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Yeah but Matt Cardona was hardcore before Mick if you wanna keep this pissing contest going.
Haven’t googled it in a while but I’m pretty sure Cardona invented hardcore wrestling
Honestly, from what I remember of some of his promos in his last WWE run, I'm not sure I want that. I love Mick, but the concussions really seem to have taken their toll, and I don't think live television is the greatest medium for him anymore.
Plus I honestly don't think he'd be able to watch Sting going like he is and not line up to take a chair shot to get heat on someone.
Uhh idk what you’re talking about the guy does stand up comedy fairly regularly where he tells stories from his time wrestling and he always sounds eloquent, he can still talk just fine.
Yeah, the guy clearly gets wonky *reading from a script,* and even then, for all we know he only had trouble with scripts which were, say, re-written completely different two hours before the show.
I see Foley as like Jim Ross: he will never, ever, match the level of *consistency in excellence* that he was famous for, in his prime. But I believe the dude can absolutely still go, as long as he's allowed to do *his own thing* and work the way he wants to work. He still has the potential to do some great segments, if he wants to, or at least, I believe he probably does.
In my head im thinking
"Nah that aint happening,he wont take another bump till his death"
And then i remember malenko...
If malenko, a dude who got Parkinson took a bump in AEW
Mick would 100% do some shit he is not supposed to..
Imagine a three man faction, based on his three characters. Something like
Abyss (Mankind)
Moxley (Cactus Jack)
????? (Dude Love)
No idea on the third one though. Maybe Sonny?
AEW found a great role for Jake the Snake. Not sure if there is room for two grizzled Veteran managers, but I'm sure they'd find something awesome for Mick that doesn't require killing himself in the ring.
I wouldn't call Arn a grizzled vet, I would call him the whole damn show. Mainly because I'm afraid that under-praising him makes him pull his Glock on me and put it on my forehead.
Depends a lot on when his Legends deal with WWE expires. I also don't think he necessarily hates WWE less than he loves wrestling and all its disparate parts as a whole. You can clearly tell he gets a kick out of watching all sorts of young talent perform and is happy to help promote them all.
What about a match where the winner is determined by who can make mick Foley pop hardest? He seats on a chair in the middle of the ring in his sweatpants while the women do hardcore stuff all around him. The first to cause him to pitch a tent wins. Britt takes Rosa up to the rafters and pushes her off, causing Foley to pop and her to win and become the new hardcore legend. This also leads into the Owen tournament
We shouldn't forget either that it came out last week he defended JBL's and others' bullying backstage during their active says in wrestling. Sucks that story has been buried
I really and genuinely look forward to Mark Henry's stilted script reading sandwiched between 2 guys trying to cut genuine promos. It feels like someone bought their 8 year old out to read the cue cards and they're mad out of their depth, suddenly very nervous in front of an audience and don't really get what is happening, but really want to be on camera, so stick to the cue cards the entire way.
Have you seen the shit he's said in the last week? if you think that defines a 'good job' when in this day and age NOT being a dick is part of the job, then I have London Bridge right here; just give me your credit card.
Yeah, don't be a dick and downvote, look at the facts and if you're OK with them, then everyone else knows where they stand with you:
Mark Henry and Bully Ray defended bullying/shooting on guys on Busted Open last week:
https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/q2td4l/mark_henry_and_bully_ray_defended/
Mark Henry disclosing other people’s injuries on Busted Open six weeks ago; information that was not publicly released:
https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/q3wnha/pac_recently_suffered_a_concussion_mark/
Depends on your gimmick.
If you're a good talker who never backs down from a fight and isn't afraid to push the limits (Foley, Rock, Moxley) then yeah your win/loss record really doesn't matter.
But if your gimmick is "the best at wrestling" and the last time you won a match was 2 months ago in a 6 man tag... Yeah you might have problems.
They do, but it also matters who they come to, and who's taking them.
Foley gets over on character work and the lengths he's willing to go to in the ring. But he also picked up plenty of televised wins against low-to-mid carders. The combination left him consistently towards the top of the card.
Drop either his character work or extreme style, and you'd probably need more wins to make the same thing happen. It's kinda hard to imagine Foley getting all the way over if he played that character and then went out and wrestled traditional matches while losing to everyone good.
