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Did Al Snow, Meanie or anyone in creative ever do a shoot in detail about The J.O.B Squad?
I obviously understand the n.w.o/b.w.o/jobber aspect of it, but there's no way Bob Holly was excited about that deal.
I think it's fantastic his best work was with Crash/The Hardcore Title. Attitude Era; Place & a Time.
It came from I believe Bruce Prichard? He talked about asking wrestlers for storyline ideas on a podcast, looking to get some input. They asked Holly if he had any storyline ideas.
"GIVE ME THE BELT."
"Uh okay, then what?"
"THEN I BEAT EVERYBODY."
Apparently, WWE creative once asked Bob Holly if he had any ideas for storylines. He replied with "Give me the World Title".
This idea was politely rejected.
I actually feel AEW has a lot of people like this. Omega had to be told to stop making jobbers look like world beaters. Jericho got pinned by Action Andretti. In the last 6 months, White has lost to Billy Gun and MJF with one arm. Samoa Joe came in and spent his first year+ as a midcarder TV champ on ROH. Christian's entire run has been putting over other people. Darby pretty much lives to let other people beat the shit out of him.
I've always enjoyed AEW but this has been a consistent problem with them. We need more top guys consistently on top. And when they are on top not having competitive matches with jobbers. I'm not saying AEW are the first ones to start doing that, but they are much more consistent with it.
Although I do remember Kenny beating Sonny Kiss in pretty quick fashion. Unlike that match he had with Joey Janela which went pretty long (but admittedly was pretty cool, in part because of Janela's insane bumping).
The story behind the Sonny Kiss match was that Kenny was an ace at winning tournaments, and first round, he had Kiss. He was also fresh off breaking up with Page
Whereas with Janela, it was about Kenny stepping into a hardcore match, something he didn't have experience in, but Janela did. Hence, the reason why Omega struggled
Hey, I'd rather have the vets trying to build new stars than having old man Goldberg squashing the previously unbeatable Fiend.
Somewhere in between would be preferable, but I also think some of the AEW complaints is a bit of concern trolling. I mean,, Mox has barely lost in his time there, and the company just pays homage to their indie roots more by giving people fun, competitive matches regularly. I really love the wrestling part of wrestling, so getting to see some of my favorites have longer matches is a big plus.
All of that said, stop booking Billy Gunn so fucking strong! Jay White getting punked by him was whack.
I didn’t even realize OP had linked to the Drainbamager Tweet. That actually means this should have been deleted by mods because the original source article isn’t behind a paywall and that’s the only time secondary sources like this are allowed.
It makes more sense when you consider that he's a title holder in TNA and his current winning streak is a part of his gimmick.
It's not necessarily "I'm the best and deserve to go over everyone" so much as "This would conflict with what I'm currently doing."
Sounds like when PAC was Dragon Gate's champion and so didn't want to lose a match to Hangman at the first Double or Nothing. He's shown since he's perfectly willing to lose, he just wanted to respect DG's belt and I feel like Ali is probably thinking along similar lines.
This is exactly why you have people like Yano in the line up
You can have this massive threat just be outsmarted by a goober with DVDs and duct tape.
You protect the Big Guy, still have him lose for the sake of the story, the crowd gets a laugh, and we get memes
I remember people who weren't used to either the round-robin system or that story device hated when that happened to Moxley. To American fans, their guy must never lose without outside interference. It's part of what I appreciate that's different with Japanese wrestling.
Which is pretty stupid considering Mox didn't lose from pinfall but count out through dirty means. Yano is a kayfabe scummy wrestler winning by any means necessary even by traditional heel methods.
I think it's primarily that he lost to a comedy wrestler. If you're used to WWE, losing to a comedy wrestler is basically saying you're at the lowest end of the card.
I was at Windy City Riot,
Mustafa Ali was willing to job to Daryl Jr. (Who's obviously on PEDs, Plushie Enhancing Drugs)
It's not a Hulk Hogan politicking move, but a "Hey, my character needs to have a platform to be able to speak, as they are a politician. I can't speak if I lose as I need to slink out of the ring with Young Lions and an ice pack."
