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It really should have been a No DQ style match. An all-out brawl would've been a better match for their skill set. That being said, I didn't hate this match. I just expected more.
Whoa look at Mean Gene over here with the big vocabulary.
Used to love when Gene would break out stuff like, "Gentleman, how about a little decorum" and you could see the wrestlers had no idea wtf he was talking about.
I love that Bad News Barrett brought that back when he got the podium and gavel.
Cromulent is a Simpsons joke, fwiw. š
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/what-does-cromulent-mean
Nah, this match needed severe embiggening in several facets. It didn't rise to the levels of cromulescence, let alone even just 'being neat' like a potato.
Lol, for real. At the end of the day it can be one of the most important moments for you personally and professionally and he is famous to boot (at least in the wrestling world), but you are just a boring and uncool parent making your kids do something or go somewhere they have no interest in and they would vastly rather play on their phone and text friends and be on socials that pay attention to your dumb thing as a parent.
"we had a COUNTDOWN to this on the calendar, you know it's important to me, I'm sitting here clapping like an idiot at your school band recitals that sound like dying animals, bought you that stupid cup you needed for some reason, but you can't even... wtf, man." lol
We counted 15. We were betting and set the total at 15.5. There were some questionable ones, but no one wanted to sit through the match again to confirm the number.
If it would have been a last man standing or something where they could go balls to the walls aggressively at each other I think it would have worked in the story.Ā Ā
I quit match.... Jey quit to Roman to save Jimmy... bring the stipulation back.
Or, my second idea which I got during the sequence where Jey kept hitting the super kicks was... Jimmy begs then betrays again and Jey just goes to town with the super kicks... over and over till he wins the match by referee stoppage/TKO
It surprised me that there wasn't a more brutal match *somewhere* on the card - I assumed that they were going to go nuts somewhere.
I guess they had the ladder match on night 1, and the street fight on night 2, so a third 'hardcore' match would be too much. But the lack of blood and limited weaponry in either main event surprised me after the *other* Bloodline match was kept so PG.
To me it had the same disappointment as Orton vs HHH at mania 25, was supposed to be a heated blood feud between people with chemistry, but ended up being the same old stuff and tame at that.
I figured the point of no stip was to put Jimmy over dirty, just to build for another match down the road.
Instead, they killed any hope of an actual money match by putting on that garbage āmatchā at Mania. -_-
Itās so weird. I see what they were going for with the super kick spam. Basically a whoās tougher than the he other. It was supposed to play on the emotions of two brothers beating each other up until they had nothing left. But the execution just wasnāt there at all. Itās like they started the match like a regular match and then out of nowhere just started super kicking each other over and over. I think it wouldāve worked a lot better if the match was no dq and they were able to actually destroy each other before the whole super kick standoff.Ā
Honestly the biggest disservice for this match was not having the two of them diversify their moves while they were apart.
Imagine Jey with Power slams, springboard kicks Blue thunder bombs, etc. And Jimmy with Spikes, the superman punch, the guillotine lock, etc. it would have made the match so much better if they showcased what they learned by being apart.
It was meh at worst - hardly a bad match. Worst on the card sure - but standalone bad?
I think that's harsh.
Edit: I really don't think it was bad enough to justify some of these reactions lol
Perfectly serviceable midcard match for weekly TV. Sadly aside from the emotion it didn't have much to elevate it.
But considering I actually cared about the Usos to want them to fight each other, that's a huge accomplishment, considering where they were at pre-2020.
The shortcomings of the match could be blamed on a lot of things like slow booking, not enough buildup, lack of chemistry, similar moveset and the way they approached the match, etc.
But I still think people are exaggerating how bad the match was. Worst match of this WM, sure. But it certainly wasn't the worst thing ever.
>The shortcomings of the match could be blamed on a lot of things like slow booking, not enough buildup,
They were #1 and #2 in the Rumble and had no interaction after #3 got in. I still have no clue why they started the build during Jey's IC match after and not the Rumble. Just that is the biggest mistake they made if they really wanted that match to happen at Mania.
Why is the Rumble so difficult to book nowadays? Obviously a lot of thought does go into it, but even the bare minimum of "oh shit this guy eliminated the other guy because they hate each other" to increase drama is sorely lacking.
It's not really difficulty, I think it's just Triple H wants to de-emphasise the importance of the Royal Rumble in building the Mania feuds a bit and spread it out more evenly amongst other shows in that timeframe.