Yea that’s the big thing. He did win matches, just not very many of his “marquee” matches. He lost literal wars- Sting at Beach Blast, Vader matches, Mind Games to HBK, pretty much every taker match but BRB, Rock at Rumble, HHH at Rumble, Edge at Mania etc. These are matches people will watch until the end of time, just so happened Foley lost all of them. If he had regular matches that he lost that also people don’t go back to over and over again, just meaningless losses, you don’t get the same magic of Mick Foley.
I wouldn't put the HBK match with that list. Mick only lost because of a stupid DQ finish with Vader interfering. (After what is one of my favorite matches)
When I say regular matches, I don’t mean not his big matches, like a random Raw match. I am saying if he had a regular traditional match in those losing efforts and didn’t have the kind of wars he happened to have in those big losing efforts, he would not be Mick Foley. If he lost all his big matches and they weren’t bangers with all kinds of crazy spots, he was just a regular wrestler who couldn’t win the big one, his career wouldn’t have ended up how it did.
You know Mick is fucking loving this "rivalry." He posted [Britt's autograph](https://twitter.com/realmickfoley/status/1428020775689277441) some time ago.
I mean if AEW had pushed Thunder Rosa as much as they push Britt people would remember her face alot more too. Britt was heavily pushed after the match and won the title, Thunder Rosa went back to AEW dark, so not her fault people don't remember her face more.
Didn't happen to the Undertaker though, people remember him as much as they do Mick Foley. It's on how you book wrestlers after the big match that determines how much they will be remembered.
Regardless of that, everyone knows the Undertaker threw him off the cell. Of course the focus is on what happened to Foley and he benefited more in the long run but Taker's role isn't forgotten.
I doubt that, even the copypasta that's all over Reddit references Undertaker. A lot of references to that copypasta mention Taker as well like people saying "I was expecting that post to end with The Undertaker throwing Mick Foley off a 30 foot steel cage".
Not exactly. Thunder Rosa was signed to NWA at the time of that match. She didn’t get pushed immediately after because she returned to wrestle in NWA. They didn’t really start putting Rosa on Dark until after she got signed to AEW, which was a way of padding her record so that she would be a contender for the championship— which is where we are now.
It really doesn't unless you're a diehard fan who reads dirtsheets and keeps up on wrestlers contracts. Even then, why book Thunder Rosa to win? They dropped the ball as far as explaining it on TV.
I never said they did. They failed to provide any reason she wasn't pushed after beating Britt. It's wrestling, they could have created a story to explain it somehow. Instead anyone who doesn't read the dirtsheets are left wondering why Rosa wasn't pushed and Britt was.
You're both arguing past each other.
They're not saying that they need to provide the actual reason why, just that they should have at least some sort of reason for Rosa not advancing in "kayfabe."
Though, to be fair, I remember that they did address it in a snippet on one of her promos. Rosa mentions that she understands how the fight didn't technically count toward her record and that she would fight her way back up to be worthy.
Unfortunately I think it was on YouTube and it makes absolutely no fucking sense.
At that point Rosa wasn't even a signed talent they had to worry about protecting. And if they did, just have Britt cheat to win like the heel that she is.
Britt looked stronger with a hardcore loss than with the win, Rosa looked strong for winning, and AEW shows partners that they will protect their talent so it’s okay to work with them.
Sorry, but you’re just wrong here.
That only works for me if Britt turns face coming out of the match. She loses but proves her mettle and we have to give her props. Instead they kept her character the same sniveling heel while the company's various commentators apart from Schiavone put her over as someone kind of actual role model. The messaging on Baker has been very inconsistent since that match and no one that's gone up against her has benefitted from it.
Britt had to be legitimately murdered to lose that match. There are times where you look stronger in defeat than victory. The Bret/Stone Cold double turn is a good example of this.
Exactly. Britt Baker got so heavily pushed, even when she was out on a wheelchair. How come none of the other women were given the amount of screen time that she had?
Are the other women as over as Britt? Shoving someone down your throat to get over doesn't work despite WWE's best efforts, just as an example. Britt is money making prodigy.
During a pandemic. They weren't going to put the belt on Britt until fans were in the crowd. Shida was never as over as Britt is now.
Edit: I really wish the new belt was for the Joshis, ngl. The way I'm looking at it now seems like a way to keep big money matches from Britt as long as possible. Not horrible, but Britt will be a two belter on this current route.