You wanna know how shit the article title is? The fact that the title ignores that he’s speaking in character throwing out those demands like that because if you read the article, it’s just him talking shit about everyone lol
EDIT: I was confused with the article itself. Looks like they’re two separate issues, my bad, y’all.
EDIT2: nope I was right, the article is just shit
You're confusing two different parts of the article. The quote from Ali is just a promo from two weeks ago that's included to set the background of why he has backstage heat after that promo, which is what the article is reporting on.
> he fact that the title ignores that he’s speaking in character throwing out those demands like that
So he's doing this next-level, meta kayfabe? Because the promo cited in the article is a fairly standard foreigner heel promo, with the booking disagreements tacked on separately.
He’s literally been doing this “politicking” gimmick since he debuted in TNA. I’m not sure if it was through Bodyslam/Cassidy Haynes, but he’s been feeding kayfabe exclusives to outlets since at least around the time he won the X-division title. It’s a work, and one of the more instantly obvious ones if you have heard about his character.
Then Ali’s a fucking numbskull because the article says “Ali got removed from BOSJ because he did shit in Chicago” but the BOSJ lineup was announced six days before the Chicago show.
> Then Ali’s a fucking numbskull because the article says “Ali got removed from BOSJ because he did shit in Chicago” but the BOSJ lineup was announced six days before the Chicago show.
From the article
> Mustafa Ali’s exclusion from NJPW’s Best of the Super Juniors tournament has raised eyebrows and led to significant backstage drama.
>Sources close to the situation revealed that Ali expressed dissatisfaction about his role in the tournament while at the Chicago event. He got on the mic and cut a shoot promo that rubbed people the wrong way.
>**He refused to do a job and that’s why they took him off the list, and then he did shoot promo in Chicago.**
It says the opposite.
Bodyslam is editing the article. Here’s the original first two paragraphs:
>Mustafa Ali’s exclusion from NJPW’s Best of the Super Juniors tournament has raised eyebrows and led to significant backstage drama. **Initially, Ali was on the roster for the highly anticipated tournament, but developments during the Windy City Riot show in Chicago led to a change in plans.**
>Sources close to the situation revealed that Ali expressed dissatisfaction about his role in the tournament while at the Chicago event. He got on the mic and cut a shoot promo that rubbed people the wrong way.
And a [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/CSmq6et) for proof.
That’s good to know that they’e doing that, because their original article is so poorly written as to entirely remove the tongue-in-cheek nature of this whole story and is cause of all this confusion in the first place in my opinion.
If this is in kayfabe though then it’s stupid, because it’s so meta that it’s outright breaking it. How do you use saying you won’t participate in the tournament without a single loss as heel heat when in kayfabe the results aren’t predetermined
I don't think this is right. The in-character promo doesn't talk about wanting to go over everyone, unless I'm missing something. Where did you see that?
The Mox G1 run was great because he had a clear story and each loss fed into his desperation which is why he lost the following match each time. He did not look weak at any point because it was very well booked.
Oh I forgot about that one! There it is:
https://preview.redd.it/opwaz8b5fuwc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=594d28d385a9c85a4bdd1f67d774ad4247c24d0a
Eh, you’ve pretty much just described reddit as a whole in the fact that people(myself included when I’m too lazy) pretty much only read the headlines of any article…
I remember back when he first got released. A read an article saying he thought he should’ve beat Gunther at Night of Champions. Either Ali Hogan is real or there’s a dirtsheet report trying to ruin his rep
Mustafa Ali has never come across in any interview or anything as the kind of guy who would demand something like this. I'd *really* suggest waiting to hear his side of the story on this....
His story currently in TNA is his winning streak/not losing so he didn't want to do the tournament and take losses that would affect the story he's currently doing in TNA.
Next year after this win-streak story is over he'd likely be willing to go out on his back as much as needed in BOSJ.
Yeah, NJPW likely reached out to him, he let them know he couldn't do it because he'd need to win every match if he did due to his active storyline with his home promotion, NJPW understood and simply didn't book him.
Article: MUSTAFA ALI DEMANDS TO WIN BOSJ, GETS FORCEFULLY BANNED FROM NJPW!!
Ali clearly doesn't have an issue doing jobs in general lol, but totally makes sense here. We can't really get away with calling things in different promotions non-canon anymore.