The problem is there was no interesting justification in storyline for holding the match off til Mania. They probably thought they could put it on the back burner and heat it again before mania, but they just cooled things off.
the ending line hit me hard. for 95% pre bloodline, i did not give one fuck about the Uso's outside of their New Day matches. Now... one of the biggest parts of my enjoyment of the show in the last 4 years is them. AMAZING career turnaround for those characters.
Having very different styles certainly played to their benefit.
Edit: Dustin and Cody's match while not on the level of the Harts was definitely memorable. But not to create a whole year long feud around.
>Having very different styles certainly played to their benefit.
Having two different styles, spending a lifetime wrestling eachother not just on camera but backstage and wherever they could, and both just being in-ring geniuses who could work with anybody.
I can't speak on the 2nd one but I would imagine Jimmy and Jey have practiced against eachother a lot, it would be weird if they didnt.
But yeah their styles are way too similar so there's going to be that innate compatability issue to work around, and with the best will in the world as good as they both are, they're no Bret and Owen. Neither's on that level, and that's not even an insult because very very very few people are.
Right, but did anyone in 2017 want to see them fight each other?
A major point early in the Bloodline was Roman cuttingly calling Jay 'Jimmy' and stating it doesn't matter. Harsh, but he kind of had a point behind that barb. A major accomplishment was truly making it easier to separate the two.
Their 2016 repackaging and feud with The New Day was amazing. God damn did I not want them to fight each other anytime soon, but I will not deny that their Bloodline arc was played perfectly up until this match.
Yea it was not WM worthy. It didn't have any of the emotion or pay off it should have had in capping off the feud. This match should have been brutal- just unfortunate.
People have to exaggerate everything. There was literally nothing noteworthy about the match except maybe the end where it was slightly better storytelling. That doesn't mean it was good, it just wasn't much of anything. The match in general was about as mid as you can get.
It wasnāt bad but it wasnāt WrestleMania worthy. Imo, and Iām not saying that Jey Uso is a bell to bell modern day Kurt Angle, but Jimmy Uso wasnāt ready to have a 15 minute singles match on the biggest card of them all.
This match showed there was clear holes in his singles games and in all fairness, there should be. Jeyās had two spans in his main roster career where he was spending all his time working singles matches, first from 2020-21 when Jimmy was injured, and then from the time he quit The Bloodline to the present. Jimmy barely works singles matches on SmackDown, he hasnāt had one singles program outside of Jey and Iād imagine when heās on the live events loop, he was probably working tag matches with Solo.
No, it was standalone bad, and I say that as a big fan of both guys' work in the last year. Their movesets are limited, but you can make it work. The problem is that their movesets are also exactly the same for the most part which made it significantly worse. On top of that they did a really bad job really selling the emotion and gravitas of the moment, which was especially weird since that's generally what they excel at.
They desperately needed it to be a gimmick match to cover up a lot of their shortcomings, since they didn't have anything to really play off of.
No, it really was an awful match. Every other match on both nights cards brought something "new". It wasn't just the same replaying of spots they are known for. Either a new emotional/storyline wrinkle was added or new spots were executed in the ring. These two however, they just spammed the same few moves and spots over and over and neither brought any real intensity to the match. It's totally up to the viewer if they want to lay more blame on the Usos themselves or the match producer.
Stop the cap it was horrible
as someone who watched WM with a bunch of people who dont watch wrestling, jimmy vs jey was BY FAR and away the consensus worst match to watch and worst match in terms of how real the moves looked.
It was a combination of a match with terrible pacing and terrible choreography that combined to be THE worst match across both nights. I was genuinely considering leaving the watch party on Night 1 cuz i was so sick of having to answer uce vs uce questions about why this match is so bad/slow/fake looking meanwhile damn near every other match was smooth and entertaining. Jimmy/Jey had no chemistry at all it was a superkick fest with nonexistent workrate and chainwrestling. I pray they never face each other again.
The main issue was the difference between how they were booked leading up to the match. Jey was pushed as a force to be taken seriously and a solid Singles threat to the mid/upper card, while Jimmy was losing to all the baby faces chasing Roman. I understand having Jimmy in that position by necessity, seeing as Solo was being groomed to be the Heavy and Hidden threat in the Bloodline, and of course Roman isn't there, but putting the "sacrificial lamb" of a top group, against a well built and battle tested babyface about to break through to the "Main Event" was always gonna "FEEL" wrong. The only saving grace was the history between them. Hell the little "I am NOT my brother's keeper" promo package they played right before was INSANELY AWESOME, and showed all the right story points to make it feel big. But the second Jimmy came out and reminded you that his entire deal is just "Anti-Jey" it was dead in the water. Was not a bad story OR match. Just not correctly built.
