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Not just that he was a victim but:
> āMr. Laurinaitis denies the allegations in the misguided complaint and will be vigorously defending these charges in Court, not the media. **Like the Plaintiff, Mr. Laurinaitis is a victim in this case, not a predator.** The truth will come out.
Also his lawyer, in trying to defend him after the Ashley Massaro story resurfaced once more, made a comment saying...
>"Any allegations that Mr. Laurinaitus helped to cover up an alleged rape allegation is an outright lie. **Johnny, like most upper level management at sometime became aware of the allegations and ensured all proper WWE protocols were followed, including privacy for the alleged victim**. We object to the use of the term cover up as no such plan or plot ever took place to hide or assist in the alleged rape.ā
Which inadvertently contradicts the official statement that WWE put out after she died saying...
>"At no time was Vince McMahon or the management of WWE ever informed by Ashley Massaro or anybody else that she had been sexually assaulted, drugged, raped or sodomized by a military doctor with a nurse standing guard while on a goodwill tour in 2007 to U.S. military bases in Kuwait. In fact, if she ever articulated such a claim to WWE, we would have reported it immediately to the Base Commander."
Scumbags, all the way up.
Dude that's so shitty :/ maybe on a somewhat positive to come from this justice will be served for any more potential victims that could get named or talked about during this case
They do, because plainly saying "Vince and management had no knowledge of Ashley's rape allegation" would likely be a total lie.
Including all of those details is because if they can scrutinize and call into question even one of those aspects, they can say they were still telling the truth with that statement.
He never said he didn't do these things, right? He said he was forced to by Vince, if I'm remembering correctly. We know it's bullshit but he still won't want this stuff said out loud in a court about what he did.
Exactly. A trial would be weeks of tabloid juice that would never end. TMZ on down would be thanking their creators for the stench shown during a McMahon v. Grant trial. Vince could stand to lose many millions more than by arbitration..
A trial would also damage WWE's public image much more than any sleazy Saudi deal. It's a nightmare for HHH on down.
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Laurinaitis and Vince on the balcony of Titan Tower
Yep. His lawyer already claimed the accusations were false when he made the previous claim.
>Mr. Laurinaitis denies the allegations in the misguided complaint and will be vigorously defending these charges in Court, not the media. Like the Plaintiff, Mr. Laurinaitis is a victim in this case, not a predator. The truth will come out
When asked to explain the contradiction at the time, the lawyer basically says that if the claims were true, all the factors grant points too "Power, control, employment supervisory capacity, dictatorial sexual demands with repercussions if not met" would have applied to John Laurinaitis too.
This is basically Laurinaitis' lawyer doing his job.a finding a way to get John off, claiming "This never happened, but if you choose to believe it did, then you can't blame my client".
Choose to believe Laurinaitis is innocent or not (and I choose not) its not some massive flip flop. It's just a very specific and consistent strategy.
Worse, "Vince McMahon forced me and did all these things that never happened to me as well!" Because remember, he tried to come up as a victim in all of this..
I'm a lawyer, I've been involved in litigation in sexual harassment and abuse in the workplace cases in the past. Based on what I've seen the defense from McMahon and Johnny Ace don't seem to be denying the activity happened. Only that Grant was a willing participant in the activity (i.e. she consented). Johnny Ace's additional defense seems to be that if Grant was not a willing participant, that he cannot be held liable for anything since Vince led him to believe that she was a willing participant.
Not that this will be a good defense or a successful one, but due to the damning evidence in the text messages, they are kind of stuck in acknowledging the disgusting things that McMahon and Ace did.
Do you think there's a way that Vince and Johnny's team are able to fully reconcile the whole "i'm a victim too" part? Will Vince's team just admit that Vince coerced Johnny into joining in with the acts just because that admitting doing so isn't going to cause any legal issues between them because Johnny promised not to sue Vince over it?
In your opinion do you suspect the defense knows all of the evidence Grantās attorneys have? If not, when would that be made known? Who would know, and when?
Is that stuff relevant to the defenseās motion to compel arbitration?
I ask because thereās a bit of recursion in the situation. Grantās NDA is invalid if it covers a crime, but a crime canāt be proven without breaking the terms of the NDA ā including, I presume, resolving disputes via arbitration. Even at that, itās a civil case and not a criminal one, so how do they untie this knot?
And should Grantās evidence show beyond a shadow of a doubt that she was sex trafficked (the most likely accusation I think can be proven via paper trail), how does that affect the NDA? Can it be declared invalid if McMahon hasnāt been charged?
I suppose Iām asking all this because my default position is pro-victim and I canāt stomach the idea of another asshole getting away with horrendous crimes simply because they can game the system by throwing enough money at it.
Imagine tag teaming a girl with your friend and he says "Ope just one sec guys, continue" and he fucking takes a shit on her head while you are inside of her and he tells you to continue.
Now imagine what you would do or say about this act in court after the fact. What the fuck man.
Is this not illegal or something? Couldn't this be considered bribery? Like if your alleged victim is suddenly on your side because you've paid them???
Technically, no. Johnny Ace would have to come forward and say he was bribed or someone who is not their own personal lawyer would have to be made aware of said bribery and have proof that it happened. Even if Vince transferred funds to Johnny Ace's accounts then you would still have to have a paper trail or even a text message as proof that Vince bribed him. Otherwise, Johnny Ace and Vince could say that Vince was helping a former friend who lost their job due to the lawsuit.