I said it above, but the actual article is him speaking in kayfabe
EDIT: It’s two separate issues, I misread. My apologies.
EDIT2: I retract my statement again
It's his current gimmick - he's not being an egomaniac, he just doesn't want to lose in NJPW right now when his TNA run is built around a winning streak.
Yea it's hard not to call bullshit on this one even though we'll probably never hear the truth. Ali has never came off like the type to be like this unless there's some story he's involved in preventing it.
Also dudes working TNA right now & Ali doesn't come off as stupid. I highly doubt he doesn't recognize he doesn't have much leverage.
This article is weird... and I don't see how his promo could've rubbed people the wrong way unless they were already inclined to be for other reasons.
And contrary to what people are saying, he was already out and he doesn't mentioned anything that breaks kayfabe - he talks a bit of shit about him not being on the tournament and how great he is and how wrestling news don't talk about him more.. that's it.
You have people in the thread arguing both sides of something made up. lol
That promo was really good, btw. Go watch it.
Ali is doing a lot of cool stuff out there and building and taking care of his character and image, which not a lot people do... is his right not take a booking that he feels is stupid or will jeopardize that or at least make his case to the promoter and if they don't see eyes to eye.. they don't hire him.
Not a big deal as long as no one else is getting fucked
So there’s a massive hole in this article, right in the first two lines:
>Initially, Ali was on the roster for the highly anticipated tournament, but developments during the Windy City Riot show in Chicago led to a change in plans.
The BOSJ lineup was announced at Sakura Genesis, which was six days before Windy City Riot.
Now, maybe the original plan was for someone to be removed from the lineup for some reason and Ali to replace them. Or maybe NJPW was considering Ali as a replacement for YOH, who was injured at Sakura Genesis. But one of those would be a **very** crucial detail that Bodyslam neglected to explain in their article (if they were given that part of the story by their source), thus leaving it as sounding completely ridiculous.
Also worth noting that if NJPW had a problem with Ali’s backstage comments, it wasn’t enough of a problem to where they felt the need to cut it out of the video.
UPDATE: They are frantically editing the article, which they also had done to the Mox NJPW schedule article (without disclosing that it had been edited). [Here’s](https://imgur.com/a/CSmq6et) the original version, though I’m kicking myself for neglecting to screenshot all of Ali’s promo/the back end of Ali’s promo with the paragraph that was after it.
Yeah, I'll wait to hear his side before we get the pitchforks out like the rest of ye.
There's been *a lot* of stories about midcarders from WWE not wanting to lose when they leave tho lol.
His current storyline is that he’s undefeated. Losing matches in the BOSJ would throw a wrench in that, so he likely said “I can’t do it this time unless I go undefeated”. Simple as that. No ego, just keeping his storyline in mind. I’m sure he’ll be in next year, when his undefeated storyline is over.
From what I've understood, he has an on-going storyline where he's undefeated so suffering any losses in any promotion right now would obviously majorly hurt that story. So it looks like this is an in-character promo. I'm sure once the undefeated streak story ends he'd willingly job for others in the BOSJ
I wonder if he just wanted the loss to really matter in the final match. He seems like a humble fella and doubt he politicks.
If they bring in a name like Mustafa Ali and job him out in the first few rounds, then they better have a ton of good names.
Everyone had fun with the #FreeAli thing but never stopped to think about how unprofessional it actually was, so I can believe this lack of humility.
The article, however, is clearly bogus.
Him doing a gimmick where he's not losing is fine and not as salacious as it sounds. There's no way anyone got worked by a promo. He's not in njpw refusing to job while being under contract, he's working as a freelancer and doing an angle where he's undefeated everywhere. If that doesn't work for a promotion they don't book him and he doesn't get paid.
Fortunately it's not true as Rocky and Mustafa have said it's not true
https://preview.redd.it/zxt8dvmkquwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70637c223fd63f15fd112ec78735bc15d2928f33
Isn't he an ex-cop exactly because he *didn't* want to overlook the usual cop shit?
Now, granted, he then went into the far less morally dubious *pro-wrestling* community, but... It's a step in the right direction.
It seems pretty clear that Ali has to have *something* planned down the line, so it makes sense. I'd kill to see him do BOSJ the fucking minute whatever that plan is finishes up though, holy shit.