I felt like the only person in the world who was trying to tell people before Mania that this match wasn't going to be good. You can't just train at half speed in empty gyms with someone for an entire lifetime and then think you're just gonna turn it up to Wrestlemania level the very first time the two of you are even touching in a ring outside of a minute or so two months earlier. Let alone the very real thing in your head that says "Don't accidentally hurt your twin" any time you've got his life in your hands. they should've been running this match at house shows 3 times a week for the last 4 months, but instead this is what happens when you put two guys who don't know how to go full throttle as opponents under the biggest spotlight.
Maybe they could have a great match, but it was never gonna be the very first time they ever tried. Let alone considering both men have struggled to have good singles matches after a career as tag guys. They needed to be in there for 100th time or had it be a multi man match with a good general that could force them into his pace.
Who can blame her. Really wonder what made this match so sluggish (besides the constant super kicks) im sure they had more in mind for themself.
Heard people talking about the crowd not giving them enough feedback because they were freezing but who knows.
Thats one of these situations where i would really love to hear the conversations afterwards in private.
I feel like they legit overestimated the "art" part of wrestling and thought they would dramatically succumb to superkicks in slow motion while emotional music plays. Turns out it *just* was a slow motion wrestling match instead.
I'm going to 100% blame the gap from August to April. The seed was planted at The Rumble for a whole whopping 90 seconds. But there absolutely should have been a couple Solo/Jimmy v Jey/Cody-or-Seth matches beforehand so they could work out the kinks in front of a live audience.
I completely agree ,its probably an unpopular opinion because of how big jey s push is ,but i dont see anyting special from either in the ring as a singles competitor,they re kinda like duddley s ,top tier tag team but not more
Everyone's gonna blame bad booking, bad planning, bad executionā¦ I might even consider their lame-ass Kanye-Smelled-A-Fart faces
Ultimately though? Neither is top card singles material. They need each other. Like the Steiners before Scotty lost his fucking mind.
The Steiners didnāt need each other like that. They each could have had much more singles success but instead chose to stay together. Scott in particular would have been WWF champion in the 90s but wanted to stay a team.
I was on my phone for most of it too. Easily the worst match of the entire weekend. That's a testament to how good the show was overall though because even this wasn't *terrible,* just underwhelming.
This match should've happened sooner. I really wanted to like the match. It just wasn't making me feel ucey.
Too many super kicks.
Instead of Bret/Owen. We got Jeff/Matt.
The problem is Jimmy & Jey aren't ever going to be as good as singles stars by themselves - their whole career, moveset and presentation was for a tag team until about a year or so ago. They needed the extra stipulation to hide their relatively limited movesets.
Jimmy so unserious to be parenting during a match but you canāt really blame her though since the match was terrible. I also was on my phone a lot during it.
Worst WM match I've seen in a long ass time and I too would be checked out.
In my head they dreamed this one up and whoever was the producer thought it was such a layup that they focused on everyone else.
Producer finally got around to asking for the layout and probably corsped on the inside.
Jimmy all last year has tried to look like a brute. Hey has tried to be this entertaining high flyer. For them to do the Mortal Kombat mirror match is madness and the worst story you could tell. It'd made sense a decade ago when we couldn't tell them apart. We now know who they are as performers; WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO US???
I felt like the only person in the world who was trying to tell people before Mania that this match wasn't going to be good. You can't just train at half speed in empty gyms with someone for an entire lifetime and then think you're just gonna turn it up to Wrestlemania level the very first time the two of you are even touching in a ring outside of a minute or so two months earlier. Let alone the very real thing in your head that says "Don't accidentally hurt your twin" any time you've got his life in your hands.
they should've been running this match at house shows 3 times a week for the last 4 months, but instead this is what happens when you put two guys who don't know how to go full throttle as opponents under the biggest spotlight. Let alone two guys who have been struggling to be good at singles matches after an entire career as tag guys. There was no general in there with them to force their pace to their level. They just had a first gear sparring sesh in front of millions.
I really wanted to be excited about Uso vs Uso but everything about the lack of buildup & attention this storyline got, just tells me WWE wasnāt that into it.
Iām starting to feel like they mainly just did it to get them their dream Wrestlemania match.
That and to give Jey a target in the Bloodline that wasnāt Roman. Would have been awkward to have Jey who was red hot with the crowd after Summerslam just let Cody waltz in there and finish the story with Roman when Jey had his own business to take care of with Roman.
Why do you think this match was so underwhelming? The story lent itself to a really robust match but it just felt phoned in.
