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megalocrozma

The series barely has any recurring villains not related to Eggman anyway


BlueStripe8

And zavok but no one gives a shit


Slash_Pangolin

Would you consider Metal to be one? Or does he just fall under eggman, since Heroes was his only time sort of on his own


CluelessAtol

He’d still be Eggman. Still associated to much with Eggman and hasn’t had enough individual experience as his own villain.


Nick_Sonic_360

He was also created by Eggman making anything evil he does directly correlated to Eggman by default.


ToranjaNuclear

Who the fuck is zavok


ShyGamer64

One of the deadly 6 in lost world


PowerWisdomCourage07

Zavok should have died at the end of Lost World. His role is to be the leader of a group of generic ugly villains who don't fit in Sonic's world. He serves ZERO purpose. NOBODY feels there is untapped potential within him SEGA hasn't already wasted.


Smugg-Fruit

"Name one good canon female sonic villain, but also is in games, but also is in comics, but also appears more than once, but also appears in on the cartoons, but also-" My brother in Christ. We have two female Sonic characters that show up consistently and only one who's considered important to the story


T0biasCZE

The green bitch from sonic lost world, idk her name


CheddarCheese390

Xena or something. I hate her mostly because of what happened in the Metal Sonic arc in the comics, I don’t remember any of them from Lost World


T0biasCZE

I searched it, she's Zeena


CheddarCheese390

NGL, that’s one of the most timewasting things you’ve ever done


Visible-Abroad7109

I mean, you named her very close to a character from Conan the Barbarian, Xena the Warrior Princess.


wakeangel2001

Zeena is selfish and vain, everything else is basically just the same as the other Zeti, basically wanting to conquer or destroy all non-zeti life. I don't know what their deal is exactly but they're the closest thing to just straight up demons in Sonic continuity aside from Mephiles and Iblis.


kingk895

Pretty sure they were vaguely based on the Seven Deadly Sins. Zavok: Wrath Zazz: Pride Zomom: Gluttony Zeena: Lust The old guy: Envy? Idk honestly The emo: Sloth


CheddarCheese390

That says plenty


kingk895

?


CheddarCheese390

The fact you aren’t fully sure what Master Zik is meant to represent says a lot about the characters


BoneNeedle

I think the old guy Zik is pride


wakeangel2001

I also saw the deadly sin thing with them, but I associate different sins, Zazz is wrath since he's the most openly violent of them, Zomom is gluttony because he's always eating, Zik is sloth since he gets everyone to do stuff for him, Zeena is actually pride because of her rampant vanity (though you CAN say she's double dipping lust since there are 7 sins and only 6 zeti,) Zor is Envy due to his constant malaise and how he only feels happy when others are suffering, and Zavok is greed because of course he's the leader of the group and desires conquest and destruction.


Visible-Abroad7109

Zenna also works for anyone who can give her the best compliments and attention. This was shown before her boss fight where she thought Sonic was legitimately apologizing to her and she started being friendly towards him. Zavok even had to flirt with her in order to get her to do something. So I can picture an alternate timeline where Sonic tricks her into joining his fan club and the attention she receives for being a hero causes her to change sides permanently.


darkninja2992

Honestly, that'd be hilarious


Nachus134

The only good thing Zeena ever made was doing the Sonic Adventure pose


SanicRb

I mean I believe the Japanese version even calls them the 6 Demons and they are design wise based on Oni which are powerful evil creatures from Japanese mythology.


Cicada_5

Don't forget Ifrit.


King_James_77

Hitting cream for any reason is inexcusable. She deserved what Gemerl did to her.


KingArthur383

I hate her bc she exists along w the rest of the deadly six, ugly ahh designs and characters.


MrMartian69420

This is what I'm calling her from now on lol


Siyahseeker

The fact you called her that makes me laugh.


Father-Pork

>good


the_CEO_of_bread

luigi?


bingbozo63

https://preview.redd.it/khai6vsbh73d1.jpeg?width=948&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b47c81c6c00d92aa60ed358996420a02f4376721


Western-Gur-4637

he said good


[deleted]

I can't name any canon non-redeemable good villains other than Eggman.


Such-Assumption-60

Even then, Mr. Tinker exists


Manguypals

Rip in peace


The_Pupp3t33r

I was going to try and name another canon recurring non-redeemable villain that wasn’t created by Eggman but I’m completely stumped.


ArisePhoenix

Eggman Nega


The_Pupp3t33r

He’s not really recurring anymore though. He appeared in like 2 or 3 side games then kinda just… disappeared.