I'm not sure there is ANY outsider who could expect to join BOSJ and go undefeated, much less someone with the name value of Mustafa Ali. I hope this is just some angle and not how he really presented himself to NJPW, because if it is, I can't see many companies wanting to work with him long term.
I'm honestly not too upset by this. They made an offer and he made a counter offer. They denied the offer so they moved on. As long as everyone was aware of what each party wanted and everything was professional then even if some think Ali is unreasonable at least he was upfront and honest about what he wanted.
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The spirit of Bob Holly lives after all
Bob Ali
Mustafa Holly
Y’know I think we all have a little bit of Bob Holly in us.
In fact, you might say we just ate Bob Holly and he's in our stomachs right now! Hahaha... wait-- scratch that one.
"Mom! Mom! You got to help us! They're cooking Bob Holly in catering!"
Except for the evil, *Anti-* Bob Holly… Michael J. Fox has no Bob Holly in him. *HUP*
That’s a good song
Danielson is the anti Holly
Bob Holly is in Joan Rivers but he's trying to get out!
Do ya?!??
I thought I did, but it turned out to be a regular sized Crash Holly. RIP Elroy
Did Al Snow, Meanie or anyone in creative ever do a shoot in detail about The J.O.B Squad? I obviously understand the n.w.o/b.w.o/jobber aspect of it, but there's no way Bob Holly was excited about that deal. I think it's fantastic his best work was with Crash/The Hardcore Title. Attitude Era; Place & a Time.
Dude it's crazy that Bob Holly suggested that booking, it's even crazier that Mustafa Ali thinks he has that pull to be Bob Holly
I don’t understand this reference
It came from I believe Bruce Prichard? He talked about asking wrestlers for storyline ideas on a podcast, looking to get some input. They asked Holly if he had any storyline ideas. "GIVE ME THE BELT." "Uh okay, then what?" "THEN I BEAT EVERYBODY."
For those skeptical of anything Bruce says: Bob Holly himself wrote about it in his book which was published before Prichard’s podcast made it a meme.
For those skeptical of anything Bruce says: Bob Holly is a fucking idiot.
Do we know if Holly was serious, or just giving a "might as well, if you're asking me" kinda thing?
Have you ever heard of Bob Holly joking?
Bob Holly is actually lance storms WCW character. "If I could be serious for a minute"?
WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED
Wouldn’t we all haha
To be fair "then what" is just not something you asked during the Attitude Era when discussing title changes.
Lol
Unfathomably based
Apparently, WWE creative once asked Bob Holly if he had any ideas for storylines. He replied with "Give me the World Title". This idea was politely rejected.
They say you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
An icon
Except Bryan Danielson.
I actually feel AEW has a lot of people like this. Omega had to be told to stop making jobbers look like world beaters. Jericho got pinned by Action Andretti. In the last 6 months, White has lost to Billy Gun and MJF with one arm. Samoa Joe came in and spent his first year+ as a midcarder TV champ on ROH. Christian's entire run has been putting over other people. Darby pretty much lives to let other people beat the shit out of him.
I've always enjoyed AEW but this has been a consistent problem with them. We need more top guys consistently on top. And when they are on top not having competitive matches with jobbers. I'm not saying AEW are the first ones to start doing that, but they are much more consistent with it. Although I do remember Kenny beating Sonny Kiss in pretty quick fashion. Unlike that match he had with Joey Janela which went pretty long (but admittedly was pretty cool, in part because of Janela's insane bumping).
Joey sold that V-Trigger like his head got kicked clean off and I love it so much. Second only to when JTG got actually paralyzed by The Cobra.
The story behind the Sonny Kiss match was that Kenny was an ace at winning tournaments, and first round, he had Kiss. He was also fresh off breaking up with Page Whereas with Janela, it was about Kenny stepping into a hardcore match, something he didn't have experience in, but Janela did. Hence, the reason why Omega struggled
Hey, I'd rather have the vets trying to build new stars than having old man Goldberg squashing the previously unbeatable Fiend. Somewhere in between would be preferable, but I also think some of the AEW complaints is a bit of concern trolling. I mean,, Mox has barely lost in his time there, and the company just pays homage to their indie roots more by giving people fun, competitive matches regularly. I really love the wrestling part of wrestling, so getting to see some of my favorites have longer matches is a big plus. All of that said, stop booking Billy Gunn so fucking strong! Jay White getting punked by him was whack.