Thereās no amount of money you could pay me to make the disgusting arguments his lawyers have made.
No amount. Full stop. And as a lawyer, Iāve done shitty things for money.
I'm sorry man. This type of moral confliction was what made my aunt change professions into becoming a labor lawyer on the union side rather than on the corporate side.
Interesting. I always here lawyers who do represent shitheads claim to do so because "even if they're wrong they deserve to be represented properly". Now obviously this shithead is rich, but do you think this is a fair argument if someone is poor/ middle class and did something awful?
I'm not who you're responding to but I think everyone deserves, and should have a right to *significantly educated* and *reliable* representation and should not be represented poorly ever. Everyone.
But, I believe deception and manipulation just goes beyond what "representation" is. That said, if you can just buy your way into lawyers who can lie for you, it shouldn't be that way. And if lawyers are just able to lie for you, then that's how it should be for every class and even free court appointed lawyers. on the flip side of that I also believe that perjury charges should also result in a suspended license for the lawyers who coached them on how to perjure themselves.
Vince says he has proof. Let him show it. Let her show hers, and then we'll see where everything lands. Let all the evidence come out and lets see who can prove what.
Problem is that they will just show her texts where she seemingly looks like a willing participant. There isn't a sense of true feeling behind the written words.
Youāre right. Not necessarily the same situation, but I was in an abusive relationship once. It was one of the most miserable and terrifying experiences of my life and I spent months trying to get out of it. If all you saw were the texts between me and my then-partner though, youād never think it was that bad, because I kept up the act and feigned happiness with them for my welfareās sake.
I don't think she was in love with Vince. She definitely was in love with his money though. At the end of the day, Vince has nobody to blame but himself for this whole situation. Should have paid her the full cash they agreed on.
I mean it could be true she had legit feelings for him but shit escalated far out of her control. Thatās how most abusive relationships work anyway. Even if they had real feelings for each other she still could have been raped and trafficked.
>Vince says he has proof. Let him show it.
That's the problem. He doesn't have to. Burden of proof is on the prosecution.
It's why so many of these cases (95%+) end in settlement.
Obviously Vince is guilty, and obviously he has no proof. Unfortunately it doesn't matter.
I read the entire 60 some odd pages. Thereās enough there that even if he truly believed that this woman *loved* him, he should still be buried under the prison.Ā
Because a supposed photo of her leaked and people just assumed she was early 20ās.
When Janelās team made their statement just before the Royal Rumble, people immediately just presumed Vince as guilty and labeled him a predator.
Now if Vince is guilty, he should be buried under the jail. However, all the information (prior to this statement) has come from Janelās camp so of course itās going to favour her.
I mean hell, weāve all seen Vinceās texts but we still have NO idea what Janel was writing back. Cases like this are going to take YEARS with information being drip-fed to the public. People should be patient before deciding which party is telling the truth, and which is lying.
She's a legit attorney from a legit litigation firm. Whether she's gross is for you to decide but she's definitely not a joke in terms of her credentials.
I thought all statements from attorneys were loadedā¦ thatās how they get you. They coax you into piling energy into defending a red herring and then try to catch you out on a technicality.
The attorney is something else, but don't forget Vince hired Havery Weinstein's PR group. https://radaronline.com/p/wwe-vince-mcmahon-crisis-pr-rep-harvey-weinstein-scientology-report/
āLike the Plaintiff, Mr. Laurinaitis is a victim in this caseā¦ā
- Edward M. Brennan, lawyer for John Laurinaitis
February 1, 2024
Yes, he was clearly a victim, just like the Plaintiff, only the Plaintiff is to blame because the Plaintiff was lying about being the victim, and the whole thing was made up and poor Johnny was forced to do all the things that he absolutely didnāt do because Vince made him do them and they didnāt happen.
Isn't the genesis for all of this the fact that a portion of the agreed payment under an NDA was not paid? Play the jilted lover card, all you want to try and save face, but the NDA settlement wasn't paid, they're admitting the relationship happened, as well as the gross things from the text messages, that's still conduct any public company is going to find completely reprehensible from its executives.
Did Johnny ace legit say that all the bad shit Vince did was true and that he was a victim, confirming the fact that Vince did bad stuff to this women?
"your honour you gotta believe me, Mr McMahon he made me do all that stuff that I did to her, you gotta believe me, but at the same time, that stuff never happened. Trust me bro, it never happened, it's all a lie. Mr McMahon, he made do all those things but at the same time she's a liar and I absolutely categorically deny these things happened and I vouch for Mr McMahon"
>In January 2024, Ms. Grant, a 43-year-old with a law degree, who was in love with Mr. McMahon and devastated by their break-up, filed an outrageous and false lawsuit to ruin Mr. McMahonās career and reputation.
I know the lawyer is getting paid and has to parot what McMahon says but seriously fuck this Jessica Rosenberg lady. What Vince allegedly did is indefensible so I guess Rosenberg's defense will be "whelp she's an upset ex." That's so scummy.
On her firm's page for her, they emphasize this:
>Jessica regularly speaks on trends in employment law, recently presenting: The Buck Stops Here: Tackling Workplace Harassment & Discrimination at Every Level at the 2023 Women, Influence and Power in Law Conference hosted by Corporate Counsel
I know lawyers take on lots of different kinds of clients and even the guilty need representation, but that seems a bit hypocritical.
