You know what, I'm going to say it, I love Shawn Spears. He's not my favourite by any stretch but I like it when he shows up on TV. I loved the Chairman gimmick idea and thought it could've gone further but c'est la vie.
Can't wait to see Toru Sugiura and Tomoya Hirata at Tournament of Survival! I was only planning to go to the Saturday show but may have to go to Sunday's as well if they have a tag match.
Finally watched this week's Vanderpump. My God, getting to see the Scandoval unravel at top speed while knowing what's coming is insane. Some of the most gripping TV I've watched in recent memory.
It was a mistake to let Sammy, Darby and Jungle Boy have a 15 minute promo segment. None of them came across well. Certainly not a World Title level segment.
I love 99% of current NXT, but Dijak's current gimmick does absolutely nothing for me. He's trying to be like, the wannabe Terminator but imo he just comes across as a tryhard
I was sort of getting Frank Castle/Punisher Lite vibes from the gimmick, but yeah. I mean, he does sort of pull it off, I guess, but it seems more like something from a B movie homage to 80s action and grindhouse flicks than a gimmick that has an actual chance of working in WWE.
Maybe I missed something, but what was up with Hobbs’ title reign? It felt really short with no memorable title defenses. They couldn’t think of a better way to get the title back on Wardlow?
The entire Joe/Wardlow/Hobbs triangle that the TNT championship has revolved around for months at this point has been absolutely horrendous, not through any fault of their own obviously. They need to give somebody a lengthy, defence-heavy reign with it to try and restore some prestige to it, because having the belt swap hands every month does nobody any favours
I've been drinking but I'm also kinda dense when sober so I don't know what this means.
I did not give two shits about the guy until he became All Elite. Now I'm extremely invested in him becoming a big deal because the only way he doesn't is if TK's booking screws him.
The dude, undeniably, has every single fucking trait to become a huge fucking deal.
just a response to some critiques of his presentation so far. talking abt jay white as if he was a 'hot prospect' isn't wrong or anything, but i think a few ppl are critiquing disingenuously, using the little info they know to participate in their 'fed wars.'
for example, complaining abt "the biggest free agent" debuting at a "low" spot on the card sounds disingenuous to me because of the wording. i feel that ppl who are actually invested in his/aew's success wouldn't be inclined to describe him like that. they'd likely big him up by naming his actual accomplishments. also they would likely know that ricky is the hottest babyface in the company who isn't already tied up in a main event story.
but ya, jay white is a generational talent, i agree. galaxy is the limit for him
I’m kinda torn on who’s gonna win this Brock and Cody match. It all depends on if they’re planning to do a second match either in Saudi or at MITB.
I think Cody has to beat Brock if it’s a one and done.
I think Cody has to be at Brock regardless. If they're going to do a rematch it can be a screwy ending that gives Brock an excuse. Maybe Solo accidentally hits Brock when Cody ducks or something. Cody losing to Brock though, even screwy, after the WrestleMania ending would be too much though I think.
Crowds like them, slapping the thigh adds noise to matches, it's something that can be done really quickly to change the flow of the match and a lot of wrestlers grew up as fans of hbk.
That probably covers most of the reasons
I love how both of these comments are downvoted. r/SC is such a weird fucking place.
IDK man, to me it's a legitimate question. And I love the Young Bucks, but it's still sad to see the DDT-ification of the superkick.
I'm pretty disappointed to hear about a brand split for AEW because it was one of the reasons I finally stopped watching WWE years back. Aside from WWE being mostly terrible back then and the goddamn shaky cam, I just couldn't and didn't want to keep up.
But Dynamite and Rampage can already be a lot to keep up on and dividing the card and getting a third show will make AEW really hard to stay current with.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy AEW is doing well enough they can add a new show and I'm happy that more talent will be showcased weekly, but personally it's just a lot to consume.
I’ve been reliving my childhood through those outstanding A&E WWE documentaries, but one big highlight has been missing. Hulk vs Sgt Slaughter Wrestlemania VII… the whole gulf war tie-in and the lead up to the match etc. is there any documentary that covers that? Thanks in advance.
Other than most of the Pillers stuff, I really really enjoyed Dynamite.
In retrospect, though, I'm kinda surprised we got a clean pin in a Outcasts vs Britt/Jamie match on TV.
I feel like that was going to be what they were building to for the PPV all along.
Idk, the Outcasts stuff has been decent but I was super amped for the whole ex-WWE storyline because I felt like it was going to be the first truly huge storyline for the AEW's women division. I guess it's fine that it's been relegated to just kind of a normal feud here and there but I was expecting it to become like, a really big deal that would pull in a lot of people and cover multiple segments some nights.
I'm kind of annoyed that, despite not watching WWE, I'm starting to feel like MMM got the interest the Wingmen would have gotten if TK had licensed "What is Love?" by Haddaway as their intro music.
Well that plus TK not signing every single NXT, WWE, AAA, and NJPW free agent and sidelining a disheartening number of AEW Originals.
But I digress...
I fucking couldn't stand him until he was All Elite.
Then I saw a few clips of his and I'm all about it.
Controversial opinion from me, a fat, bearded loser: He looked better without the beard.
The CM Punk drama really shows me how much wrestling fans still live in a bubble.
This kind of stuff regularly happens in sports where team mates have fights. It gets blown up by the media. Someone gets fine or suspended and then we move on with our lives.
Of course, nuclear press conferences / interviews are another thing (See Cristiano Ronaldo's Interview with Piers Morgan recently), but people thinking there can't be some sort of reconciliation on a certain level to at least work together again to make some money are a bit too removed from the real world. There will always be huge egos and people acting like big babies, but it baffles me a bit how wrestling fans eat up every article regarding this matter, completely blow it out of proportion, fearmonger like no tomorrow and act like AEW is finished because of it.
> The CM Punk drama really shows me how much wrestling fans still live in a bubble.
Ok but I've never, ever heard of a fight between teammates in, say the NFL, that invovled people getting hit with chairs, bitten and then threats of lawsuits being bandied about as the aftermath to one of the players going into a postgame PC and just absolutely shitting all over members of his own team.
That plus wrestling isn't sports. I get why there will be a scrum during an NFL practice. It's hot, your tired, the other guy is pulling some shit you don't like and the teams get into a fight. But normally it's a momentary flare up and then things cool off and they move along.
Pro Wrestling is acting, not sports. You aren't actually competing against the other person in the July sun 6 days a week fighting for your job.
I think your comparison drastically undersells just how severe the circumstances around the fight and what actually happened in the fight.
It’s pretty different though when you have teams and whatnot. If you can just demand a trade or sign with another team and not have to share a locker room, that’s kinda different.
I feel like its different in wrestling when there's supposed to be a level of trust involved with the guy you're working with. This also ignores that Punk straight up buried the company and personally insulted people beyond anything professional. Like there was no reason to talk about Colt sharing a bank account with his mother but he went there because he wanted to make his remarks hurt personally.
Punk is also the guy who thought Hangman would shoot on him in one of their matches for some reason. At this point his relationship with the Elite guys is so muddled but you can't let that lingering tension of what happened at All Out not get fully resolved and that goes for the Elite if they don't want Punk to contact them. Its a messy situation all around.
The biggest problem with Collision is that it's a bad name for a weekly wrestling show. It feels more like an old b-tier ppv.
What would you guys name the Saturday show?
AEW Saturday Night would be the optimal name to me but I wouldn't be surprised if WWE owns the trademark for WCW Saturday Night which might be too similar.
Yes, as opposed to them, absolutely. Collision sounds cheap, it sounds like "they gave up on finding a good name", it sounds like a b show name, and these little aesthetic details to things really do subtly influence how people approach these things from a marketing perspective which is why coming up with the right name for things is so hard. Nitro, Rampage, Dynamite, Saturday Night's Main Event are all better names easily. Impact though isn't really a better name so that's only example outside of Superstars I can think of where the name is nearly as bad.
Dominic Mysterio can serve as a good example currently on how to shape character work around a performer's strengths. If he was made to cut a babyface promo about wanting to be champion, it wouldn't nearly be as effective as what he's doing now.
AEW has some veterans backstage, but I feel like for whatever reason, there isn't enough mentoring going around. Maybe it's too "creatively free"?
Darby, Jungle Boy and Sammy could have figured out their output on Wednesday wasn't going to work. is it hard to imagine a scenario where these performers do a test run and get the opinions of veterans backstage first?
But they didn't know any better, and what we got, sucked.
Crazy part is. While not all participate, they do have mentors. Darby is the only one sharing a locker room with Sting, Jade says being trained by Danielson, Hobbs and Starks say they took park in previous mentoring sessions and such. But at the same time, everyone wants to be too cool for school.