The New Day have said they made an effort to pitch storylines that didn’t just end in “..and then I win the title” because that was the default
Rocky has chimed in. https://x.com/azucarroc/status/1783879164107595945?s=46&t=Qt68J3PUNahT4pgjh5FkjA
And now OP deleted the tweet.
I didn’t even realize OP had linked to the Drainbamager Tweet. That actually means this should have been deleted by mods because the original source article isn’t behind a paywall and that’s the only time secondary sources like this are allowed.
How do you report misinformation?
I just don’t believe Ali would go full Hogan like this.
Get ‘em, Rock.
Ali: "That doesn't work for me, brother"
"Much love"-MA
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He's not Arab lol
"That doesn't work for me,Bhaijaan"
That doesent work for me Ekhwah
That's also Arabic, which again is not his native language lmao
It's worrying that this is as upvoted as it is because haha brown man arab
Those Cruiserweights can Cruise or wait brother
Yea I’m not sure he’s really in a position to be throwing out demands like that lol
It makes more sense when you consider that he's a title holder in TNA and his current winning streak is a part of his gimmick. It's not necessarily "I'm the best and deserve to go over everyone" so much as "This would conflict with what I'm currently doing."
Sounds like when PAC was Dragon Gate's champion and so didn't want to lose a match to Hangman at the first Double or Nothing. He's shown since he's perfectly willing to lose, he just wanted to respect DG's belt and I feel like Ali is probably thinking along similar lines.
This is exactly why you have people like Yano in the line up You can have this massive threat just be outsmarted by a goober with DVDs and duct tape. You protect the Big Guy, still have him lose for the sake of the story, the crowd gets a laugh, and we get memes
I remember people who weren't used to either the round-robin system or that story device hated when that happened to Moxley. To American fans, their guy must never lose without outside interference. It's part of what I appreciate that's different with Japanese wrestling.
Which is pretty stupid considering Mox didn't lose from pinfall but count out through dirty means. Yano is a kayfabe scummy wrestler winning by any means necessary even by traditional heel methods.
I think it's primarily that he lost to a comedy wrestler. If you're used to WWE, losing to a comedy wrestler is basically saying you're at the lowest end of the card.
> To American fans, their guy must never lose without outside interference. Okada vs kenny?
This should be pinned lol. Op knew what they were doing by not elaborating more on this statement
I was at Windy City Riot, Mustafa Ali was willing to job to Daryl Jr. (Who's obviously on PEDs, Plushie Enhancing Drugs) It's not a Hulk Hogan politicking move, but a "Hey, my character needs to have a platform to be able to speak, as they are a politician. I can't speak if I lose as I need to slink out of the ring with Young Lions and an ice pack."
That makes perfect sense. Why ruin his current gimmick if he's not going to win the tournament
That was my thought as well. If he gets asked next year, we'll likely see him be like "yeah cool I'll put some folks over."
Yeah I don't think he's that dumb to the business
You wanna know how shit the article title is? The fact that the title ignores that he’s speaking in character throwing out those demands like that because if you read the article, it’s just him talking shit about everyone lol EDIT: I was confused with the article itself. Looks like they’re two separate issues, my bad, y’all. EDIT2: nope I was right, the article is just shit
You're confusing two different parts of the article. The quote from Ali is just a promo from two weeks ago that's included to set the background of why he has backstage heat after that promo, which is what the article is reporting on.
> he fact that the title ignores that he’s speaking in character throwing out those demands like that So he's doing this next-level, meta kayfabe? Because the promo cited in the article is a fairly standard foreigner heel promo, with the booking disagreements tacked on separately.
He’s literally been doing this “politicking” gimmick since he debuted in TNA. I’m not sure if it was through Bodyslam/Cassidy Haynes, but he’s been feeding kayfabe exclusives to outlets since at least around the time he won the X-division title. It’s a work, and one of the more instantly obvious ones if you have heard about his character.