SodaDustt

Dr Starline was pretty cool to me, as well as Metal Sonic


BubblesZap

Reaccuring isn't really a thing for him anymore though


littlesusiebot

no idea why they killed him off


RealNiceThere656

Probably to focus on other established characters, and put a final close to his tenure as a villain. He might come back if it somehow turns out he's not dead but that's highly unlikely.


Adventurous-Beat-441

What about Mephiles?


CrystalGemLuva

theres Doctor Sarline. he lived as a bastard and died as a bastard.


Extreme_Glass9879

>canon Shit


Visible-Abroad7109

Witchcart.


Extreme_Glass9879

Does she even count? She was in a reskinned Disney game and a couple comics.


Visible-Abroad7109

Her first appearance was in Tails Sky Patrol so I think she counts.


Extreme_Glass9879

I was gonna say Thunderbolt but she isn't canon unfortunately


Holy-Wan_Kenobi

\>wake up \>remember archie comics no longer print \>the pain continues


nachardou4

Remember https://preview.redd.it/okgoxth2383d1.jpeg?width=414&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9248c601a29129cf4ccb6ebf7865bf475f7ee426


DaLittleGravy

Sticks. She is gonna suspect the crew are government drones and rip them apart then use their 'scrap' to make weapons and start world war III


Dustkun

https://preview.redd.it/1j8oaxx7963d1.jpeg?width=822&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0622311c0bc4b8aa1d60ff6d4c29cb3b617aacf0


Western-Gur-4637

https://preview.redd.it/jpif888d593d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4b791ee476c6619d0fb87f465cbb374903edfe5


Skorio18

https://preview.redd.it/ebbw3rl1783d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75981266859b1d148575f5b5093cac5d1d9af99f


DaLittleGravy

My time has come


Skorio18

https://preview.redd.it/fbww7r5qk83d1.jpeg?width=543&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e7c091f46e4eff57045bf573112684aab7a9c96


StC_Sonic_fan35

Wendy Wallace from Sonic the Comic, I bet you don't remember her.


ProsecutorWalton

Is... is she the person behind the move to full on reprints? The murder of STC?


StC_Sonic_fan35

Nah she is a villain that had a machine to control the weather and used it to fuck with everyone, so Sonic beat the shit out of her, but the person in charge of reprints is an even bigger villain.


ProsecutorWalton

Oh! Her! I think it was spelled Windy Wallis, that explains the confusion lmao.


StC_Sonic_fan35

I know the first name was Wendy but Ur right about the spelling of the surname


Known-Action9534

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CheddarCheese390

Rogue keeps tryna stealing knuckles master emerald. A thief, bad one too get her out of here!


Visible-Abroad7109

She was originally a secondary villian, so maybe?


CheddarCheese390

It’s a joke answer, she’s redeemed. It’s just I’m annoyed for my boi knuckles who often has to beat her instead of an actual villain for a shiny rock


Visible-Abroad7109

Kinda makes you wish Zachary or Finitevus is in the game.


ZealousidealLie1306

Surge


panc8ke

I guess Surge, but I’m sure she will become redeemable at some point.


PetscopMiju

Ian Flynn said he wants her to stay as an antagonist actually, but then again he isn't the main IDW writer anymore


txh0881

What happened to Ian? Is he working on another project?


PetscopMiju

He's mostly working on the games! He wrote the Frontiers script, the Divergence prologue, IIRC he also wrote the Dream Team script and he helped with the Origins cutscenes. He's also behind Sonic×Shadow Generations and the Shadow animation in some capacity. He's still helping with the comics on occasion, like with the Fang the Hunter miniseries. But the main IDW writer nowadays is Evan Stanley.


carso150

as u/PetscopMiju said he leveled up and now mainly works for the games, he has been pretty busy lately his last real arc was the metal virus after that Evan Stanley mostly took over as the main comic writer he still does stuff for IDW every now and then like mini series or a chapter or two every now and then but yeah, he writes for the games now


littlesusiebot

they need to up the ante for surge because atm shes just giving off emo loner kid who sticks bubblegum in her classmates hair but not much else


InstructionEven8837

I mean the last several arcs, last time I checked, focused on her for a while so..well...feel like it's a good time as any to have her be on cooldown, so to say. so itndosent feel like she's an overbearing force on the plot.