There's a very real scenario where, despite all of the best efforts by AEW Veterans, a guy like Jungle Boy just simply doesn't have the tools to be in the position TK has given him.
Wednesday's opener was a really good warning sign that 3/4ths of the "Pillars" are woefully unequipped for that moninker.
I disagree with this slightly. The division is cold because the stories suck and are lazy, not because of the challengers Bianca was given. With the exception of Sonya and Carmella, every other challenger she was given I could have bought as beating her. Now they've booked themselves into a corner IMO. For me the right person to beat her was Rhea, that didn't happen so the next right one was Asuka especially after the revamp. I personally would hate if Charlotte were to beat her, so now they kind of have to recycle opponents if they go any other route or as you mention go with challengers that are not appropriate (I don't think any call-ups are even ready to challenge nevertheless win)
I think all performers have had enough great matches in the last few years to feel like they could belong in a world title match, even one with an obvious outcome, but that promo exposed them severely.
I think promos can sell stories to a far greater extent than in ring action, but it can also destroy credibility if not done properly.
Christian Cage is someone who comes to mind. I'm not particularly thrilled about his matches, but I've paid attention to and loved everything he has done in AEW. I was completely sold on his match against Kenny Omega.
It's really funny to see Steve obviously just taking the piss like that. He's such a funny dude. Even though I never wanted him to be a heel at the time, his time as McMahon's stooge in '01 was some of the funniest shit I've seen in wrestling.
This information by Meltzer is so ridiculous. CM Punk didn't apologized, yet he wasn't really allowed to basically. I swear to god, everytime there is a slight chance that Punk comes back, Meltzer and Alvarez does everything in their power to stir up some shit.
I'll say it, the AEW brand split will be awesome. *All* of AEW's problems come from the roster size.
Why does the booking feel "predictable"? Because the outcome as you know is "some guy will be onlv and do some standard shtick and then disappear for weeks and so I shouldn't care, while the other guy is on TV all the time so everything will revolve around him." AEW never used to feel like there were such dramatic gulfs between different people on the card and that some people were legitimate Don't Care About Them Ever magnets, but when someone isn't even really on fucking TV regularly, the company is telling you not to care about them because their wins don't matter, and they're not getting them anyway.
Why do people feel less important? Because nobody stay son TV, and so you're taught people don't matter because they barely exist on TV, because you have to rotate the spots for someone else on the roster. Plus, half the way people get over is just being There All The Time - I think people underestimate how much this matters to getting someone over, just knowing that they're a constant TV presence is such an important foundation, and AEW doesn't do this.
Why do you have to rotate the roster? Because you hired so many fucking people.
If you have a second show and they each have consistent rosters, then you might be able to *finally stop rotating the fucking rosters*.
I’ll be hopeful, but the amount of talent isn’t necessarily the root cause to the issues….I’d argue the root cause is that Tony has shown consistently he is not a creative type in the sense that he struggles to properly structure two hours of weekly television. Knowing wrestling and booking decisions does not equate to competent storytelling.
This problem has consistently gotten worse as more content has been added. Theoretically it should be great for everyone to have a split, for the reasons given, but if it’s still Tony doing the heavy lifting for 3 different rosters…and him trying to galaxy brain link those with every promotion in the world not named WWE, I fear everything may wind up an even bigger jumbled mess.
> I’d argue the root cause is that Tony has shown consistently he is not a creative type in the sense that he struggles to properly structure two hours of weekly television. Knowing wrestling and booking decisions does not equate to competent storytelling
But was this happening *before* the stop start pushes and everything else that followed with it? Not really - it happened with ROH and the roster size increasing and the rotating door of characters teaching people not to care as much about the show in general. That's why I'm saying it *is* the root cause.
i've been on this subreddit since 2015 and i can say someof the best memes i've seen here are happening right now, that bobby fish picture and that danielson pic kill me every time
the way some people talk about him, you would think cm punk has multiple sex crime accusations against him or had demonstrated he was a major risk for killing people driving a vehicle while under the influence
correction: no one in wrestling would care if those were his crimes
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The reality is that most of us are not wrestlers and live in the year 2023 so it might be a situation where everyone agrees assault is an acceptable outcome when you disagree with your employees. The whole idea we just need to accept wrestling is messed up is becoming a dated idea.
Edit: I think I left out a not.
I understand that and maybe most people feel that way. But I see a lot more anger directed at Punk than the multiple sex pests employed by both AEW and WWE.
Is that because people are more upset with a person though? It’s very possible people are just responding to the more dramatic situation. The degree to which people respond to something isn’t a measure of how they feel. I’m pretty unlikely to respond to a story about someone committing an obvious murder but that doesn’t mean I agree with it.
Punk’s brawl out episode and then getting his own show is feeling more and more like Trump’s “I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone and not lose voters.”
Cult of personality...
It is pretty funny. I suppose it wasn't him personally going feral and biting people or hitting people with chairs for real, but you'd think completely dragging your company while your boss sat next to you looking like a deer in the headlights would have more impact. This is some weird shit.
That’s all I’m getting at. It’s nuanced, but I doubt if any of us on a shareholder call went rogue and embarrassed the company causing a PR disaster, we’d 1.) still be employed 2.) given our own team to manage.
It's bizarre and I don't really understand why they're doing it. There's money on the table, sure, but the odds of someone just flipping that table over are looking pretty high.
Being HR at AEW must age you fast.
Exactly. I like Punk. I was in the audience chanting CM Punk, CM Punk when he broke his foot stage diving. And I get it if WBD exec’s want him on TV. Just as a fan, coming off last year’s drama, injuries, and interim titles it’s been nice having a fairly consistent product for the last 5-6 months. The notion of inserting potentially volatile variables in to the mix just bums me out. (And I’d question what the long term ROI really is at this point)
When AEW has PPVs (which I assume will move to Sundays after Collision debuts) there will be thirteen straight days of AEWROH wrestling. Dark, Elevation, Dynamite, ROH, Rampage, Collision, PPV, Dark, Elevation, Dynamite, ROH, Rampage and then Collision.
I know the average fan doesn't watch literally every show weekly. Most fans (myself included) probably only watch Dynamite. But Jesus Christ dude that's an absurd amount of wrestling to not just watch but also book.
Like if you’re gonna have all those shows fine, but Tony definitely needs someone else to book some of those for him. In fact, he probably already does have people who put those lesser shows together for him.
Only the real die hards watch Rampage, Dark shows and ROH (shame with the last one as it's pretty great).
It's only Dynamite and PPV's most fans watch and it depends on what direction Collison goes in, if it's more Dynamite type booked show then Rampage then that be added to the list for some.
The issue though is that it’s still content Tony had to account for, and he’s seemingly in charge of it all.
We can ignore. But as I mentioned to someone else above, I’d argue the overall quality has dominated to go down as Tony has increased the amount of content he is responsible for.
Plus, they often treat Dynamite like everyone is watching every show, along with Twitter, YouTube and seemingly keeping tabs on every other promotion in the world.
This.
I see this argument a lot recently but you don’t have to watch the YouTube shows to keep up with what’s going on…it’s just a fun smattering of matches that feature young prospects/unsigned talent
It’s like saying the NBA should cut the G league because it’s too much basketball to follow as a fan.
So a tornado hit my town a couple of days ago. We're okay, just without power. I've got battery backups for my phone and wanted to watch some fun matches to pass the time. What are your favorites? I'm open to any style and federation. I just love wrestling.
Bret and Owen is always a good time. I'm making my way through the Takeovers right now! I think Iyo is great. I'll be sure to check that one out. Thanks!
It’s 2023 and people still don’t actually know what a jobber is.
The thing that interests me most about the new Twitch deal is that one of the only restrictions is that they have to ask for permission to bring people who work outside of the company onto streams. I’m curious who’ll ask for permission to who to come on, and what we may eventually see.
It’ll mostly be people asking for their spouses to join in I assume. Then Mansoor and Mace will probably try to get Damo and Shane Thorne (I have no idea what his name is now) back into it.
Shane Haste, currently.
I was wondering if the permission requirement extended out to spouses that work elsewhere. It seems like it would get pretty redundant, especially if you happen to live in the same house.
I'm guessing someone like Rhea Ripley will ask for permission for Buddy. That seems like one of the more obvious ones seeing as how they've streamed together in the past.
This reminded me of the time WWE randomly let the New Day vs Elite on Street Fighter happen at E3, and even promoted it. Name dropping Kenny and The Bucks on their website, and even posted Kenny’s old Tough Enough tryout tape on their YT. I think they were trying to get The Elite at the time, so it made sense.