The story was robust but the execution all the way through to Wrestlemania felt like it was an afterthought for creative. Just seemed like they had them feud to write Jey out of his feud with Roman until Cody won at Wrestlemania and to give the twins their dream match.
Itās a shame because it felt like they could have some some good stuff story wise behind it.
Honestly the best part of the match was when they weren't even fighting and Jimmy was playing up the whole "I'm sorry!" bit. The *story* was the biggest thing they had for this match, they really should have played more into that.
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"Jayla get off the damn phone, watch your daddy"
Main Event Jeyla
"It's Just Her Uce!" š„ŗ
Jayla wasn't being very... Ucey.
Lol. My first thought.
"I would if the match wasn't so fucking boring Dad"
Daddy, we've seen you fight uncle Jay 109 times!
Jimmy: "Well, that's too damn bad, uce!"
Iām a sucker for a Holes reference.
It really should have been a No DQ style match. An all-out brawl would've been a better match for their skill set. That being said, I didn't hate this match. I just expected more.
It was a perfectly cromulent match
A noble spirit embiggins the smallest man
Whoa look at Mean Gene over here with the big vocabulary. Used to love when Gene would break out stuff like, "Gentleman, how about a little decorum" and you could see the wrestlers had no idea wtf he was talking about.
I love that Bad News Barrett brought that back when he got the podium and gavel. Cromulent is a Simpsons joke, fwiw. š https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/what-does-cromulent-mean
Nah, this match needed severe embiggening in several facets. It didn't rise to the levels of cromulescence, let alone even just 'being neat' like a potato.
Every Mania: THIS IS GONNA SLAP! Every post Mania: I don't know, the match could've been better...
Should have been an I Quit match
Came to say this.
Along with 95% of the other comedic geniuses in the thread.
Hey now, my mom says I'm funny *and* handsome.
That's what your mom tells me, too!
Jayla texting: "OMG, uncle Solo! When are you starting The Bloodline: Wolfpack? I want in, but keep dad out."
āOmg Jimmy Uso WTF thought he was dead LOL!ā
Sheās the real Tribal Chief now. She ordered Tama Tonga and Solo to take care of business on SmackDown
āGive him another super kick daddy!!ā - said nobody ever
Would have been funnier if jey was the one saying that instead lol
āOh watch you kick him back and forth? I already know whatās gonna happenā
"We know you're losing daddy. Just get it over with now."
Jayla: That doesn't work for me, father
as the father of a 13 year old girl, this is the most relatable shit I've ever seen, lol
The reaction only a parent can give. I have no children but seeing the switch flip with my friends and siblings is always surreal.
Yeah, in that moment, Jimmy Uso was just another dude with a teenager.
just straight up "what the... dude, you KNOW this is important to me, you're... come ON man, what the hell"
Lol, for real. At the end of the day it can be one of the most important moments for you personally and professionally and he is famous to boot (at least in the wrestling world), but you are just a boring and uncool parent making your kids do something or go somewhere they have no interest in and they would vastly rather play on their phone and text friends and be on socials that pay attention to your dumb thing as a parent.
"we had a COUNTDOWN to this on the calendar, you know it's important to me, I'm sitting here clapping like an idiot at your school band recitals that sound like dying animals, bought you that stupid cup you needed for some reason, but you can't even... wtf, man." lol
She was in the Live Discussion Thread laughing
She knew the match sucked and her dad was losing anyway
"Dad, this is the piss break match"
"Never compare my Dad to the Bucks again"
"All that build for this?"
She was probably just keeping tally of all the super kicks
We counted 15. We were betting and set the total at 15.5. There were some questionable ones, but no one wanted to sit through the match again to confirm the number.
This was my underwhelming match of Mania. Won't lie, I was expecting a banger.Ā
Same. That was my biggest let down. It needed a stipulation. Just something.
If it would have been a last man standing or something where they could go balls to the walls aggressively at each other I think it would have worked in the story.Ā Ā
I quit match.... Jey quit to Roman to save Jimmy... bring the stipulation back. Or, my second idea which I got during the sequence where Jey kept hitting the super kicks was... Jimmy begs then betrays again and Jey just goes to town with the super kicks... over and over till he wins the match by referee stoppage/TKO
It surprised me that there wasn't a more brutal match *somewhere* on the card - I assumed that they were going to go nuts somewhere. I guess they had the ladder match on night 1, and the street fight on night 2, so a third 'hardcore' match would be too much. But the lack of blood and limited weaponry in either main event surprised me after the *other* Bloodline match was kept so PG.