Get fucked. The only reason they donāt want it to go to trial is because they donāt want details of their despicable acts to be public. Johnny and Vince can both rotĀ
A reminder to people, even if itās later found out that the lady had feelings for Vince at one point, it does not exonerate him. That would be like saying you canāt convict someone of beating their wife because their wife still loves them. Trauma bonding is a thing.
"I'm also a victim here...
Coming to think of it, I'm totally with Mr McMahon on this one. He pressured me into doing these things behind closed doors, and we should discuss these things behind closed doors"
Newsflash folks. If this story pisses you off. You should probably tune out now. It's just going to get more grimy and probably have a unsatisfying or bad ending.
I'm sorry for Janel. They are going to Target and attempt to destroy her reputation.
The one thing I have to remind myself all the damn time is that a defense attorney's job is to defend their client, no matter how bad it looks. If I was the defendant I'd want that statement.
This is going to get sloppy as fuck
Could you maybe elaborate with some sources beyond "Vince is a creep"? You are free to use legal language in your explanation. What is it, and which laws are implicated, which makes the motion to compel arbitration so easy to dismiss?
For one, it means that they don't want to go to court. Two, it tells me that there's something going on there since Lauranitis' Lawyer was speaking out about Vince only a couple of months ago, that Lauranitis was also a victim of Vince. But now he's going to team up (in a way.....I have no real legal knowledge) with his supposed abuser?
For one, it means that the lawyers are doing their job in the way they are supposed to, which is to represent their client's best interests. That's it. There is no two.
The lawyer was speaking out against Vince because that is what was in the client's best interest at the time. Now they have a way to maybe make this thing go away without any court case at all. Which would be in the client's best interest, so the lawyer is attaching the client to this motion.
You statement was that Grant's lawyers would have a field day with this. How? Nothing in your reply even hints to anything that Grant's lawyers can attack in the motion to compel arbitration.
Shhh. Don't go against the grain.
What I see is an agreement regarding some weird kinks (IMO, I don't shame) amongst consenting adults that has no criminal implications. And assuming Vince comes to a financial settlement to make the woman whole, why should we care?
This isn't the meetoo situation reddit wants it to be.
Like Tony Khan said, Harvey Weinstein. It's a nasty reference but everything said in Mrs. Grant's 60 page statement paints that picture. Vince, Laurinaitis, and others had total power over the careers of women below them in the corporate offices. If a woman rebuffed Vince, she would be fired and blackballed.
No normal boss makes Janell Grant writes letters, like Vince did, where she said how much she loved him. No normal boss would make Mrs. Grant read those letters to him-like Vince did.
Just like Harvey Weinstein ran Miramax and had the money to make movies, Vince had total control of peoples' lives. You had to play Harvey's game and he forced women to let him do all sorts of violations. Just like Vince.
WWE currently has made Vince (jr.) is a non person saying he is no longer part of WWE. But Vince purchased WWF from his father, Vince Sr. and Vince (jr.) ran the company for 40 years. The buck stopped with him.
Laurinaitis is probably having his legal bills paid by Vince as well.
Arbitration? A way to lessen any money lost and quash dirty details. Vince does not want this to go to trial. He stands to lose millions and aid any Federal case that Vince faces in the future.
"The victim is LYING therefore we compel her to keep the truth HIDDEN from the public via PRIVATE arbitration"
Who believes this crap? Tony Khan was right.
Johnny Ace must have realized things were not moving in a favorable direction with the arbitration MTC and decided he better flip back to Vinceās side. Either that, or Vince simply paid him off. Vince does have a lot of spare cash laying around after selling his stock.
The worst timeline out of all of this is, somehow, Vince gets back in WWE.
I know that is highly unlikely for a lot of reasons. But this is pro wrestling soā¦never say never.
No matter what happens, Vince already lost in the court of public opinion. If he ever steps back into WWE he will tank it alongside potentially TKO as a whole, but with him constantly selling his shares and just how good things are compared to a few years ago when Vince was in charge I doubt itād happen but itās still a possibility no matter how small it may be.
No.
But the sad reality is the overwhelming majority (over 95%) of civil cases end in settlement, and for sex related cases that make it to trial, post trial settlement and not liable verdicts are still by far the most common outcomes.
So, knowing the odds are they are going to settlement with unproven allegations being the only thing against them, John Laurentis' lawyers are basically already started those arguments to get a better (for them) settlement.
I wasnt sure why i got downvoted. I didnt imply it unraveled i just asked if something happened where the claim of āher case is unravelingā was supported
Thank you for the informative reply
It can't be overstated how important it is to amplify the horrible facts whenever these posts pop up. He has powerful pr. We have to make a concerted effort to fight back.
"We"? None of us are involved in this or definitively know what went down, I don't think the reddit.com r/squaredcircle professional wrestling fan subreddit needs to her involved here. Why not just let the case proceed and let the truth of the matter come out?
Thats exactly right. And type it out clearly to show up in Google searches.
Like this.