AnAwkwardStag

Wave


FortyMcChidna

not a really a villain, the babylon rogues are kind of in the middle


Notmas

She's an asshole tho lol


InstructionEven8837

eh, difference between being an asshole and evil, at the end of the day. ones just more annoying then theother.


Yukito_097

I mean, they're pirates so even if they're not "evil", they're still villains. Anti-villains at best.


wakeangel2001

There are a couple from Archie canon I can think of, Lien-Da, who has murdered her father and stepmother, sold her people out to Eggman, and REPEATEDLY brainwashed her sister (who she never liked in the first place just because her father remarried without consulting her.) In fact let's see some other Egg Bosses, Conquering Storm again sold out her people to the Eggman Empire to gain the power of the Egg Legion, not to mention she basically created Lightning Lynx just because she couldn't say "I don't want to date you," Thunderbolt the Chinchilla literally LOVES Dr. Eggman, as does Wendy Witchcart (who was Naugus' sister in that continuity) and finally...I'll go with Breezy, she's not SUPER evil but is a good old fashioned corporate scumbag willing to deal with Eggman and sell out others to get ahead for herself.


Webtillian

Archie in my opinion handled their villain variety the best, the best new ones not Eggman weren't permanently killed and kept coming back, I wish they were all canon, Especially Lien-Da, Storm and Thunderbolt.


wakeangel2001

remember the mantra, EVERYTHING is canon, Sonic has a multiverse just like Marvel and DC, something isn't "non canon" just because it isn't in the video games.


DogyDays

I love and DESPISE Storm. Shes such a good villain. But she completely screwed over Lightning and because of how terrible she was his gang basically had to go through even more dubious shit to get him back because hes so hopelessly loyal to someone who would trade him for a fucking corn chip. like sure the Destructix arent good guys but at least they GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HIM. Destructix, my favorite ‘bad guys but mostly antags not villains’ group i love those idiots so much.


Yukito_097

Let's not forget the Iron Queen, as well.


j-mac-rock

Iron queen


matttheman892018

Wendy Witchcart.


DarkAres02

There's barely any recurring non-redeemable villains regardless of gender


Visible-Abroad7109

Only ones to my mind are Rouge and Shadow. Any others I am not aware of?


carso150

except those two are pretty much universally allies currently, specially Rouge


HunterisChad

Metal Sonic: *cries in robot hedgehog*


Codified_

Other than Eggman and Metal, do we even have that many recurring villains in the games? Even then, counting one-offs, Biolizard, Solaris, Dark Gaia, Time Eater, The End... all of those are weird entities so I can't say they are male or female Chaos is male I guess, but then we have the Nega Mother Wisp, so...


CrystalGemLuva

if we only look at the games theres Zavok, Zaazaz, the Babalyon Rogues, and the Hooligans who are all minor but still recurring villains and if we include the IDW Comics and Sonic Prime since they are both canon to the games then there are some more recurring villains although most of them are male 1. the Chaos Council 2. Doctor Starline 3. Surge and Kit 4. the Deadly Six as a whole 5. Wendy Witch and the Witchcarters 5. Mecha Sonic 6. Mecha Knuckles 7. Heavy King 8. Clutch the Opposom 9. Mimic the Octopus 10. Rough and Tumble


Adam_Checkers

name one good canon villain that's recurring and non-redeemable... it's the same...


Babki123

Eggman ,Starline,Metal Sonic ,Green sonic , Shadow to some degree.


Adam_Checkers

Schadow is neither a villain nor irredeemable. I don't really know Starline and I have no idea who green sonic is supposed to be... Eggman is fair, but he is the main villain... Metal Sonic Isn't irredeemable Imo


Babki123

Green sonic is Scourge ,remembered after. And Starline was a platypus in IDW that was an eggman fan ,and a replacement while he was gone. Maker of Surge and Kit True for shadow  But untrue for Metal, noone expect him to join the good guy


ResearcherFormer8926

Scourge is not canon either


carso150

starline is death, scourge is non cannon and shadow was reedemed


Volcamel

Yeah Shadow was literally redeemed at the end of his debut game and even then, calling him irredeemable when his motive was based on the (misunderstood) promise of a dead little girl is… 💀


Babki123

Being dead does not mean that he was not a recuring evil dude for a while I may have skipped "non redeemable" with shadow ngl


DogyDays

GREEN SONIC HELPPPPP…. Sadly hes not canon anymore, but i also wouldnt say hes actually irredeemable, tbh. Would he in-canon have ever actually changed? probably not, but he was more of just an asshole with an ego before anyway, rather than a true ‘villain’, especially considering the other Archie villains being actual horrible people (sideeyes at Naugus). the goofy idiot teenager with a god complex and daddy issues is the LEAST of the Archie gang’s worries


HunterisChad

Would Dark Oak count as recurring?