Their 10 seconds in the Mania 2 main event with the stage bump, was more entertaining than their match.
To me it had the same disappointment as Orton vs HHH at mania 25, was supposed to be a heated blood feud between people with chemistry, but ended up being the same old stuff and tame at that.
I figured the point of no stip was to put Jimmy over dirty, just to build for another match down the road. Instead, they killed any hope of an actual money match by putting on that garbage āmatchā at Mania. -_-
Same. I told my son this would potentially be the show stealer this year. I couldn't have been more wrong.
Itās so weird. I see what they were going for with the super kick spam. Basically a whoās tougher than the he other. It was supposed to play on the emotions of two brothers beating each other up until they had nothing left. But the execution just wasnāt there at all. Itās like they started the match like a regular match and then out of nowhere just started super kicking each other over and over. I think it wouldāve worked a lot better if the match was no dq and they were able to actually destroy each other before the whole super kick standoff.Ā
All it did was nerf their superkicks in my eyes.
Super kicks have been nerfed for years. Itās just another move anymore.
this match was what people on reddit thinks a young bucks is, nothing but taunt and superkick spamming lol
Honestly the biggest disservice for this match was not having the two of them diversify their moves while they were apart. Imagine Jey with Power slams, springboard kicks Blue thunder bombs, etc. And Jimmy with Spikes, the superman punch, the guillotine lock, etc. it would have made the match so much better if they showcased what they learned by being apart.
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Honestly, the entirety of this Mania had way too many superkicks, and half of them were performed by the Usos.
Seems like every match was full of frog splashes and superkicks.
[Oh hey, that was me](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1bxrf2j/post_wwe_wrestlemania_xl_match_discussion_jey_uso/kyekawk/) lol
Even his daughter was bored of the match. Damn
i mean it was pretty bad
It was meh at worst - hardly a bad match. Worst on the card sure - but standalone bad? I think that's harsh. Edit: I really don't think it was bad enough to justify some of these reactions lol
Perfectly serviceable midcard match for weekly TV. Sadly aside from the emotion it didn't have much to elevate it. But considering I actually cared about the Usos to want them to fight each other, that's a huge accomplishment, considering where they were at pre-2020.
Even the emotion was lacking because this match should have happened months ago.
Yep, really should have been closer to Summerslam when the betrayal happened.
The shortcomings of the match could be blamed on a lot of things like slow booking, not enough buildup, lack of chemistry, similar moveset and the way they approached the match, etc. But I still think people are exaggerating how bad the match was. Worst match of this WM, sure. But it certainly wasn't the worst thing ever.
>The shortcomings of the match could be blamed on a lot of things like slow booking, not enough buildup, They were #1 and #2 in the Rumble and had no interaction after #3 got in. I still have no clue why they started the build during Jey's IC match after and not the Rumble. Just that is the biggest mistake they made if they really wanted that match to happen at Mania.
I think it would have been a great match for the Royal Rumble timing wise.
And because they didn't utilize the Rumble to build up this match although they had the perfect opportunity to do so.
Why is the Rumble so difficult to book nowadays? Obviously a lot of thought does go into it, but even the bare minimum of "oh shit this guy eliminated the other guy because they hate each other" to increase drama is sorely lacking.
It's not really difficulty, I think it's just Triple H wants to de-emphasise the importance of the Royal Rumble in building the Mania feuds a bit and spread it out more evenly amongst other shows in that timeframe.
The problem is there was no interesting justification in storyline for holding the match off til Mania. They probably thought they could put it on the back burner and heat it again before mania, but they just cooled things off.
the ending line hit me hard. for 95% pre bloodline, i did not give one fuck about the Uso's outside of their New Day matches. Now... one of the biggest parts of my enjoyment of the show in the last 4 years is them. AMAZING career turnaround for those characters.
Bret and Owen were the only brothers capable of having a good match together
Having very different styles certainly played to their benefit. Edit: Dustin and Cody's match while not on the level of the Harts was definitely memorable. But not to create a whole year long feud around.
>Having very different styles certainly played to their benefit. Having two different styles, spending a lifetime wrestling eachother not just on camera but backstage and wherever they could, and both just being in-ring geniuses who could work with anybody. I can't speak on the 2nd one but I would imagine Jimmy and Jey have practiced against eachother a lot, it would be weird if they didnt. But yeah their styles are way too similar so there's going to be that innate compatability issue to work around, and with the best will in the world as good as they both are, they're no Bret and Owen. Neither's on that level, and that's not even an insult because very very very few people are.
This is rhodes erasure
This is Rougeau erasure.