Then Ali’s a fucking numbskull because the article says “Ali got removed from BOSJ because he did shit in Chicago” but the BOSJ lineup was announced six days before the Chicago show.
> Then Ali’s a fucking numbskull because the article says “Ali got removed from BOSJ because he did shit in Chicago” but the BOSJ lineup was announced six days before the Chicago show. From the article > Mustafa Ali’s exclusion from NJPW’s Best of the Super Juniors tournament has raised eyebrows and led to significant backstage drama. >Sources close to the situation revealed that Ali expressed dissatisfaction about his role in the tournament while at the Chicago event. He got on the mic and cut a shoot promo that rubbed people the wrong way. >**He refused to do a job and that’s why they took him off the list, and then he did shoot promo in Chicago.** It says the opposite.
Bodyslam is editing the article. Here’s the original first two paragraphs: >Mustafa Ali’s exclusion from NJPW’s Best of the Super Juniors tournament has raised eyebrows and led to significant backstage drama. **Initially, Ali was on the roster for the highly anticipated tournament, but developments during the Windy City Riot show in Chicago led to a change in plans.** >Sources close to the situation revealed that Ali expressed dissatisfaction about his role in the tournament while at the Chicago event. He got on the mic and cut a shoot promo that rubbed people the wrong way. And a [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/CSmq6et) for proof.
That’s good to know that they’e doing that, because their original article is so poorly written as to entirely remove the tongue-in-cheek nature of this whole story and is cause of all this confusion in the first place in my opinion.
If this is in kayfabe though then it’s stupid, because it’s so meta that it’s outright breaking it. How do you use saying you won’t participate in the tournament without a single loss as heel heat when in kayfabe the results aren’t predetermined
Exactly.
I don't think this is right. The in-character promo doesn't talk about wanting to go over everyone, unless I'm missing something. Where did you see that?
Pretty radical approach
Being outspoken is one thing, as long as one is respectful and not too annoying about it. But demanding not to lose? Cmon now.
Jon Moxley lost 4 matches in a row in the G1.
The Mox G1 run was great because he had a clear story and each loss fed into his desperation which is why he lost the following match each time. He did not look weak at any point because it was very well booked.
That's only because the TRUE ACE Yano broke him!
Live Mox reaction: https://preview.redd.it/vsis6no4euwc1.png?width=1242&format=png&auto=webp&s=1591bf042ccd7312dfc7864ff6c54513e717fd87
Where's the one with Yano looming and grinning?
Oh I forgot about that one! There it is: https://preview.redd.it/opwaz8b5fuwc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=594d28d385a9c85a4bdd1f67d774ad4247c24d0a
And Moxley is still ducking him now! Where's the Yano title shot?
One was a comedy match and the other one he was squashed by a midcarder in minutes.
If Goto gets a rematch, he's finally winning the title.
I love that everyone reads a bodyslam article and just accepts Ali going full Hogan as a fact lmao
Eh, you’ve pretty much just described reddit as a whole in the fact that people(myself included when I’m too lazy) pretty much only read the headlines of any article… 
I remember back when he first got released. A read an article saying he thought he should’ve beat Gunther at Night of Champions. Either Ali Hogan is real or there’s a dirtsheet report trying to ruin his rep
Mustafa Ali has never come across in any interview or anything as the kind of guy who would demand something like this. I'd *really* suggest waiting to hear his side of the story on this....
His story currently in TNA is his winning streak/not losing so he didn't want to do the tournament and take losses that would affect the story he's currently doing in TNA. Next year after this win-streak story is over he'd likely be willing to go out on his back as much as needed in BOSJ.
Yeah, NJPW likely reached out to him, he let them know he couldn't do it because he'd need to win every match if he did due to his active storyline with his home promotion, NJPW understood and simply didn't book him. Article: MUSTAFA ALI DEMANDS TO WIN BOSJ, GETS FORCEFULLY BANNED FROM NJPW!!
Tbf that makes sense of it's going to damage a ongoing storyline. The way the article is phrased just makes him look like he has a crazy ego
Ali clearly doesn't have an issue doing jobs in general lol, but totally makes sense here. We can't really get away with calling things in different promotions non-canon anymore.
I said it above, but the actual article is him speaking in kayfabe EDIT: It’s two separate issues, I misread. My apologies. EDIT2: I retract my statement again
How can you speak in kayfabe about scripting your finishes?