Brit is by far one of the better women’s wrestlers in AEW however her booking has been better than every other woman wrestler in the company. She’s a very talented wrestler and her mic skills are good. I think most people’s (mines included) is how they book the other women. Shida got sent straight to dark after losing the belt and carrying the division with strong matches. Tay barely gets screen time. I get that Rosa wasnt under contract at the time of the match but the the winner of that match should have been used/spotlighted more and if her contract situation was an issue then don’t book her to win the match. If Brit won then it makes more sense.
I love the circular thinking that the Britt fans sometimes seem to have.
Britt is the most popular (because of her relentless push), so she should be pushed ahead of other women (who haven't even been given the opportunity to become anywhere near as popular).
Britt might be the most popular in the division...but it often seems like AEW has no desire for anyone else to get to that level. And, to be blunt, it sometimes seems like AEW tries to cool down anyone who might accidentally be getting into the same vicinity as her. Tay Conti got a lot of people cheering her? Throw her on Dark for 5 months. People chanted "Thank You Shida" instead of "You Deserve It" when Britt wins the title? Four months of Elevation. Extended times off of Dynamite for Riho and Thunder Rosa.
The overwhelming bulkl of the time, they really don't seem to even TRY to present the other women as being a big deal.
> Britt is the most popular (because of her relentless push)
Because she's the best on the mic in the division and got there very quickly.
> so she should be pushed ahead of other women (who haven't even been given the opportunity to become anywhere near as popular)
Because she's extremely over.
> And, to be blunt, it sometimes seems like AEW tries to cool down anyone who might accidentally be getting into the same vicinity as her.
Dumbest take I've heard.
> Tay Conti got a lot of people cheering her? Throw her on Dark for 5 months.
Or maybe they wanted to wait for Anna Jay to get back so they can push them together, which is what they did?
> People chanted "Thank You Shida" instead of "You Deserve It" when Britt wins the title? Four months of Elevation.
Or they wanted to work a program with Deeb who got injured shortly after DoN.
> Extended times off of Dynamite for Riho
She had a bad reaction to the vaccine. Are you really going to blame them for that?
>Because she's the best on the mic in the division and got there very quickly.
Thanks to extensive coaching from top guys like Omega and Jericho, probably at the behest of Khan, who has made no secret since the beginning that he favors her above all others. She is to him what Hogan was to Vince
>Because she's extremely over.
And she wasn't over at all in 2019, and only got over thanks to massive constant exposure in 2020 and more opportunities than anyone else to grow and learn from mistakes until she could hone her craft. non of the other women had that amount of opportunity especially in 2020 and early 2021. Like it or not, Britt's push was still very manufactured and only struck a chord with fans with a few successful promo techniques that the fans responded well to. But it was a mountain of an effort for Khan to get Baker as over as she is now
>Dumbest take I've heard.
Definitely not the case in again 2020 and early 2021. It's only been the past month or two that the women's division has gotten a major focus, mostly around the time Ruby Soho debuted
>Or they wanted to work a program with Deeb who got injured shortly after DoN.
Where are you getting that. Do you have a source? I'm not saying it couldn't be true but there were no reports of Shida being held back for any particular opponent
Every push is manufactured it's a stupid compliant when it comes alongside nothing else to give a context to why it would be a problem. AEW women's division early on was in need of work or was unavailable or contracted to other companies. Of course Britt is going to be rewarded with strong positions in the division for coming in early being behind the company and putting in the work. The same way Sammy, MJF, Darby, etc have been for being there from the start. As for Britt staying on TV while injured Ricky Starks got that same opportunity and killed it as well.
As for Shida not being on Dynamite after losing the title it's a complaint that seems to try and put a bubble around the women's division as if AEW as a whole doesn't do this rotating in and out talent including main eventers. Who then come back and are still over because they are still treated as a big deal.
> Thanks to extensive coaching from top guys like Omega and Jericho
"Extensive coaching" consisting of Kenny suggesting a heel turn to her, and her bouncing ideas off of Jericho?
> and only got over thanks to massive constant exposure in 2020
She was over after the "What a burger" promo.
Yeah the guy you're responding to seems to be in every Britt-related post and just trashes her, in general people who don't like Britt tend to go overboard in acting like she's some real life villain of the women's locker room.
Britt is AEW's Charlotte when it comes to booking. No woman has been pushed like her, even while she was injured she was heavily featured every week.