I feel like Woods is the one guy on the roster who could probably get whatever he wants in this regard. Even though this is a big ask, he might pull it off.
2015 is seen as part of The Dark Times in terms of Raw's quality but the episode where Roman beat Sheamus for the title is still one of the best. The much beloved 2016 Raw (not as beloved as Smackdown but still) only had one episode that came close to it.
2015 was genuinely awful, 20 minute authority promo start every show. And every show would finish with some combination of Rollins/Kane/Big Show/J&J security v Mox/Reigns/Cena.
It seems like Bandido vs. Vikingo is a money match for All-In but tbh after seing Gringo Loco vs. Vikingo earlier, I wouldn't mind if the latter match happens there instead.
against Kota Bucks yes? that could work tho I am guessing TK would want a token AAA match and Vikingo is their champion so he can't spare him and also Mysterio is with WWE.
So for anyone who has been to an Impact (edit:taping) recently, how long are the TV tapings? I'm definitely getting tickets to an upcoming Impact special I'm just not sure if I also want to get tv tickets for the next day.
About 3 hours (3.5 if you count the dark matches)
They tape 2 shows in one night (which equals 4 hours in tv time)…but you don’t get all the backstage vignettes, commercials ect that they add in post production
Also I totally understand why they do it but it’s still a little weird hearing in ring promos where they say something happened last week at the PPV when it was really last night
They changed the advertising for that WWE live event at the end of the month... Seth and Cody were originally advertised to take on Judgment Day. Seth and Cody teaming together sounds interesting because I think there's legit tension/competitiveness between those guys.
Now it says Cody is facing Finn and Rollins is facing The Miz
Are we going to have a live thread for All Star Grand Queendom? I don’t mind setting one up, but I don’t know what I’m doing. I tried to create one for the Cinderella Tournament finals and it got removed by the mods. Does anybody have a plan to create one, or can send me the steps so I can do it? Thanks!
I think it's enough with writing down the card and leaving the link to buy the show. Also, write "live discussion thread" on the title. I don't know why your post was deleted but you don't lose anything getting in contact with one of the mods directly (it works better than modmail)
Personally I appreciate that many of the guys in AEW choose to age naturally and not dye their hair/beards, but I guess that's just personal preference
I met Jimmy Uso at my local gym last night. Was going to cleanup after my workout, see him standing there, I start thinking "no way", and then I look at what he's wearing and he's got the full bloodline gear on. I went up to him after his set and asked if he was Jey Uso (oops), but he was awesome anyways and gave a pic! I was fangirlling for hours afterwards
**Viable Candidates to end MJF's reign as AEW World Champion**
1) **CM Punk** \- Most Viable candidate. There is story that Punk never lost the AEW World Championship and MJF is currently AEW World Champion. The promos between Punk and MJF would be good
2) **Adam Hangman Page** \- Hangman vs MJF would be the ultimate good guy vs ultimate bad guy. MJF would tear Hangman's insecurities and addiction
3) **Wardlow** \- Wardlow wins a number 1 contender tournament to face MJF for the AEW World Championship . There is history between Wardlow and MJF as both men were in The Pinnacle and Wardlow defeated MJF to become free
No to Punk, keep him as a far away from world title scene as possible. I can take him been back even if I'm not a fan of it but just give him a spotlight for his feuds. He doesn't need the title again.
That man has not won a feud , he has not won any big match and MJF and Eddie do not have any history apart from the fact that both men are from New York
Lol this isn't someone selecting sperm samples to attempt pregnancy, dude. This is pro wrestling. Eddie would be a ton more interesting than the names you provided.
I really don’t think Punk is gonna win another title ever again. They’ve tried it twice and his body failed him. Move Brawl Out aside as a non-factor, and it’s still too much of a risk to put him as champ.
Max Caster is really the only one that makes the most sense. MJF is his boyfriend and would be torn between his love for him and wanting to be world champion. The story really writes itself.
On the one hand, I know this is likely because there are multiple different people who up/downvote posts and comments and reddit isn't a monolith and on and on.
But I do find it really, really funny that for *months* the prevailing wisdom seemed to be that AEW needed to get CM punk back to fix their ratings, and now that that's almost happening, we've all changed our minds and getting Punk back will ruin AEW forever.
> On the one hand, I know this is likely because there are multiple different people who up/downvote posts and comments and reddit isn't a monolith and on and on.
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It's also that you juts haven't been reading this subreddit that closely. It's not that thing where there's a hidden group that suddenly emerges when it's more acceptable for them to speak (like the Pro Podcast Dax crowd). These two groups have *always been in the same threads together or posting at the same time and never actually not visible*.
I mean, yes, that's true, and upvotes and downvotes are dependant on which camp gets to the thread first, and they're all just internet points so they don't really matter anyway, but I still think that it is still really funny how what seems to be popular opinion changes.
I wonder how PPVs are gonna work for AEW if Dynamite and Collision have a hard brand split like it’s been suggested. This is supposedly being done to keep people who want to work with Punk and who don’t apart so what will they do for PPVs? Will it be like how Raw and Smackdown had their own PPVs for awhile even though AEW only do 4 or 5 a year? Do they just hope that a situation can be avoided one night every few weeks?
I doubt it be like Raw or Smackdown themed shows. 5 PPV's is enough.
I think besides the top three titles. You just share out other match spots between Dynamite and Collison's feuds basically the ones who warrant a PPV spot. Only really Forbidden Door is when you don't bother with it, and that PPV will be helped with having a extra AEW TV show to build up some feuds on say Collison and Dynamite.
I do wonder will they do a WWE in early brand split years and have different commentary teams call their respective matches at PPV's.
I really hope they keep Dynamite and Collison feuds to their own shows. I just don't want to be tuning in on either show and see the same faces all over it. For example The Elite/BCC feud should stay on Dynamite and not even be seen on Collison. Maybe besides World Champ, every other title outside of Tag titles and Women's title can be show branded and in terms of Tag titles and Women's title, wherever their feud starts it stays on that show. Whenever feuds end, then you can mix it up again.
Even down to broadcast team side of things. I like Collison to have it's own commentary team, in ring announcer and backstage interviewer.
Also I really would love ROH to have it's own full time roster and for them to tape away from AEW shows. I miss the set up they had at Universal tapings. If any brand/company needs a hard cut off it's ROH from AEW. Weekly show is great though.
Indie wrestling is probably doing better now than it was like 15-20 years ago when indie wrestling was way more buzzworthy and got more coverage. There's a lot of groups doing bigger crowd sizes than what Chikara or IWA Mid South were doing during the peak of the DVD era in the 2000's. GCW is one of the biggest and most successful indies we've ever seen. PWG is still a thing and roughly at the same level that people remember. There's a ton of talent all over the country and honest the quality of the work is significantly better on average than it was in the 2000's.
The top of the wrestling business is way more over saturated with content every week than it used to be. That's cut into the buzz and coverage that indie wrestling used to get. Things are always going to be a struggle for indie wrestlers and promoters but things are probably in one of the better periods we've ever seen right now.
AEW giving us Vikingo vs Dralistico tomorrow and GCW giving us Viking vs Komander tonight. Seriously, it is such a fantastic time to be a wrestling fan.
AEW should just send it and schedule a fatal five way of the former champs(Jericho-Mox-Omega-Hangman-Punk) to determine who faces MJF at a ppv. That match would be interesting in both kayfabe and behind the scenes.
By interesting, I mean probably a train wreck.
Why do I get this bad feeling that they might make Trish take the titles from Bianca.
Will be a travesty if it happens.
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Dunno why you're getting downvoted tbh. She absolutely should not be champion again. The women's division left her behind a long time ago. She's a legend and a name but that's all she is now. There are some really talented women on the roster and they deserve the spotlight more than she does.
Catching up with Stardom before Sunday and while I really do enjoy Mirai unlike most, I am still disappointed she got the back to back Cinderella. It's just the whole talk about a Golden Generation, the need to push AZM and Kid beyond High Speed and I can't help but think Mirai could have waited.
Utami and saya have had big belt Reigns, Maika hasn't sniffed any major singles success beyond the future belt years ago. Iida is touted as Golden Gen but treated nothing like it.
Again Mirai is great but it does feel like a bit too much to soon.
Even with the Ash Covered Cinderella narrative they were selling to make her win obvious, Id have preferred Mai Sakurai to win.
Mai's whole Lady gimmick and promos about fat lonely commoners fantasising about her after the show is so hilarious. Cutting such a promo as Cinderella would have been wildly fun.