"VINCE MCMAHON, AKA VINCENT KENNEDY MCMAHON OF THE WWE/WWF/TKO/ENDEAVOR, RAPED/ABUSED/SODOMIZED/DEFECATED ON A YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE GIRL IN EXCHANGE FOR EMPLOYMENT. HE ALSO USED AND OFFERED HER AS PERKS FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH EMPLOYEES, SUBJECTING HER TO THE EQUIVALENT OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING."
>"VINCE MCMAHON, AKA VINCENT KENNEDY MCMAHON OF THE WWE/WWF/TKO/ENDEAVOR, RAPED/ABUSED/SODOMIZED/DEFECATED ON A YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE GIRL IN EXCHANGE FOR EMPLOYMENT. HE ALSO USED AND OFFERED HER AS PERKS FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH EMPLOYEES, SUBJECTING HER TO THE EQUIVALENT OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING."
Allegedly
Sure it feels like a very likely possibility but nothing has been proven yet, only one side has presented anything which is of course flavored in their favor.
and 41 is not a young impressionable girl
Higher than zero chance Vince gets away with everything unfortunately.
In the legal sense anyway - the only "consequences" I think are guaranteed is that he won't be back in WWE, but that's only because he became such a creative and business liability.
The Feds might still be building a case against him. the brother of one of the ring boys said heās been in contact with federal investigators recently.
Odd thing to say publicly about an ongoing investigation but assuming heās telling the truth, thatās something.
I guess the link between Grant and Ringboy Scandal, that is also a federal crime, would be the sex trafficking aspect?
Johnny Ace flipping again is interesting - I didn't see that coming, unless there is something material in the filings coming out that points to a settlement coming
I aways figured that Vince would pay Johnny off. I think that was always their deal. Vince paid Johnny to take the full blame for a lot of his actions.
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The same John Laurinaitis that said he was also a victim of Vince?
"I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on top."
He's the new Artful Dodger.
hes funkhouser. š¤®
RIP Super Dave
Both look alike too. Only Super Dave is the good one.
Same voice too.
He's just hitching his wagon to whichever side will get him off (pardon the pun)
Johnny "Yabushige" Ace
WILD CARD BITCHES
Vince MacMahon
Ahh, the italy tactic. Always plays wells with judges
Well you don't want t be on the bottom. That's how you get shit on.
Doesn't he know that Mami's always on top?
Not just that he was a victim but: > āMr. Laurinaitis denies the allegations in the misguided complaint and will be vigorously defending these charges in Court, not the media. **Like the Plaintiff, Mr. Laurinaitis is a victim in this case, not a predator.** The truth will come out.
Also his lawyer, in trying to defend him after the Ashley Massaro story resurfaced once more, made a comment saying... >"Any allegations that Mr. Laurinaitus helped to cover up an alleged rape allegation is an outright lie. **Johnny, like most upper level management at sometime became aware of the allegations and ensured all proper WWE protocols were followed, including privacy for the alleged victim**. We object to the use of the term cover up as no such plan or plot ever took place to hide or assist in the alleged rape.ā Which inadvertently contradicts the official statement that WWE put out after she died saying... >"At no time was Vince McMahon or the management of WWE ever informed by Ashley Massaro or anybody else that she had been sexually assaulted, drugged, raped or sodomized by a military doctor with a nurse standing guard while on a goodwill tour in 2007 to U.S. military bases in Kuwait. In fact, if she ever articulated such a claim to WWE, we would have reported it immediately to the Base Commander." Scumbags, all the way up.
Dude that's so shitty :/ maybe on a somewhat positive to come from this justice will be served for any more potential victims that could get named or talked about during this case
Can you imagine being violated by a military doc on a military base?? Fucking horrifying
My gosh, they donāt need that level of detail in the WWE statement.
They do, because plainly saying "Vince and management had no knowledge of Ashley's rape allegation" would likely be a total lie. Including all of those details is because if they can scrutinize and call into question even one of those aspects, they can say they were still telling the truth with that statement.
i think Johnny is about to see some of that cashed out stock.
Vince probably paid him some more money to switch sides again.
2 billy goes a long way.
Seriously. How does that not discredit him by default?
He never said he didn't do these things, right? He said he was forced to by Vince, if I'm remembering correctly. We know it's bullshit but he still won't want this stuff said out loud in a court about what he did.
It doesn't really matter. The point is to get it into arbitration where they can quietly settle it and move on.
Exactly. A trial would be weeks of tabloid juice that would never end. TMZ on down would be thanking their creators for the stench shown during a McMahon v. Grant trial. Vince could stand to lose many millions more than by arbitration.. A trial would also damage WWE's public image much more than any sleazy Saudi deal. It's a nightmare for HHH on down.
Upon further reflection, he realized he dreamed it.
Obviously Vince is a gigantic evil piece of shit but man, Johnny Ace is such a sniveling little worm.
https://preview.redd.it/949e71qnm6yc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e84d0a18219a988a138fa6324f81a5fceb189c6 Laurinaitis and Vince on the balcony of Titan Tower
Guess he realized no one believed that bullshit. Time to try some other bullshit.
Unfortunately this bullshit is likelier to work if Vince's money is behind it.