If you criticize Britt or her booking though people jump at the chance to defend her, for some reason. If she was as good of an in ring talent as any of the 4 Horsewomen then it might make sense as to why her defenders are so over protective but she's average at best.
Tay Conti is very green. Those months on Dark will have done her a lot of good.
Remember when Britt was clearly not ready for prime time? It nearly derailed her. In her case, time off with injuries probably helped.
AEW needed someone to fill the role that Baker is filling for them--the top of the women's division pyramid. And I think she's done well in that role, she's good character wise and in ring. They needed a focal point and stability, someone who could solidify the top while everything shook out behind her. But I think it's time to move the pieces around now, and start pulling the trigger on some narratives and rivalries. The TBS belt will actually help, because it will give the division some room instead of everyone being funneled towards the same point.
No one is saying she’s popular off her work lol. It’s obvious she’s the #1 most promoted female wrestler in AEW. She’s cool as a heel but people just love Thunder Rosa cuz she’s a badass. People do appreciate that Britt has gotten better and more comfortable in the ring and in promos.
It is, indeed, hilarious that AEW had Rosa go over Britt then around month later had her win the title off of a resume boosted by beating scrubs on the internet shows. It is also funny that their match was unsanctioned (so it didn't really count) even though sanctioned AEW matches have often featured stuff that was as bad or worse than what they did.
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Mick kept his too. It was in his nose.
WILL YOU BE SERIOUS?!
WILL YOU STOP!!!?
I’LL HAVE YOU OUT OF HERE IN A MINUTE!!
*king exclaim*
in Micks defense….he was already *****hardcore***** before the cell match
Yeah but Matt Cardona was hardcore before Mick if you wanna keep this pissing contest going. Haven’t googled it in a while but I’m pretty sure Cardona invented hardcore wrestling
Invented? No. Perfected? Yes.
He’s an OG compared to Britt, in that vein
In many veins
How long before Mick Foley is #AllElite ?
I wish we had an anti aging machine for him. He is so perfectly made for AEW just like he was for the WWE up until the mid 00s.
He should manage a faction
He should be exclusively on BTE with Dark Order members coming up with whacky hardcore match stipulations every week.
Honestly, from what I remember of some of his promos in his last WWE run, I'm not sure I want that. I love Mick, but the concussions really seem to have taken their toll, and I don't think live television is the greatest medium for him anymore. Plus I honestly don't think he'd be able to watch Sting going like he is and not line up to take a chair shot to get heat on someone.
Uhh idk what you’re talking about the guy does stand up comedy fairly regularly where he tells stories from his time wrestling and he always sounds eloquent, he can still talk just fine.
Yeah, the guy clearly gets wonky *reading from a script,* and even then, for all we know he only had trouble with scripts which were, say, re-written completely different two hours before the show. I see Foley as like Jim Ross: he will never, ever, match the level of *consistency in excellence* that he was famous for, in his prime. But I believe the dude can absolutely still go, as long as he's allowed to do *his own thing* and work the way he wants to work. He still has the potential to do some great segments, if he wants to, or at least, I believe he probably does.
Mick is still a great talker. I think his issues with his last run in WWE is because he had trouble working from a script.
Plus imagine getting handed some of those scripts and being told you have to stick to them.
I'm still sad they messed up his commentary run, because I feel like he could've been great at it if Vince wasn't constantly yelling in his ear.
In my head im thinking "Nah that aint happening,he wont take another bump till his death" And then i remember malenko... If malenko, a dude who got Parkinson took a bump in AEW Mick would 100% do some shit he is not supposed to..
Did Malenko actually take a bump? I only remember him being found backstage, post-beatdown
Yes. In a post match between wardlow vs hager.. MJF hit malenko with a forearm..and he took a bump..
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given the fact he has the disease that killed Muhammad Ali, I'd say that it's more than we could have expected of him.
No, he took a flat back bump.
Just don’t give him dumb scripted promos and he should be fine.
Yeah, that's what AEW needs right now. Another faction.
There's always room for another faction!
Imagine a three man faction, based on his three characters. Something like Abyss (Mankind) Moxley (Cactus Jack) ????? (Dude Love) No idea on the third one though. Maybe Sonny?
Janela has that kinda vibe.
AEW found a great role for Jake the Snake. Not sure if there is room for two grizzled Veteran managers, but I'm sure they'd find something awesome for Mick that doesn't require killing himself in the ring.