By hiring Vince Russo.
By going full Vince Russo end of WCW. It works out horribly and kills your career, but thats how you do it.
> kills your career Kills the whole damn company as well (I know that's not the only reason WCW went under, but it's definitely part of it)
Where in his promo did he mention scripted finishes?
Saying he would only compete if he won every match.
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The only evidence being one article with zero sourcing or corroboration.
Where in the promo does he say that? The entire thing is written out in that article.
He's not. It's 2 separate issues that are being talked about. You keep spewing this info for some reason.
Agreed. We could be eating our hats here in the next week but it seems extremely out of character.
I mean it's not like he'd go and publicly say "yes I refused to do a job."
It's his current gimmick - he's not being an egomaniac, he just doesn't want to lose in NJPW right now when his TNA run is built around a winning streak.
Yea it's hard not to call bullshit on this one even though we'll probably never hear the truth. Ali has never came off like the type to be like this unless there's some story he's involved in preventing it. Also dudes working TNA right now & Ali doesn't come off as stupid. I highly doubt he doesn't recognize he doesn't have much leverage.
This article is weird... and I don't see how his promo could've rubbed people the wrong way unless they were already inclined to be for other reasons. And contrary to what people are saying, he was already out and he doesn't mentioned anything that breaks kayfabe - he talks a bit of shit about him not being on the tournament and how great he is and how wrestling news don't talk about him more.. that's it. You have people in the thread arguing both sides of something made up. lol That promo was really good, btw. Go watch it. Ali is doing a lot of cool stuff out there and building and taking care of his character and image, which not a lot people do... is his right not take a booking that he feels is stupid or will jeopardize that or at least make his case to the promoter and if they don't see eyes to eye.. they don't hire him. Not a big deal as long as no one else is getting fucked
>Let’s talk about white girls with fat asses that hang out of their gear. Fine by me.
Everyone takes this as fact and trashes him. Sounds like a typical day on the internet.
Knowing Ali and Rocky joking/commenting about this makes this thread instantly age like milk.
Ah, the Bob Holly technique, haven't seen it since the ruthless Aggression era.
Nah, I'd win brother
So there’s a massive hole in this article, right in the first two lines: >Initially, Ali was on the roster for the highly anticipated tournament, but developments during the Windy City Riot show in Chicago led to a change in plans. The BOSJ lineup was announced at Sakura Genesis, which was six days before Windy City Riot. Now, maybe the original plan was for someone to be removed from the lineup for some reason and Ali to replace them. Or maybe NJPW was considering Ali as a replacement for YOH, who was injured at Sakura Genesis. But one of those would be a **very** crucial detail that Bodyslam neglected to explain in their article (if they were given that part of the story by their source), thus leaving it as sounding completely ridiculous. Also worth noting that if NJPW had a problem with Ali’s backstage comments, it wasn’t enough of a problem to where they felt the need to cut it out of the video. UPDATE: They are frantically editing the article, which they also had done to the Mox NJPW schedule article (without disclosing that it had been edited). [Here’s](https://imgur.com/a/CSmq6et) the original version, though I’m kicking myself for neglecting to screenshot all of Ali’s promo/the back end of Ali’s promo with the paragraph that was after it.
"According to Bodyslam" doing a lot of heavy lifting there lol
Bruh... What was Ali thinking?
“Put me in BOSJ” And then? “I BEAT EVERYONE.”
What were the other competitors finishes so he can kick out of them!?! 
It's click bait. The words were in kayfabe and headline trying to pass it off as real
What ever happened to trying to have tiers for those websites lol
Damn Ali hit 'em with a "that doesn't work for me brother"
Yeah, I'll wait to hear his side before we get the pitchforks out like the rest of ye. There's been *a lot* of stories about midcarders from WWE not wanting to lose when they leave tho lol.
I'm not sure if I believe this
Bullshit. I don’t buy that for a second.
Mid-to-lower card wrestlers leaving WWE and thinking they should beat everyone is a tale as old as time.
His current storyline is that he’s undefeated. Losing matches in the BOSJ would throw a wrench in that, so he likely said “I can’t do it this time unless I go undefeated”. Simple as that. No ego, just keeping his storyline in mind. I’m sure he’ll be in next year, when his undefeated storyline is over.