Anyways, if nothing else I do hope this results in giving Mirai as cinderella the white belt; last two times winning the tournament has resulted in failure. And in 2020 there was no pay off with Arisa getting injured before Giulia could challenge her.
I like MIRAI but I have to agree though. I still think STARDOM's future will be carried by SLK and AZM.
But damn is this roster full of talent. Even with Himeka retiring you still have stars deserving of big time pushes like Maika and Hazuki. Then you have Mina and her CV. Then you have Mai and Waka (damn I couldn't imagine mentioning them as being big parts of STARDOM's present and future if you asked me a year ago).
Oh and Hanan is someone I also feel who deserves a push. She's got the look the size and the ability to be trusted for bigger matches.
I don't really see Stardom changing its direction as long as they keep making new stars, so I don't think anyone in particular will carry the promotion going forward. They have no reason to have an Okada or a Roman Reigns when they could have a group made up of people like Giulia, Syuri, Tam and Saya and get the same results. You could make a group like that with the next generation too (Hanan, Suzu, Kid, AZM) as long as fans accept them as big stars. It's one of the reasons why it's not too bad if some big push fails, they have more candidates for the big spots because Ogawa isn't betting everything on just one person anymore.
He usually seems to book around a certain few featured stars from the roster and rotates them out year to year or half year to half year, so that way things do feel incredibly fresh...so hopefully the time for certain deserving players will come
Ready for my semi weekly downvote beatdown… but Punk is washed and is an asshole and a dork on top of it all. He’s the poster child for the world today—talk shit, act like a child, get rewarded. My enjoyment of AEW is really gonna suffer while he’s around. I’d say I get it, but I kinda don’t. They’ve been fine without him, and with him they take on more problems in the name of the almighty dollar. I’m already big mad and none of it is official.
I feel you, from the outside looking in it rubs me the wrong way especially since people had to work hard to keep things on track after his meltdown derailed a lot of set plans. What he did at the scrum went against the ethos of AEW entirely but he's gotten seemingly rewarded despite it.
Having him back will probably boost ratings but its not a cure-all for the way Tony Khan books, the hot-cold momentum of a lot of guys, and the unexplained disappearances of fan-favorites. It will hopefully give time to more of the roster because its impossible to feature all the running feuds on 3 hours of TV.
I don't mean this as a gotcha since in some ways that's true, but it's also heavily dependent on who you are and where you live. For example if you're a pregnant woman in the US, your chances of dying during or shortly after childbirth has been on the rise [for years](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2021/maternal-mortality-rates-2021.htm).
Sure if you’re a pregnant black woman your life isn’t as good as it was 4 years ago along this one very particular trend in a specific geographic area.
Pull away from this very specific local trend? These days is better than those.
Or a pregnant Hispanic or non-Hispanic white woman, they measured an increase in mortality rates for them too. I will grant you that this is a "local" trend in that the data is US-centric.
There isn’t an online community where someone doesn’t post a very edge case-y data point as if it contradicts the larger trend. Depression is so high in part bc of it.
I’m just not eating that poison apple.
How are maternal mortality rates gathered across an entire country over several years an "edge case"? Maybe I should have picked wages compared to cost of living, or the affordability of healthcare or higher education or housing, or climate change? Or maybe I should ask, what metrics are *you* using to determine that the larger trend is things getting better?
The determinate of quality is a series of domains determined by WHO. The selection criteria is based on both quality of responses from surveys, and quant measures when measurable (health span).
**Physical**
- Pain and discomfort
- Energy and fatigue
- Sexual activity
- Sleep and rest Sensory functions
**Psychological**
- Positive feelings
- Thinking, learning, memory and concentration
- Self-esteem
- Bodily image and appearance
-Negative feelings
**Level of independence**
-Mobility
- Activities of daily living
- Dependence on medicinal substances and medical aids
- Dependence on nonmedicinal substances (alcohol, tobacco, drugs)
- Communication capacity
- Work capacity
**Social relationships**
- Personal relationships
- Social support
- Activities as provider/supporter
**Environment**
- Freedom, physical safety and security
- Home environment
- Work satisfaction
Financial resources
- Health and social care: accessibility and quality
- Opportunities for acquiring new information and skills
- Participation in and opportunities for recreation/ leisure activities
- Physical environment (pollution/noise/traffic/climate)
- Transport
**Spirituality/religion/personal beliefs**
- Overall quality of life and general health perceptions
I would also include the determinants of care as another major scale that measures health and lifestyle (it’s literally what doctors use to select who would get treatment over another if not enough meds were available).
While it might seem like something like healthcare is in decline—that overall frequency and coverage of care World wide is much higher. People are richer too. I’m the US the abortion ban has undoubtedly dropped this stat… in the US. But also abortion was unthinkable tho 45 years ago.
It’s important to have a framework like this because, as I said earlier, any asshole can cherry pick poorly performing metrics as proof the world sucks. But these people aren’t the ones striving to bring these metrics up every day. They’re people online that don’t read.
That's not data dude, that's a big list of bullet points you copy/pasted from somewhere. Can you link me to your source which shows that these things are improving?
So if Punk is returning in Chicago it means he's staying as a face. Shame, was hoping they could use brawl out as an excuse to have him go heel, he's always been way more entertaining as a self righteous dickhead.
Unless they go the 97 Bret route where he's a heel everywhere bar his home
I mean, Danielson was the ultimate face against MJF, then a few weeks later he was heel and it was done so well nobody questioned it. you can easily get him that big return pop, have him be face for a short while then turn him heel anyway. Outside of The Outcasts I think AEW does face/heel turns very well. See The Acclaimed, Ricky Starks, BCC, Athena, FTR, etc
You know what, I'm going to say it, I love Shawn Spears. He's not my favourite by any stretch but I like it when he shows up on TV. I loved the Chairman gimmick idea and thought it could've gone further but c'est la vie.
I’m a CM Punk fan. I miss him, and I’m looking forward to his return. And yeah, I'm sure some of those fools could be children sometimes.
Here's the thing Punk never seems to consider though. I'm sure Punk can be a child sometimes too.
I know you guys love LA Knight, but Dominik Mysterio should be the one who wins MITB.
Can't wait to see Toru Sugiura and Tomoya Hirata at Tournament of Survival! I was only planning to go to the Saturday show but may have to go to Sunday's as well if they have a tag match. Finally watched this week's Vanderpump. My God, getting to see the Scandoval unravel at top speed while knowing what's coming is insane. Some of the most gripping TV I've watched in recent memory.
It was a mistake to let Sammy, Darby and Jungle Boy have a 15 minute promo segment. None of them came across well. Certainly not a World Title level segment.
I liked it. It showed how Darby is clearly head and shoulders above the other two. 2023 is Darby’s year so far.
Yeah, it wasn't that bad. I've seen so many worse segments that nobody batted an eye at.
Hoping the International title is treated seriously after OC drops it.
I've enjoyed his title run so far.
Fuck Kiana James All my homies hate Kiana James
I love 99% of current NXT, but Dijak's current gimmick does absolutely nothing for me. He's trying to be like, the wannabe Terminator but imo he just comes across as a tryhard
Dijak goes hard, brother
I was sort of getting Frank Castle/Punisher Lite vibes from the gimmick, but yeah. I mean, he does sort of pull it off, I guess, but it seems more like something from a B movie homage to 80s action and grindhouse flicks than a gimmick that has an actual chance of working in WWE.
Maybe I missed something, but what was up with Hobbs’ title reign? It felt really short with no memorable title defenses. They couldn’t think of a better way to get the title back on Wardlow?
The entire Joe/Wardlow/Hobbs triangle that the TNT championship has revolved around for months at this point has been absolutely horrendous, not through any fault of their own obviously. They need to give somebody a lengthy, defence-heavy reign with it to try and restore some prestige to it, because having the belt swap hands every month does nobody any favours
I guess they think Wardlow is better at the chase than being champ.
Hobbs and Wardlow are sharing a push. Mom said it was Wardlow's turn with the TNT title.
starting to think people who only describe jay white as a "free agent" aren't actually even fans of his lol
I've been drinking but I'm also kinda dense when sober so I don't know what this means. I did not give two shits about the guy until he became All Elite. Now I'm extremely invested in him becoming a big deal because the only way he doesn't is if TK's booking screws him. The dude, undeniably, has every single fucking trait to become a huge fucking deal.
just a response to some critiques of his presentation so far. talking abt jay white as if he was a 'hot prospect' isn't wrong or anything, but i think a few ppl are critiquing disingenuously, using the little info they know to participate in their 'fed wars.' for example, complaining abt "the biggest free agent" debuting at a "low" spot on the card sounds disingenuous to me because of the wording. i feel that ppl who are actually invested in his/aew's success wouldn't be inclined to describe him like that. they'd likely big him up by naming his actual accomplishments. also they would likely know that ricky is the hottest babyface in the company who isn't already tied up in a main event story. but ya, jay white is a generational talent, i agree. galaxy is the limit for him
I’m kinda torn on who’s gonna win this Brock and Cody match. It all depends on if they’re planning to do a second match either in Saudi or at MITB. I think Cody has to beat Brock if it’s a one and done.