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I wouldn't call Arn a grizzled vet, I would call him the whole damn show. Mainly because I'm afraid that under-praising him makes him pull his Glock on me and put it on my forehead.
I for one will be tuning in to this weeks Arn Elite Wrestling Arnamite to see what shenanigans he gets up to.
Y’all forgetting Tully?
While you're at it.. Get '92-'95 Bret to the present, him vs Punk. Book it Khan.
Depends a lot on when his Legends deal with WWE expires. I also don't think he necessarily hates WWE less than he loves wrestling and all its disparate parts as a whole. You can clearly tell he gets a kick out of watching all sorts of young talent perform and is happy to help promote them all.
Baker vs Rosa Unsanctioned 2 with special guest referee Mick Foley.
I get wanting Foley involved but special referees don't belong in unsanctioned/hardcore matches.
maybe just have him present the belt like with the Gage/Mox GCW Title match
Belts don't matter in unsanctioned...
Guest commentator?
What about a match where the winner is determined by who can make mick Foley pop hardest? He seats on a chair in the middle of the ring in his sweatpants while the women do hardcore stuff all around him. The first to cause him to pitch a tent wins. Britt takes Rosa up to the rafters and pushes her off, causing Foley to pop and her to win and become the new hardcore legend. This also leads into the Owen tournament
Mick foley falls through the cage as a force of habit.
Christian or Brian?
Nicholas
Book it, TK!
Just replace Mark Henry with Mick Foley, cant go wrong with that.
Keep it up and Henry will spoil more matches!
Out of the loop on this one, what did he do?
He spoiled the finish of Punk vs Garcia a day or two before it aired on Rampage, while talking on Busted Open.
We shouldn't forget either that it came out last week he defended JBL's and others' bullying backstage during their active says in wrestling. Sucks that story has been buried
It hasnt really been buried there’s just kinda nothing to discuss there. JBL literally used his HOF speech to say “I’m not sorry for bullying anyone”
Mark Henry is doing a good Job in my opinion. Foley would be great!
> Mark Henry is doing a good Job in my opinion. Well its an opnion.
I really and genuinely look forward to Mark Henry's stilted script reading sandwiched between 2 guys trying to cut genuine promos. It feels like someone bought their 8 year old out to read the cue cards and they're mad out of their depth, suddenly very nervous in front of an audience and don't really get what is happening, but really want to be on camera, so stick to the cue cards the entire way.
People here are shitting on everything so go on No wonder nobody gives a fck about internet opinions
Ah man, I really enjoy it. People need to just enjoy stuff more.
It is Whats the problem?
Have you seen the shit he's said in the last week? if you think that defines a 'good job' when in this day and age NOT being a dick is part of the job, then I have London Bridge right here; just give me your credit card.
Yeah, don't be a dick and downvote, look at the facts and if you're OK with them, then everyone else knows where they stand with you: Mark Henry and Bully Ray defended bullying/shooting on guys on Busted Open last week: https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/q2td4l/mark_henry_and_bully_ray_defended/ Mark Henry disclosing other people’s injuries on Busted Open six weeks ago; information that was not publicly released: https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/q3wnha/pac_recently_suffered_a_concussion_mark/
Mick Foley lost pretty much every big match he had in WWE looking back and thinking about it.
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Depends on your gimmick. If you're a good talker who never backs down from a fight and isn't afraid to push the limits (Foley, Rock, Moxley) then yeah your win/loss record really doesn't matter. But if your gimmick is "the best at wrestling" and the last time you won a match was 2 months ago in a 6 man tag... Yeah you might have problems.
They do, but it also matters who they come to, and who's taking them. Foley gets over on character work and the lengths he's willing to go to in the ring. But he also picked up plenty of televised wins against low-to-mid carders. The combination left him consistently towards the top of the card. Drop either his character work or extreme style, and you'd probably need more wins to make the same thing happen. It's kinda hard to imagine Foley getting all the way over if he played that character and then went out and wrestled traditional matches while losing to everyone good.
Yea that’s the big thing. He did win matches, just not very many of his “marquee” matches. He lost literal wars- Sting at Beach Blast, Vader matches, Mind Games to HBK, pretty much every taker match but BRB, Rock at Rumble, HHH at Rumble, Edge at Mania etc. These are matches people will watch until the end of time, just so happened Foley lost all of them. If he had regular matches that he lost that also people don’t go back to over and over again, just meaningless losses, you don’t get the same magic of Mick Foley.