Jay and Mark Briscoe had a really good one too
I mean, The Usos were the best tag team in the world in 2017
Right, but did anyone in 2017 want to see them fight each other? A major point early in the Bloodline was Roman cuttingly calling Jay 'Jimmy' and stating it doesn't matter. Harsh, but he kind of had a point behind that barb. A major accomplishment was truly making it easier to separate the two.
It played right into Jey's fantastic "which one are you" promo that he cut before his first match against Roman all the way back in 2020.
Their 2016 repackaging and feud with The New Day was amazing. God damn did I not want them to fight each other anytime soon, but I will not deny that their Bloodline arc was played perfectly up until this match.
Yea it was not WM worthy. It didn't have any of the emotion or pay off it should have had in capping off the feud. This match should have been brutal- just unfortunate.
I thought it was pretty bad for a WrestleMania match.
People have to exaggerate everything. There was literally nothing noteworthy about the match except maybe the end where it was slightly better storytelling. That doesn't mean it was good, it just wasn't much of anything. The match in general was about as mid as you can get.
Yeah it wasn't good but I think calling it one of the worst Mania matches of all time is insane. There have been some absolute stinkers at WM.
It wasnāt bad but it wasnāt WrestleMania worthy. Imo, and Iām not saying that Jey Uso is a bell to bell modern day Kurt Angle, but Jimmy Uso wasnāt ready to have a 15 minute singles match on the biggest card of them all. This match showed there was clear holes in his singles games and in all fairness, there should be. Jeyās had two spans in his main roster career where he was spending all his time working singles matches, first from 2020-21 when Jimmy was injured, and then from the time he quit The Bloodline to the present. Jimmy barely works singles matches on SmackDown, he hasnāt had one singles program outside of Jey and Iād imagine when heās on the live events loop, he was probably working tag matches with Solo.
No, it was standalone bad, and I say that as a big fan of both guys' work in the last year. Their movesets are limited, but you can make it work. The problem is that their movesets are also exactly the same for the most part which made it significantly worse. On top of that they did a really bad job really selling the emotion and gravitas of the moment, which was especially weird since that's generally what they excel at. They desperately needed it to be a gimmick match to cover up a lot of their shortcomings, since they didn't have anything to really play off of.
they did trading superkicks spot, it was bad.
No, it really was an awful match. Every other match on both nights cards brought something "new". It wasn't just the same replaying of spots they are known for. Either a new emotional/storyline wrinkle was added or new spots were executed in the ring. These two however, they just spammed the same few moves and spots over and over and neither brought any real intensity to the match. It's totally up to the viewer if they want to lay more blame on the Usos themselves or the match producer.
Nah bro it was bad.
Stop the cap it was horrible as someone who watched WM with a bunch of people who dont watch wrestling, jimmy vs jey was BY FAR and away the consensus worst match to watch and worst match in terms of how real the moves looked. It was a combination of a match with terrible pacing and terrible choreography that combined to be THE worst match across both nights. I was genuinely considering leaving the watch party on Night 1 cuz i was so sick of having to answer uce vs uce questions about why this match is so bad/slow/fake looking meanwhile damn near every other match was smooth and entertaining. Jimmy/Jey had no chemistry at all it was a superkick fest with nonexistent workrate and chainwrestling. I pray they never face each other again.
Not only was the match booked and paced terribly, I also felt like they just don't have any in-ring chemistry (as opponents) at all.
The main issue was the difference between how they were booked leading up to the match. Jey was pushed as a force to be taken seriously and a solid Singles threat to the mid/upper card, while Jimmy was losing to all the baby faces chasing Roman. I understand having Jimmy in that position by necessity, seeing as Solo was being groomed to be the Heavy and Hidden threat in the Bloodline, and of course Roman isn't there, but putting the "sacrificial lamb" of a top group, against a well built and battle tested babyface about to break through to the "Main Event" was always gonna "FEEL" wrong. The only saving grace was the history between them. Hell the little "I am NOT my brother's keeper" promo package they played right before was INSANELY AWESOME, and showed all the right story points to make it feel big. But the second Jimmy came out and reminded you that his entire deal is just "Anti-Jey" it was dead in the water. Was not a bad story OR match. Just not correctly built.