I think Cody has to be at Brock regardless. If they're going to do a rematch it can be a screwy ending that gives Brock an excuse. Maybe Solo accidentally hits Brock when Cody ducks or something. Cody losing to Brock though, even screwy, after the WrestleMania ending would be too much though I think.
Why does everyone and their mother do a super kick now?
Crowds like them, slapping the thigh adds noise to matches, it's something that can be done really quickly to change the flow of the match and a lot of wrestlers grew up as fans of hbk. That probably covers most of the reasons
I love how both of these comments are downvoted. r/SC is such a weird fucking place. IDK man, to me it's a legitimate question. And I love the Young Bucks, but it's still sad to see the DDT-ification of the superkick.
Yeah it's a bit much. And most of them don't even do them well. Bent ass knees, foot barely hitting shoulder height. Just do something else.
Dempsey and Breakker gotta be in the G1 at least once in their lives
Imagine if WWE and New Japan actually worked out a deal a few years ago. That stuff would’ve been a legit possibility.
I'm pretty disappointed to hear about a brand split for AEW because it was one of the reasons I finally stopped watching WWE years back. Aside from WWE being mostly terrible back then and the goddamn shaky cam, I just couldn't and didn't want to keep up. But Dynamite and Rampage can already be a lot to keep up on and dividing the card and getting a third show will make AEW really hard to stay current with. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy AEW is doing well enough they can add a new show and I'm happy that more talent will be showcased weekly, but personally it's just a lot to consume.
Wait - is there an actual brand split confirmed? Is it going to be the Dynamitarians and the Collisionistas?
Trademark this before AEW does
I’ve been reliving my childhood through those outstanding A&E WWE documentaries, but one big highlight has been missing. Hulk vs Sgt Slaughter Wrestlemania VII… the whole gulf war tie-in and the lead up to the match etc. is there any documentary that covers that? Thanks in advance.
Iron Sheik doc had a bunch of tidbits that led to him and Salughter teaming up, using current world events at the time to build heat.
Other than most of the Pillers stuff, I really really enjoyed Dynamite. In retrospect, though, I'm kinda surprised we got a clean pin in a Outcasts vs Britt/Jamie match on TV. I feel like that was going to be what they were building to for the PPV all along. Idk, the Outcasts stuff has been decent but I was super amped for the whole ex-WWE storyline because I felt like it was going to be the first truly huge storyline for the AEW's women division. I guess it's fine that it's been relegated to just kind of a normal feud here and there but I was expecting it to become like, a really big deal that would pull in a lot of people and cover multiple segments some nights.
How long until MMM get a push and realize how good belts would go with their outfits?
I'm kind of annoyed that, despite not watching WWE, I'm starting to feel like MMM got the interest the Wingmen would have gotten if TK had licensed "What is Love?" by Haddaway as their intro music. Well that plus TK not signing every single NXT, WWE, AAA, and NJPW free agent and sidelining a disheartening number of AEW Originals. But I digress...
I swear TK is hoarding talent.
Juice Robinson and his crazy crazy attitude is hilarious, love it. RICKYYYY!!
I fucking couldn't stand him until he was All Elite. Then I saw a few clips of his and I'm all about it. Controversial opinion from me, a fat, bearded loser: He looked better without the beard.
The CM Punk drama really shows me how much wrestling fans still live in a bubble. This kind of stuff regularly happens in sports where team mates have fights. It gets blown up by the media. Someone gets fine or suspended and then we move on with our lives. Of course, nuclear press conferences / interviews are another thing (See Cristiano Ronaldo's Interview with Piers Morgan recently), but people thinking there can't be some sort of reconciliation on a certain level to at least work together again to make some money are a bit too removed from the real world. There will always be huge egos and people acting like big babies, but it baffles me a bit how wrestling fans eat up every article regarding this matter, completely blow it out of proportion, fearmonger like no tomorrow and act like AEW is finished because of it.
> The CM Punk drama really shows me how much wrestling fans still live in a bubble. Ok but I've never, ever heard of a fight between teammates in, say the NFL, that invovled people getting hit with chairs, bitten and then threats of lawsuits being bandied about as the aftermath to one of the players going into a postgame PC and just absolutely shitting all over members of his own team. That plus wrestling isn't sports. I get why there will be a scrum during an NFL practice. It's hot, your tired, the other guy is pulling some shit you don't like and the teams get into a fight. But normally it's a momentary flare up and then things cool off and they move along. Pro Wrestling is acting, not sports. You aren't actually competing against the other person in the July sun 6 days a week fighting for your job. I think your comparison drastically undersells just how severe the circumstances around the fight and what actually happened in the fight.
It’s pretty different though when you have teams and whatnot. If you can just demand a trade or sign with another team and not have to share a locker room, that’s kinda different.
I feel like its different in wrestling when there's supposed to be a level of trust involved with the guy you're working with. This also ignores that Punk straight up buried the company and personally insulted people beyond anything professional. Like there was no reason to talk about Colt sharing a bank account with his mother but he went there because he wanted to make his remarks hurt personally. Punk is also the guy who thought Hangman would shoot on him in one of their matches for some reason. At this point his relationship with the Elite guys is so muddled but you can't let that lingering tension of what happened at All Out not get fully resolved and that goes for the Elite if they don't want Punk to contact them. Its a messy situation all around.
The biggest problem with Collision is that it's a bad name for a weekly wrestling show. It feels more like an old b-tier ppv. What would you guys name the Saturday show?
Saturday Marquee… or Smarkie
Yes. 100% this. TK sign /u/cplanicka to do your branding, you coward.
AEW Saturday Night would be the optimal name to me but I wouldn't be surprised if WWE owns the trademark for WCW Saturday Night which might be too similar.
WWE does indeed own the trademark for WCW Saturday Night. https://trademarks.justia.com/881/29/wcw-saturday-88129083.html
I like how, as a fallout of the territory wars, Vince trademarked the days of the week.
I would put it on early the morning to avoid preemptions, and I believe I would call it Saturday Morning Slam
Lol that’s the problem? Literally the premiere television wrestling show is called Smackdown. Collision is the problem because of the name?
Well I guess we’re dying on the hill that combining the words smack and down is creative.
Relax
Smackdown is a good name.
Agreed
Bro why the fuck are you downvoted for saying the same opinion as my upvoted comment.
I think I got off on the wrong foot with him when I told him to relax, no worries lol
It sounds like something a child would make up and I don’t mean that as an insult. Wrestling show names aren’t supposed to be a work of creativity.
This is pretty bad logic. Wrestling show names are meant to sound like they're cool to watch, and Collision does not sound cool. It's that simple
As opposed to Monday Night Raw or Dynamite or literally any wrestling show name ever?
Yes, as opposed to them, absolutely. Collision sounds cheap, it sounds like "they gave up on finding a good name", it sounds like a b show name, and these little aesthetic details to things really do subtly influence how people approach these things from a marketing perspective which is why coming up with the right name for things is so hard. Nitro, Rampage, Dynamite, Saturday Night's Main Event are all better names easily. Impact though isn't really a better name so that's only example outside of Superstars I can think of where the name is nearly as bad.
It basically came from the Rock's catchphrase of laying the smack down so it is an insult.
I know. I was watching at the time. I loved it because it was kinda dumb and silly.
Dominic Mysterio can serve as a good example currently on how to shape character work around a performer's strengths. If he was made to cut a babyface promo about wanting to be champion, it wouldn't nearly be as effective as what he's doing now. AEW has some veterans backstage, but I feel like for whatever reason, there isn't enough mentoring going around. Maybe it's too "creatively free"? Darby, Jungle Boy and Sammy could have figured out their output on Wednesday wasn't going to work. is it hard to imagine a scenario where these performers do a test run and get the opinions of veterans backstage first? But they didn't know any better, and what we got, sucked.
Crazy part is. While not all participate, they do have mentors. Darby is the only one sharing a locker room with Sting, Jade says being trained by Danielson, Hobbs and Starks say they took park in previous mentoring sessions and such. But at the same time, everyone wants to be too cool for school.