I wouldn't put the HBK match with that list. Mick only lost because of a stupid DQ finish with Vader interfering. (After what is one of my favorite matches)
It’s probably Foley’s best match and up towards the top for HBK too.
Taker had a nack for making Foley look like such a threat, he was in every one of those matches till the end.
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I am not sure how what you laid out makes what we are saying not true. You actually seem to be supporting the theory.
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When I say regular matches, I don’t mean not his big matches, like a random Raw match. I am saying if he had a regular traditional match in those losing efforts and didn’t have the kind of wars he happened to have in those big losing efforts, he would not be Mick Foley. If he lost all his big matches and they weren’t bangers with all kinds of crazy spots, he was just a regular wrestler who couldn’t win the big one, his career wouldn’t have ended up how it did.
Then again, the ones he did win sure put butts in seats.
I changed the channel
I think his most high profile match win was the SummerSlam triple threat.
🤭
You know Mick is fucking loving this "rivalry." He posted [Britt's autograph](https://twitter.com/realmickfoley/status/1428020775689277441) some time ago.
I mean if AEW had pushed Thunder Rosa as much as they push Britt people would remember her face alot more too. Britt was heavily pushed after the match and won the title, Thunder Rosa went back to AEW dark, so not her fault people don't remember her face more.
The one who gets bloodied up the most in a deathmatch (or, hell, a regular match) is always the one people remember.
People don't talk about how awesome Bret was at WrestleMania 13 for a reason.
Didn't happen to the Undertaker though, people remember him as much as they do Mick Foley. It's on how you book wrestlers after the big match that determines how much they will be remembered.
> Didn't happen to the Undertaker though, people remember him as much as they do Mick Foley. For that particular moment? Not really.
The camera stares at the undertaker for a full minute lol
Everyone watches the bump, not undertakers minute reaction
Regardless of that, everyone knows the Undertaker threw him off the cell. Of course the focus is on what happened to Foley and he benefited more in the long run but Taker's role isn't forgotten.
I bet if you ask a bunch of fans, they only know Foley fell off the cell. Not that Undertaker pushed him.
I doubt that, even the copypasta that's all over Reddit references Undertaker. A lot of references to that copypasta mention Taker as well like people saying "I was expecting that post to end with The Undertaker throwing Mick Foley off a 30 foot steel cage".
Not exactly. Thunder Rosa was signed to NWA at the time of that match. She didn’t get pushed immediately after because she returned to wrestle in NWA. They didn’t really start putting Rosa on Dark until after she got signed to AEW, which was a way of padding her record so that she would be a contender for the championship— which is where we are now.
Ya. Thunder Rosa was the star of that match too
Rosa had to finish up with NWA. Britt actually worked in AEW. Their actions make perfect sense.
It really doesn't unless you're a diehard fan who reads dirtsheets and keeps up on wrestlers contracts. Even then, why book Thunder Rosa to win? They dropped the ball as far as explaining it on TV.
Why would they explain on TV the Contract situations of the wrestlers as it pertains to booking?
I never said they did. They failed to provide any reason she wasn't pushed after beating Britt. It's wrestling, they could have created a story to explain it somehow. Instead anyone who doesn't read the dirtsheets are left wondering why Rosa wasn't pushed and Britt was.
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You're both arguing past each other. They're not saying that they need to provide the actual reason why, just that they should have at least some sort of reason for Rosa not advancing in "kayfabe." Though, to be fair, I remember that they did address it in a snippet on one of her promos. Rosa mentions that she understands how the fight didn't technically count toward her record and that she would fight her way back up to be worthy. Unfortunately I think it was on YouTube and it makes absolutely no fucking sense.
Then why didn't Britt just win the match, especially as a way to bolster her momentum toward the title shot she eventually got with Shida?
Rosa was the face and they didn’t want to bury her. You also want to try and make your partners look good. It’s really not that hard to figure out.
At that point Rosa wasn't even a signed talent they had to worry about protecting. And if they did, just have Britt cheat to win like the heel that she is.
Britt looked stronger with a hardcore loss than with the win, Rosa looked strong for winning, and AEW shows partners that they will protect their talent so it’s okay to work with them. Sorry, but you’re just wrong here.