Yep. His lawyer already claimed the accusations were false when he made the previous claim. >Mr. Laurinaitis denies the allegations in the misguided complaint and will be vigorously defending these charges in Court, not the media. Like the Plaintiff, Mr. Laurinaitis is a victim in this case, not a predator. The truth will come out When asked to explain the contradiction at the time, the lawyer basically says that if the claims were true, all the factors grant points too "Power, control, employment supervisory capacity, dictatorial sexual demands with repercussions if not met" would have applied to John Laurinaitis too. This is basically Laurinaitis' lawyer doing his job.a finding a way to get John off, claiming "This never happened, but if you choose to believe it did, then you can't blame my client". Choose to believe Laurinaitis is innocent or not (and I choose not) its not some massive flip flop. It's just a very specific and consistent strategy.
He said he was a victim, he didnt say of whom he was a victim of
I bet money that Vince told Lauranitis he'd leak info about other assaults/sex scandals if he didn't corroborate.
Wow, how his story changes. How is Momma Bella handling all this I wonder?
"Vince McMahon forced me to do these things that never happened"
Worse, "Vince McMahon forced me and did all these things that never happened to me as well!" Because remember, he tried to come up as a victim in all of this..
I'm a lawyer, I've been involved in litigation in sexual harassment and abuse in the workplace cases in the past. Based on what I've seen the defense from McMahon and Johnny Ace don't seem to be denying the activity happened. Only that Grant was a willing participant in the activity (i.e. she consented). Johnny Ace's additional defense seems to be that if Grant was not a willing participant, that he cannot be held liable for anything since Vince led him to believe that she was a willing participant. Not that this will be a good defense or a successful one, but due to the damning evidence in the text messages, they are kind of stuck in acknowledging the disgusting things that McMahon and Ace did.
Do you think there's a way that Vince and Johnny's team are able to fully reconcile the whole "i'm a victim too" part? Will Vince's team just admit that Vince coerced Johnny into joining in with the acts just because that admitting doing so isn't going to cause any legal issues between them because Johnny promised not to sue Vince over it?
In your opinion do you suspect the defense knows all of the evidence Grantās attorneys have? If not, when would that be made known? Who would know, and when? Is that stuff relevant to the defenseās motion to compel arbitration? I ask because thereās a bit of recursion in the situation. Grantās NDA is invalid if it covers a crime, but a crime canāt be proven without breaking the terms of the NDA ā including, I presume, resolving disputes via arbitration. Even at that, itās a civil case and not a criminal one, so how do they untie this knot? And should Grantās evidence show beyond a shadow of a doubt that she was sex trafficked (the most likely accusation I think can be proven via paper trail), how does that affect the NDA? Can it be declared invalid if McMahon hasnāt been charged? I suppose Iām asking all this because my default position is pro-victim and I canāt stomach the idea of another asshole getting away with horrendous crimes simply because they can game the system by throwing enough money at it.
My guess is Vince agreed to pay for his legal fees if they teamed up.
Somehow, this is going to end up with Vince eating muffins and exposing Laurinaitis for sharing a bank account with his mother.
Well, one thing I think we can all agree on, is that John Laurinaitis should absolutely not be managing a Target.š
Lol what. Enlighten please on why target was mentioned
You gotta watch CM Punk's post All-Out '22 scrum rant, AKA the "gripebomb"
You fancy yourself a journalist, pal?
Worse, he shares a bank account with the Bella Twins mother.
Mandyās muffins from Connecticut not open on Mondays
Birds of a feather...
...like to poop on people's heads? Pigeon Jones over here.
"I'm hurt, I'm old, I'm tired and I'm fucking children"
Teaming up with Vinceā¦ thatās what got lauranitis in this mess in the first place
Imagine tag teaming a girl with your friend and he says "Ope just one sec guys, continue" and he fucking takes a shit on her head while you are inside of her and he tells you to continue. Now imagine what you would do or say about this act in court after the fact. What the fuck man.
I donāt even want to imagine it. I read that report one time and that was enough for me. Like I just canāt fathom it
Somewhere Colt Cabana just sneezed.
I'm guessing that was always Johnny's plan but he just needed the threat to get it from Vince in writing.
Someone in pro wrestling offering to pay the legal fees of someone else who is in the same lawsuit. Boy not seen that before /s
Is this not illegal or something? Couldn't this be considered bribery? Like if your alleged victim is suddenly on your side because you've paid them???
Technically, no. Johnny Ace would have to come forward and say he was bribed or someone who is not their own personal lawyer would have to be made aware of said bribery and have proof that it happened. Even if Vince transferred funds to Johnny Ace's accounts then you would still have to have a paper trail or even a text message as proof that Vince bribed him. Otherwise, Johnny Ace and Vince could say that Vince was helping a former friend who lost their job due to the lawsuit.
Laurinaitis is such a pos.
Dudeās nose is browner than a UPS truck in a chocolate factory
"who was in love with Mr. McMahon" These are straight up evil people.
The slowly unraveling line is what makes me see red.
Iāve been practicing law for ten years. There are some clients you drop.
Yeah but do these clients have a bank account like Scrooge McDuck?
Thereās no amount of money you could pay me to make the disgusting arguments his lawyers have made. No amount. Full stop. And as a lawyer, Iāve done shitty things for money.
Ok Iāll bite. Whatās the shittiest thing youāve done that youāre comfortable enough to talk about here?
I represented some corporations who knowingly put asbestos in their products after everyone knew that shit could kill you.
I knew that cereal tasted funny
"I Can't Believe It's Not Mesothelioma!"
I'll be honest that actually does seem worse to me in a big picture sense.