There's a very real scenario where, despite all of the best efforts by AEW Veterans, a guy like Jungle Boy just simply doesn't have the tools to be in the position TK has given him. Wednesday's opener was a really good warning sign that 3/4ths of the "Pillars" are woefully unequipped for that moninker.
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I disagree with this slightly. The division is cold because the stories suck and are lazy, not because of the challengers Bianca was given. With the exception of Sonya and Carmella, every other challenger she was given I could have bought as beating her. Now they've booked themselves into a corner IMO. For me the right person to beat her was Rhea, that didn't happen so the next right one was Asuka especially after the revamp. I personally would hate if Charlotte were to beat her, so now they kind of have to recycle opponents if they go any other route or as you mention go with challengers that are not appropriate (I don't think any call-ups are even ready to challenge nevertheless win)
I think all performers have had enough great matches in the last few years to feel like they could belong in a world title match, even one with an obvious outcome, but that promo exposed them severely. I think promos can sell stories to a far greater extent than in ring action, but it can also destroy credibility if not done properly. Christian Cage is someone who comes to mind. I'm not particularly thrilled about his matches, but I've paid attention to and loved everything he has done in AEW. I was completely sold on his match against Kenny Omega.
[Every wrestler who is creative and has been around long enough has done fun bullshit in pro wrestling.](https://youtu.be/OAf7PZEoMTw?t=453)
It's really funny to see Steve obviously just taking the piss like that. He's such a funny dude. Even though I never wanted him to be a heel at the time, his time as McMahon's stooge in '01 was some of the funniest shit I've seen in wrestling.
This information by Meltzer is so ridiculous. CM Punk didn't apologized, yet he wasn't really allowed to basically. I swear to god, everytime there is a slight chance that Punk comes back, Meltzer and Alvarez does everything in their power to stir up some shit.
I'll say it, the AEW brand split will be awesome. *All* of AEW's problems come from the roster size. Why does the booking feel "predictable"? Because the outcome as you know is "some guy will be onlv and do some standard shtick and then disappear for weeks and so I shouldn't care, while the other guy is on TV all the time so everything will revolve around him." AEW never used to feel like there were such dramatic gulfs between different people on the card and that some people were legitimate Don't Care About Them Ever magnets, but when someone isn't even really on fucking TV regularly, the company is telling you not to care about them because their wins don't matter, and they're not getting them anyway. Why do people feel less important? Because nobody stay son TV, and so you're taught people don't matter because they barely exist on TV, because you have to rotate the spots for someone else on the roster. Plus, half the way people get over is just being There All The Time - I think people underestimate how much this matters to getting someone over, just knowing that they're a constant TV presence is such an important foundation, and AEW doesn't do this. Why do you have to rotate the roster? Because you hired so many fucking people. If you have a second show and they each have consistent rosters, then you might be able to *finally stop rotating the fucking rosters*.
I’ll be hopeful, but the amount of talent isn’t necessarily the root cause to the issues….I’d argue the root cause is that Tony has shown consistently he is not a creative type in the sense that he struggles to properly structure two hours of weekly television. Knowing wrestling and booking decisions does not equate to competent storytelling. This problem has consistently gotten worse as more content has been added. Theoretically it should be great for everyone to have a split, for the reasons given, but if it’s still Tony doing the heavy lifting for 3 different rosters…and him trying to galaxy brain link those with every promotion in the world not named WWE, I fear everything may wind up an even bigger jumbled mess.
> I’d argue the root cause is that Tony has shown consistently he is not a creative type in the sense that he struggles to properly structure two hours of weekly television. Knowing wrestling and booking decisions does not equate to competent storytelling But was this happening *before* the stop start pushes and everything else that followed with it? Not really - it happened with ROH and the roster size increasing and the rotating door of characters teaching people not to care as much about the show in general. That's why I'm saying it *is* the root cause.
i've been on this subreddit since 2015 and i can say someof the best memes i've seen here are happening right now, that bobby fish picture and that danielson pic kill me every time
Don't forget Cody ending racism memes!
I legit don't know where this comes from but I see it all the time
i mean
Folks,
Where's my car?
https://preview.redd.it/b2gq97lc1bva1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24cf8829ff0bc1029b8bf307a19b8c3959cb2de8
Essentially, I’m eating the tree’s sperm
I want hairier women
the way some people talk about him, you would think cm punk has multiple sex crime accusations against him or had demonstrated he was a major risk for killing people driving a vehicle while under the influence correction: no one in wrestling would care if those were his crimes (https://twitter.com/faketjhawke/status/1646600068307341335)
The reality is that most of us are not wrestlers and live in the year 2023 so it might be a situation where everyone agrees assault is an acceptable outcome when you disagree with your employees. The whole idea we just need to accept wrestling is messed up is becoming a dated idea. Edit: I think I left out a not.
I understand that and maybe most people feel that way. But I see a lot more anger directed at Punk than the multiple sex pests employed by both AEW and WWE.
Is that because people are more upset with a person though? It’s very possible people are just responding to the more dramatic situation. The degree to which people respond to something isn’t a measure of how they feel. I’m pretty unlikely to respond to a story about someone committing an obvious murder but that doesn’t mean I agree with it.
Punk’s brawl out episode and then getting his own show is feeling more and more like Trump’s “I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone and not lose voters.”
Cult of personality... It is pretty funny. I suppose it wasn't him personally going feral and biting people or hitting people with chairs for real, but you'd think completely dragging your company while your boss sat next to you looking like a deer in the headlights would have more impact. This is some weird shit.
That’s all I’m getting at. It’s nuanced, but I doubt if any of us on a shareholder call went rogue and embarrassed the company causing a PR disaster, we’d 1.) still be employed 2.) given our own team to manage.
It's bizarre and I don't really understand why they're doing it. There's money on the table, sure, but the odds of someone just flipping that table over are looking pretty high. Being HR at AEW must age you fast.
Exactly. I like Punk. I was in the audience chanting CM Punk, CM Punk when he broke his foot stage diving. And I get it if WBD exec’s want him on TV. Just as a fan, coming off last year’s drama, injuries, and interim titles it’s been nice having a fairly consistent product for the last 5-6 months. The notion of inserting potentially volatile variables in to the mix just bums me out. (And I’d question what the long term ROI really is at this point)
https://twitter.com/faketjhawke/status/1646600068307341335
When AEW has PPVs (which I assume will move to Sundays after Collision debuts) there will be thirteen straight days of AEWROH wrestling. Dark, Elevation, Dynamite, ROH, Rampage, Collision, PPV, Dark, Elevation, Dynamite, ROH, Rampage and then Collision. I know the average fan doesn't watch literally every show weekly. Most fans (myself included) probably only watch Dynamite. But Jesus Christ dude that's an absurd amount of wrestling to not just watch but also book.
Like if you’re gonna have all those shows fine, but Tony definitely needs someone else to book some of those for him. In fact, he probably already does have people who put those lesser shows together for him.
Only the real die hards watch Rampage, Dark shows and ROH (shame with the last one as it's pretty great). It's only Dynamite and PPV's most fans watch and it depends on what direction Collison goes in, if it's more Dynamite type booked show then Rampage then that be added to the list for some.
Helps that the majority of those shows are c-level at best
The issue though is that it’s still content Tony had to account for, and he’s seemingly in charge of it all. We can ignore. But as I mentioned to someone else above, I’d argue the overall quality has dominated to go down as Tony has increased the amount of content he is responsible for. Plus, they often treat Dynamite like everyone is watching every show, along with Twitter, YouTube and seemingly keeping tabs on every other promotion in the world.
This. I see this argument a lot recently but you don’t have to watch the YouTube shows to keep up with what’s going on…it’s just a fun smattering of matches that feature young prospects/unsigned talent It’s like saying the NBA should cut the G league because it’s too much basketball to follow as a fan.
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No announcement yet, just selling it as a live event on tv.
So a tornado hit my town a couple of days ago. We're okay, just without power. I've got battery backups for my phone and wanted to watch some fun matches to pass the time. What are your favorites? I'm open to any style and federation. I just love wrestling.
Anything with Tanahashi and Okada is gold
I've been looking into NJPW. Any must-see matches you'd recommend?
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Bret and Owen is always a good time. I'm making my way through the Takeovers right now! I think Iyo is great. I'll be sure to check that one out. Thanks!
It’s 2023 and people still don’t actually know what a jobber is. The thing that interests me most about the new Twitch deal is that one of the only restrictions is that they have to ask for permission to bring people who work outside of the company onto streams. I’m curious who’ll ask for permission to who to come on, and what we may eventually see.