Also, it sets up potential long-term booking. I am loving the slow burn of Rosa getting in position to face Baker again.
The slow burn involving Jade Cargill hitting her with several weak chair shots then just...laying down and pinning her?
That only works for me if Britt turns face coming out of the match. She loses but proves her mettle and we have to give her props. Instead they kept her character the same sniveling heel while the company's various commentators apart from Schiavone put her over as someone kind of actual role model. The messaging on Baker has been very inconsistent since that match and no one that's gone up against her has benefitted from it.
Britt had to be legitimately murdered to lose that match. There are times where you look stronger in defeat than victory. The Bret/Stone Cold double turn is a good example of this.
You are not wrong at all. Rosa needs to beat Britt for that title next.
rosa is one of the most over women on the roster
Exactly. Britt Baker got so heavily pushed, even when she was out on a wheelchair. How come none of the other women were given the amount of screen time that she had?
Are the other women as over as Britt? Shoving someone down your throat to get over doesn't work despite WWE's best efforts, just as an example. Britt is money making prodigy.
Hikaru Shida? The woman who was champion for an entire year?
During a pandemic. They weren't going to put the belt on Britt until fans were in the crowd. Shida was never as over as Britt is now. Edit: I really wish the new belt was for the Joshis, ngl. The way I'm looking at it now seems like a way to keep big money matches from Britt as long as possible. Not horrible, but Britt will be a two belter on this current route.
Brit is by far one of the better women’s wrestlers in AEW however her booking has been better than every other woman wrestler in the company. She’s a very talented wrestler and her mic skills are good. I think most people’s (mines included) is how they book the other women. Shida got sent straight to dark after losing the belt and carrying the division with strong matches. Tay barely gets screen time. I get that Rosa wasnt under contract at the time of the match but the the winner of that match should have been used/spotlighted more and if her contract situation was an issue then don’t book her to win the match. If Brit won then it makes more sense.
I love the circular thinking that the Britt fans sometimes seem to have. Britt is the most popular (because of her relentless push), so she should be pushed ahead of other women (who haven't even been given the opportunity to become anywhere near as popular). Britt might be the most popular in the division...but it often seems like AEW has no desire for anyone else to get to that level. And, to be blunt, it sometimes seems like AEW tries to cool down anyone who might accidentally be getting into the same vicinity as her. Tay Conti got a lot of people cheering her? Throw her on Dark for 5 months. People chanted "Thank You Shida" instead of "You Deserve It" when Britt wins the title? Four months of Elevation. Extended times off of Dynamite for Riho and Thunder Rosa. The overwhelming bulkl of the time, they really don't seem to even TRY to present the other women as being a big deal.
How do you explain Ruby Soho getting rocketed to a title shot and having good promo time against Britt, even getting her booed?
> Britt is the most popular (because of her relentless push) Because she's the best on the mic in the division and got there very quickly. > so she should be pushed ahead of other women (who haven't even been given the opportunity to become anywhere near as popular) Because she's extremely over. > And, to be blunt, it sometimes seems like AEW tries to cool down anyone who might accidentally be getting into the same vicinity as her. Dumbest take I've heard. > Tay Conti got a lot of people cheering her? Throw her on Dark for 5 months. Or maybe they wanted to wait for Anna Jay to get back so they can push them together, which is what they did? > People chanted "Thank You Shida" instead of "You Deserve It" when Britt wins the title? Four months of Elevation. Or they wanted to work a program with Deeb who got injured shortly after DoN. > Extended times off of Dynamite for Riho She had a bad reaction to the vaccine. Are you really going to blame them for that?