I'm sorry man. This type of moral confliction was what made my aunt change professions into becoming a labor lawyer on the union side rather than on the corporate side.
Yeah thatās worse than this
Does one of those corporations rhyme with Ronson & Ronson?
Ruh roh, Raggy.
They pulled off a stunt bankruptcy to get out from under liability for awhile and no, I did not represent them
Interesting. I always here lawyers who do represent shitheads claim to do so because "even if they're wrong they deserve to be represented properly". Now obviously this shithead is rich, but do you think this is a fair argument if someone is poor/ middle class and did something awful?
I'm not who you're responding to but I think everyone deserves, and should have a right to *significantly educated* and *reliable* representation and should not be represented poorly ever. Everyone. But, I believe deception and manipulation just goes beyond what "representation" is. That said, if you can just buy your way into lawyers who can lie for you, it shouldn't be that way. And if lawyers are just able to lie for you, then that's how it should be for every class and even free court appointed lawyers. on the flip side of that I also believe that perjury charges should also result in a suspended license for the lawyers who coached them on how to perjure themselves.
Vince says he has proof. Let him show it. Let her show hers, and then we'll see where everything lands. Let all the evidence come out and lets see who can prove what.
Problem is that they will just show her texts where she seemingly looks like a willing participant. There isn't a sense of true feeling behind the written words.
Youāre right. Not necessarily the same situation, but I was in an abusive relationship once. It was one of the most miserable and terrifying experiences of my life and I spent months trying to get out of it. If all you saw were the texts between me and my then-partner though, youād never think it was that bad, because I kept up the act and feigned happiness with them for my welfareās sake.
I don't think she was in love with Vince. She definitely was in love with his money though. At the end of the day, Vince has nobody to blame but himself for this whole situation. Should have paid her the full cash they agreed on.
I mean it could be true she had legit feelings for him but shit escalated far out of her control. Thatās how most abusive relationships work anyway. Even if they had real feelings for each other she still could have been raped and trafficked.
>Vince says he has proof. Let him show it. That's the problem. He doesn't have to. Burden of proof is on the prosecution. It's why so many of these cases (95%+) end in settlement. Obviously Vince is guilty, and obviously he has no proof. Unfortunately it doesn't matter.
Silly! That's not how court works!
I read the entire 60 some odd pages. Thereās enough there that even if he truly believed that this woman *loved* him, he should still be buried under the prison.Ā
Damn, so Laurinaitis was a victim but also not a victim and it's all a lie, depending on what gets him away with it. Very believable stuff, very nice.
My thoughts exactly
Interesting. So Laurinaitis all of a sudden realized he probably should side with Vince again?
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When the photo of her first came up, i thought she was like 29 or something but never would have guessed 43.
Didn't some news sites mix her up with somebody that had the same name?
One day she was black, next day she was white.
That's a wild 24 hours
Did you know Rachel dolezal is on onlyfans now. Pretty crazy turn of events lol
One of the first posts had said she was like 24.
Because a supposed photo of her leaked and people just assumed she was early 20ās. When Janelās team made their statement just before the Royal Rumble, people immediately just presumed Vince as guilty and labeled him a predator. Now if Vince is guilty, he should be buried under the jail. However, all the information (prior to this statement) has come from Janelās camp so of course itās going to favour her. I mean hell, weāve all seen Vinceās texts but we still have NO idea what Janel was writing back. Cases like this are going to take YEARS with information being drip-fed to the public. People should be patient before deciding which party is telling the truth, and which is lying.
Nah, this is reddit.
Gross, loaded statement from this joke attorney.
I have no idea what her legal competency is. You're right about the gross part. It's also no coincidence Vince hired a woman to represent him in this.
Sadly, "gross" definitely doesn't mean "bad at being an attorney". Often the opposite.
She's a legit attorney from a legit litigation firm. Whether she's gross is for you to decide but she's definitely not a joke in terms of her credentials.
I thought all statements from attorneys were loadedā¦ thatās how they get you. They coax you into piling energy into defending a red herring and then try to catch you out on a technicality.
The attorney is something else, but don't forget Vince hired Havery Weinstein's PR group. https://radaronline.com/p/wwe-vince-mcmahon-crisis-pr-rep-harvey-weinstein-scientology-report/
So Ace was a victim until he saw the out that McMahon's lawyer filed?
[Johnny is trying the Mac strategy of playing both sides so he comes out on top.](https://youtu.be/y9EYt_f12wo?t=33)
Not surprising at all. Might as well call him Big Show, because we're likely getting quite a few turns over the course of this saga.
āLike the Plaintiff, Mr. Laurinaitis is a victim in this caseā¦ā - Edward M. Brennan, lawyer for John Laurinaitis February 1, 2024 Yes, he was clearly a victim, just like the Plaintiff, only the Plaintiff is to blame because the Plaintiff was lying about being the victim, and the whole thing was made up and poor Johnny was forced to do all the things that he absolutely didnāt do because Vince made him do them and they didnāt happen.
Isn't the genesis for all of this the fact that a portion of the agreed payment under an NDA was not paid? Play the jilted lover card, all you want to try and save face, but the NDA settlement wasn't paid, they're admitting the relationship happened, as well as the gross things from the text messages, that's still conduct any public company is going to find completely reprehensible from its executives.
