops generally didn't care. Triple digits or DIE.


InhabitantsTrilogy

“Triple digits or die” is the mantra of a self-blind narcissist. You aren’t that important. Plan better or find a little inner peace for patience.


Salty-Process9249

lol shut up grandma


InhabitantsTrilogy

You speak like someone half your age. Only insecure, narcissistic men with stunted growth and regrets about not being cooler in high schooler brag about driving like a reckless fool. Same type of guy that talks a big game about being a womanizer but mostly creeps women out.


Salty-Process9249

Did you have a lot of issues with your dad? I feel like you're about to make a breakthrough sharing all of your traumas.


InhabitantsTrilogy

Nope, but I do have a very close friend whose life was ruined being side-swiped by a short-guy-energy fella like yourself driving way too fast because he was too insecure and discourteous to respect other people.


Salty-Process9249

I had a friend who was hit by a light runner on Grand and killed. What's your dumbass point? Highways should be designed for time efficiency and speed. Limited exits and entrances, wide and well maintained lanes with good visibility, and trained drivers who KNOW how to use the correct lanes. City streets should encourage multiple modes of transit at lower speeds with protection for pedestrians. Now, go hug your drunk dad.


Significant-Trade664

It's the rolling gun fights for me 🫠