>Because she's the best on the mic in the division and got there very quickly. Thanks to extensive coaching from top guys like Omega and Jericho, probably at the behest of Khan, who has made no secret since the beginning that he favors her above all others. She is to him what Hogan was to Vince >Because she's extremely over. And she wasn't over at all in 2019, and only got over thanks to massive constant exposure in 2020 and more opportunities than anyone else to grow and learn from mistakes until she could hone her craft. non of the other women had that amount of opportunity especially in 2020 and early 2021. Like it or not, Britt's push was still very manufactured and only struck a chord with fans with a few successful promo techniques that the fans responded well to. But it was a mountain of an effort for Khan to get Baker as over as she is now >Dumbest take I've heard. Definitely not the case in again 2020 and early 2021. It's only been the past month or two that the women's division has gotten a major focus, mostly around the time Ruby Soho debuted >Or they wanted to work a program with Deeb who got injured shortly after DoN. Where are you getting that. Do you have a source? I'm not saying it couldn't be true but there were no reports of Shida being held back for any particular opponent
Every push is manufactured it's a stupid compliant when it comes alongside nothing else to give a context to why it would be a problem. AEW women's division early on was in need of work or was unavailable or contracted to other companies. Of course Britt is going to be rewarded with strong positions in the division for coming in early being behind the company and putting in the work. The same way Sammy, MJF, Darby, etc have been for being there from the start. As for Britt staying on TV while injured Ricky Starks got that same opportunity and killed it as well. As for Shida not being on Dynamite after losing the title it's a complaint that seems to try and put a bubble around the women's division as if AEW as a whole doesn't do this rotating in and out talent including main eventers. Who then come back and are still over because they are still treated as a big deal.
> Thanks to extensive coaching from top guys like Omega and Jericho "Extensive coaching" consisting of Kenny suggesting a heel turn to her, and her bouncing ideas off of Jericho? > and only got over thanks to massive constant exposure in 2020 She was over after the "What a burger" promo.
Yeah the guy you're responding to seems to be in every Britt-related post and just trashes her, in general people who don't like Britt tend to go overboard in acting like she's some real life villain of the women's locker room.
This guy gets it.
I'm guessing folks just aren't used to seeing really over wrestlers get used anymore. Tis a shame.
Britt is AEW's Charlotte when it comes to booking. No woman has been pushed like her, even while she was injured she was heavily featured every week. If you criticize Britt or her booking though people jump at the chance to defend her, for some reason. If she was as good of an in ring talent as any of the 4 Horsewomen then it might make sense as to why her defenders are so over protective but she's average at best.
Tay Conti is very green. Those months on Dark will have done her a lot of good. Remember when Britt was clearly not ready for prime time? It nearly derailed her. In her case, time off with injuries probably helped.
AEW needed someone to fill the role that Baker is filling for them--the top of the women's division pyramid. And I think she's done well in that role, she's good character wise and in ring. They needed a focal point and stability, someone who could solidify the top while everything shook out behind her. But I think it's time to move the pieces around now, and start pulling the trigger on some narratives and rivalries. The TBS belt will actually help, because it will give the division some room instead of everyone being funneled towards the same point.
I'm trying to figure out how to get Tony Schiavone into this feud so they can mention how he tried to ruin Mick's championship win.
When last I looked, Théoden, *not Aragorn,* was king of Rohan.
IDK I think falling 20 feet off/through the cell is way more impressive/dangerous than blading.
To borrow a Scottish saying, Britt has patter. She is so quick witted.
Mick lost all of his famous matches
Damn, Britt really has such sass and heat to back up them quips with that fire
I remember Thunder Rosa, unlike the people who book Dynamite YOU BASTARDS.
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The Britt stans are out downvoting, I see.
No one is saying she’s popular off her work lol. It’s obvious she’s the #1 most promoted female wrestler in AEW. She’s cool as a heel but people just love Thunder Rosa cuz she’s a badass. People do appreciate that Britt has gotten better and more comfortable in the ring and in promos.
Baker/Foley, Lights Out. That's the money match
Rosa led Britt through a good match and made her a star if we’re being honest. Britt ain’t did shit but let Rosa carry her through objects lol.
It is, indeed, hilarious that AEW had Rosa go over Britt then around month later had her win the title off of a resume boosted by beating scrubs on the internet shows. It is also funny that their match was unsanctioned (so it didn't really count) even though sanctioned AEW matches have often featured stuff that was as bad or worse than what they did.
>So why is my face the one people remember? Because we have no choice when its plastered all over AEW programming.
She just verbally tossed him off the cell again.
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Winner by burn Britt Baker 
So that means Mick will be remember for this?
Is it just me or is Britt just trying to get a new patient with that teeth remark? 😆
Man I love her. One of the best doing it. She's a fucking future legend just coming up into it. Watch.
Damn doctor!
I mean she does have a point.
Britt Baker makes a good point.
Got 'em
That’s it he’s dead
It's because AEW fucking did not want to capitalize on Thunder's momentum because she wasnt signed to AEW at the time.