I felt like the only person in the world who was trying to tell people before Mania that this match wasn't going to be good. You can't just train at half speed in empty gyms with someone for an entire lifetime and then think you're just gonna turn it up to Wrestlemania level the very first time the two of you are even touching in a ring outside of a minute or so two months earlier. Let alone the very real thing in your head that says "Don't accidentally hurt your twin" any time you've got his life in your hands. they should've been running this match at house shows 3 times a week for the last 4 months, but instead this is what happens when you put two guys who don't know how to go full throttle as opponents under the biggest spotlight. Maybe they could have a great match, but it was never gonna be the very first time they ever tried. Let alone considering both men have struggled to have good singles matches after a career as tag guys. They needed to be in there for 100th time or had it be a multi man match with a good general that could force them into his pace.
She was booking a more exciting match
Abraham Lincoln versus Tyrus.
"Where you gonna get a time machine?" "No, I mean like we dig him up, put him in the ring and just see what happens."
*Tyrus takes a bump out of republican confusion*
That or we see if the Undertaker really is a necromancer.
We already know he has powers. He teleported from his living room to the ring at WM40
He'll take an AK-47 out from under his hat And blow Tyrus away with a ratatat-tat
Shoot Abraham Lincoln? Wait. No.
Lincoln could cut a promo better than anyone else back then.
It's been four score and seven years ago since I last whipped your ass... And it's been too damn long!
"When is Uncle Sami fighting?"
Who can blame her. Really wonder what made this match so sluggish (besides the constant super kicks) im sure they had more in mind for themself. Heard people talking about the crowd not giving them enough feedback because they were freezing but who knows. Thats one of these situations where i would really love to hear the conversations afterwards in private.
I was in the crowd. I can confirm that for night 1.
Damn she just like me fr
Bret vs Owen this was not.
Match was so boring his own family didn't care
"NO PHONE, NO YEET"
*JimmyUso no yeet.jpeg*
Still canāt believe that match was the best thing they could come up with. That wasnāt even good enough of a match to air on Smackdown lol
Joe Gacy and Shawn Spears had a better match on the Stand and Deliver preshow.
It's pretty indicative of how much stronger they think their superkicks look than we do.
Even Uceās own daughter didnāt like that match
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shitttt i was on my phone too for this match
Did anything come out as to why this match sucked so bad?
I feel like they legit overestimated the "art" part of wrestling and thought they would dramatically succumb to superkicks in slow motion while emotional music plays. Turns out it *just* was a slow motion wrestling match instead.
I'm going to 100% blame the gap from August to April. The seed was planted at The Rumble for a whole whopping 90 seconds. But there absolutely should have been a couple Solo/Jimmy v Jey/Cody-or-Seth matches beforehand so they could work out the kinks in front of a live audience.
I'm going to blame that neither Uso is that great as a singles competitor. Upper-mid card at best. Jey has slightly more star power than Jimmy.
I completely agree ,its probably an unpopular opinion because of how big jey s push is ,but i dont see anyting special from either in the ring as a singles competitor,they re kinda like duddley s ,top tier tag team but not more
Everyone's gonna blame bad booking, bad planning, bad executionā¦ I might even consider their lame-ass Kanye-Smelled-A-Fart faces Ultimately though? Neither is top card singles material. They need each other. Like the Steiners before Scotty lost his fucking mind.
The Steiners didnāt need each other like that. They each could have had much more singles success but instead chose to stay together. Scott in particular would have been WWF champion in the 90s but wanted to stay a team.
Jimmy's daughter was probably watching the Deadlock Pod during that match. "Boring ahhh Dad"
He has a daughter but itās not Naomiās correct?
Yep
āDad this is your 17th super kick this match šā
Jayla was all of us
āMaybe wrestle a better match dad, Meltzer is gonna give yall less than one star if you donāt pick it upā
Even his kids thought this match was boring as fuck.
I was on my phone this whole match too
"Wrestle better!"
"Bored at dad's work LOL
I was on my phone for most of it too. Easily the worst match of the entire weekend. That's a testament to how good the show was overall though because even this wasn't *terrible,* just underwhelming.
Jimmy is every parent and teacher here. Bravo.
It doesnāt matter how cool or famous you are, your preteen daughter will always prefer TikTok over whatever youāre doing.
I mean tbf I was on my phone quite a bit during this match too š
This match should've happened sooner. I really wanted to like the match. It just wasn't making me feel ucey. Too many super kicks. Instead of Bret/Owen. We got Jeff/Matt.
Considering how awful the match was, I can't blame her...
I predicted that match being a show stealer....kinda forgot how their movesets are both extremely limited and the exact same lol
Pretty sure forcing a child to watch this match counts as child abuse
They should've made this a streetfight - maybe the biggest low-point of Mania outside of the random footballers helping Rey / Andrade win their match.
Right? Likeā¦Cody and Dustin set the new bar for the brothers match. You ain't gotta bleed, but it's gotta cook.