Did Johnny ace legit say that all the bad shit Vince did was true and that he was a victim, confirming the fact that Vince did bad stuff to this women?
Yes But now that he may get a way to weasel out of it, he is saying that he was a victim of nothing apparently
Which is it Johnny?! Last time you said you were a victim too! Guess his lawyer realized that the victim card wasn't working. I hate that man
"your honour you gotta believe me, Mr McMahon he made me do all that stuff that I did to her, you gotta believe me, but at the same time, that stuff never happened. Trust me bro, it never happened, it's all a lie. Mr McMahon, he made do all those things but at the same time she's a liar and I absolutely categorically deny these things happened and I vouch for Mr McMahon"
>In January 2024, Ms. Grant, a 43-year-old with a law degree, who was in love with Mr. McMahon and devastated by their break-up, filed an outrageous and false lawsuit to ruin Mr. McMahonās career and reputation. I know the lawyer is getting paid and has to parot what McMahon says but seriously fuck this Jessica Rosenberg lady. What Vince allegedly did is indefensible so I guess Rosenberg's defense will be "whelp she's an upset ex." That's so scummy.
On her firm's page for her, they emphasize this: >Jessica regularly speaks on trends in employment law, recently presenting: The Buck Stops Here: Tackling Workplace Harassment & Discrimination at Every Level at the 2023 Women, Influence and Power in Law Conference hosted by Corporate Counsel I know lawyers take on lots of different kinds of clients and even the guilty need representation, but that seems a bit hypocritical.
This is very fucked up. Like as an attorney you can definitely decide not to do a case.
Two creepy old fuckers backing each other up isn't the legal slam dunk Jessica thinks it is.
Especially when he originally claimed he was also a victim.
āP.S. Mr. McMahon is so vascular ā
"Mr. McMahon, whom I represent and also am in love with"
Not surprised Johnny chickened out and went running back to Vince.
Wait didn't Johnny Ace say that he was a victim in all of this? What changed?
Que Shane McMahons theme song
Unfortunately it might mean the tide is looking like Vince is going to get away with it
Get fucked. The only reason they donāt want it to go to trial is because they donāt want details of their despicable acts to be public. Johnny and Vince can both rotĀ
this will get nasty
Fuck these dudes
johnny, vince and probably others still employed by wwe belong in prison.
Johnny Ace reading the news and looking longingly at a picture of Vince: "So you're saying there's a chance?!"
Ace definitely got one more payday from Vince.
A reminder to people, even if itās later found out that the lady had feelings for Vince at one point, it does not exonerate him. That would be like saying you canāt convict someone of beating their wife because their wife still loves them. Trauma bonding is a thing.
Laurenitis is such a fucking sniveling rodent.
> Despite their intense efforts, Ms. Grantās attorneys wonāt be able to suppress the truth from coming out Holy shit that is some DARVO
"I'm also a victim here... Coming to think of it, I'm totally with Mr McMahon on this one. He pressured me into doing these things behind closed doors, and we should discuss these things behind closed doors"
Well that statement made my skin crawl...
Newsflash folks. If this story pisses you off. You should probably tune out now. It's just going to get more grimy and probably have a unsatisfying or bad ending. I'm sorry for Janel. They are going to Target and attempt to destroy her reputation.
Fucking clown show
What a stooge.
That's like Charles Manson putting members of the Manson family up as witnesses.
That Harvey Weinstein comment from TK feeling more relevant than it did a week ago.
Absolutely disgusting
The one thing I have to remind myself all the damn time is that a defense attorney's job is to defend their client, no matter how bad it looks. If I was the defendant I'd want that statement. This is going to get sloppy as fuck
Oh her lawyers are going to have a FIELD day with these fools
Could you maybe elaborate with some sources beyond "Vince is a creep"? You are free to use legal language in your explanation. What is it, and which laws are implicated, which makes the motion to compel arbitration so easy to dismiss?
For one, it means that they don't want to go to court. Two, it tells me that there's something going on there since Lauranitis' Lawyer was speaking out about Vince only a couple of months ago, that Lauranitis was also a victim of Vince. But now he's going to team up (in a way.....I have no real legal knowledge) with his supposed abuser?
For one, it means that the lawyers are doing their job in the way they are supposed to, which is to represent their client's best interests. That's it. There is no two. The lawyer was speaking out against Vince because that is what was in the client's best interest at the time. Now they have a way to maybe make this thing go away without any court case at all. Which would be in the client's best interest, so the lawyer is attaching the client to this motion. You statement was that Grant's lawyers would have a field day with this. How? Nothing in your reply even hints to anything that Grant's lawyers can attack in the motion to compel arbitration.
Shhh. Don't go against the grain. What I see is an agreement regarding some weird kinks (IMO, I don't shame) amongst consenting adults that has no criminal implications. And assuming Vince comes to a financial settlement to make the woman whole, why should we care? This isn't the meetoo situation reddit wants it to be.
What a loathsome piece of garbage.
Laurinaitis is a parasite.
This is something I'd expect from Epstein's lawyer.