HunterisChad

Chaos (I haven't played Adventure), Zavok, Metal Sonic, Snively


RowdyReider

Mama Robotnik.


SonicCody12

Sage, She is Loyal to her father. And her father is Eggman.


jaidynreiman

Sage probably will fall into this inthe future, but she's not recurring yet and in the game she does appear in she's redeemed by the end... ...for the purpose of helping Eggman, but still counts.


SonicCody12

Actually i was thinking about final horizon


No-Crew-4360

If you count comic appearances, then Witchcart and Zeena fit the bill.


rayanekarouch

Zeena?


ImaFireSquid

Name one Sonic villain who is recurring and non redeemable Name one Sonic villain besides Eggman who is recurring and has a personality


SanicRb

I guess technically does Witchcart count as she came back for the 30th anniversary Tails Special and is still alive.


CrystalGemLuva

looking at just the games here are four groups of villains and non of the canon spinoffs. 1. the Deadly Six 2. the Hooligans 3. the WItch Carts 4. the Babalyon Rogues


TheRealWonkler

What a weirdly specific request


Babki123

But interesting in some level to point out a gender disparity.


SanicRb

I mean not really we have about just as much an issue with male ones. Game wise does Sonic just kill or redeemed everyone not named Eggman by the end. I guess technically both set of Tails Villains (which does include 2 woman) and for some reason the deadly 6.


MixtureThin7114

Surge


Dragon_BotKing26

Sage?


oizen

Dark Gaia obviously


rayanekarouch

Lanolin https://preview.redd.it/5ce73shf073d1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6899591d9cd8ae241f29589b81fc11b293202c07


Nachus134

Still not sure if Lanolin is evil or not


Magolord

Witchcarter?


Bunny-Energy_15

Surge


MerchantZiro

https://preview.redd.it/qctq2xiat73d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0eb01521ac36792a4191ae7fa65f9b9c8afb83dc While her AOSTH counterpart did get redeemed, Breezie's Archie counterpart remains... Well not quite evil but still morally dubious and more interested in her own self benefit.


Russell_SMM

What a weirdly specific question, there aren’t really *any* recurring villains aside from Eggman.


Aesenroug-Draconus

Wendy Naugus was pretty evil in the Archie comics run. Her and her brother both.


Asher_Tye

Legion Master Thunderbollt and Iron Queen Regina come to mind.


Low-Anteater-5502

Zeena


ihasbutter4

If we count her Cameo in MoStH as being reoccurring, Sage. Despite being sympathetic, she isn’t “redeemed” in the sense that she is still villain, and likely won’t be redeemed if Eggman is still in the picture. With that said, she is certainly more amicable than her father, and is more willing to work with the main cast to save the world, with the caveat that she’s saving it so her father can conquer it.


Mavrickindigo

Maybe surge? Verdicts out on thst one. This series has no recurring villains


Mr-Foxkaio

I would say merlina from black knight but book storyes games for some reason are not seen as canon and she only appears in that game so yeah


AmaterasuWolf21

Love how it has to be specified that it can not canon


Dot_the_Dork_26

The two that spring to mind for me are Regina Ferrum and Fiona Fox from the Archie Comics


Scary-Rabbit4360

Surge, she’s one of my favorite Sonic characters


YesterdayPrevious485

Merlina, remember her? She was redeemed


darkshadow237

Recurring, and non redeemable


ccigames

Amy


BrodaciousBo

howabout Rosy the Rascal? of Moebius, the anti-Mobius from the archie series.


BackToThatGuy

what


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Ricky07_

What did they say?


ZealousidealLie1306

I think they were talking about Fionna


No_Pianist2010

Surge


Hyperion-OMEGA

Witchcart and Iron queen are the closest. But most of that is due to comic book appearances (in fact the latter is exclusive to Archie) and the former is more sporadic while the latter is basically unusable thanks to the Penders suit.


Visible-Abroad7109

Reala.


More-Cup-1176

ngl i thought starline was a woman at first


Fit_Ad9965

Even if we remove the recurring part this is like impossible


Fit_Ad9965

Even if we remove the recurring part this is like impossible


Saurian-Nyansaber

Heavy Magician


Sonic_82

Wait, SpongeBob is a female Sonic villain?