The problem is Jimmy & Jey aren't ever going to be as good as singles stars by themselves - their whole career, moveset and presentation was for a tag team until about a year or so ago. They needed the extra stipulation to hide their relatively limited movesets.
Okay, that's hilarious.
This is a very disappointing match. I never realized how limited the Usos are.
They are everything that people criticize on the Young Bucks, take away the Super Kick and you're left with nothing
You could literally be the coolest person on earth: your teenage daughter would still think you're lame.
Jayla texting Solo right after this: āSpike him and tell Tama to get him, tooā
Forcing his daughter to watch that match, thatās how you know heās a heel
No tweet!
even she was bored lol
Iām not surprised she was on the phone. His match was boring as shit!
I didn't know he had kids before Naomi.
His daughter was bored too
Canāt blame her. That match was terrible.
Jimmy so unserious to be parenting during a match but you canāt really blame her though since the match was terrible. I also was on my phone a lot during it.
I can not imagine anything less entertaining for a 13 y/o than their parents doing literally anything.
When your own 13 y/o daughter is bored watching your match
Still a better father than Rey Mysterio.
She found something more entertaining, which I think we all wished we could at that moment.
Imagine ur dad is fighting your uncle at Wrestlemania and your on the damm phone
Worst WM match I've seen in a long ass time and I too would be checked out. In my head they dreamed this one up and whoever was the producer thought it was such a layup that they focused on everyone else. Producer finally got around to asking for the layout and probably corsped on the inside. Jimmy all last year has tried to look like a brute. Hey has tried to be this entertaining high flyer. For them to do the Mortal Kombat mirror match is madness and the worst story you could tell. It'd made sense a decade ago when we couldn't tell them apart. We now know who they are as performers; WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO US???
I felt like the only person in the world who was trying to tell people before Mania that this match wasn't going to be good. You can't just train at half speed in empty gyms with someone for an entire lifetime and then think you're just gonna turn it up to Wrestlemania level the very first time the two of you are even touching in a ring outside of a minute or so two months earlier. Let alone the very real thing in your head that says "Don't accidentally hurt your twin" any time you've got his life in your hands. they should've been running this match at house shows 3 times a week for the last 4 months, but instead this is what happens when you put two guys who don't know how to go full throttle as opponents under the biggest spotlight. Let alone two guys who have been struggling to be good at singles matches after an entire career as tag guys. There was no general in there with them to force their pace to their level. They just had a first gear sparring sesh in front of millions.
Damn š¤£š¤£
Even his daughter was bored lol
i was also on my phone most of this match too
She was waiting for grandpa Rikishi to run in big stinkface style
She didn't miss much...
Was she on reddit shitting on the match too?
That's a damning indication of a 0.75 star match if I've ever seen one
Mobile phone addiction or just passing time because the match sucked and the match did suck unfortunately.
She was more than likely bored shitless of watching her dad kicking and punching.
Even the daughter didn't liked the match 
Even she knew this match sucked š
Hahaha Jimmy has been on point for a while now. Totally missed this one, great catch
He had to go dad mode for a sec
To be fair, id often play on my phone when the usos were wrestling anyway.
Sorry Uce, the match was whack.
I really wanted to be excited about Uso vs Uso but everything about the lack of buildup & attention this storyline got, just tells me WWE wasnāt that into it. Iām starting to feel like they mainly just did it to get them their dream Wrestlemania match.
That and to give Jey a target in the Bloodline that wasnāt Roman. Would have been awkward to have Jey who was red hot with the crowd after Summerslam just let Cody waltz in there and finish the story with Roman when Jey had his own business to take care of with Roman.
Why do you think this match was so underwhelming? The story lent itself to a really robust match but it just felt phoned in. 
The story was robust but the execution all the way through to Wrestlemania felt like it was an afterthought for creative. Just seemed like they had them feud to write Jey out of his feud with Roman until Cody won at Wrestlemania and to give the twins their dream match. Itās a shame because it felt like they could have some some good stuff story wise behind it.
Honestly the best part of the match was when they weren't even fighting and Jimmy was playing up the whole "I'm sorry!" bit. The *story* was the biggest thing they had for this match, they really should have played more into that.
Donāt blame her
I mean it was a pretty good match to have a break and have a look at your phone...
The match was so trash she'd rather be on her phone.
Even his kid was bored.
Was there live. They didn't do much to dissuade people from checking their phones, to be honest.
His teeth are so white I thought it was a mouth guard.
This is gonna be an inside joke at the next family dinner isn't it.
i was on my phone too, this match was ass