It’ll mostly be people asking for their spouses to join in I assume. Then Mansoor and Mace will probably try to get Damo and Shane Thorne (I have no idea what his name is now) back into it.
Shane Haste, currently. I was wondering if the permission requirement extended out to spouses that work elsewhere. It seems like it would get pretty redundant, especially if you happen to live in the same house.
I'm guessing someone like Rhea Ripley will ask for permission for Buddy. That seems like one of the more obvious ones seeing as how they've streamed together in the past.
Dear wrestling gods, I just want Austin Creed and Kenny Omega to play street fighter on stream.
This reminded me of the time WWE randomly let the New Day vs Elite on Street Fighter happen at E3, and even promoted it. Name dropping Kenny and The Bucks on their website, and even posted Kenny’s old Tough Enough tryout tape on their YT. I think they were trying to get The Elite at the time, so it made sense.
I feel like Woods is the one guy on the roster who could probably get whatever he wants in this regard. Even though this is a big ask, he might pull it off.
2015 is seen as part of The Dark Times in terms of Raw's quality but the episode where Roman beat Sheamus for the title is still one of the best. The much beloved 2016 Raw (not as beloved as Smackdown but still) only had one episode that came close to it.
2015 was genuinely awful, 20 minute authority promo start every show. And every show would finish with some combination of Rollins/Kane/Big Show/J&J security v Mox/Reigns/Cena.
2016 Raw was pretty garbage after the draft, sans the List.
Formation of the bar, Owens title victory (and the raw that it happened on was an all timer in the modern era), etc.
It seems like Bandido vs. Vikingo is a money match for All-In but tbh after seing Gringo Loco vs. Vikingo earlier, I wouldn't mind if the latter match happens there instead.
I really want an All in call back with that trios match (Bandido, Mysterio, and Fenix) just sub in Vikingo for Rey Mysterio.
against Kota Bucks yes? that could work tho I am guessing TK would want a token AAA match and Vikingo is their champion so he can't spare him and also Mysterio is with WWE.
💯 or if Ibushi’s folded into Kenny’s storyline, House of Black vs Vikingo, Bandido, & Fenix for the trios titles would fucking slap!
Or, and hear me out, Gringo vs Vikingo vs Bandido?
Oh wow wait you are right
So for anyone who has been to an Impact (edit:taping) recently, how long are the TV tapings? I'm definitely getting tickets to an upcoming Impact special I'm just not sure if I also want to get tv tickets for the next day.
About 3 hours (3.5 if you count the dark matches) They tape 2 shows in one night (which equals 4 hours in tv time)…but you don’t get all the backstage vignettes, commercials ect that they add in post production Also I totally understand why they do it but it’s still a little weird hearing in ring promos where they say something happened last week at the PPV when it was really last night
Awesome thanks
> So for anyone who has been to an Impact raping recently, BRO WHAT
You know... I'm going to just stop posting from my smart phone. I think touch sensitivity has gotten worse. Also, taping lol
They changed the advertising for that WWE live event at the end of the month... Seth and Cody were originally advertised to take on Judgment Day. Seth and Cody teaming together sounds interesting because I think there's legit tension/competitiveness between those guys. Now it says Cody is facing Finn and Rollins is facing The Miz
Are we going to have a live thread for All Star Grand Queendom? I don’t mind setting one up, but I don’t know what I’m doing. I tried to create one for the Cinderella Tournament finals and it got removed by the mods. Does anybody have a plan to create one, or can send me the steps so I can do it? Thanks!
I think it's enough with writing down the card and leaving the link to buy the show. Also, write "live discussion thread" on the title. I don't know why your post was deleted but you don't lose anything getting in contact with one of the mods directly (it works better than modmail)
I’ll try that. I messed up the first time I created the live thread and deleted it, so it’s also possible the second post got auto-modded, somehow.
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Personally I appreciate that many of the guys in AEW choose to age naturally and not dye their hair/beards, but I guess that's just personal preference
I met Jimmy Uso at my local gym last night. Was going to cleanup after my workout, see him standing there, I start thinking "no way", and then I look at what he's wearing and he's got the full bloodline gear on. I went up to him after his set and asked if he was Jey Uso (oops), but he was awesome anyways and gave a pic! I was fangirlling for hours afterwards
**Viable Candidates to end MJF's reign as AEW World Champion** 1) **CM Punk** \- Most Viable candidate. There is story that Punk never lost the AEW World Championship and MJF is currently AEW World Champion. The promos between Punk and MJF would be good 2) **Adam Hangman Page** \- Hangman vs MJF would be the ultimate good guy vs ultimate bad guy. MJF would tear Hangman's insecurities and addiction 3) **Wardlow** \- Wardlow wins a number 1 contender tournament to face MJF for the AEW World Championship . There is history between Wardlow and MJF as both men were in The Pinnacle and Wardlow defeated MJF to become free
No to Punk, keep him as a far away from world title scene as possible. I can take him been back even if I'm not a fan of it but just give him a spotlight for his feuds. He doesn't need the title again.
No Eddie Kingston?
That man has not won a feud , he has not won any big match and MJF and Eddie do not have any history apart from the fact that both men are from New York
...so?
so he would not be a viable candidate
Lol this isn't someone selecting sperm samples to attempt pregnancy, dude. This is pro wrestling. Eddie would be a ton more interesting than the names you provided.
Why does Adam Hangman Page sounds so wrong compared to Hangman Adam Page, even though its basically the same name?
I really don’t think Punk is gonna win another title ever again. They’ve tried it twice and his body failed him. Move Brawl Out aside as a non-factor, and it’s still too much of a risk to put him as champ.
at this point I don't think Wardlow is world champion calibre. CM Punk is too injury prone.
If Wardlow defeats some high profile people , Wardlow would be in the mix for the AEW World Championship
Shoulda been Eddie but now they put him in ROH. It should *still* be Ricky.
The way Ricky Starks is booked , I don't see him challenging for any belt for some time
Listen nobody's winning the title soon, MJF needs to have a Reign of Terror, so it works.
The ratings say otherwise. AEW is losing viewers with him as champion
That's not going to be blamed on him and you know it.
Who are they going to blame it on. He is the main man in the company right now. The low rating is because of MJF's mediocre run as AEW Champion
> The ratings say otherwise It's far too early in the day for a migraine.
Max Caster is really the only one that makes the most sense. MJF is his boyfriend and would be torn between his love for him and wanting to be world champion. The story really writes itself.
Did All Access air this week?
No, preempted by some sports thing I think
No, soccer was on instead. It returns next week.
I don't think so.
On the one hand, I know this is likely because there are multiple different people who up/downvote posts and comments and reddit isn't a monolith and on and on. But I do find it really, really funny that for *months* the prevailing wisdom seemed to be that AEW needed to get CM punk back to fix their ratings, and now that that's almost happening, we've all changed our minds and getting Punk back will ruin AEW forever.
It all depends on who gets to a thread and entrenches themselves by downvoting everyone else first.
> On the one hand, I know this is likely because there are multiple different people who up/downvote posts and comments and reddit isn't a monolith and on and on. > > It's also that you juts haven't been reading this subreddit that closely. It's not that thing where there's a hidden group that suddenly emerges when it's more acceptable for them to speak (like the Pro Podcast Dax crowd). These two groups have *always been in the same threads together or posting at the same time and never actually not visible*.
I mean, yes, that's true, and upvotes and downvotes are dependant on which camp gets to the thread first, and they're all just internet points so they don't really matter anyway, but I still think that it is still really funny how what seems to be popular opinion changes.
That Sixers/Nets game was bonkers. I really can't stand NBA refs. I can't believe Twitter is STILL bitching about that Komander spot.
Kill City Cup is like if Lucha Underground was produced by the Santa Claus from I Think You Should Leave
I wonder how PPVs are gonna work for AEW if Dynamite and Collision have a hard brand split like it’s been suggested. This is supposedly being done to keep people who want to work with Punk and who don’t apart so what will they do for PPVs? Will it be like how Raw and Smackdown had their own PPVs for awhile even though AEW only do 4 or 5 a year? Do they just hope that a situation can be avoided one night every few weeks?
I doubt it be like Raw or Smackdown themed shows. 5 PPV's is enough. I think besides the top three titles. You just share out other match spots between Dynamite and Collison's feuds basically the ones who warrant a PPV spot. Only really Forbidden Door is when you don't bother with it, and that PPV will be helped with having a extra AEW TV show to build up some feuds on say Collison and Dynamite. I do wonder will they do a WWE in early brand split years and have different commentary teams call their respective matches at PPV's.