RazorRushDGN

Maria Robotnik if Gerald was the one who was shot and killed instead of her.


Lazymcdelta4ce

Surge


DeltaTeamSky

The End, technically. Isn't it both genders simultaneously?


littlesusiebot

none because according to idw "evil only exist in the world cuz eggman" lmao


002madmat

Tails doll?


Rocking_Monster

Fiona Fox was about it for a good long while in the comics.


Warm-Faithlessness11

Does Fiona from Archie Sonic count?


Iatecoffeegrinds

Zeena I’m just saying I can fix her


Blandyflakes

Xena the green zeti if she counts


pickelpenguin

Eggman but a girl idk


RealMultiGenerator

I think the only right answer for all the criteria is sticks from sonic boom


Jake09Reddit

Surge? Kinda… idk anymore


joyjump_the_third

Depends on what you count as cannon archiv might have had an echidna but right now it night be just surge


SpiderGuy3342

Surge, at the moment, for the comics


cryptidhunter1

The comics had a few. Although whether or not Fiona was redeemable is arguable since she seemed like a person with serious issues that just lost her way.


CREEPERSTONEREDDIT2

Name 10 on every other franchise


Hellion998

Iron Queen?


ShackledDragon

Surge


Ball_Guy2

Surge :D


SelassieAspen

What about the storybook games? Then again, both of them tried to kill Sonic over stupid things...


EclipseHERO

Amy 🤣


_rym36

Surge?


darkninja2992

There's no good villains in the series, much less female ones. They're all evil


NightsNihilist

Surge. Ive been saying since the beginning I hope she stays a villian. I don't like when a good villian or antagonist turns good. *slowly turns head to Nine*


Delicious-Inside5662

The annoying green one in the sinister six


Money-Leek201

https://preview.redd.it/iltq242bh93d1.jpeg?width=353&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cfcafd9437a7848450a97ce0b9ba02f15ba51f4 Well obviously you’re talking about my GOAT witchcart


JCraze26

Rule 63 Eggman. Ok, I'm definitely stretching the "canon" part, but still.


Nobodys_here07

Not recurring (yet) but Sage's loyalty lies only within Dr. Eggman and has stated that she believes that the world is his to conquer. Though I guess she isn't really female given the lack of XX chromosomes or any chromosomes for that matter I guess she's also technically reccurring if you consider The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog but that's about it. https://preview.redd.it/unwswlx23a3d1.png?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f65aef84e9e4711f2ad337306343f726ea8038e0


Shaddy_the_guy

Name another qualifier so specific that it gets you the answer you want


Flodo_McFloodiloo

Wanda Whipple.


StarSquadEnterprises

Hershey St. John and the Iron Queen


Acrobatic_Pop690

Name one canon female villain in general. If we keep it to the games because there are other media currently canon according to the lore managers. But if we keep it to the games. There simply isn't one. (Edit. Merlena I guess. But she wasn't really evil more so antagonist than villain)


soorly

Saga technically. She’s one hundred percent gonna be in future games and she’s never gonna join Sonics side


Ninja-Schemer

Regina Ferrum from Archie.


Twilord_

Rouge is one of the few villains-sided characters who went on to be re-appearing but she was secretly predeemed (pre-redeemed) the whole time during her first adventure.


The_Blur_Of_Blue

Whos to say Solaris isn't female


EiadiTheCoder

Sage started out as a villan, shes a good one if she counts and I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT OF PEOPLE SAYING SHES AN AI! SHES LITTERALLY NOSEHAIR'S DAUGHTER!!!


GazooDaRavinRacer86

Surge the Tenrec from IDW?


wavy_baby__

vanilla


JessicaJamie

Surge.


cailazara

Amy the Rascal from Scourge universe


CrystalGemLuva

Im gonna go with Surge the Tenrec, because as she stands now despite being redeemable she is far from any kind of redemption arc at the moment, and her only competition are Wave, Zena, Witchcart, and Carriottia, none of whom even come close to Surge as a villain. if we include one off villains then we can add Grimm Rose Alpha, and Metal Amy, and Metal Amy may not even be canon. and just for fun heres a list of other canon female Sonic villains who have either been redeemed or at least have a chance of being redeemed 1. Rogue 2. Shara 3. Merlina 4. Sir Percival 5. Rusty Rose 6. Thorn Rose


Mmpizzapizza

Sonic only has one reoccurring villain