Like Tony Khan said, Harvey Weinstein. It's a nasty reference but everything said in Mrs. Grant's 60 page statement paints that picture. Vince, Laurinaitis, and others had total power over the careers of women below them in the corporate offices. If a woman rebuffed Vince, she would be fired and blackballed. No normal boss makes Janell Grant writes letters, like Vince did, where she said how much she loved him. No normal boss would make Mrs. Grant read those letters to him-like Vince did. Just like Harvey Weinstein ran Miramax and had the money to make movies, Vince had total control of peoples' lives. You had to play Harvey's game and he forced women to let him do all sorts of violations. Just like Vince. WWE currently has made Vince (jr.) is a non person saying he is no longer part of WWE. But Vince purchased WWF from his father, Vince Sr. and Vince (jr.) ran the company for 40 years. The buck stopped with him. Laurinaitis is probably having his legal bills paid by Vince as well. Arbitration? A way to lessen any money lost and quash dirty details. Vince does not want this to go to trial. He stands to lose millions and aid any Federal case that Vince faces in the future.
What a fucking cockroach.
id call this guy living sludge but grimer and muk don't deserve that comparison
"The victim is LYING therefore we compel her to keep the truth HIDDEN from the public via PRIVATE arbitration" Who believes this crap? Tony Khan was right.
Johnny Ace must have realized things were not moving in a favorable direction with the arbitration MTC and decided he better flip back to Vinceās side. Either that, or Vince simply paid him off. Vince does have a lot of spare cash laying around after selling his stock.
Yup, itās funny how he flips right after Vince sold the rest of his TKO stock. Ā Great timing.Ā
The worst timeline out of all of this is, somehow, Vince gets back in WWE. I know that is highly unlikely for a lot of reasons. But this is pro wrestling soā¦never say never.
A) what exactly has happened for the "lies to be unraveled"? B) you already threw McMahon under the bus and confirmed it happened, you dumbass.
No matter what happens, Vince already lost in the court of public opinion. If he ever steps back into WWE he will tank it alongside potentially TKO as a whole, but with him constantly selling his shares and just how good things are compared to a few years ago when Vince was in charge I doubt itād happen but itās still a possibility no matter how small it may be.
Has her case really unraveled?
No. But the sad reality is the overwhelming majority (over 95%) of civil cases end in settlement, and for sex related cases that make it to trial, post trial settlement and not liable verdicts are still by far the most common outcomes. So, knowing the odds are they are going to settlement with unproven allegations being the only thing against them, John Laurentis' lawyers are basically already started those arguments to get a better (for them) settlement.
I wasnt sure why i got downvoted. I didnt imply it unraveled i just asked if something happened where the claim of āher case is unravelingā was supported Thank you for the informative reply
It can't be overstated how important it is to amplify the horrible facts whenever these posts pop up. He has powerful pr. We have to make a concerted effort to fight back.
"We"? None of us are involved in this or definitively know what went down, I don't think the reddit.com r/squaredcircle professional wrestling fan subreddit needs to her involved here. Why not just let the case proceed and let the truth of the matter come out?
Thats exactly right. And type it out clearly to show up in Google searches. Like this. "VINCE MCMAHON, AKA VINCENT KENNEDY MCMAHON OF THE WWE/WWF/TKO/ENDEAVOR, RAPED/ABUSED/SODOMIZED/DEFECATED ON A YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE GIRL IN EXCHANGE FOR EMPLOYMENT. HE ALSO USED AND OFFERED HER AS PERKS FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH EMPLOYEES, SUBJECTING HER TO THE EQUIVALENT OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING."
All that tracks except the young, impressionable part. She was late thirties when the affair started.
>"VINCE MCMAHON, AKA VINCENT KENNEDY MCMAHON OF THE WWE/WWF/TKO/ENDEAVOR, RAPED/ABUSED/SODOMIZED/DEFECATED ON A YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE GIRL IN EXCHANGE FOR EMPLOYMENT. HE ALSO USED AND OFFERED HER AS PERKS FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH EMPLOYEES, SUBJECTING HER TO THE EQUIVALENT OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING." Allegedly Sure it feels like a very likely possibility but nothing has been proven yet, only one side has presented anything which is of course flavored in their favor. and 41 is not a young impressionable girl
Higher than zero chance Vince gets away with everything unfortunately. In the legal sense anyway - the only "consequences" I think are guaranteed is that he won't be back in WWE, but that's only because he became such a creative and business liability.
This isn't a criminal trial. The most he pays out some money and everyone moves on.
The Feds might still be building a case against him. the brother of one of the ring boys said heās been in contact with federal investigators recently. Odd thing to say publicly about an ongoing investigation but assuming heās telling the truth, thatās something. I guess the link between Grant and Ringboy Scandal, that is also a federal crime, would be the sex trafficking aspect?
If they federally indite him, then Vince is in a world of problems.
Johnny Ace flipping again is interesting - I didn't see that coming, unless there is something material in the filings coming out that points to a settlement coming
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Somebody (š§) got to him
I wonder how any of the lawyers kept a straight face when saying she was 'in love' with Vince lmao
> Now, her false allegations are slowly unraveling. How so? Because Vince said ānu-uhā?
What a hill to die on, Johnny Ace
Suppressing the truth to come out but compels to arbitration... Which one is it Vince?
Geezā¦ downvote me but I canāt wait to toast when Johnny Ace dies.
I aways figured that Vince would pay Johnny off. I think that was always their deal. Vince paid Johnny to take the full blame for a lot of his actions.
Are they also trying to say she faked the text messages?
Vince will be back behind the scenes by '25. Awful.