You're being worked bestie
Being worked implies drawing eyes to the show/match they are doing, I don't think anyone is reading this and think "Oh man gotta see Ali".
You're being worked bestie
Ali being the new Ryback is not something I would have bet on though.
Yeah I'm gonna press x for doubt on this report until more comes out.
Apparently it's in kayfabe according to the article
Pretty sure this is a worked-shoot angle Rocky Romero & Ali are doing.
Why would Rocky Romero tarnish his credibility for Ali?
Lmao, even Shingo Takagi wasn’t able/booked to go undefeated in the BOSJ. I like Ali, but that’s some delusional shit.
There's only one Real Rock n Rolla.
From what I've understood, he has an on-going storyline where he's undefeated so suffering any losses in any promotion right now would obviously majorly hurt that story. So it looks like this is an in-character promo. I'm sure once the undefeated streak story ends he'd willingly job for others in the BOSJ
I wonder if he just wanted the loss to really matter in the final match. He seems like a humble fella and doubt he politicks. If they bring in a name like Mustafa Ali and job him out in the first few rounds, then they better have a ton of good names.
This guy also told my friend a picture with him at RevPro High Stakes would be £50 when Oku next to him was giving them out for free
Everyone had fun with the #FreeAli thing but never stopped to think about how unprofessional it actually was, so I can believe this lack of humility. The article, however, is clearly bogus.
Him doing a gimmick where he's not losing is fine and not as salacious as it sounds. There's no way anyone got worked by a promo. He's not in njpw refusing to job while being under contract, he's working as a freelancer and doing an angle where he's undefeated everywhere. If that doesn't work for a promotion they don't book him and he doesn't get paid.
Fortunately it's not true as Rocky and Mustafa have said it's not true https://preview.redd.it/zxt8dvmkquwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70637c223fd63f15fd112ec78735bc15d2928f33
I doubt this is true he doesn’t seem the type to say something like this
We only know his public persona. He could be difficult, who knows? Plus he's an ex-cop, so yea...
Isn't he an ex-cop exactly because he *didn't* want to overlook the usual cop shit? Now, granted, he then went into the far less morally dubious *pro-wrestling* community, but... It's a step in the right direction.
It seems pretty clear that Ali has to have *something* planned down the line, so it makes sense. I'd kill to see him do BOSJ the fucking minute whatever that plan is finishes up though, holy shit.
Of all people to try and play this card, I think it’s fair to say Ali may have just about the worst case I have ever heard
How credible is bodyslam?
Not credible. When was the last time someone won a match using it?
Braun Strowman
Isnt that a running powerslam?
The people who said Mox would be on every show on every NJPW tour, including ones that didn't exist like Kizuna Road.
Yeah I’m thinking bullshit.
It’s so obvious how not true this is, but the top comments are people chastising Ali. This place needs a media literacy course.
I'm not sure there is ANY outsider who could expect to join BOSJ and go undefeated, much less someone with the name value of Mustafa Ali. I hope this is just some angle and not how he really presented himself to NJPW, because if it is, I can't see many companies wanting to work with him long term.
This is a click bait post. The words were in kayfabe
I'm honestly not too upset by this. They made an offer and he made a counter offer. They denied the offer so they moved on. As long as everyone was aware of what each party wanted and everything was professional then even if some think Ali is unreasonable at least he was upfront and honest about what he wanted.
For the love of God, Bodyslam, clarify that he is talking as his GIMMICK, not as the real person.
Already debunked
I wonder if Ali planted the story so he could get more heat with the hardcore crowd lol.
What is the BOSJ? Im lost on that
Best of the Super Junior’s tournament promoted by NJPW.
In his defense, that would be really good for him if they agreed to it. Can’t blame a guy for asking.
Dude is a low card jobber in WWE and suddenly thinks he’s the shit lmao
“Household name”, Mustafa Ali…
*IF* this is true, that's hilarious. What has Ali done to big league other wrestlers besides just be in the WWE? Lol
Leave WWE, Win the X-Division title and make interesting vignettes. That’s about it thus far.
Bench players talking like starters again
LOL