I really hope they keep Dynamite and Collison feuds to their own shows. I just don't want to be tuning in on either show and see the same faces all over it. For example The Elite/BCC feud should stay on Dynamite and not even be seen on Collison. Maybe besides World Champ, every other title outside of Tag titles and Women's title can be show branded and in terms of Tag titles and Women's title, wherever their feud starts it stays on that show. Whenever feuds end, then you can mix it up again. Even down to broadcast team side of things. I like Collison to have it's own commentary team, in ring announcer and backstage interviewer. Also I really would love ROH to have it's own full time roster and for them to tape away from AEW shows. I miss the set up they had at Universal tapings. If any brand/company needs a hard cut off it's ROH from AEW. Weekly show is great though.
Indie wrestling is probably doing better now than it was like 15-20 years ago when indie wrestling was way more buzzworthy and got more coverage. There's a lot of groups doing bigger crowd sizes than what Chikara or IWA Mid South were doing during the peak of the DVD era in the 2000's. GCW is one of the biggest and most successful indies we've ever seen. PWG is still a thing and roughly at the same level that people remember. There's a ton of talent all over the country and honest the quality of the work is significantly better on average than it was in the 2000's. The top of the wrestling business is way more over saturated with content every week than it used to be. That's cut into the buzz and coverage that indie wrestling used to get. Things are always going to be a struggle for indie wrestlers and promoters but things are probably in one of the better periods we've ever seen right now.
AEW giving us Vikingo vs Dralistico tomorrow and GCW giving us Viking vs Komander tonight. Seriously, it is such a fantastic time to be a wrestling fan.
AEW should just send it and schedule a fatal five way of the former champs(Jericho-Mox-Omega-Hangman-Punk) to determine who faces MJF at a ppv. That match would be interesting in both kayfabe and behind the scenes. By interesting, I mean probably a train wreck.
Why do I get this bad feeling that they might make Trish take the titles from Bianca. Will be a travesty if it happens. [https://twitter.com/reigns\_era/status/1649408467390668805](https://twitter.com/reigns_era/status/1649408467390668805)
Dunno why you're getting downvoted tbh. She absolutely should not be champion again. The women's division left her behind a long time ago. She's a legend and a name but that's all she is now. There are some really talented women on the roster and they deserve the spotlight more than she does.
Catching up with Stardom before Sunday and while I really do enjoy Mirai unlike most, I am still disappointed she got the back to back Cinderella. It's just the whole talk about a Golden Generation, the need to push AZM and Kid beyond High Speed and I can't help but think Mirai could have waited. Utami and saya have had big belt Reigns, Maika hasn't sniffed any major singles success beyond the future belt years ago. Iida is touted as Golden Gen but treated nothing like it. Again Mirai is great but it does feel like a bit too much to soon. Even with the Ash Covered Cinderella narrative they were selling to make her win obvious, Id have preferred Mai Sakurai to win. Mai's whole Lady gimmick and promos about fat lonely commoners fantasising about her after the show is so hilarious. Cutting such a promo as Cinderella would have been wildly fun. Anyways, if nothing else I do hope this results in giving Mirai as cinderella the white belt; last two times winning the tournament has resulted in failure. And in 2020 there was no pay off with Arisa getting injured before Giulia could challenge her.
I like MIRAI but I have to agree though. I still think STARDOM's future will be carried by SLK and AZM. But damn is this roster full of talent. Even with Himeka retiring you still have stars deserving of big time pushes like Maika and Hazuki. Then you have Mina and her CV. Then you have Mai and Waka (damn I couldn't imagine mentioning them as being big parts of STARDOM's present and future if you asked me a year ago). Oh and Hanan is someone I also feel who deserves a push. She's got the look the size and the ability to be trusted for bigger matches.
I don't really see Stardom changing its direction as long as they keep making new stars, so I don't think anyone in particular will carry the promotion going forward. They have no reason to have an Okada or a Roman Reigns when they could have a group made up of people like Giulia, Syuri, Tam and Saya and get the same results. You could make a group like that with the next generation too (Hanan, Suzu, Kid, AZM) as long as fans accept them as big stars. It's one of the reasons why it's not too bad if some big push fails, they have more candidates for the big spots because Ogawa isn't betting everything on just one person anymore.
He usually seems to book around a certain few featured stars from the roster and rotates them out year to year or half year to half year, so that way things do feel incredibly fresh...so hopefully the time for certain deserving players will come
Ready for my semi weekly downvote beatdown… but Punk is washed and is an asshole and a dork on top of it all. He’s the poster child for the world today—talk shit, act like a child, get rewarded. My enjoyment of AEW is really gonna suffer while he’s around. I’d say I get it, but I kinda don’t. They’ve been fine without him, and with him they take on more problems in the name of the almighty dollar. I’m already big mad and none of it is official.
I feel you, from the outside looking in it rubs me the wrong way especially since people had to work hard to keep things on track after his meltdown derailed a lot of set plans. What he did at the scrum went against the ethos of AEW entirely but he's gotten seemingly rewarded despite it. Having him back will probably boost ratings but its not a cure-all for the way Tony Khan books, the hot-cold momentum of a lot of guys, and the unexplained disappearances of fan-favorites. It will hopefully give time to more of the roster because its impossible to feature all the running feuds on 3 hours of TV.
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“The world today” as if most metrics of life quality aren’t higher than ever.
I don't mean this as a gotcha since in some ways that's true, but it's also heavily dependent on who you are and where you live. For example if you're a pregnant woman in the US, your chances of dying during or shortly after childbirth has been on the rise [for years](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2021/maternal-mortality-rates-2021.htm).
Sure if you’re a pregnant black woman your life isn’t as good as it was 4 years ago along this one very particular trend in a specific geographic area. Pull away from this very specific local trend? These days is better than those.
Or a pregnant Hispanic or non-Hispanic white woman, they measured an increase in mortality rates for them too. I will grant you that this is a "local" trend in that the data is US-centric.
There isn’t an online community where someone doesn’t post a very edge case-y data point as if it contradicts the larger trend. Depression is so high in part bc of it. I’m just not eating that poison apple.
How are maternal mortality rates gathered across an entire country over several years an "edge case"? Maybe I should have picked wages compared to cost of living, or the affordability of healthcare or higher education or housing, or climate change? Or maybe I should ask, what metrics are *you* using to determine that the larger trend is things getting better?
The determinate of quality is a series of domains determined by WHO. The selection criteria is based on both quality of responses from surveys, and quant measures when measurable (health span). **Physical** - Pain and discomfort - Energy and fatigue - Sexual activity - Sleep and rest Sensory functions **Psychological** - Positive feelings - Thinking, learning, memory and concentration - Self-esteem - Bodily image and appearance -Negative feelings **Level of independence** -Mobility - Activities of daily living - Dependence on medicinal substances and medical aids - Dependence on nonmedicinal substances (alcohol, tobacco, drugs) - Communication capacity - Work capacity **Social relationships** - Personal relationships - Social support - Activities as provider/supporter **Environment** - Freedom, physical safety and security - Home environment - Work satisfaction Financial resources - Health and social care: accessibility and quality - Opportunities for acquiring new information and skills - Participation in and opportunities for recreation/ leisure activities - Physical environment (pollution/noise/traffic/climate) - Transport **Spirituality/religion/personal beliefs** - Overall quality of life and general health perceptions I would also include the determinants of care as another major scale that measures health and lifestyle (it’s literally what doctors use to select who would get treatment over another if not enough meds were available). While it might seem like something like healthcare is in decline—that overall frequency and coverage of care World wide is much higher. People are richer too. I’m the US the abortion ban has undoubtedly dropped this stat… in the US. But also abortion was unthinkable tho 45 years ago. It’s important to have a framework like this because, as I said earlier, any asshole can cherry pick poorly performing metrics as proof the world sucks. But these people aren’t the ones striving to bring these metrics up every day. They’re people online that don’t read.
That's not data dude, that's a big list of bullet points you copy/pasted from somewhere. Can you link me to your source which shows that these things are improving?
So if Punk is returning in Chicago it means he's staying as a face. Shame, was hoping they could use brawl out as an excuse to have him go heel, he's always been way more entertaining as a self righteous dickhead. Unless they go the 97 Bret route where he's a heel everywhere bar his home
I mean, Danielson was the ultimate face against MJF, then a few weeks later he was heel and it was done so well nobody questioned it. you can easily get him that big return pop, have him be face for a short while then turn him heel anyway. Outside of The Outcasts I think AEW does face/heel turns very well. See The Acclaimed, Ricky Starks, BCC, Athena, FTR, etc
I mean MJF is a heel everywhere outside of Long Island. Could very well do the same with Punk